The Rapture Verdict – A Review

I’m always on the lookout for those who transcend the constraints of popular thought and allow the Holy Spirit to direct their understanding of the Last Days. I have found very, very few who have enough of that ‘Last Days’ understanding to be able to give them more than the briefest of mentions.

Well, I can now say that I’ve found one name that is worthy of great commendation:

Michael Snyder

I bought his latest book – The Rapture Verdict – a few days ago, and blasted through it. I wanted to see if I could recommend it to you.

I am glad to say that I can.


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The Rapture Verdict – A Review

In these days of deception, telling the truth will get you in trouble. Our churches have become breeding grounds of an awful feel-good theology. Our pastors and leaders have become proud and arrogant. Our brothers and sisters have chosen disobedience and the pleasures of this world, instead of a humble obedience to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

So, I find it remarkable when someone stands up and proclaims the truth, no matter what the cost to himself. You will find the names of many such brothers and sisters in my writing, and now I get to add the name of another:

Michael T. Snyder

Years ago, when he started writing about the troubles of America and the rest of the world, I wasn’t sure who Michael was. Over time, he demonstrated himself to be a good brother in Christ who was concerned about the physical and spiritual welfare of the Body of Christ. And then, he sacrificed his legal career to engage in his work full-time.

It takes a lot of faith and courage to do something like that – and a willingness to pay a very high price. Those of you engaged in the same kind of effort… you know that price all too well.

That willingness to sacrifice demonstrates a commitment to God that all of us should pay attention to. But, willingness to sacrifice doesn’t always mean that you are able to ‘rightly divide the word of truth’ (2 Timothy 2:15). However, I have yet to see Michael make a ‘false step’ in anything that he has written.

Does He Get It?

So, until he wrote the book that I am reviewing here, I always had this thought in my mind… about the Rapture…

Does he get it?

So few do, so I assumed that he didn’t. It’s not a real criticism, since my best friends don’t get it. In fact, the church that I call home… the pastor there doesn’t get it, either. But, I trust the Lord, that He will reveal the truth to these dear brothers and sisters, when the time is right.

Well, I rejoice in being able to say that Michael gets it. In fact, he knocks it out of the park. It’s a home run. A field goal and a slam dunk. All in one.

In fact, you could stop reading this review right now, and go and buy the book. It’s that good.

Now, does it mean that the book is perfect?

Of course not. Nothing that I write is perfect. In fact, I write everything with the firm belief that I am wrong, at least somewhere.

With that in mind, can I find mistakes in what Michael has written?

I’m not sure. After all, there is no reason for me to assume that I’m more correct – or knowledgeable – than Michael is. But, maybe I can add a few hard-won observations.

So, let me try to do that.

Picking the Book Apart

First of all, I benefit from the knowing that the Pretribulation Rapture was wrong, for all of my Christian life. My Dad was taught the Pre-Trib view in Bible college, but he very quickly saw that it was wrong, once he ditched his library of commentaries, and just read the Bible as it was meant to be read.

That happened soon enough so that I would benefit from Dad’s understanding, once I accepted Christ at the ripe old age of six.

Like my Dad, Michael was taught the Pre-Trib rapture, and we all accept what we are taught when we first begin our walk with Christ. Eventually, we reach a point where we realize that there are some things that we were taught that are just plain wrong.

I’ve been through several of those moments, and they are often wrenching and painful – especially for someone like myself. I’ve always been a doggedly determined so-and-so, and getting me to change my mind takes a lot of work. God’s had to beat me up a time or two, ‘cuz I often won’t listen any other way.

Michael seems to be a more willing to listen to what God is telling him, so he might not have needed as much chastening:

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

 – Hebrews 12:5-6

But, it is one thing to have known all of your life that the Pretribulation Rapture was a lie. It’s another thing to have believed that it was true, and then come out of that lie and see the truth. THAT is a much bigger deal.

The Love Of The Truth

So, as you read The Rapture Verdict, I want you to understand that you are reading a book written by someone who believe in the Pretribulation Rapture, and WANTED to believe in the Pretribulation Rapture. There was no reason for Michael to discard this false belief, other than a love of the truth.

And, that’s really the point, isn’t it?

The love of the truth.

The Tone Of The Book

Notice also that Michael is a far more loving and forgiving person than myself. He doesn’t call down this person or that person for teaching lies. He doesn’t attack false teachers for the lies that they teach. He merely demonstrates the truth in love.

I believe that there is a greater need for such gentle souls in the Body of Christ, than for the ‘Hellfire and Damnation’ types like me. Although, I believe that both are needed.

All of that is to say that the tone of the book is excellent.

The book is also organized in a straightforward way, that covers all of the bases, and he ends the book with a list of the main points. It really demonstrates an organized mind and thoroughness that is needed for a book like this.

In fact, as I look over the book, I can find only one mistake and a handful of possible additions.

Jacob’s Trouble

I don’t know anyone who gets Jeremiah 30 right. Of course, there’s a limit to my knowledge, so I’m sure that there are others out there who DO get Jeremiah 30 right. I hope that you are one of them.

Most people describe Jeremiah 30 as talking about the Tribulation and the coming of the Antichrist. For most of my life, that is how I felt about it, so you certainly have an excuse if you feel the same way.

In fact, it was only over the past few years, that I realized that Jeremiah 30 was talking about the Salvation of Israel, YEARS before the coming of the Antichrist and The Great Tribulation. In fact, it was only two years ago – now, almost three – that I had that huge epiphany, in which all the pieces fell into place, resulting in  Ezekiel’s Fire.

