Daniel’s 70th Week

There is a deception that weaves its way through our churches and the hearts of most followers of Christ. And, this deception is deadly, especially in these dark times. It grants permission for men and women to add to the Bible, man-made ideas. It distorts our view of Jesus Christ and our understanding of the Last Days. It plays a part in putting brothers and sisters in Christ, to sleep.

Even clear-thinking brothers and sisters have fallen prey to this deception. And, I find myself extremely annoyed, every time that I hear it. And, it’s high time that we stopped this foolishness.

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Daniel’s 70th Week

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There are few things worse than deliberately corrupting the Bible. And, the two scariest verses in the Bible should give you an idea of how serious Bible corruption is:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 – Revelation 22:18-19

Yes, I know that it is referring to the Book of Revelation, but it’s also a reflection of how God views the words that HE gave to YOU. If you insert YOUR words and change the meaning of what God said, you are in serious trouble. And, if you teach this to others…

…woe unto you!

This is especially true if what you teach, modifies the Book of Revelation. And, there are far too many false teachers that proclaim that Daniel’s 70th week occurs during the time of Revelation. And THAT will cause you to suffer, as Revelation 22:18 states.

You do NOT want that!

Worse, the sin of being a false teacher will do far more than just cause you to suffer in this life. It will have eternal consequences. I would not want to be in YOUR shoes, when you stand before God, after this life is over – assuming that you are a false teacher. You might not suffer the punishment of Hell, but you will suffer a great loss of reward.

Please understand that there is nothing, in any place in the Bible, that gives us permission to insert something that is not there. NOTHING. Yet, there are false teacher who insert a two thousand year gap between week 69 and week 70, in Daniel’s prophecy of the coming of the Messiah. Please understand that Daniel 9 is about the coming of the Messiah.

Why don’t people understand that?

The coming of the Messiah is the CONTEXT of Daniel 9. And, that thought alone should be enough to help people understand that inserting a ‘gap’ is wrong. And, I am appalled that people feel that they have permission to corrupt the Bible in this way. But, there’s far more than mere context involved here.

When you read the passage about Daniel’s 70 Weeks, it should be very clear that there is no gap. So, let’s do that.

The 70 Weeks

Here is the full passage:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 – Daniel 9:24-27

According to verse 24, during this seventy weeks, the following was going to happen:

  • finish the transgression
  • make an end of sins
  • make reconciliation for iniquity
  • bring in everlasting righteousness
  • seal up the vision and prophecy
  • anoint the most Holy.

And, when those 490 years (each week is seven days, each day is a year) were completed, all of the above would have happened, and did happen. All of it. And, it happened exactly as prophesied.

Is there anything in that list that applies to the Last Days?

NO!! NOTHING!

Jesus Fulfilled All Of That – Including The 70th Week

Transgression was finished. Sins were ended. Reconciliation was accomplished. Everlasting righteousness was brought in. Vision and prophecy were sealed up. And, the Most Holy in heaven was definitely anointed with the Blood of Jesus. To say otherwise, is to not understand what Jesus did on the cross, in the grave and in heaven when he rose and went to the temple in heaven.

To say otherwise is to deny what Jesus did, two thousand years ago.

Don’t people know that Satan has ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED?

Satan lost, when Christ died of our sins, rose from the grave and poured out his blood upon the alter in heaven. And, I am astounded that so few seem to understand that.

Yet, they persist in saying that verse 27 has not happened yet.

How can this be?

Well, I know the answer. False teachers have been tricked into believing lies that were written into books by corrupt writers. And, they wrote with such force and self-assurance, the people believed them.

Looking More Closely For That ‘Gap’

So, let’s look at verse 26 and 27 more closely, because THAT is where the two thousand year gap is. And, while we do that, remember the purpose of this prophecy that was laid out at the beginning of this passage.

So, here are verses 26 and 27, but this time I have added a little transliteration, from the original Hebrew:

VERSE 26 – And after sixty and two weeks will Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and a people of a prince that shall come and destroy the city and the holy place, and its end in the overflow, and to an end war is desolations determined.

VERSE 27 – And, a covenant shall be confirmed to many, for one week. And, [at] half of the week, there is a ceasing of sacrifice and offering. And, to the wing of abominations, devastation – until completeness and destruction is poured on [the] devastated.

 – Daniel 9:26-27, JLV (John Little Version)

Verse 25 speaks of a seven week period to build the city, and then – after 62 weeks – Messiah will be cut off. How much after? Well the clue is in verse 27, where He makes sacrifice and offering to cease. Of course, in the physical world, sacrifices and offerings continued, but they had as much significance as the offerings made to the demon in the temple that is just a few feet from where I write this, here in Tainan.

In the eyes of God, the sacrifices were over. Done. Finished. Of no value, whatsoever. But, verse 26 speaks about a prince. And, a people. And, the destruction of the city. And, remember that the focus is NOT on the temple, but on Jerusalem.

Who destroyed Jerusalem?

The Romans.

When?

AD 70.

Are we inserting extra time, here?

No, the Bible is making a side point. It is describing what will happen as a result of their rejection of Jesus. And, you will notice that the Jews chose the leader of an insurrection, over that of Jesus. That was a very prophetic choice, since it was the insurrection of the Jews that caused the fall of Jerusalem.

Yes, I know that God could have made this ‘side point’ at the end of this prophecy, but the consequences of the rejection of Messiah is a valid point. And, remember again the rule set out in verse 24. Verse 24 does not allow you to insert extra time. It described the time frame very concisely. It’s seventy weeks, and that’s it. There’s no, 69 weeks plus 2000 years plus one week.

No, it said 70 weeks.

But, what about the ‘abomination of desolation’ that Jesus spoke of?

Didn’t Daniel speak of abominations and desolations in Daniel 9?

Daniel 8 Is About The Antichrist

Yes, but not THE ‘abomination of desolation’ (singular). Here are the verses where Jesus speaks of this:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 – Matthew 24:15

But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 – Mark 13:14

Jesus was not talking about Daniel 9. If you need more of a clue, Jerusalem isn’t destroyed by the Antichrist in Revelation. But, Daniel speaks of Jerusalem being destroyed by a people of a prince in chapter 9. Furthermore, the prince himself doesn’t need to show up in Daniel 9. A PEOPLE of a prince are the ones who destroy Jerusalem.

So, where in Daniel, is Jesus referring to?

Well, it’s in chapter 8, BEFORE Daniel 9. And, this is the verse:

Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

 – Daniel 8:13

I know that it’s the ‘transgression of desolation’ and not ‘abomination of desolation’. But, that shouldn’t trip you up. We are talking about a verse that was translated from Hebrew to Greek and then to English. And, ‘transgression’ and ‘abomination’ are the same in the eyes of God. Every transgression is an abomination.

Also, Jesus makes it very clear that we can be tripped up by what He said. And, He lets us know this by including the phrase, “(let him that readeth understand,).” That should make you stop and think before jumping in with a two thousand year gap because you don’t understand what Jesus did on the Cross and in Heaven.

Again, it is Daniel 8 that talks about the Antichrist. Not Daniel 9. Furthermore, Daniel talks about how long the Antichrist will have control of Jerusalem in this verse:

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 – Daniel 8:14

Now, here’s where I have some trouble. That number of days – 2300 – is six years, one hundred and ten days, or 6.3 years. That doesn’t seem to fit anywhere, except that maybe – after Gog and Magog and the salvation of Israel – that MAYBE there is a period of time, in which a man rises up and takes power in Jerusalem. That man will eventually be the Antichrist, but he will have a couple of years to rise before he proclaims himself to be god. Then three and a half years of tribulation follow.

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note: But, as with anything like this, I’m giving you my own, limited view. If you have a better interpretation, please share it with us in the comment section. I’m always open to being proven wrong – assuming that you offer compelling evidence. So, be compelling, when you leave your comment.

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You can get more on how long the Tribulation is, here:

How Long is the Tribulation?
http://www.omegashock.com/2017/12/01/how-long-is-the-tribulation/

And no, the Tribulation is NOT seven years.

