Where is Magog?

Turkey is preparing for war and is gathering allies to do so. And, this growing alliance appears suspiciously close to that of the Gog and Magog alliance.

Is Turkey the Land of Magog?

It’s actually hard to say. And, I find that difficulty to be very interesting. It’s as if God were providing us with a test – a test of our willingness to love the Truth, instead of our own intellect. And, I am finding a LOT of ‘self love’ among the intellectuals making spurious claim after spurious claim about Magog.

So, let’s look at that for a bit.

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Where is Magog?

Where is Magog? – The ShockCast

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Identifying the location of the land of the people who descended from Magog is important.

Why?

Because a great alliance will be formed, and will descend upon the Land of Israel, to try and destroy Israel. That ‘grand alliance’ is described in Ezekiel 38 and 39.

Two chapters.

One event.

My hope is that you get that, because I am disheartened at the foolishness of so many who choose to not ‘get it’. And, speaking of foolishness…

…this is NOT the Gog and Magog of Revelation!

If you believe that the events of Ezekiel 38 and 39 are the same as that of Revelation 20, you need your head examined. And, I see far too many people who claim this connection.

What happens immediately after the Gog and Magog in Ezekiel?

The children of Jacob in the Land of Israel accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. There is a seven year clean-up of all the destroyed military equipment. We suffer the fire that descends upon the Earth – something that I have called Ezekiel’s Fire.

What happens immediately after the Gog and Magog of Revelation?

The world is burned up. Those who were not in the First Resurrection are resurrected. We have the Great White Throne Judgment, followed by a new heaven and a new Earth.

Do those two things sound similar?

No?

Good. You don’t need your head examined, and that’s a big relief. Examining heads is time consuming and unpleasant.

The problem is about this fire that Ezekiel talks about. And, it’s the reason why I wrote my book:

http://www.ezekielsfire.com/

If you get this ‘Gog and Magog’ thing wrong, you will probably die. And, if you don’t die, you will wish that you had. I hope that I’m wrong, but I have yet to see anyone prove me wrong.

You will get high praise from me, if you prove me wrong. Seriously. I kid you not. I am horrified by what is coming, and I prefer to be un-horrified.

So, un-horrify me… if you can.

So, when we see events coalesce – or gather around – a certain figure and a certain nation… and …if that figure and nation seems to share some of the characteristics of Gog and Magog… well …we would do well to look hard at that figure and nation.

The person that I refer to is Recep Tayyip Erdogan. I call him:

Oink Erdogan, the ugliest man in Anatolia County

(Raise your hand if you know which song that I’m referring to.)

Oink is a foul, evil and ridiculous man, who leads a foul, evil and ridiculous country – Turkey. And yes, I mean all of that.

Please remember that Turkey – when it was called the Ottoman Empire – murdered about two million Christians a century ago. And, they refuse to admit that they did that, or that there was anything wrong with it. And, you will go to jail, in Turkey, if you dare to criticize Turkey for it.

I am referring to:

Armenian Genocide

Assyrian Christian Genocide

Greek Christian Genocide

I want Turkey to either repent of what they have done and seek to make amends, or I want them punished for it. Since I doubt that Turkey will repent, I want her to be punished. And, the thought that this punishment will occur during the coming of Gog and Magog is interesting.

So, is Turkey the Land of Magog?

Well, let me start by talking about what Magog is NOT:

Lydia is NOT Magog.

When I discovered why certain historians made the connection between Lydia and Magog… I was horrified. Just because there was a king of Lydia that had the letter ‘g’ twice in his name… MEANS NOTHING!!!!

(grrrrrr!)

I get so tired of idiots that I could scream. Really. In fact, I often DO scream, to the consternation of Mrs. Little – although, she is getting more and more used to my screaming, yelling and waving of hands. Having said that, I usually just groan when people are so absurdly ignorant.

Who is Magog?

And yes, it’s a ‘who’ and not a ‘what’.

Magog is mentioned here:

1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

 – Genesis 10:1-5

That’s right. Magog is a son of Japheth – or יֶ֔פֶת. That’s Yefet, and that name means: beautiful. If something is pretty or beautiful, it is yephei or yephat – depending on gender. And, since the descendants of Japheth were all ‘white guys’, I find myself a little confused.

I find my own, over-pale, coloring to be rather ridiculous. It’s only useful for northern climates, and it burns really, really easily. My wife’s coloring is much more appropriate and MUCH more attractive. MUCH.

(ahem!)

Now, where was I… ah yes. Magog. Notice his brothers.

How many of them are in this Gog and Magog coalition?