Now, that I’ve seen Michael Snyder’s efforts, I will need to update Ezekiel’s Fire, to point people to another view than just my own.

Why do I say all this?

Because Michael mentions Jacob’s Trouble, which is here:

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

 – Jeremiah 30:7

Michael equates Jacob’s Trouble with the Great Tribulation, and that is completely understandable, since commentators for centuries have been claiming that it is the Great Tribulation.

But, ask yourself this:

Is that what Jeremiah 30 talks about?

No, it’s not. It talks about the return of Israel to God. The salvation of Israel.

Furthermore, when you look at all the other passages that are clearly about the salvation of Israel, a picture emerges of great destruction and death, before the salvation of Israel – at the time of the salvation of Israel.


The salvation of Israel happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation. And, that is a vital point to see, because you will not be ready for what happens, if you do not see it.

You will also confuse the Gog and Magog in Revelation, with the Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and 39. In fact, a whole HOST of mistakes will be made if you place Jacob’s Trouble in with the Great Tribulation.

I know, ‘cuz I made most of those mistakes.

In fact, if any of you have a personal connection with Michael Snyder, tell him that I’d like to talk to him via email – or any other means – about this. He’s on the right track, and I would like his input. I would also like to add my own input to his work.

In fact, I would dearly love for him to take this prophecy of a Superflare and run with it. I certainly would love to see how he puts the pieces together.

For those of you who do not know my email address already, it is:

john [at] omegashock dot com

I will try to reach out to him, myself, but I would appreciate whatever you can do to help make the connection.


Here is where I nitpick and worry over inconsequentials. I’m a bit of a worrywart when it comes to interpretation of the Bible, and I’ve seen many people go off the rails by following the wrong line of reasoning. The fact that I’ve been off the rails a time or two just adds impetuous to my pickiness.

So, take everything that I say here with a grain of salt. I am well aware that I tend to go overboard, and that I could be wrong myself.

The Word For Rapture

There is a limit to all that you can put into a book, so this is a very tiny quibble.

The word Rapture comes from the Latin, Rapturo – which means ‘caught up’. The Greek version of that word is ‘Harpazo‘, which also means ‘caught up’, but also involuntarily – by force.

When you are Harpazo’d, you don’t have a choice in the matter. You are picked up and carried away – which is exactly what The Rapture is. When God sends His angels out to pick us all up, we will be grabbed and carried away.

We see the use of Harpazo, here:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 – 1 Thessalonians 4:17

The words ‘shall be caught up’ is this word:




The Greek letter Alpha (α) has an ‘ah’ sound, but when you add a Dasia (‘) it indicates ‘rough breathing’ – or, an ‘H’ sound. So, ἁ actually sounds like ‘ha’.

I say all that because I keep getting my Greek confused. It’s been a long time since I really studied it.

Like I said, adding Harpazo to the discussion is nice, but not necessary.

Although, I find it interesting that the Pretribbers don’t like to talk about the one verse in the Bible that actually uses the Greek form of Rapturo.


Because – as Michael Snyder so skillfully illustrates – it is connected with the resurrection, and there’s only one of those for the children of God. Connecting the Rapture to the Resurrection is vital and important, and Michael does it very well.

The Feast Days

Michael makes a point about connecting the Holy Days of the Old Testament with the Return of Jesus. That connection makes me uncomfortable for a couple of reasons, and I might be completely wrong in both of those reasons.

First, it’s not actually said in the Bible that these Holy Days are connected with The Second Coming. Michael is not being dogmatic when he makes his points, so it’s not a criticism. He has a personal belief that the key events of the Last Days will correspond to important and relevant holy days.

I’m unsure, but more than willing to consider that he might be right. I certainly do not dismiss his points, and will carefully consider them.

Second, I’m worried about Judaizing. Jesus inferred that in the Last Days, there would be Judaizers that would force us to follow the Old Testament laws. The key verse is this one:

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

 – Matthew 24:20

The fact that we will have trouble fleeing on Shabbat, means that Judaizers will make it difficult to move about when The Great Tribulation comes. They will have imposed ‘Sabbath Laws’.

Having lived in Israel for a considerable amount of time, I have had the opportunity to see Christians take up ‘The Law’ and make it a part of their Christian walk. It always grieves me to see it, because it puts those Christians under a bondage that they cannot possibly handle.

I love the Jewish people passionately, and I look for the day when they will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. That day will be wonderful. They will have the promise of eternal life, and they will be freed from the shackles of the Torah.

Many have written to me about the need to follow the Law, and I understand that desire. But, if you seek to follow one of the laws, you must follow all of them. And, we aren’t talking about the Ten Commandments here. We’re talking about all 613 laws.

Read Galatians. That letter from Paul to the church at Galatia is really all that you need to know about following the Law.

Of course, Michael Snyder isn’t advocating the following of the Old Testament Law. He’s merely pointing out a spiritual pattern that seems to point to the time when Jesus will return.

But… In The Clouds

Oh, one point in Michael’s favor about the ‘feast days’ in the Fall. When it says that Jesus will come in the clouds (Matthew 24:30), I can definitively say that there are no clouds in Israel during the summer. Only in the late Fall, the winter, or in the early Spring do we see clouds in Israel. For the rest of the year, they have the clearest and bluest skies you can imagine.

So, the mention of Jesus returning ‘in the clouds’ could rule out the summer and point us towards those feast days that DO occur when there are normally clouds.

Awesome point.

The Last Trump

Is the Seventh Trumpet in  Revelation 11, the Last Trump (1 Corinthians 15:52) when the Resurrection happens?

I have been resisting that idea for a long time and am still resisting it… but …Michael makes an excellent case for it. So, I find my resistance crumbling.