The bottom line is that Jesus was referring to Daniel 8 and NOT Daniel 9. Yes, Daniel 9 refers to abomination and desolations, but those words refer to more than one person! Daniel 8 – along with Matthew 24 and Mark 13 – is referring to a single, individual person. The one that we call the Antichrist. In fact, all of Daniel 8 is about the Antichrist.

The Antichrist Does Not Destroy Jerusalem But, Titus Did

Oh, and one other small, but important, point here:

All the prophesies about the Antichrist show him as keeping Jerusalem intact.

Daniel 9 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem – done by the army of Titus.

That’s enough to make you pause, just with that. The city of Jerusalem is still standing when the Antichrist rules. If nothing else, remember about the Two Witnesses that have their ministry in Jerusalem.

(Thank you, Nadine, for reminding me about Titus! – JL)

Again, Daniel 9 is about Messiah – Jesus. Daniel 8 and Daniel 9 are polar opposites. But, let’s get back to Daniel’s 70th week.

Daniel 9 Is About Redemption

Daniel 9 is about the building of Jerusalem, the coming of Messiah and then the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. It’s also about the yearning of Daniel for the sanctification of his people. I didn’t quote the first part of that chapter nine, but it is full of regret for his sins and the sins of the Jewish people. And, he was begging God to forgive them and bring them back – to redeem them. He was earnestly – with all his heart – seeking the Redeemer.

Well, God sends His angel to answer Daniel’s prayer. And, there’s nothing about the Antichrist in that answer. God had already talked to Daniel about the Antichrist. The focus of Daniel 9 was redemption.

So, let me repeat what the prophesy of Daniel’s 70 weeks was all about.

During this seventy weeks, the following was going to happen:

  • finish the transgression
  • make an end of sins
  • make reconciliation for iniquity
  • bring in everlasting righteousness
  • seal up the vision and prophecy
  • anoint the most Holy.

And, when those 490 years were completed, all of the above was going to happen, and did happen. All of it. And, it happened exactly as prophesied. Two thousand years ago. And, you can sum it all up in one word:

REDEMPTION

The Curse for Rebelling Against God

Daniel’s 70th week was fulfilled almost two thousand years ago. Inserting a 2000 year gap between week 69 and week 70 is wrong and a sin. And, if you preach this false teaching you are causing others to sin, as well.

True, a sin in ignorance is far less than a deliberate sin, but what I am saying here should make it clear to you that a 2000 year gap cannot exist, and claiming this gap is a sinful corruption of the Bible. So, since you are no longer ignorant, you are in direct rebellion against God, if you persist in claiming that Daniel’s 70th week is in the future.

Worse, you have effectively inserted your rebellion into the Book of Revelation. And, God speaks about this, here:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 – Revelation 22:18

That curse worries me greatly, since I see far too many of our brothers and sisters doing this. If you are a pretribber, this is what will happen to you. You will still go to heaven, when you die, but you will suffer greatly for your rebellion against God. And then you will stand before an angry God and answer for your rebellion.

Please stop this foolishness and accept the truth that has been so plainly described in the Bible.

 

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IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE…

Yup, more than just special, these links appear to be the most important of all. Seriously, start with these.

And yes, these are pretty serious.

Does Society Realize It Is Being Initiated? – YouTube

Did you know that 2018 was ‘The Year of the Witch’?

Have you seen the incredible amount of witchcraft that is now being taught in movies and on your television screen?

Have you seen how open the demonic arts have become?

I haven’t, because I don’t go to movies, and I don’t watch TV. I also do not live in America, so I don’t see what those of you in America see.

But, this video… It shows a level of spiritual depravity that is so bad, that I’m shocked at how far we have fallen. Have things changed so much in the nine years since Mrs. Little and I have been gone?

It’s as if something – or someone – has been pulled out of the way. Or, maybe it’s in the process of being pulled out of the way. I hope that this a long enough process for Christians to see it coming and prepare.

Unfortunately, far too many of our fellow Christians are under a strong delusion, and are asleep to what is coming.

A couple protesting in NYC in, circa 1940 – Album on Imgur

THIS is a picture that shows the blood on America’s hands. America refused to give refuge the the Jews that were being slaughtered by Hitler.

Exclusive: Green Berets Targeted After Email Exposed Lowered Standards

Most people do not really know why Alexander the Great was able to conquer the Middle East so quickly. Well, it’s very simple.

Alexander inherited a strong, motivated and well trained military from his father. And, when he came to power, he had been hearing of Persian soldiers being drunk and having poor commanders. The standards of the Persian military had slipped to such a low degree, that Alexander realized that they would be easy to conquer.

So, he did.

This article is a sign of how badly the US military is being managed. And, it’s the same kind of sign that Alexander the Great saw in the military of Persia. The morons in charge of the US military are destroying what esprit de corps is left.

This is an amazingly stupid situation, and makes me mad that the Pentagon would promote such imbeciles to general command. It’s as if they have chosen to destroy the US military, so that the next Alexander can rise to power.

But no, this is not a conspiracy. These morons have not chosen to destroy the US military. They’re just being evil and stupid. And, I despise evil. And, I despise stupidity.

America is lost. And, we did it to ourselves. Of course, as I told all of you last week, I cannot afford to be a patriot any longer. So, I need to stop being angry at this kind of horrifying idiocy.

But, how can you stop being angry at something like this?

I would dearly love permission from God to bash heads over this, but this is a part of the judgment of God. Because America has become evil, God made sure that the leaders of America would be stupid.

If you doubt me read your history and your Bible. It’s all there. And, we did it to ourselves.

Therefore, my anger at this is inappropriate.

 

I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this

A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.Proverbs 22:3

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45 thoughts on “Daniel’s 70th Week”

  1. Corbyn just lost his vote of no confidence in the government, so the conservative/DUP alliance is safe, for now….

    However, there are rumblings of another general election, referendum and everything in between.

    If an election is called, there is a good chance of a Corbyn government, which is scary!

    Now, this next bit is quite humorous. Not that I take much stock in it, but have a look at the Yves Dupont prophecy of the coming European Catholic monarch. One of his prophesied victories is an invasion of England ton free in from the yoke of communism! Made me laugh!

    • Can you imagine Corbyn as PM? It would be like the second coming of George Galloway. I wonder who would be worse. And, that Catholic Monarch… I guess that ANYTHING is possible in this insane world. But, um… that’s pretty out there. Thanks, Kyle! – JL

  2. I don’t know if you cop to the idea of animal sacrifices being performed or not, but if you do, then this position cannot be correct. Animal sacrifices would have to be performed at an anointed ‘holy place’ (Exodus 40:9). There isn’t currently a ‘holy place’ to perform these animal sacrifices.

    It takes 70 ‘7’s to anoint the ‘holy place’ that would be defiled with an abomination idol.

    The locusts of the 5th Trumpet are the same locusts of Joel 1:4-9 that cut off the meat & wine offering. Thus, at the beginning of the Trumpets, animal sacrifices have been stopped.

    The messiah that Daniel 9 is also speaking of is from John 5:43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.

    You mentioned that you accept a ‘transgression of desolation’ – but Daniel 9:24 also talks about this same ‘transgression’ (same Hebrew word ‘pesha’ H6588). It takes 70 ‘7’s to finish this ‘transgression of desolation’. Why say that Daniel 9 is entirely historical, when in fact, it is relevant to the future?

    For open minded readers, here is how I feel Revelation is laid out.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZSgN-vXfbL-mZSWnQx0f0kEtBABAISg6/view?usp=sharing

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvoraZ8b2fxblPrs0GWDYRWcs0ZJ5158/view?usp=sharing

    • Hi Dennis,

      I’m afraid that you’ve gone down a path that far too many have gone down.

      First of all, God made it very clear that He did not accept animal sacrifice as sufficient. And, the ONLY SUFFICIENT SACRIFICE was JESUS CHRIST!!!!!

      Sorry to shout like that, but false teachers have been diverting our attention AWAY from where it should be, on Jesus Christ.

      Second, this numerology is NOT a good thing. Yes, there is a pattern of numbers in the Bible, but we are ONLY allowed to use that pattern, in it proper context. This numerology is man-centered.

      Third, Joel is NOT talking about the Trumpets. And, if there are ANY animal sacrifices, these would NOT be done by a Godly people. Only those in direct rebellion against God would do animal sacrifices.