Gomer, Tubal and Meshech – and maybe ‘Madai’ which may/may-not be the Medes and a part of Persia.

Who are NOT?

Javan and Tiras.

This means that a HUGE part of the Euro-Asian people are going to descend upon Israel. Only Javan (Greeks) and Tiras (whoever they are) will not.

Does this tell us where Magog is?

Not really. What it tells us is that we have a GIGANTIC area to include Magog in. And, anyone who fits within that area and has a good relationship with Iran (Persia) is a candidate.

Up to the previous few years, Turkey was out of the question because of their antipathy for Iran. That left us with the only other country with influence: Russia.

Can we say that Russia is NOT the Land of Magog?

No. It is still a candidate. In fact, no matter how you interpret the term ‘rosh nasi’ – the Hebrew for ‘chief prince’ in Ezekiel 38:2, Russia seems to be there. Russia certainly seems to be playing the role of ‘chief prince’. And, if you follow my own interpretation, Russia is definitely there.

The Hebrew grammar is not correct for ‘chief prince’. The way that it is written seems to indicate that Rosh is a name. Furthermore, ‘nasi’ or ‘nah-see’ is already as chief as you can get. Nasi MEANS ‘chief prince’. And, the Rus – or Rosh – are a pretty ancient people.

Furthermore, Rus and Rosh would be pretty interchangeable in Hebrew. And, if I’m right, Russia is there – either way.

But, is Turkey the Land of Magog?

No one knows. And, that’s the interesting thing, since Ezekiel 38 and 39 were written to US – you and me.

That’s right, WE are the intended recipients of those two chapters, and God knew that we would be uncertain about where the Land of Magog was. Therefore, we are stuck with looking at the pattern of events and comparing them with what Ezekiel and others say.

Of course, that has always been the case, so I guess that we shouldn’t worry too much over this. The pattern will be clear, once it manifests itself. And, I see it beginning to ‘manifest’.

Please. Keep a careful eye on Turkey. Trouble is brewing there, the kind of trouble that leads to Ezekiel’s Fire and unimaginable suffering and death.

 

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A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.Proverbs 22:3

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25 thoughts on “Where is Magog?”

  1. The world is expected to mock God, but What bothers me is the almost total blindness from the so-called Christian “watchmen” as they bristle with hostility about the flat earth. They erect an entire theological construct from Gen 6:4 (nephilim), but can’t seem to get a clue about flat earth from literally DOZENS of scriptures describing flat earth. They reject Darwinian science as a lie, yet believe the bigger copernican lie. I am very very disappointed in these people and will never trust them again. God’s Word, however, is trustworthy.

    I have visited and seen your mocking and vituperative commentary on brethren who believe God’s Word…exactly how the world reacts…

    You are believing a lie.

    So, show me in God’s Word where a globe is described. All I see are scriptures describing the firmament, and a “fixed” and “immovable earth.” God’s Word is my authority so please enlighten me. Show me the scriptures.

    Marco Polo

    • Hi Marco Polo,

      Boy, am I glad that you asked that. I have just the video for you:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfRMuDUEgEc

      AND, for no extra charge, I also have some verses from the Bible:

      Please remember that I speak and read Hebrew, so I understand the meaning of the original language of the Old Testament – or Tanach.

      Isaiah 40:22 – In that verse, the Hebrew word for circle is ח֣וּג (pronounced choog – ch as in Bach). That’s also the word for sphere or group. Sometimes we will use that word to mean a circle of people – which just means group. So, Isaiah 40:22 is referring to a sphere. If you want the word ‘circle’ in Hebrew, you want מעגל (mah-GAL). If something is circular it is עָגוֹל (ah-GOOL).

      So, Isaiah 40:22 proves that the Earth is a sphere. Sorry Flat Earthers, but that’s the truth.

      Genesis 1 – Firmament – The KJV uses FIRMAMENT, and the original Hebrew word is רָקִיעַ (rah-KEE-ya). It is the word for sky. And, it is very close to the word in Hebrew for ’empty’ – ריק (pronounced raik). So firmament literally means the ’empty area’.

      So, Genesis 1 ALSO proves that the Earth is in the shape of a globe.

      Sorry MP, but the Bible PROVES that the Earth is a GLOBE.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      • John I knew you would cite 40:22- that refers to a circle not a sphere. Circle is 2 dimensions. It is a huge stretch to say choog is a ball. Isaiah uses a different Hebrew word for ball. See:
        http://www.crivoice.org/circle

        Firmament is “expanse” as an extended surface, or “vault of heaven” so how would an empty space support or divide the waters above it? What waters? Ancient Hebrews believed it to be a solid and I think they understood their own language. Expanse refers to solId. Btw, the Hebrews also believed in a flat earth as did most ancient cultures. It was gentiles who gave us a sphere.