Having read this book, I am now more prepared to believe that the Seventh Trumpet in Revelation 11 is the Last Trump in 1st Corinthians.


I am SO hard-headed.

Day of the Lord

Michael makes the point that every time you see the phrase ‘day of the lord’, it always means the Second Coming. I believe that there is truth to that, and that AT LEAST MOST of the phrases that mention the ‘day of the lord’ are actually talking about the return of Jesus.

But, can we be so categorical?

Well, here’s a search of all the terms with the exact phrase, ‘day of the lord’:

Michael might be right.

What do YOU think?

The Millennium

This is not a ‘quibble’.

It’s an outright praise!

I opened Michael’s book with trepidation, because most who reject the Pretribulation Rapture… also reject Revelation 20 and the Millennium. Most anti-pretribbers rip out Revelation 20 and say that there is no Millennium.

Some say that we are IN the Millennium right now.

Some say that there will be no Millennium.

Both are taking away from the Book of Revelation and are causing themselves to be erased from the Book of Life. And yes, you heard me (read me?) right. If you believe that there will be no literal Millennium, or that we are in the Millennium…

If you believe that…

…especially if you teach it…

…you have been removed from the Book of Life.

Here are two of the scariest verses in the Bible, in terms of Revelation:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 – Revelation 22:18-19

Please, Please, PLEASE do NOT take ANYTHING AWAY FROM REVELATION. You MUST believe everything that Revelation says. If you delete ANYTHING, you will not be with us in Heaven.

Will you go to Hell?

I guess that you would have to.

Please be afraid of that.

Please believe everything that Revelation says. There will be a literal thousand year reign on Earth, by Christ. It will be AFTER the Tribulation.

To say otherwise is to put a question mark over your eternal destiny.

Now, there’s also the sin of ADDING to Revelation. I believe that the Pretribbers are doing that. They will still go to heaven, but they will suffer for it.

Do NOT add to the Book of Revelation. DO NOT.

I do not want you to suffer. I really don’t.

Tekiah Gedolah

Okay, now I’m REALLY making an issue over something minor. But, I’m a picky guy, so I can’t help myself.

I speak Hebrew. Not wonderfully well, but I do speak it – enough to do the normal chores a modern person needs to do in Israel.

So, when Michael said that Tekiah Gedolah means Last Trump… um …that Hebrew speaking part of me recoiled with a bit of Yiddish:

Oy, VEH!

This is the Hebrew:

תקיעה גדולה

תקיעה – trumpet blast or blare

גדולה – big, large

It literally means, The Big Trumpet Blast.

Having played the trumpet in High School, my תקיעה גדולה would be more of an ugly BLAT. So, I’m hardly an expert on big trumpet blasts.

No Man Knows The Day Or The Hour

This is the first time that I have heard anyone speak of ‘Rosh Hashanah’ as the “Hidden Feast”, with the idea that no one could really know when Rosh Hashanah would occur.

I’ve been through something like 15 Rosh Hashanahs in Israel, without seeing any difficulty figuring out when it would occur. But, then again, I wasn’t living among the Ultra-orthodox Jews, although I have friends who are.

Of course, that brings up the danger of interpreting the Bible through the lens of the rabbis. I’ve seen some Christians do that, and I cannot tell you how bad an idea that is. Judaism is not true to the Bible. If you consult Judaism to understand the Old Testament, you will go off the rails very quickly.

Don’t do it. Please.

Now, I’m not saying that Michael does that here. I don’t know his sources for his information, and I am not discounting his interpretation. He might be right.

All that I’m saying is that no one should consult with the rabbis to understand these things.

I love the Jewish people. I might even have the tiniest respect for fact that their religion kept them together so that they could return to Israel.

But, the Rabbis are pure poison.

Do NOT listen to the Rabbis. Do NOT. Whatever truth they have is mixed with the deadliest toxin. It WILL destroy you.

But, I kinda like the point that Michael makes, when he talks about not knowing the day or hour when the Lord would return. I don’t have a strong opinion on it. I just don’t want anyone to fall into the trap of consulting with Rabbis.

The Jesuits

When Michael Snyder talks about the history of the Pretribulation Rapture idea, he starts with Edward Irving, The Irvingites, Margaret MacDonald, and John Darby.

It’s a good place to start, and most who want to dissect the history of the Pretribulation Rapture idea, are forced to start there – unless they accidentally stumble over a deeper history.

I believe that the true source of the Pretribulation Rapture idea comes from Chilean Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza, who wrote under a pseudonym. Lacunza’s book was written in Spanish and was picked up by Irving. Irving was so excited by the ideas in that book that he learned Spanish so that he could translate it.

Lacunza might also have been basing his work on a couple of other Jesuits from a couple of hundred years earlier. They wrote in Latin, and no one knew about their work until long after all of this blew up.

Whatever the case, the Jesuits are involved with this lie, and they are also the ones who were tasked with destroying the Protestant Reformation. And, I believe that this Pretrib lie was a part of that effort.

The Jesuits are a vile and evil bunch. You can read more here:

Or, just go here:

Seriously, stay away from those Satanists. And yes, that is who they worship and follow.


Okay, I think that I’ve done enough criticism. The few possible errors that I might (or might not) have identified are trivial by comparison to the important work that Michael Snyder has done here.

I cannot emphasize enough the need for Pretribbers to read this book. For those of you who struggle with trying to understand which position is right… you need to read this book. If you have friends who are Pretribbers, and you want to be able to answer them… you need to read this book. If you want a good launching point written in a kind, gentle and loving way… you need to read this book.