      Do you remember what the Bible says about WHO the FINAL sacrifice was?

      Animal sacrifice cannot and can never be acceptable to God, ever again. To claim this is to attempt to diminish the complete and final sacrifice made for all time, on the Cross. You must understand this, Dennis. And, if you refuse to accept this, then I worry about what will happen to you.

      Seriously. This isn’t about me.

      This is about truth, and where you will be, after this life is over. And no, I do not claim to know how much heresy that you can hold, before God rejects you. I never want to ever go anywhere close to that line. EVER.

      But, I do know that our reward in heaven will be tarnished by the sins that we commit, here on Earth.

      Please forsake this path, Dennis, and start to see that Jesus paid for our sins, once and for all.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  3. Wikipedia
    Titus (/ˈtaɪtəs/; Latin: Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus;[a] 30 December 39 – 13 September 81 AD) was Roman emperor from 79 to 81. A member of the Flavian dynasty, Titus succeeded his father Vespasian upon his death, thus becoming the first Roman emperor to come to the throne after his own biological father (end of statement)
    So Titus was a prince !
    Herodus the Great died around 4 BC so at that time Jesus was already born because Herod tried to kill the Messiah by killing all infants till the age of two
    When Herod the Great died the walls (it took ten years to build them)were already build around the Temple Mount and while the main part of the refurbished Temple was completed but still under construction So Daniel 9 tells us that within 7 weeks threescore and two weeks the wall and the streets of Jerusalem shall Bé build and after threescore and two weeks He Will be cut off
    The Temple was finished about 63 AD and destroyed between 66 and 70 AD
    The Cyrus Cilinder now Broken into several pieces where they wrote the Declaration under Cyrus the Great Which referees to Restorion of Temples and the repatration of exiled People They dated the Cilinder 539-538 BC
    539 BC minus 490 (70 weeks ) minus 60 threescore minus 14 (two weeks) gives 25 AD +/- so at that time Jesus was still alive and indeed He died AFTER the 70 weeks threescore and two weeks
    Did you Know that Caligula who succeeded imperor Tiberius ( who was emperor at the time of Jesus and his crucifixion) tried to place his owner statue inside the Temple but Herodes grandson was able to intervene ( He was Jewish) and convince Caligula to turn against that act (the abomination of desolation spoken off in Matthew 24:15 referring to Daniel) would already have happened but because of the secret thing Paul spoke that the gentiles would be added to the olivetree the true and wild olive branches and Jesus knew his People would not accept Him at that time and said He could not gather them as a mother chicken He cried and prophecied of the Temple Being destroyed it was not yet time to let the abomination of desolation be placed in the Temple

    • Thank you for reminding me about Titus, Nadine! I saw your comment but wasn’t able to get to it, but I did edit the article to mention Titus. And, you deserve credit for the reminder. Lord willing, we will see the Abomination, one day, but I hope to be OLD when we do. – JL

  4. I think we can insert 2,000 years because that is what Hosea did;

    15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
    Chapter 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
    2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Hosea 5:15-6:2

    All you have to do is read 2 Peter 3:8 and realize that his thousand-year-days are exactly the same days that Hosea is referring to;

    3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
    4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
    5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
    7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 peter 3:3-8

    Do the math.

    If you add up the years in the Old Testament, Jesus came at almost exactly the 4,000 year point. There is an error factor built-in because we are only told how old the men were when their son was born, but we are not told to the day, only to the year. So, in all the years there could be a few years error. This is by God’s design.

    Nevertheless, since Jesus came at about the 4,000 year point, (4 days) and He will return after 2 days (2,000 years) then he will rule for 1,000 years, it all adds up to 7.000 years! God has allotted one week for fleshly humanity!

    The last “day” is the day of the Lord, and it is 1,000 years!

    Do the only place the seventieth week fits is in the Tribulation period, at the end of the Church Age.

    And by the way Israel has not put away unrighteousness just yet, They will do that early in their affliction, during the Tribulation.

    • Hi Dan Knezacek,

      My human self, wishes that we could interpret the Bible like this. It would make all of this so much easier. We could pick and choose what we wish to believe, and what we wish not to. We could make up our own rules and expect God to follow them – something that many religions actually teach. But, we are not allowed to do any of that.

      We are required by God to interpret the Bible only in the way that God allows us to. No less and no more. And, the Bible lays down the rules for how we interpret the Bible.

      Daniel 9:24 lays out the rule for this prophecy. It’s 490 years. Not one year more. Not one year less. No additions are permitted in this verse. Yet, you say otherwise.

      How is it possible to insert an extra 2000 years into that verse?

      There is no verse in the Bible that tells us to do this. Certainly not Hosea.

      The verses that you quote do NOT impact Daniel 9:24. Not at all. If they did, they would specifically mention this.

      Now, it’s true that there are other prophecies in the Bible. And THEY speak of the Last Days. I have no argument with that. BUT, we aren’t talking about those prophecies. We are talking about Daniel 9:24, and the rest of the verses that speak about the events within this specific time frame.

      Dan, you MUST submit yourself to what the Bible actually says. It is vital that you do this, for your own safety.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  5. Hey John,
    The thing about prophecy is that we don’t know what we don’t know until we know it. There are a number of prophecies that have been fulfilled in a foreshadowing type of event only to be fully and finally fulfilled in a later event. Be careful in being dogmatic in regard to prophecy. Only the Father knows the end to all roads.
    Your brother in Christ,
    Ken

    • Hi Ken Seeger,

      This is true. And, I have made mistakes in the past, precisely because I went outside of the boundary lines.

      However, it is safe to be dogmatic about a lot that is in Daniel 9 – since the rules of interpretation are laid out with precision. Daniel 9:24 says that there will be 70 weeks. Period. We know that it isn’t 70 literal weeks. And, from our vantage point, we can surmise that it is 490 years.

      Not 2490 years. Just 490 years.

      THAT we can be dogmatic about. We can also be dogmatic about Messiah. And, I truly hope that you are, also. And, we know that the Romans DID destroy Jerusalem, and that the Antichrist will not.

      That’s a lot that we can be dogmatic about, Ken. And, I hope that we agree on this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  6. After reading what you wrote, I cannot tell whether you believe that the final week (7 years) of Daniel’s 70-weeks prophecy occurred in 30 AD, or in 70 AD. You asked for compelling evidence, so I will try to be as compelling as possible in explaining why I believe the 70th week did not occur in either 30 AD, or in 70 AD.

    [EDITED FOR CLARITY – TEXT TRANSFERRED BELOW – JL]

    In the English translation of the Septuagint, the last part of Daniel 9:26 says, “to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations.” I believe the time of “appointed desolations” for Jerusalem constitutes a “gap” between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel’s 70-weeks prophecy.

    The 70th week cannot begin until after the 69th week ends. The 69th week ended when the Messiah was crucified (cut off) in 30 AD. There is a 40-year “gap” in the prophecy between the Messiah being cut off in 30 AD, and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. After the destruction of Jerusalem, there is an appointed time of desolations for the city, which is also included in the prophecy. This appointed time of desolations will be fulfilled before the 70th week takes place. Following its destruction in 70 AD, Jerusalem was a desolate wasteland for nearly 2,000 years.

    One must allow for a 40-year “gap” in the prophecy, because the Destruction of Jerusalem (which is included in the prophecy) occurred 40 years after the Messiah was cut off (at the end of the 69th week). A 2,000-year “gap” is just as legitimate as a 40-year “gap.” (Isaiah 61:1-2, with Luke 4:17-21, is another great example of a 2,000 year “gap” in a prophecy.)

    Daniel 9:27 refers to the final week (7 years) of Daniel’s 70-weeks prophecy. This final week has not yet been fulfilled. The ministry of the Messiah could not have fulfilled half of the 70th week, before the 69th week was concluded. The crucifixion could not have taken place in the middle of the 70th week.

    It is clear from the prophecy that the crucifixion took place at the end of the 69th week, before the 70th week began. No part of the 70th week could have been fulfilled prior to the crucifixion, which marked the end of the 69th week. The Messiah spoke of a future abomination of desolation standing in the Holy place; which did not occur in 30 AD. The Holy place is the temple. The Temple was not desecrated in 30 AD.