        There are many verses in Psalms, Chronicles, Job, Isaiah, et al that describe a “fixed” and “immovable” earth. Nowhere does it describe a ball rocket must bing in 4 different directions through outer space. Do you feel movement? I don’t. So, the verses you cited are not proofs of ball earth, as they do not coincide with other scriptures. You cannot dismiss these as poetic as that is not the context intended.

        Excuse me if I take God’s Word over fallen lying science. Heliocentrism is the biggest lie of all. Mother of all Lies.

        I take God’s Eord over man’s word. Every time.

        • Hi Marco Polo,

          So, now you are an expert in Hebrew?

          You KNOW what that Hebrew word means?

          I speak Hebrew. I know the Hebrew of the Bible. Hebrew language experts know what that word means. Your profound ignorance is either willing or diabolical.

          Furthermore, I have a cousin who is an air traffic controller in Antarctica. The world CANNOT BE FLAT if he is at the South Pole, guiding planes in for landings.

          So Mr Fisher, take your Satanic lies and go elsewhere. Your dishonesty is an affront to God.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

          • Yet most bible translations say “Circle” and not “sphere.” If it were Sphere the translations would say sphere, but they dont. You are not the expert you think you are. You merely arrogate scriptural authority to yourself.

            And again, precisely which waters ABOVE are separated by the firmament?

            Bible: the earth is fixed and immovable. You and pseudo-science: the earth is a ball rocket spinning at 1000 mph, circling sun at 666000 mph, circling Milky Way at 1 mil mph and MW real costing thru universe at millions of mph. Yeah right!

            You are deceived.

            Marco Polo

          • Hi Marco Polo,

            So, you don’t know the Hebrew behind the word ‘circle’.

            Do you even KNOW the Hebrew word for circle? As in disc?

            No?

            It’s… no, I won’t bother. You are in love with your delusions and lies. So, I won’t take the time.

            Please take your delusions elsewhere Mr. Fisher. I’m not interested in dealing with people who love lies more than the truth.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little
            omegashock.com

  2. Hi John,

    I see some good observations in your article.

    I would recommend that you view Tim Osterholm’s page (Sound Christian dot com) “Table of Nations” as a first step in identifying Magog. Tim has done some excellent work in this matter.

    Every one of Noah’s grandsons founded numerous nations. Or at least numerous tribes.

    As you noted Gomer was the father of 3 sons, Togarmah, Ashkenaz, and Riphath. Togarmah was the founder of the Turkmen tribes, who are spread eastward from Turkey to the Uighurs of western China. They have major representation in places like Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, etc.

    Ashkenaz was the father of the Germanic tribes, which include nations like Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Holland, France, and England! You can bet that these nations will join Russia in their attack on Israel!

    The Ashkenazi Jews are NOT descended from Ashkenaz, but they lived WITH the descendants of Ashkenaz for many centuries!

    Riphath was the father of the Celtic tribes, which identifies them as Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Brittany of France, and Catalonia of Spain. This is interesting considering Spain appears to be descended from Javan. I wonder if this means a split between Catalonia and Spain?

    The name for Welsh is Gomerad, or Kemerad, which actually contains the name of their Patriarch!

    For sure, though, the bulk of the Celts will also join this war!

    The name the Hungarians call themselves is “Magyr”. I think this also identifies them as descendants of Magog. Further it is known that Finland and Hungary were once one tribe which split somewhere around 3,000 years ago.

    The descendants of Noah were not uniform groups at the dispersion at Babel; Some times a young man would go with his in-laws, and other times he went with his parents, and brought his wife along.

    It does not appear that the Magogites are one uniform language group; Some of them are Slavic speakers, while others speak variations of the Hungarian/Finnish tongue (Finns and Hungarians can’t speak to each other; 3,000 years of separation has changed their language too much for that, but they do share a common language structure)

    It appears that the Magogites intermarried frequently with the descendants of Meshech and Tubal, and ended up fairly close to their cousins, in a ring surrounding Russia.

    So the nations of Magog most likely include Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Bulgaria, and others. That would make me a descendant of Magog, since my father’s side came from Czech.

    Hint; Watch the Visegrad group. I expect it to expand and ultimately break away from the EU to form their own political union! I also expect this union to survive the Millennial reign, to ultimately lead the final rebellion shortly before the destruction of this planet!

    There is a city in Eastern Russia called Tobolsk, and also a Tubal river. I think it is safe to say that Tubal’s descendants settled in this area.