If you want a wild-haired, hellfire and damnation view… you need to read my book:

But, do you REALLY want to start with that?

Okay, yes, you DO need to read my book. But, I believe that you will also appreciate what Michael has done here.

Furthermore, buying Michael’s book will be helping to support the incredibly valuable ministry that Michael and Meranda Snyder are engaged in. They are doing a wonderful job, and I hope that you will give them whatever support you can.

So, when you buy The Rapture Verdict, use this link:

I believe that link will give Michael a bit extra income. At least, I think so.

(All the links to The Rapture Verdict on this page have that link.)

Again, I hope that you will reach out to Michael and tell him that I would love to talk to him.

May the Lord God bless all of you in truth and righteousness. May He light your path and keep you safe in the days ahead. And, when the Rapture comes, I look forward to seeing all of you at the throne of Christ.

(I’ll be the ridiculous, tall white-haired guy, waving his arms too much –
standing with the adorable Taiwanese woman.



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89 thoughts on “The Rapture Verdict – A Review”

  1. So you believe then based on his book that the Lord God Almighty is going to drag His spotless, blameless bride (Eph 5:27) through the perils of the Tribulation?

    You think then that He will allow His eternal bride to be beaten up by the judgments originally slated for the Jews according to Dan 9? What again happened to Lot and Noah? They were removed before or saved out of the judgments that befell the wickedness and evil of mankind.

    Although this isn’t an issue of salvation the thought of such twisting of scripture to is absurd!

    Please read all of the Bible to gain the full perspective in numerous scriptures on how the catching away of the bride will be. Then turn your attention to the ancient Jewish Wedding ceremony to see an exact parallel of the rapture of His Bride.

    Finally, as most of our “Prophecy Scholars” don’t do – get very familiar with the Jewish/Hebrew roots of our faith.


    • Hi Phil,

      I’m sorry that you addressed NOTHING that was said, or that I said.

      For two thousand years, ‘The Bride’ has been beaten, persecuted and murdered. It’s what it means to be a part of the ‘Body of Christ’.

      You expect us to suffer any less?

      I am surprised. No, I’m shocked at the shallowness of your ‘thinking’.

      We will suffer the persecution of the Antichrist, which is what you are really talking about. The Wrath of God comes AFTER THE SEVENTH TRUMPET. And, it is the Seventh Trumpet that Michael Snyder (and the Bible) points to our Rapture/Resurrection.

      But, as my lovely wife says, “You Americans!”

      Do you honestly think that God is going to reward us for our slovenly and lax ways?

      Do you honestly think that we will escape the persecution that we so richly deserve?

      We American Christians have become worldly, fat, slovenly and incoherent. We have corrupted the Body of Christ, and then think that God will pull us out of harm’s way – when divorce, abortion and pornography usage are just a little lower in our churches, than outside them.

      You need to get out into the rest of the world, Phil, and see what REAL Christianity is like. THEY die daily. Our turn is coming.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Hi there John,

        Yes, Christians since the time of Christ have suffered immensely, cruely and terribly but you are missing a key phrase – a key word that none of us have ever experienced and will not in the future – “the Wrath of God”.

        Have you not read Nahum 1:2-6 His wrath is reserved for His enemies John. Are we His enemies?

        Or 1 Th 1:9-10. His Wrath is yet to come and He will not drag His holy and spotless Bride through it.

        Have you not read Rev 3:10 – “…saving us from the hour to come…”or 1 Th 5:9 – “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,.” (KJV)

        What do these scriptures mean to you?

        The wrath of God starts in Rev 6:17 – “7 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” (KJV). This comes kinda before the 7th Trumpet.

        Please take some time and learn all of the truth by studying some of our Hebraic roots – you know the topic that many of our “armchair” eschatologists, pastors and priests refuse to study and preach thinking it irrelevant.

        When you study just exactly what is meant by the “Last Trump” you will understand clearly how this applies to the rapture. And don’t forget the Feasts of the Lord – Lev 23. They are equally reflective of His first coming and His second coming. We can know the times and seasons.

        And how about that Jewish Wedding Ceremony parallel? See the relevance?

        Come on John, we should spent less time on “books” and more time on reading His word and learning all the truth scripture contains.


        • Hi Phil,

          You completely dodge all the arguments that completely and utterly disprove the pretribulation rapture and try to distract us from the core issues, with your foolish notions.

          God is able to save us from the wrath to come, just as He saved Israel in the Land of Goshen. You seem to forget that.

          I completely demolish every one of your arguments here:

          I show in that link above, that the following WILL and MUST happen before the Rapture:

          The Antichrist must come before the Rapture

          The Tribulation must come before the Rapture

          The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture

          Jesus Must Return before the Rapture

          The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)

          You have added to the Book of Revelation, and so God will add to your life, the plagues of the Book of Revelation. You have chosen a foolish lie, over the truth. And, it grieves my heart to see it.

          As for reading the Bible, I’ve carefully read it through more than 20 times. And, this is the very first commentary that I ever recall reading, much less commenting on.

          Humble yourself before the Lord, Phil, and repent. God is not pleased with the lies that you teach as truth.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • No lies here John, only the truth. But for those that are not open to the truth, deceit remains.

            Your interpretation of the how’s, when’s and why’s of the Rapture are incorrect and I hope one day you will come to the knowledge of the truth. But it’s not an issue with our salvation, so by all means believe what you like.

            However, I will pray that your eyes may be opened to the truth. But I do not condemn you as you do me.

            For if you stand and proclaim your interpretation is the ONLY correct truth then your position speaks for itself. Ever read 2 Pet 1:20, John? If not, I highly recommend this scripture to you.