    The abomination of desolation by Antiochus Epiphanes was a foreshadowing of the abomination of desolation that will be done by the antichrist. The abomination of desolation that will take place to fulfill the words of the Messiah will be similar to the abomination that occurred in 168 BC (whoever reads, let him understand). The only way for the abomination of desolation spoken of by both Daniel (Daniel 12:11) and by the Messiah (Matthew 24:15) to be fulfilled, is for it to be fulfilled after the Temple is rebuilt. The rebuilt Temple will be desecrated by the antichrist. He will sit in the Temple; he will probably offer a pig on the altar like Antiochus did; and he will declare himself to be “god,” just as Antiochus Epiphanes did. “Epiphanes” means “god manifest” in ancient Greek.

    The destruction of the Temple in 70 AD did not take place in the middle of the 70th week either. The abomination of desolation standing in the Holy place did not occur in 70 AD, when the Temple was destroyed and the Temple sacrifices were made to cease. The Temple was burned, then all the stones of the Temple were overturned by the Romans who were searching for the gold that had been melted in the fire. There was no abomination, such as a pig being sacrificed on the altar as there had been by Antiochus Epiphanes.

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    Daniel Chapter 8 was a prophecy describing what to expect leading up to the coming of the Messiah. The Medo-Persian Empire was to be followed by the Grecian empire. The first king of the Grecian Empire was Alexander the Great. (Daniel 8:8 & 8:21) When he died, his empire was divided by his 4 generals/4 horns. (Daniel 8:8 & 8:22) Out of these, grew a little horn (Antiochus Epiphanes). (Daniel 8:9-12 & 8:23-26) I understand that Daniel 8:19 says the “time of the end;” but this passage is referring to the end of the Grecian Empire and to the rise of the Roman Empire; not to the “end times.” The 2300 days was fulfilled during the time of the Maccabean revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes. (Daniel 8:13-14) It was apparently 2300 days from the time Antiochus desecrated the Temple by sacrificing a pig on the altar, until it was cleansed and rededicated. Although Antiochus Epiphanes was a foreshadowing of the antichrist, no part of Daniel Chapter 8 is directly referring to the antichrist. The Messiah was referring to Daniel 12:11 when he spoke of the future abomination of desolation. The abomination of Daniel 8:13 was already in the past during the ministry of the Messiah (whoever reads, let him understand).

    Daniel Chapter 8 is describing what to expect leading up to the coming of the Messiah; and it is a foreshadowing of the antichrist. After Alexander the Great died and his empire was divided among his 4 generals (also called 4 horns), and a little horn (Antiochus) came up among them. If this is a foreshadowing of the antichrist, how will it play out in the future? The Roman Empire, was divided in two but was never conquered. It was then was further divided over the years. This divided Roman Empire is represented by ten horns and ten toes (Daniel 2:32, 2:41-42, 7:7, 7:20; 7:24, Revelation 13:1, 17:3, 17:7, 17:16). The ten horns and ten toes are also called ten kings (Revelation 17:12). A little horn (the antichrist) will come up among the ten horns (ten kings). (Daniel 7:8) This is describing what to expect leading up to the return of the Messiah.

    • Hi Debra,

      I’m sorry to have had to rearrange your comment, but the core of your points was difficult for others to see, with those two paragraphs inserted where they were.

      The Septuagint has been proven to be a poor translation of the Bible. Even then, reading the English version of the Septuagint, is like reading a Chinese Bible that was translated from the King James Version. A translation of a translation is rarely a good thing.

      God communicated this prophecy to Daniel in Hebrew. We have that Hebrew available to us. And, we understand that Hebrew. Why should we look at the Septuagint?

      I do not see your logic in this.

      In your next point, I can only ask where you get permission to say, “The 70th week cannot begin until after the 69th week ends.” What part of Daniel 9:24 are you not seeing?

      The 70th week was completed, three and a half years after the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Period. It is a sin to distort what God has written. We do not have permission to say that the timeline stops, and then starts up again, later. The only way that we would be allowed to do this, is if another prophet from God – or, Jesus Himself – actually said this.

      And, we do NOT have that, ANYWHERE!

      And, I did NOT add a 40 year gap into this prophecy. I merely mentioned that the comment about the destruction of Jerusalem was an ‘aside’. And, we know that this destruction did happen.

      And, how can you say that the 70th week has not been fulfilled?

      Surely you believe that Jesus died for your sins, right?

      Do you believe that it is still necessary to sacrifice an animal for your sins?

      Now, you said, “the crucifixion took place at the end of the 69th week”. No, that is not what it said. It said AFTER the 69th week. It did NOT say “at the end of”. That’s a HUGE difference. And, it is clear that you did NOT understand Daniel 9:27. Remember, the original Hebrew does not use the pronoun ‘he’, anywhere in that verse.

      And yes, Antiochus Epiphanes DID desecrate the Temple. But, that does not connect with Daniel 9.

      Again, my point stands, Debra. The 70 weeks are unbroken and continuous. There is no pause. Daniel 9 has been fulfilled, in its entirety. To say otherwise is to deliberately corrupt the Bible.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      • I will go point by point and respond to your harsh words. I will start with your last point, then I will go back to the beginning of your response.

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        I understand that the prophecy did not say “at the end of 69 weeks;” it said “after 69 weeks.” It also includes events that take place BETWEEN the 69th and the 70th weeks. The prophecy includes the destruction of Jerusalem, which ended with a flood (a huge army) and a war; along with certain decreed desolations for the Holy City and for the people (Israel). These events are listed BETWEEN the 69th and the 70th weeks. The 70th week cannot overlap the 69th week when there are events that take place BETWEEN the two weeks. To take these events out and call them an “aside” is a distortion of how it was written.

        Next you said, “It is a sin to distort what God has written. We do not have permission to say that the timeline stops, and then starts up again, later. The only way that we would be allowed to do this, is if another prophet from God – or, Jesus Himself – actually said this. And, we do NOT have that, ANYWHERE!”

        God is very orderly, His prophecies are very orderly, and His prophecies are (probably always) sequential. We do not need to add anything to the timeline. We do not need to say that the timeline stops and then starts up again later. We only need to read what the prophecy actually says, in the order in which it was written. To change the order would be wrong.

        One example of a “gap” in a prophecy that was not explained explicitly in the Scripture is in Isaiah 9:6. From the time that Christ was born until the time that “the government shall be on His shoulders” is about 2,000 years. He will take His throne and will reign when He returns. Most of Israel did not accept that “gap theory,” and therefore rejected their Messiah. Isaiah 11:1-5 and Zechariah 9:9-10 are other such examples.

        Isaiah 9:6
        6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

        We must not twist what was written in Scripture to fit what we want it to say. We must not change the order in which it was written to fit our own idea of what we THINK it means. As you said, “It is a sin to distort what God has written.”

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        On to your next point, “And, I did NOT add a 40 year gap into this prophecy. I merely mentioned that the comment about the destruction of Jerusalem was an ‘aside’. And, we know that this destruction did happen.”

        I do not believe you can take part of this prophecy out of its original sequence and claim that it is an “aside.”

        Next you said, “And, how can you say that the 70th week has not been fulfilled? Surely you believe that Jesus died for your sins, right? Do you believe that it is still necessary to sacrifice an animal for your sins?”

        I will repeat what I already said. Christ was the FINAL atoning sin sacrifice! There is NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN! Most of Israel has not yet accepted their Messiah. They want to rebuild the Temple and re-commence with the Temple sacrifices. I believe this will take place soon. Their efforts will be in vain. They will be meaningless. But it will still happen.

        To answer your question, “And, how can you say that the 70th week has not been fulfilled?”

        Using your list; in order for the 70th week to be fulfilled, all of the following must be completed:

        finish the transgression
        make an end of sins
        make reconciliation for iniquity
        bring in everlasting righteousness
        seal up the vision and prophecy
        anoint the most Holy

        Not ALL of the things listed have been fulfilled.

        “seal up the vision and prophecy ”

        All prophecy has not been completed. None of the prophecies regarding the time of the Tribulation have been fulfilled.