    In the general area of western Russia there are many localities with names based on Meshech, such as Moscow, for instance. The Moskovites themselves do not remember where the name came from, but I think it is safe to conclude that they are descendants of this man.

    As you noted Javan and Tiras are not part of this coalition. I expect them to be aligned with Israel, and thus to actually suffer some destruction when these armies attack. If they broker a peace deal between Israel and the Arabs after the Psalm 83 war, you can expect their capital city, Rome, to suffer destruction as the armies are advancing!

    No, Javan and Tiras are not the nations of the Antichrist, just a patsy! A stand-in to deflect attention from the Antichrist!

    • Hi Daniel Knezacek,

      That looks interesting, and I shall spend some time looking at it.

      Now, since you have taken the time to write an interesting article on your website about Adding to Scripture – and the fact that it’s a sin – let me offer a couple of challenges to you:

      Psalm 83 War – where are the words in this Psalm that indicate that this is a prophecy?

      PreTrib Rapture – where is the verse in the Bible that specifically describes a pretribulation rapture?

      Please understand that conjecture and innuendo is not allowed. That falls under ‘adding to the Bible’. We are looking for specifics.

      Anyway, great comment, Daniel. I will be thinking about what you shared.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  3. Agreed, the coming war around Israel is the start of WW III. The “magog” war in Revelations is the final battle and appears to be more alien than human?
    Five times in Revelations it tells us we must have the Name of the Creator on our forehead – called the Shema seal – Rev 3:12; 7:3; 9:4; 14:1 and 22:4.

  4. Hi John,
    thanks, great thought-provoking article, thanks!
    Strange thing, I’ve recently learned, that the geographical names used in Ezekiel were not so controversial 100-150 years ago. Now, our “knowledge has increased”, but we somehow decided to forget some of them. Just look:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japheth
    and the map:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Noahsworld_map_Version2.png
    For those of us who do not respect Wiki as a source (which is fully understandable), I found another, from 1868:
    https://archive.org/details/bibleatlasofmaps00soci
    There is a pdf link on the right (download section), please open it, the map on page 16 (you may need to rotate it in your Adobe Reader). The detailed map commentary (interesting by itself) starts on page 17.
    I’m certainly not in position to decide if this Atlas is ultimately correct (not my area of research, tu put it mildly). But IF it is, we may conclude that:
    -Madai is Persia, Islamic Republic of Iran.
    -Magog is Russian Federation.
    -In current situation it is obvious why Javan and Tiras are out of the coalition; I can hardly imagine, what it would take to convince these countries to invade Israel.

    Erdogan – I’m sure he would love to take the leading role in Magog coalition, but there is a problem: “hooks in jaws”. He doesn’t need them, not a single one. He is eager, willing and convinced to “liberate Jerusalem”, just take a look at Turkish sources.
    As for Russia, I dare to say they don’t care of Jerusalem and Israel so much. If there is a realistic proposal stating that the US is kicked out of Middle East, Russia is given control over Saudis and Emirates, but Jerusalem is handed to the Jews OR Australian Aborigens, the Russians would only ask which options gives them more profits. Then they would go for it. That country is not a “gas station”, as some say. It is one big optimisation algorithm, that definitely needs “hooks” to be steered into a place which it will percieve as “maximal profit” or “minimized damage” (or: acceptable multi-criterion solution for both).
    And that feature fits with Ezekiel 38, that’s just my humble opinion.
    Yours in Christ
    Chris

    • Hi Chris,

      Excellent points and that pdf looks interesting. I’ve already read through a couple of pages – in addition to looking at the maps – and I find the explanations to be compelling.

      The other thing is the Scythians. They seem to be the only descendant of Magog that we know of. No one indicates a different group of people. And, if the Scythians are Magog, then we MUST conclude that the Land of Magog is Russia. The Scythians were all over the place, north of the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. Just because the Slavs absorbed the Scythians, changes nothing about where their land was – the Land of Magog.

      Anyway, excellent contribution, Chris. Thank you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      PS. Multiple posts are always welcome.

      • Good morning to y’all – lovely weather here. What hype will be today?
        Bright minds figuring out for us what to think of Gog and Magog?
        God and Maga? Russia or Turkey? Do we really need to know where they are in this global, international community?
        The Bible seems to be hiding information, when we try to determine locations.
        But, the Bible is very clear about the character, or personality, or the number of a name.
        Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. Why is this important?
        More about character: that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 2 Thessalonians 2:9. The point here is the position of Jesus Christ our Lord. He is the king. He knows exactly where ‘whatever his name is’ will come from.