            Receive the truth in the Word of God – it’s simple and easy, His yoke is light and not hard. His truths easy to understand if you seek Him with all your heart, mind and soul.

            P.S. I wasn’t aware that you knew God’s thoughts and His ways – who He is pleased with or who He isn’t.

            Perhaps one day, we’ll meet in heaven and all this will be behind

            Grace and peace,

          • Hi Phil,

            You did not even bother to answer my points. Not even one.

            They are succinct and accurate proof that what you teach is a lie. You do not have any verse that proves a pretrib rapture, not a single one.

            And I have many. Each of those verses CLEARLY proves the Pretrib Rapture to be a lie. Yet, you will not look at them. How morally bankrupt.


            And yes, I know the mind of Christ, for He reveals His mind in the Bible. And, He is displeased with those who teach lies and not the truth. Who lead silly women, captive.

            And yes, I am very angry because of the obscene damage that you are doing by spreading this lie. You attempt to disarm those who seek to prepare. You preach peace and safety, when sudden destruction comes. You entrap the unwary with false words of easy escape. How utterly vile to do this to our brothers and sisters in Christ.

            One day, Phil, those who believed the lies will turn to you and ask why you did this to them.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • Hi John and Phil!
            Quite the exchange!
            Two things I learned years ago:
            Benjamin Franklin once said “If I am right 50% of the time, I am doing well!”
            I don’t think I am nearly as intelligent as that man was. So, until we are in our glorified forms, I would submit that we are prone to mistakes just as much as sin.
            Second, if I come to you with fists clenched, what will your reaction be? Bet you will be getting ready for a fight also. When this happens, there can be no exchange of ideas, only an exchange of abuse. Is this how Christ would have us treat each-other?
            I once sat down for six one hour sessions with a JW missionary and tried to argue them out of that cult.
            It did not work.
            It did not matter how right I was or how wrong they were, my arguments were viewed as a direct assault upon the personality of that JW, because that individual had poured all their lives and countless hours into that cult. Until you can make a personal connection and have God working with you there is no way you can make a break through in a situation like that. They won’t care how much you know until then know how much you care!
            Now end times prophecies are quite complicated and the last time I went through it, a little over a year ago, it took over thirty hours of study time, and since I can’t even remember why I am supposed to take my genki-loba(sp?) or remember how to spell it, I KNOW I have forgotten bits and pieces of that study since then. Point being this is a very tough subject to discuss over a blog.

            Last thing I would like to point out, and maybe introduce a shift in your thought process.
            Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”
            Does scripture describe the kingdom of heaven or heaven itself as having a gate?
            What does this mean?
            If you look at Satan’s head carefully, you will see a nasty bruise! And a small bruise upon the heel of Christ. This happened when our savior Jesus Christ was crucified, buried then rose from the dead. Satan, that covering cherub is defending a gate! NOT US! We are supposed to be on offence! Sharing the gospel and winning soles for Christ! Not snipping at each-other!
            I hope this note finds both of you well!

          • Hi Michael,

            I appreciate your call for peace, and I welcome such efforts in the Body of Christ.

            However, this does NOT give us permission to paper over heresy, or allow that heresy to damage the lives of brothers and sisters.

            Before I started this ministry, I rarely said one word about the rapture. In fact, when I began, I did my best to avoid the subject. Unfortunately, the subject would not avoid me.

            Like it or not, the Last Days began 49 years ago. The end of the Last Days approaches, and we have a choice to make:

            Will we stand upon empty theories?


            Will we obey the Lord in His command that we pray, watch and prepare?

            We can endeavor to be at peace with each other, but not at the expense of the Truth.

            I have a friend who is a pastor of a church in Indiana. And, a coward. He knows that the Pretrib Rapture is a lie, but he won’t teach it. He had ME teach it.

            Like I said, a coward.

            We strive for unity in the truth. And, that is a good thing.

            But, to strive for unity in lies?

            THAT is abomination!

            We are in the Last Days, Michael. Do you know where you will be standing when the end arrives?

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • Hi John;
            I made it through the first chapter of Ezekiel’s Fire. Great job expounding on the erroneous elements that make up the rickety rapture theory. I will be giving more consideration to the Jesuit influence angle as I have not yet looked at that area. Very interesting stuff.
            I thought I might re-blog Chapter one of you book on my blogpage, or maybe a few paragraphs and a read more link back to your site on my rapture deception page. You deal with the issue in a clear and concise manner. I think people need to read it!

            TO Phil;
            One of the strongest factors that caused me to leave the pre-trib rapture theory behind, was the actual preaching of the theory by folks like you who make nothing but unsubstantiated claims, point to extra-biblical ‘proof’, and refuse to examine or intelligently discuss solid evidence presented by others. You are more convincing of the post-trib position than the pre-trib with the things you present.