        “anoint the most Holy”

        Christ was crucified for our sins, but He has not yet been anointed as King. He will be anointed as King when He returns and takes the throne of David in Jerusalem and begins to reign. A new king is not anointed until the previous king is removed. Satan is currently ruler of this world. After Christ’s enemies have been made His footstool, then He will be anointed as King. (1 Peter 5:8, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4, Ephesians 1:1-3)

        Revelation 11:15-17
        15 The seventh angel sounded, and great voices in heaven followed, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ. He will reign forever and ever!”
        16 The twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God’s throne, fell on their faces and worshiped God,
        17 saying: “We give you thanks, Lord God, the Almighty, the one who is and who was; because you have taken your great power, and reigned.

        Hebrews 10:11-13
        11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
        12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
        13 WAITING from that time UNTIL his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.

        Jerusalem is the place THE KING will rule from. That is why Jerusalem is so important to Satan. He (through the antichrist) wants to rule from Jerusalem. Satan wants to be king. Once Satan and the antichrist are crushed, along with all rebellious men, THE KING will reign from Jerusalem.

        Your next point was, “And, it is clear that you did NOT understand Daniel 9:27. Remember, the original Hebrew does not use the pronoun ‘he’, anywhere in that verse.”

        I assume you are speaking of who will strengthen the Covenant. I already stated that it is my belief that the Covenant in question is the Covenant God made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel). I understand that the word “He” is not in the original Hebrew. Covenants are always between two “parties.” The word “He” was added as a convenient way to refer to the “party” (God) that will be strengthening the Covenant “with many.”

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        • Hi Debra,

          I’m afraid that I had to delete a number of points for clarity and for length. As it is, your comment is still really long, and if I allow too many long comments, it will keep others from feeling like they can add their own voices.

          Now, you accuse me of using ‘harsh words’. The only word that could be construed as ‘harsh’ is my use of the word ‘deliberate’. And, I’m afraid that it is an accurate usage. Inserting meaning into the words of God, that is not there, is always deliberate.

          And yes, you are inserting a gap, and you do not have permission to do so. No other prophet mentioned this. Jesus did not mention this. No one in the Bible mentioned this. Therefore you do not have the right to insert a gap. This means that your logic, and the logic of others who maintain this theory, is heresy. It is a sin.

          Inserting a human idea into a prophecy from God is a terrible thing to do. You, yourself, claimed that God’s prophecies are orderly. Yet, you and others persist in inserting a gap, where no gap is described or hinted at. This is a sin. That is – by definition – disorderly, and you must repent of this.

          Your use of Isaiah 9:6 does not prove your point. It applies in no way. Isaiah does NOT set a specific time frame. He does not set a timeline. Therefore, it is clear that the prophecy will occur at its own pace, at the appropriate time. The same goes for the other passages that you quoted.

          Then, you imply that ‘anointing the Most Holy’ is about anointing Jesus as King, and that Jesus had not been anointed as King. WHERE does it say that HE WILL BE ANOINTED KING!

          A ceremony, anointing Jesus as King is completely and utterly unnecessary, since He was already King of Kings and Lord of Lords, before He was ever born into this world. Yet, you believe that there will be some future ceremony where God the Son will be anointed. Yet, no such ceremony is described in the Bible.

          That does not make sense – especially, since it is described NOWHERE in the Bible.

          Furthermore, the reference ‘The Most Holy’ is NOT ABOUT JESUS CHRIST!! The Most Holy is the place in the temple, where the Ark of the Covenant sits, that is sprinkled with blood, once a year – for the sins of all the people, on the Day of Atonement.

          Just as the Ark of the Covenant is anointed every year with the blood of a sinless lamb, so did Jesus Christ anoint the Most Holy in the Temple in heaven, with His own blood, when He went up to Heaven. And, it is that anointing that covers our sins for all time. Forever.

          Read Hebrews 10 and 11.

          And, the covenant is not strengthened. It is confirmed.

          How was it confirmed?

          The signs and wonders that happened during the first years of the church. The gospel that went throughout the world, and then… the bringing in of the Gentiles.

          Debra, I say again that it is a sin to insert into God’s words, what should not be there. And, now that I have laid out incontrovertible evidence, you now know the truth. You can no longer say that you are in ignorance.

          I have proven, without doubt, that there is no gap, anywhere in those 70 weeks. I have proven that everything has happened just as described. And even you prove that you are wrong by agreeing that God’s prophecies are orderly.

          Therefore, you must repent, of this position, Debra. Such sin has consequences, and I do not wish that for you.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

          • One point that you have repeatedly deleted, and not addressed, is the fact that you claimed, “Daniel 8 is About The Antichrist.” Daniel Chapter 8 is NOT about the antichrist. It is about Antiochus Epiphanes. He was a type, or a foreshadowing of the antichrist.

            The question that you have thus far failed to answer is: Are you really saying that you believe the 69th and the 70th weeks partially overlap??? If that is not what you believe, please clarify.

            I am still not certain if you believe the 69th week ended at the beginning of the ministry of Christ, or if you believe the 69th week ended at the crucifixion of Christ. I understand that you believe the 70th week began with the ministry of Christ, and ended 3 ½ years after the crucifixion of Christ. However, it is an assumption on my part (based on what you wrote that was not clear at all) that you believe that the last two weeks partially overlap. (You said, “I can only ask where you get permission to say, ‘The 70th week cannot begin until after the 69th week ends.'”) It was never clearly stated in your newsletter, nor in any of your responses, when YOU believe the 69th week ended.

            There is not any way possible to make ALL of Daniel 9:24-27 end in 33 AD. To use your own words, “you do not have permission” to take part of the prophecy out and call it an “aside.”

            Do you believe in a seven-year tribulation? If you do, where do you get that from Scripture? Daniel Chapter 8 is not about the antichrist or about the tribulation; and it only mentions 2,300 days anyway. Daniel Chapter 12, which does mention the future abomination, only mentions 1,290 days and 1,335 days. The Book of Revelation only mentions 1,260 days (and 42 months). The only place in Scripture that I know of that would give us the idea of a 7-year tribulation is Daniel 9:24-27. Without the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy being fulfilled by the 7-year tribulation, we are left with a maximum of 1,335 days for all of Revelation Chapters 6-19 to be fulfilled. We know that the antichrist is given authority for 42 months (which seems to equal 1260 days). In that case, any events described within Revelation Chapters 6-19, which occur BEFORE the antichrist is given authority, would only have 75 days in which to take place. (1335 – 1260 = 75)

            I made this as short as possible so hopefully you will not delete important points. What you deleted in my previous two posts (“for clarity”) were some of the points that made it quite clear.

            The following paragraphs you can post publicly, or you have my permission to “delete for length and clarity” if you choose. This does not necessarily need to be public, but you need to hear it.

            One part of my previous post that you conveniently deleted: I will respectfully disagree with your understanding of this passage. My understanding is different. I am not accusing you of heresy, nor am I telling you that you are destined for the lake of fire because you disagree with me. That would be RUDE, and it would be an inappropriate way for one Believer to treat another Believer. No person has a completely accurate understanding of ALL Scripture. One should be careful accusing a fellow Believer of INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting a passage of Scripture.

            Apparently you do not know how to respectfully disagree, as a Brother in Christ should. I extended an “olive branch” in my previous post, stating that I appreciate your work and look forward to your newsletters. You also conveniently deleted that comment. Apparently all you are capable of doing is bullying and accusing anyone who does not agree with you of heresy; and telling them that they are destined for hell if they do not repent (not repent of actual heresy, but repent of the “sin” of disagreeing with YOU). That kind of attitude makes me want to question your destiny, but I know that would be WRONG.

            No one can HONESTLY accuse me of heresy. Any such FALSE accusation would be the sin of offering false testimony. I am diligently seeking the truth of God’s Word. While I do not always agree with the interpretation of others, I do not accuse them of heresy for not agreeing with me. While I am extremely frustrated with the very dangerous doctrines of replacement theology, pre-tribulation rapture, and many other false doctrines; I do not believe it is appropriate or constructive to use hateful accusations. It is important for Believers to share their insight and understanding with fellow Believers. That is how we learn. Bullying, accusing, and slandering anyone who does not agree with you is no way to discuss opinions regarding God’s Word. Most people have a tendency to not listen to the opinion of one who is ranting and calling them names.