        This knowledge is not revealed. Maybe the generals get a hint (about a location), we must understand the character of the evil one,

        to resist and overcome (the evil one) and follow the General of generals (Jesus) through death. By listening to His Words. See: Revelation 22:1
        Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,
        in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants (Good Gracious!) will serve Him; they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.

        • Hi Peter Schilperoord,

          I’m sorry, but you have quite a few things mixed up here.

          First of all, you are mixing the Gog and Magog of Revelation that happens at the END of the Millennium, with the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel that happens BEFORE – long before – the Antichrist arrives.

          How much time is there between the Gog and Magog of Revelation and the New Heaven and New Earth?

          No time. No time at all.

          How much time MUST come after the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel?

          Minimum: Seven Years.

          Second: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Gog is the Antichrist. Nowhere.

          Third: When God mentions a land and a place, He’s giving us a clue. We should pay attention to such clues and seek to understand them.

          Please think this through, Peter. I know that it can be confusing, but the truth CAN be found.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

          • Not so fast, John.

            I like reading about the investigations. Where you see a clue, please go for it. Nobody is confused or mixed up.

  5. I read that Greg Hunter article with Armstrong, and I think the scarier quote is this:

    “Once you start seeing the cracks in Europe, you are going to see interest rates rise faster than you have ever contemplated in your life.”

    I’ve mentioned this before, and here I go again – it reminds me of that vision David Wilkerson had, where the economic stuff he saw had its beginning in Europe, and then spread elsewhere. I keep looking at that book from time to time, and more and more of it is coming true.

  6. Hi John!

    Here is some more ammo to prove a post trib rapture :o)

    Most bible teachers have no idea there is a distinct year after the 7 years of tribulation but this year called the “day of the Lord” is before the millennium even though the scriptures clearly prove this.

    Please take a few minutes and consider my short link on the subject:

    [LINK DELETED BY JL]

    Love in CHRIST! Rob

    PS ~ Please also consider this link as more and more people are also discovering the true relationship between the Father, His Spirit, and His Son Jesus:

    [LINK DELETED BY JL]

    • Hi Rob,

      Your last link scares me. Not for myself, but for you. Your eternal life is in great jeopardy. Please, please reconsider your position. You have tried to untangle the ‘mystery of God’ (Rev 10:7) and gone completely off the rails.

      Please understand that Jesus is God and Equal to the Father – Philippians 2:6.

      And, if you deny this…

      7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

      – 2 John 7

      Rob, whether you realize it or not, you have denied Christ and are antichrist. You must repent of this quickly, before judgment comes into your life.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      • Don’t you think it is very disingenuous to delete my links as if the Holy Spirit can not lead each and everyone of us as Christians away from error and into truth:

        John 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

        The “mystery of God” is Christ and He is promised to be revealed in each one of us who seek Him which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

        Colossians 2:2-3 that their hearts may be comforted, they being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, that they may know the mystery of God, even Christ, (3) in whom are all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge hidden.

        Colossians 1:15-17 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; (16) for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; (17) and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

        Colossians 1:25-28 whereof I was made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which was given me to you-ward, to fulfil the word of God, (26) even the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but now hath it been manifested to his saints, (27) to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (28) whom we proclaim, admonishing every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ;

        The passage you mention in your comment does not say “who is God” but does say Christ “who existing in the form of God”:

        Philippians 2:5-11 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, (7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; (8) and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross. (9) Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; (10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth, (11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

        The offspring of God the Father would obviously be a son of God and thus a God as this link clearly exerts but you seem to think your readers can not discern the scriptures without your control:

        [LINK DELETED BY JL]

        Please answer me why Jesus calls His Father “my God” 4 times in Revelation 3:12 which was not delivered to John on the isle of Patmos until around 96 AD which is a full 60 years after Jesus went to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father:

        Revelation 3:12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

        Love in CHRIST! Rob

        • Hi Rob,

          I will not allow this site to become a purveyor of heresy, especially a damnable heresy that calls into question the very deity of Christ.

          Christ is without beginning or end.

          Christ is equal to the Father.

          Christ is the CREATOR!

          How can you ignore this?

          I am astounded that you could call yourself a Christian, yet reject these things. The only explanation that I can think of is that you have fallen FROM Christ and are only led by your ‘intellect’.

          You must repent Rob, before it is too late. You have rejected Christ, so Christ has rejected YOU. My hope is that your condition is temporary.

          Your in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

  7. Uhmmm John? Paul Benson has tons of literature on pre-trib. I mean he tears it up quite well. Rob might do well to check out the bucket full of holes, and Paul goes back to the subject (religiously?) frequently. Not being deceived isn’t as easy as it sounds.

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