          • Hi John!
            I do agree with you that we are nearing the tribulation period. How close? Don’t know, but we are closer today than we were yesterday. Could it happen within the next year or so? Definitely. Timing is in God’s hands, and it will be perfectly timed!
            Not to open up a new debate but, I still believe the pre-tribulation rapture and from that perspective I say prepare!
            We still have to get through the wars, earthquakes and famines don’t we?
            If I am wrong, I will still be ready to go on. If you are wrong, we get to cheer our Savior on from the bleachers!
            As we have discussed a little before, another sign post I think we might want to be on the look out for is a possible massive wave of Jews headed for Israel. We have already established that anti-Semitism and anti-Christianity is on the rise, but I think it is going to get much worse! Now here in the US we have our own government bringing in thousands of radical Islamists every day. Couple that with the make believe economy, the political shenanigans and the possibility of a major earthquake hitting the west coast of North America of up to 9.2 magnitude. (Check out the Stan Deyo interview at
            I think it is not too hard to see we are in for an interesting summer, as you have said in a previous article. When things start to go sideways the denser the population, the worse the situation will be. I think these things could drive the Jews, in New York City for instance, to go to Israel.
            One of the things I learned while studying Genesis a while back was that until the flood, there was no such thing as rain.
            No Rain?!
            That is right! Rain did not exist prior to the flood. So, based on what we know now your solar flare theory I think is a good one. But what other new thing is God preparing that we don’t know about?
            Two last things in closing:
            First, Paul tells us in Romans 12 be not conformed to this world and to live in peace with others. We as Christians have life. Life attracts, death repels.
            Where do I stand, same place as you I think, with Christ. We were not saved by our words or deeds but by His death and resurrection. We were purchased by His blood. God made us all, but chose us for salvation and how many others for destruction? Still having trouble getting my brain wrapped around that one!
            Hope this note finds you and yours well!

          • Hi Michael,

            Well said brother.

            As long as you prepare the best that you can, that’s all that I really care about for now. We can compare notes when we get to the other side of this.

            As for all of your other points… I repeat, ‘well said’.

            Keep up the good work, Michael!

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • Hi John.
            isn’t there something to the 7 seals not being called ‘seals of the wrath of God’, and the 7 trumps likewise not being called the ‘trumpets of the wrath of God’ but yet the 7 vials ARE called specifically the ‘vials of the wrath of God’ rev 15:1 and 7 and 16:1?

            I read it and notice that the seals aren’t called wrath nor the trumps but the vials are.

            same as the ‘souls’ of rev 6 and the ‘souls’ of rev 20 and both the rev 6 and rev 20’ers are also described in how they died as opposed to the group beyond number of rev 7 who are oddly not called souls and does not describe how they died but it does take the time to describe the hardships they suffered like hunger and thirst and this same group is seen again in rev 15 and again they are not called souls, unlike those souls of rev 6 and souls of rev 20.
            And they came out of the GREAT tribulation (matthew 24:15-21 has the best short summary of when the great trib even starts=abomination of desolation=THEN Great tribulation), so this rev 7 group of not souls came out of that, not before, can’t come out of what one isn’t in huh and can’t overcome the mark and worship of the beast mandate if one wasn’t on earth when the worship mandate went forth, and again rev 15 we see them in heaven just prior to the 7 vials of the wrath of God and it fits with the famous ‘not appointed to wrath’.

            and rev 6:16-17 and the men hiding in holes saying hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and the wrath of the Lamb…yet we see events still unfold in there timing after that day when men hiding in holes cry out, so is it that that’s what men will say in that time yet the 7 vials of wrath are still to come and not immediately poured out on that day but before that the 7 trumps judgements are blown.

            the rev 15 group=simply described as ‘them that had gotten the victory…’, it’s almost as if we’re supposed to know who this ‘them’ group is, as if we’d already been introduced to them.
            Is why I wonder if we were already introduced to them back in rev 7 with ‘these are they which came out of the great tribulation…’
  , nobody ever brings into it the rev 15 group, but there they are!

          • John, be careful calling the Pre-trib Rapture a lie. It is one of the interpretations or views of the timing of the Rapture along with Mid-Trib and Post-Trib views.

            You can choose and believe one view but give respect to the other views. Don’t call them a “lie” just because they differ in interpretation to yours.

      • John Little,
        From your reasoning as to why the bride will suffer under the reign of AC it seems you really are a legalist. You say, “She deserves it because she somehow has not measured up to the “spotless bride” standard”. Really? You think she is considered spotless because of something **she** did?

        Jesus died to settle the issue of sin’s salve mastery and it’s consequences. No matter what some may think is “deserved”. The world got what God wanted for it. Jesus. Since before the foundation of the world God had this planned, right?

        Her spotlessness is purely and solely the work of Christ on the cross and his resurrection + nothing. Abraham believed God=righteous. I am sure you know this, and it is why I am also sure that you will agree that your comment to Phil was less than Biblical in this regard.

        I do however believe the church will be removed forcibly and unexpectedly from the earth, and just as forcibly as Lot was from sodom. Or Enoch from earth. Etc… I don’t see anything voluntary about those examples. Unless you believe as do I that their trust in God is the “voluntary” part.

        But, niether do I believe it is a matter of salvation. It is a discussion that believers can have without one’s salvation coming into question. No matter what side of the issue one clings a to.

        But, for me it will be the blessed hope, the **escape** from the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble. Luke 21:36. Israel is saved at the end of the trib. Not before. Why else would they “look upon Him whom they have pierced…”? That is when they are saved. Unless of course they have come to faith before the great trib. In that case they will go with the church in the rapture.


        • Hi Edwitness,

          Sorry, you can’t have it both ways.

          Look at the Body of Christ in America.

          Are you going to tell me that ‘The Bride’ is spotless?

          Don’t think so. Not at all.

          But, as all pretribbers do, you are dodging the main question. Jesus said that we would be raptured AFTER the Tribulation. Not before. After. Paul said that the rapture would occur closely after the resurrection. Not before. After.

          Throw as many words at me as you want – and pretribbers do – but you cannot escape the clear issue of TIMING.

          Furthermore, I never said that it was an issue of salvation. But, it is one of sin. It is a sin to hold to the pretribulation rapture lie.