            Matthew 19:17-19
            17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
            18 He said to him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder.’ ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ ‘You shall not steal.’ ‘YOU SHALL NOT OFFER FALSE TESTIMONY.’
            19 ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ And, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’”

            Maybe you should “repent” of your “sin” of being mistaken about Daniel Chapter 8, since you apparently believe that being mistaken is a sin.

          • Hi Debra,

            Thank you for keeping your comment as short as possible. I appreciate that.

            The reason why I deleted your discussion of Daniel 8, is that it was not relevant to the discussion of the article. You had already written a huge comment, so it had to go. If you wish to discuss Romans 8, please do that in a separate comment. And keep your comments relevant and concise.

            Why do you ask the question about an overlap of week 69 and week 70?

            I already told you that they didn’t overlap. They are contiguous and continuous. No overlap. How can time ‘overlap’? 70 weeks is 70 weeks. It is an uninterruptible span of time.

            Furthermore, the ministry of Christ BEGINS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 70th WEEK!

            And yes, I DO have ‘permission’ to refer to the ‘coming of a people of a prince’ as an ‘aside’. Verse 26 describes a number of events that would occur after week 69. One of those events was the destruction of Jerusalem. Therefore, the word, ‘aside’, fits here. It does not distort the prophecy in any way. It certainly does not insert a ‘gap’.

            You, on the other hand, DO DISTORT the prophecy by inserting a 2000 year gap that is mentioned nowhere in the Bible. ANYWHERE. I have not done this.

            Now, to your point about heresy. Your insistence that accusing someone of heresy as being ‘rude’ is immaterial. Heresy is heresy. In terms of our discussion, heresy is any belief or doctrine that is contrary to the words of God, in the Bible. Some heresies are minor. Some are major. Since you insert into the Bible, what is clearly not there, you are definitely engaged in heresy.

            And yes, I CAN accuse you of heresy. And, it doesn’t matter whether you consider that accusation to be rude or not. What matters is the truth, and the love of the truth.

            I did not say that you were engaged in a ‘damnable heresy’, although it can lead to such. And, this is why I have written this article. What you and others believe has caused great damage to the integrity of the Bible. By your choice to corrupt the Bible, you have given permission to anyone who wishes to change the meaning of the Bible to do so in whatever way that they wish. You have chosen to manipulate the precious words of God, and you show that you have little reverence for what God actually says.

            THAT leads to ‘damnable heresy’. My hope is that you are not there yet. And yes, damnable heresy will get you sent to Hell. Just read Revelation 22:19.

            And no, I do NOT believe in a seven year tribulation. I’ve already made that clear.

            If you consider what I have written to this point to be rude. Then, so be it. I have used words as precisely as possible, to be as clear as possible. You can feel insulted by that in whatever way that you choose to feel insulted. I have not used insulting language.

            Up to this point, you have not adequately answered my point that Daniel’s 70 weeks is an uninterruptible span of time. You have made no reference to any part of the Bible that gives you permission to insert a 2000 year gap into those 70 weeks. Therefore, we are left with an established fact – that inserting a 2000 year gap into Daniel’s 70 weeks is heresy.

            What other conclusion can we possibly make, Debra?

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little
            omegashock.com

          • There was no “reply” button below, so I will post here.

            Daniel Chapter 8:

            You suggested making a separate comment regarding Daniel Chapter 8, so here it is:

            You stated in your newsletter, “Daniel 8 is About The Antichrist.”

            The only places in the Book of Daniel that are DIRECTLY about the antichrist are Daniel 7:8, 7:20-22, 7:24-26, & 12:11.

            Daniel Chapter 8 was a prophecy describing what to expect starting with the Medo-Persian Empire, and leading up to shortly before the first coming of Christ. The Medo-Persian Empire was to be followed by the Grecian empire. The first king of the Grecian Empire was Alexander the Great. (Daniel 8:8 & 8:21) When he died, his empire was divided by his 4 generals/4 horns. (Daniel 8:8 & 8:22) Out of these, grew a little horn (Antiochus Epiphanes). (Daniel 8:9-12 & 8:23-25) I understand that Daniel 8:19 says the “time of the end;” but this passage is referring to the end of the Grecian Empire and to the rise of the Roman Empire; not to the “end times.” The 2,300 days was fulfilled during the time of the Maccabean revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes. (Daniel 8:13-14) It was apparently 2,300 days from the time Antiochus desecrated the Temple by sacrificing a pig on the altar, until it was cleansed and rededicated. Although Antiochus Epiphanes was a foreshadowing of the antichrist, no part of Daniel Chapter 8 is DIRECTLY referring to the antichrist. The abomination of Daniel 8:13 was already in the past during the ministry of Christ. Christ was referring to Daniel 12:11 when he spoke of the future abomination of desolation. Christ might have also been hinting that, even though Daniel Chapter 8 was already history, it was a foreshadowing of future events. As Matthew recorded, “whoever reads, let him understand.”

            While Daniel Chapter 8 was directly referring to the time leading up to shortly before the first coming of Christ, it is also a foreshadowing of what to expect leading up to just before the return of Christ. The Roman Empire, was divided in two (represented by the legs and thighs of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream statue), but the Roman Empire was never conquered. It was then further divided over the years. There does not need to be a REVIVED Roman Empire, because the DIVIDED Roman Empire still exists. This divided Roman Empire is represented by ten horns and ten toes (Daniel 2:32, 2:41-42, 7:7, 7:20; 7:24, Revelation 13:1, 17:3, 17:7, 17:16). The ten horns and ten toes are also called ten kings (Revelation 17:12). At some point, the divided Roman Empire will be ruled by exactly ten rulers, and a little horn (the antichrist) will come up among the ten horns (ten kings). (Daniel 7:8)

            Daniel 8:9-12, 8:23-25, & 11:21-45 are about Antiochus Epiphanes. Daniel 8:25 and Daniel 11:45 are both stating the same thing about Antiochus Epiphanes. Daniel 8:25 says, “But he shall be broken without human means.” Daniel 11:45 says, “he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.” I understand that the books of Maccabees are not canon. According to 2 Maccabees 9:5-9, apparently Antiochus Epiphanes died a horrible death. That horrible death probably foreshadows a horrible death that the antichrist will suffer.

            In your newsletter, you said that you were puzzled by the 2,300 days mentioned in Daniel Chapter 8, and how that fits into future prophecy. I just had an idea about that, so I will revise my previous statement. The 2,300 days in Daniel Chapter 8 represents the time from the desecration of the Temple by Antiochus, to the rededication at the end of the Maccabean revolt. Patterns do not always have to perfectly fit every detail, but the 2,300 days could possibly fit the pattern for future tribulation events. Consider the possibility that from the desecration of the tribulation Temple by the antichrist to the dedication of the Millennial Temple could be 2,300 days. If that is correct, then there would be a little over 2 ½ years to build and dedicate the Millennial Temple after the return of Christ and the death of the antichrist. That is one possible way the 2,300 days could fit…

          • Hi Debra,

            I asked you a question. You seem unable or unwilling to answer it. Therefore this discussion WILL NOT GO FORWARD UNTIL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION:

            Where do you get permission to insert a 2000 year gap between week 69 and week 70?

            If you cannot or will not answer that question, then there is nothing else to talk about, Debra.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little
            omegashock.com

          • I thought it would be best to make this a separate comment as well.

            A basic definition of heresy, according to Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, is “adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma,” or “dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice.”

            According to that definition you and I could both be accused of heresy by the majority of Protestants, who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. Does that actually make us heretics?

            My point is, name-calling is not helpful, nor is it a constructive way in which to have a Biblical discussion with a fellow Believer. It would be more productive to have a civil discussion in which you clearly explain what you believe and why you believe it, rather than resorting to name-calling and accusations. It took three rounds of comments before I understood that you do not believe that the 69th and 70th weeks overlap, because what you wrote was not clear. You made at least one comment that seemed to state the opposite of what you say you do believe.