          You have sinned in this, Edwitness. As your brother in Christ, I must call you to repent of this.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

    • Phil;
      A few points.
      1. Our doctrine as Christians is to come from the Word of God not Jewish Traditions or Fables. Titus 1:14
      2. Where was Lot when God destroyed the entire plain of Jordan and 4 of its 5 cities? Right smack in the middle of the plain in the fifth city (Zoar) which was spared because of Lot’s intercession. God’s wrath being poured out all around him, but he was safe as can be. Doesn’t exactly paint a picture of a rapture, does it?
      3. Noah rode upon the waters of God’s wrath in a vessel of safety, then landed back on terra firma. He never left the planet; and neither will we.
      4.Are you aware that Dispensational theology (upon which rapture theory depends) teaches that the Jewish nation is Jehovah’s Bride and the Church is Jesus Bride? (they say God has two Brides!?!) Your own declaration (and rapture theory) accuses Jehovah of the abuse Christ is supposedly saving his Bride from with a pre-trib rapture! Your reasoning is quite flawed here.
      5. You suggested John read all the Bible to get a full perspective of the catching away of the Bride. I have been studying the Scriptures for over 35 years looking for Scripture passages plainly stating the various elements of the rapture theory, but with no success. If you ever happen to find them could you drop me a line?
      I have written two books on this rapture issue which I offer for free download on my site. I would be pleased to offer them to you for your consideration. You might be surprised at how conclusive the proof is that the rapture theory is incorrect. It is a lie, and as such a defilement to those who embrace it. I encourage you to examine my free materials and rethink your position.
      May the Lord sanctify us all through his truth, and cleanse us from every false way.
      Thank you again John for all your hard work.

  2. I love your writing style! You always make me smirk or raise my eyebrows or even laugh out loud in short bursts. Thanks for another great article. I used to be pre-trib. In fact, I was mid-trib and pre-wrath for brief moments too. I’ve been post-trib for a while now, and I even got militant for a while, but now I’m mellowing. I realized that however it happens, it will be EXACTLY like the Bible says it will happen. We just may not know what that will look like until we get there. It has been a while since I’ve dug in deep to a good book — the last one was Jonathan Cahn’s sequel. I think I might just have to fire up my Kindle later today. 🙂

  3. John, I have read your review, but not Michael’s book, at least not yet. SO FAR, in reading many views against the pre-trib position, I have YET to read ANY that gives Marvin Rosenthal the credit he deserves for starting the whole “anti-pre-trib” movement with his astounding book, THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. Don’t get me wrong, I am not quibling with your writings, in fact I find them very good, I am just pointing out that Rosenthal seems to be completely forgotten for his ground-breaking and courageous book. My copy is dated 1990 and he was far and away the true pioneer of the movement. Please get a copy and read it, you will be glad you did.

    • Hi Dick Carmack,

      I had not heard of Marvin Rosenthal until just a couple (or a few?) years ago, and many have come to the same conclusions as Marvin – without knowing that he had made them earlier.

      Having said that, Marvin DOES deserve high praise for boldly standing for the truth, when it was a very unpopular thing to do. He certainly deserves kudos from me. And, I thank you for raising that point.

      One day, I’m sure that my own contribution to the idea of Ezekiel’s Fire will be eclipsed by other writers more capable than myself. They will forget that I wrote about it first (or second?). But, they will have made sure that the Body of Christ knows about what is coming and is prepared.

      That’s my hope, anyway.

      The main thing is the message. Our truest credit comes from God. At best, we are merely saying what God has already said.

      However, as you say, we should be giving credit to those who came before us, so your point is a good one, Dick. May God bless Marvin Rosenthal for his service to the Body of Christ.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  4. Enjoy your posts John. A couple of points to consider.
    1. re: “let your flight not be on a sabbath…”
    – if there is **strict** Jewish Old Testament law or Noahide law in force at the time the warning of Jesus applies, would it be UNLAWFUL to travel on the Jewish Sabbath in Israel? (in the context of Matt. 24).
    2. RE: Harpazo.
    I have studied two words used and confused by “pre-tribbers”.
    harpazo as you note is sudden and even forceful.
    The other word MISUSED from passages such as Rev. 4:1 is “anabaino” which means to ascend, in a more leisurely manner such as smoke rising..
    I have addressed these in regard to Rev. 4:1 in my blog also.

    • Hi rory moore,

      Actually, if Jewish law were strictly applied, it would be strictly unlawful to walk more than a few blocks on the Sabbath. In the Ultra-Orthodox areas of Jerusalem, they’ll throw stones at you, if you drive through their areas.

      And, an interesting point about ‘anabaino’.

      Keep up the good work, Rory!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  5. So good to see more Christians awakening to the truth.
    Being raised hard core Catholic ,K-12, altar boy, choir boy, living 2 block from St. Marys Cathedral in Miami, often on call for wedding and funerals , an uncle who was a Catholic missionary to Ivory Coast, Africa, aunt who was a nun…
    Getting saved and coming out of dead religion, I prayed for Jesus to teach me and lead me, not men.
    I fell into the Hal Lindsey early rapture deception but the Lord was faithful and taught me the truth as I had asked Him to do.

    Well, now that more Christians know they will be around for the difficult times, my hope is that there will be more boldness and more fear of God, less fear of man.

    In Germany during the Third Reich there were few Christians who took a stand and most were like they are today, silent and in hiding.
    We know the testimony of Corrie Ten Boom in the Nazi death camp for her and her family’s helping the Jews.
    There was another very small group of young German’s (White Rose) who took a costly stand while the majority, terrorized by fear, intimidated by the Third Reich remained silent.

    This is the time to pray for the strength to stand in the coming dark hour.
    It’s only temporary.