            The first time I heard the “gap” theory it didn’t make sense, until I realized that the “gap” is contained within the prophecy (what you call an “aside”). The reason this makes more sense to me is because the description of the 70th week does not fit with what happened from 26 AD to 33 AD. I do not think your interpretation works at all. I do not see how you think you can make it fit. This is a disagreement in interpretation. That does NOT fit the definition of heresy! You repeating it does not make it any more true. It’s just annoying.

            I usually enjoy reading your newsletters. Your book gave me new insight into the many descriptions of solar flares in Scripture. However, I occasionally get frustrated with your treatment of anyone who disagrees with you. I do not like posting comments online. I only did it this time because I got annoyed with your accusations toward fellow Believers.

          • Sorry Debra, but I set the terms of reference accurately. I said ‘in terms of the Bible’. Any distortion of what the Bible says, is heresy – in terms of the Bible. We all make mistakes, which means that we all harbor minor bits of heresy. But, you are inserting something that is not in the Bible, anywhere. THAT is pretty big. – JL

  7. John,

    It is always good to see some Bible logic pushback on pre-trib and Daniel’s 70 weeks! I almost got lost in this shenanigans 8/10 years ago myself. But it just didn’t seem right…….. Yes, Hal Lindsey and the Dallas Theological and other continue to push this. Many have developed their whole identity to that type of teaching. Oh well we keep praying that eyes will be opened! Don’t be so down, With God all things are possible, besides it sounds as though we all have read the end of the Book. “Covfefe” In the end we win!! Peter Michas of Messengers of Messiah has done some good teaching on Daniel 9 you should check it out. Clowns In America, CIA and Clowns News Network/Clinton News Network truth maybe stranger then fiction. (operation mockingbird) Asa we bow are knee and bow our heads may the Good Lord lift us up for His glory in due time.

    • Thank you, Mark. I’m glad that you have open eyes. Keep up the good work! – JL

      PS. I just went to the site of Peter Michas. And I immediately saw this:

      “Aaron’s rod, a branch from the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden, is traced to the Crucifixion Tree on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.”

      Do NOT listen to someone who says stuff like this!

      • John,
        Aaron’s rod/staff the blossoming almond tree right? My point was to read the stuff on Daniel and revelation. Please don’t judge a book by it’s cover or single statement. Also is it not better to show all of won says and then show corrections if necessary instead of just deleting to show learning and growth. The judgement seat? I am sure over my 60 plus years on earth I have miss spoke or miss wrote something rather let us look at the whole content before jumping to conclusions. Question: the Bible, how many translations? Which is the best? Do they all say exactly word for word the same. In the original were sentence’s periods paragraphs etc.? Do you speak perfect greek? I sure don’t! Were the translators (all) God breathed through? What was the council of Trent and the council of niceaa about? What was the effect on the Bible? Is the Word of God the Bible or does the Bible contain the Word of God? The Word of God The Son of God The Living Word the original!! Not a jot or a …….. Let me know some of your thoughts especially if you communicate back to Peter or Christie your concerns on the Daniel 9 stuff. Thanks for your followup as I know you are very busy. Mark

        • Hi mark,

          Deliberately adding to the Bible what is not there, is a very serious thing. Anyone who does that should not be trusted. Ever. If they repent of what they did, and seek to undo their lies, then… maybe …they would be worth listening to. But, to say that Aaron’s rod came from the Tree of Life, is a horrendous and stupid lie. And then, to say that it’s “traced to the Crucifixion Tree”, is adding insult onto injury.

          Only a true fraud would say something like that, or someone horrifyingly deluded by lie upon lie. Whichever it is, someone like that can never be trusted.

          Stay as far away from as you possibly can, until he repents of his corrupt teaching, mark.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

  8. But no, this is not a conspiracy?? ?? The purging of over 260 high ranking Admirals and Generals, the lowering of weight requirements, and fitness standards. The purging of laws and ethics allowing sodomy and bestiality to be acceptable in the military. The acceptance of women in combat, and lowering of standards for them. Sexual crimes against soldiers and seamen, sometimes never see justice.
    I find it quite possible that envelopes are still getting passed around ensuring Commie, socialist, NWO types can delete and degrade our military to the point of irrelevance.
    Professionalism, and ethics are disappearing in most areas of STATE and GOVERNMENT. The healthcare industry is crashing in this manner as well. This is the USA!! Conspiracy lives and reigns here. When Ony 29% are eligible, serious problems are on the horizon. Food, education, healthcare, medicine, politics, conspiracy is painted all over. Digging for the TRUTH in the land of debris, and the home of the slave, is tricky business these days. Yes I can almost find CONSPIRACY in everything, or questions that remain unanswered.

    • Hi Mangledman,

      Unfortunately, history tells us that this destruction of the military from within happens time and time again. We have seen this many times, so we can’t claim that a conspiracy is involved here. If it is, it’s minor.

      Remember that the British, French, Spanish, Roman, Byzantine and Persian empires ALL DID THIS, in one form or another. And, Mrs. Little has told me about the absolute stupidity of Chinese dynasties, when they were falling.

      Remember Hanlon’s Razor:

      Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

      Yes, I know that the stupidity is mind-blowing, that it’s so awful that we feel that there MUST be a conspiracy involved. But, greed and stupidity are powerful forces, all on their own.

      Again, I’m not saying that there are not conspiracies. There are. For instance, there was/is definitely a huge conspiracy surrounding 9/11. But, we need to be careful about restricting ourselves to what can be proved.

      Remember that our goal is to open the closed hearts and minds of our friends, families and acquaintances. To do that, we need to restrict ourselves to what can be proven without doubt. (Although, I know that amongst ourselves…)

      And yes, all of this is utterly maddening, MM! I can hardly believe it, myself.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  9. Just heard this talked about yesterday morning when switching between drive-time talk radio on the Hugh Hewitt show, which is nationally syndicated at a “Rush Limbaugh” level. Not that I have omniscience when it comes to media, but this was the first time I had ever heard the Seven Mountains stuff discussed openly on a really major radio show, or any major media for that matter. I’m surprised that it’s broken out to that level of prominence already so figured this was worth sending. Hopefully Tony at AMTM sees this too. Makes ya shake your head…

    FYI, there is some audio that autoplays in the background that is pretty annoying.

    http://www.cultureshaperssummit.com

    • Hi T S,

      Wow. That’s horrible. And, the problem that I see, is that… when America continues to fall in power and wealth …these ‘seven mountain’ people will gain political power. It hasn’t happened yet, but they are poised to do so. And, it brings to mind that verse in John 16 that talks about those who will think that they are serving God, when they kill us.

      I believe that Jesus was speaking about the period of persecution just after He died and rose again. But, it has also been something that has happened throughout the past two thousand years – mostly by Catholics, but also by leaders of the Protestant Reformation.

      And no, Baptists are not – and have never been – Protestants. And, we aren’t the only ones.

      Anyway, this looks like the beginnings of a new and ‘improved’ version of the Roman Catholic Church – stronger and more lethal.

      And, it will be something that the Antichrist will take control of and use to conquer the world – assuming that these seven mountains people DO grow in power.

      I’m not saying that these ‘Seven Mountains’ people will be the group that the Antichrist rules the world with. I’m just saying that they are a candidate for that.

      Thanks, T S. This is terrible news.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  10. Debra,
    Personally, I wouldn’t read this guy anymore…I skimmed, and the tone and accusations are pretty bad. I only stopped by here because I have read his stuff in the past – quite awhile back. But, after seeing the devolution in what used to be considerate, polite discourse, I probably won’t be back. When people start hurling those types of accusations at a fellow believer – well, it’s quite telling. There’s so many other places one can go on the internet. Personally, though, the Bible is the best place to be, and the internet a distant second. God bless you for trying to contend, sister.

    • Christine,
      Thank you for your encouraging words. I agree, the Bible is ABSOLUTELY the best place to be. Sometimes it is nice to discuss things and get constructive feedback. I would love to find a place to share ideas with other Believers without all the name-calling. If you have any good suggestions, please let me know.

  11. Daniel Chapter 8:

    I really didn’t think you wanted to continue the conversation based on your language and the deleted comments. If you really want my response, here goes…

    [DELETED FOR CLARITY BY JL]

    The world government system from which the antichrist will arise will not consist of four rulers (kings). The antichrist will arise amongst ten kings, not four. Three of the ten kings will be uprooted by the antichrist. That leaves seven kings, not four. Daniel Chapter 8 is not about the antichrist.

    I trust God’s Word to be accurate. The 2,300 days was fulfilled exactly as described, because God’s Word says so. I have never really spent time looking into the 2,300 days before now. It appears that there are a couple of predominant theories as to how they were fulfilled, as you said in your linked article.

    [DELETED FOR CLARITY BY JL]

    From the time Menelaus murdered the previous High Priest and betrayed his people, to the time the Temple was re-dedicated, was 2,300 days. In the middle of that time period the Temple was desecrated by Antiochus. It’s just a theory, so don’t have a fit. I’m sure you won’t agree with it anyway, since you don’t agree with a seven-year tribulation.

    [DELETED FOR CLARITY BY JL]

    The end of the rule of Antiochus marked the decline of the Grecian Empire and the rise of the Roman Empire. It was the “time of the end,” or the time of the decline of the domination by Greece, just as Scripture said it would be. When the angel referred to the time of the end and to many days in the future in verses 17 & 26, it was likely also a hint that Antiochus was meant to be a type, or a foreshadowing of the antichrist to come. The antichrist will be similar to Antiochus in many ways; but that does not mean that we should expect a repeat of the Medo-Persian and the Grecian Empires.

    I don’t know what Daniel 8:10 means. I don’t know how that verse was fulfilled by Antiochus. Antiochus was a man possessed by an evil spirit. The antichrist will be a man possessed by an evil spirit. If you do not believe that verse 10 could have been fulfilled by Antiochus exactly as it said, then how do you believe the antichrist will somehow be able to cast down some of the army of heaven and of the stars (possibly angels) to the ground? He will be an evil man, possessed by an evil spirit, just like Antiochus was. It seems inconsistent to me to say that the antichrist will be able to fulfill that, but Antiochus could not have fulfilled it.

    All I need to know is that the Medo-Persian Empire fell to the Grecian Empire, exactly as Scripture said. The Grecian Empire was divided 4 ways, exactly as Scripture said. The death of Antiochus Epiphanes marked the decline of the divided Grecian Empire, exactly as Scripture said. I do not need to understand verse 10 to have faith that the Word of God was fulfilled exactly as it was recorded in Daniel Chapter 8.

    • Hi Debra,

      I had to delete paragraphs from your comment, because they were completely off topic and obscuring what you were trying to say. What’s left is still not concise, but at least a better presentation of what you are trying to say.

      You seem to think that I believe that the entirety of Daniel 8 will be in the future. I have said no such thing. And, I find it unusual that you would think like this.

      The problem is that we have no evidence that Antiochus was a man of ‘fierce countenance’ (he wasn’t). You have no evidence that he cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. (He didn’t.) We have no evidence that he ‘by peace shall destroy many’. (He didn’t.)

      Even worse, we KNOW that it did not take 2300 days to cleanse the temple. It didn’t take that long between the desecration and the cleansing. In fact, the whole time period was 168 BC to the end of 164 BC. Less than three years.

      Where is the 6.3 years in the time line?

      That’s an important number, but we cannot fit that time period into the precise history that we have. And we should be able to.

      We know that the Temple was cleansed and rededicated in fall of 164 B.C. Count back 6.3 years and you get the summer of 170 B.C.

      Did anything relevant to the prophecy of Daniel 8 occur in the summer of 170 B.C.?

      I’m sorry, but I do not see anything in the summer of 170 BC.

      So, unless you can say that something DID happen then, you really can’t say that Daniel 8 has been completely fulfilled, Debra.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      • You said:
        “Even worse, we KNOW that it did not take 2300 days to cleanse the temple. It didn’t take that long between the desecration and the cleansing.”

        Please do not misrepresent what I said.

        I said:
        “From the time Menelaus murdered the previous High Priest and betrayed his people, to the time the Temple was re-dedicated, was 2,300 days. In the middle of that time period the Temple was desecrated by Antiochus. It’s just a theory,”

  12. Daniel Chapter 9:

    You said, “I asked you a question. You seem unable or unwilling to answer it.”
    “Where do you get permission to insert a 2000 year gap between week 69 and week 70?”

    I already answered this question, multiple times. You asked for another response, so I will answer it again as clearly as I can. I cannot fully explain my answer with a short reply. Since you asked for this response, please do not delete any of it.

    [DELETED FOR CLARITY – BY JL]

    I take Scripture very literally. I do not need “permission” to read the prophecy as it was written.

    You are altering the prophecy. “You do not have permission” to take part of the prophecy out of its original context and call it an “aside.” “You do not have permission” to alter the sequence of events.

    The way the prophecy was written, the Messiah was to be cut off at the end of the 69th week. I understand that is says “after the 69th week,” but to read it any other way (than at the end of the 69th week), would be changing the order in which it was written.

    It does not say that the Messiah would be cut off in the middle of the 70th week. That changes the order. In the middle of the 70th week is your interpretation, based entirely on how you want to interpret it.

    [DELETED FOR CLARITY – BY JL]

    You can’t alter or change the order of the prophecy.

    • Hi Debra,

      I’m afraid that you do NOT take scripture literally. I wish that you did. Otherwise we would not be going back and forth on this.

      Furthermore, you need to get something right that you have refused to acknowledge. Daniel did not write ‘at the end of’ when referring to Messiah being cut off, yet you keep saying that.

      Debra, get this right. Messiah is not cut off ‘at the end of week 69’.

      Did you get that?

      It says (to paraphrase) Messiah is cut off AFTER week 69.

      Debra, did you get that?

      MESSIAH IS CUT OFF AFTER WEEK 69!!

      Are you willing to take that literally?

      AFTER. WEEK. 69.

      AFTER.

      STOP SAYING AT THE END OF!!!

      Furthermore, verse 25 says:

      ..from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks..

      – Daniel 9:25 (the middle part)

      This means that Messiah will not begin UNTIL AFTER WEEK 69.

      MESSIAH BEGINS AFTER WEEK 69.

      DEBRA, DID YOU GET THAT??

      The beginning of the time of the Messiah does not start until after week 69 ends.

      DEBRA, DID YOU GET THAT??

      UNTO = UNTIL = TO BEGINNING OF = TO THE INITIAL MOMENT OF

      DEBRA, DID YOU GET THAT??

      ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION???

      I can’t believe that I have to explain to YOU, what you actually believe. But, here it goes, in very simple words:

      You believe that the 70 weeks of Daniel are not a span of time.

      The Bible says that it’s a span of time, but you say otherwise. THAT IS HERESY.

      You are taking what the Bible actually says, and saying that it does not say that.

      THAT IS HERESY.

      If you don’t like that word, that’s your problem, not mine. You are the one that is deliberately corrupting the Bible.

      It won’t get you sent to Hell or burnt at the stake, but it is still a deliberate corruption. And, you are under such a strong delusion that you refuse to see how ridiculous this is.

      Daniel 9 says that Messiah is ANOINTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 70TH WEEK.

      I can’t believe that you are having this much trouble understanding simple words. I really don’t. And, I am NOT damaging the sequence of events by claiming that this prophecy says that AFTER WEEK SIXTY NINE, a people of a prince will come and destroy Jerusalem.

      DEBRA, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORD ‘AFTER’??

      How long after, is unimportant. AFTER IS AFTER!!!

      Now, explain how it’s possible for you to say that the 70 weeks is not continuous, when the Bible describes them as continuous.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  13. Heresy:

    I really hate the word “heresy.” Historically the people shouting “HERESY” the loudest are people who want to burn anyone that doesn’t agree with them at the stake. If you want to both learn and teach, it is not helpful in any way whatsoever to throw out accusations.

    I am sure you think you are right, but that does not make you right. Shouting “HERETIC” does not make you right in anyone’s eyes but your own. Laying out a logical argument supporting your understanding is the only way to convince someone that what you believe is the truth.

    Deleting someone’s comments is not helpful either.

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