    ‘Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.’
    Matthew 10:28

  6. “Since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses…” (Heb. 12:1)
    This is the verse which has come to my mind every time I read, “Behold, He is coming with the clouds”.
    How many water droplets in a cloud? Probably about as many as there will be witnesses in the air to Jesus’ coming. Probably about as many as there are witnesses who surround us believers. I don’t know. If the writer of Hebrews hadn’t said it, it probably would never have occurred to me. A lot of the Bible is like that.
    An interesting exercise when reading the Bible is, “finish this sentence”. Start out with a sentence in the Bible and stop halfway through. Then finish the sentence as you would normally expect it to finish. Often times the Bible ends the sentence in a very unexpected way. That’s because the Lord’s thoughts are higher than ours, as the heavens are higher than the earth.
    Anyway, I’m rambling. If “the clouds” refers to saints rather than water droplets, then Rev. 1:7 doesn’t preclude His coming in the summer. But I also think He’ll come in the fall, probably on the Feast of Trumpets. But I don’t want to be dogmatic about it. We’ve got bigger fish to fry!
    Like leading a holy and Godly life; like following the Lord day by day; like being conformed to His image. Like (to finish the sentence in Hebrews), “(laying) aside every weight, and the sin which so easily entangles us, and (running) with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of God.”
    Good report, John. Blessings to you.
    Oh–just occurred to me. Both Samuel and Elijah invoked clouds and rain during a normally rainless time. There IS Biblical precedent. So they may very well be natural clouds. In the summer. Just another thought. 🙂

  7. Hi John,

    I’m on Facebook with both Michael and Meranda, so I will let him know you wrote this great article, and would like to contact him. It sounds like an important book , so I need to read it! And, good reminder about not changing Revelation…a scary thought indeed!

    God Bless!

  8. Thanks John, I pray a book like this will be used by the Lord to redirect confused children of God, and allow them to begin taking a more personal, deeper look into Gods word and let the Spirit lead them to the truth, and perhaps stop listening to the many False teachers in churches and TV. As for myself, I like your straight forward style, no holds barred form. Thanks, I always look forward to you weekly post, I’m glad I did not have to wait a whole week to read this one. Tom M.

  9. John,

    I just sent the link to this article and a message to Michael today. Hopefully you’ll hear from him soon 🙂 Also, if you want to see him discuss it on video here is the link to Jim Bakker’s shows where you can see all the shows with Michael. Last weeks shows with Michael aired last week. He’s been on numerous times over the past several months.

    Jim Bakker has been trying to get the same message out- that the pre-trib doctrine is false, and we need to be prepared !!.

    PS I agree with Greek Texan- I enjoy your writing- it’s as if we’re talking face to face. I feel your humor, concern and other emotions very well. Always a good read 🙂

  10. Brother John,
    Thanks for making us aware of another testimony to the truth behind this Rapture doctrine. I look forward to reading it and hope it is at least partly as eloquent as your testimony in “Ezekiel’s Fire”.
    Unlike some, I believe the issue is not trivial. Don’t be a foolish virgin!
    I read the Bible- all of it- daily. I start at the beginning and go to the end. You cannot learn and grow from something you never read. You cannot understand God’s will fully until you learn how he works in every situation. There is much I do not understand fully- the more I learn, the more I realize I have more to learn- but the way I read it, is pretty much the same way as you Brother John.
    There is going to be a singular “Jesus moment”. His triumphant return in the clouds, the rising of the just from the graves, and the gathering of the saints- all the just souls past and present- all in an instant.
    Hallelujah God is good!

    My avatar thingy over there by my name is Ezekiel’s fire hitting the statue of Liberty. I know it’s small but you can make it out.

    Beware false prophets!

    your Brother in Christ,

  11. I don’t think that His bride is spotless or blameless. We have a lot to repent for, one of those things being pride. Jesus clearly said in Matthew 24:29, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it’s light…” He will come in the clouds in those days and one will be taken and the other one left. The early Christians were not protected from persecution by Rome. Protestants weren’t protected from the Catholic Church and it’s army of Jesuits during the Reformation. Christians are already being beheaded in the Middle East and N. Africa so we in this country need to wake up and be ready for whatever the tribulation brings.

  12. Good Morning from South Korea!

    I am a professor in South Korea, working on my Ph.D. in Advanced Prophetics. I wrote my thesis from a Pre-Wrath/The Sixth Seal point of view. However, after having read Michael’s book, ALL the pieces have been put together – it’s at the end, along with the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. I have read over 500 books on Eschatology, and am in the process of devouring what the Reformers/Protestants believed. I think we are all in for a SHOCK! I am a firm believer that God is very organized and will follow the script which He laid out for Israel, i.e. the Feasts/Harvests. The world does NOT and will NOT know the day or the hour, but I believe we can see what’s coming and be glad! Thanks for your website! Know that you have a brother in Christ over here in South Korea teaching English as well as the Bible!

    • Hi Justin Prock,

      Ni hao from THIS side of the Pacific!

      I’m glad to hear that the book is helping you with your Ph.D.

      Just please be careful with all those commentaries. There’s a LOT of garbage in there. Lots and lots.

      Remember that the Bible is not a scholarly work, but a letter from God to His rather-less-than-sharp sheep.

      Thank you, Justin! I’m sure that I speak for all of us, in looking forward to hearing from Dr. Prock – when that happens.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  13. Gee John,

    You seem to have “cut off” my replies on the original comment/reply thread. Wonder why? Ummmm…

    I had created a lengthy reply to you but why? Clearly now, this has become a waste of time.

    Your mind is set and nothing I say will change it. I, as I said before, will pray for you to know and be set free with God’s truth.


    • Hi Phil,

      I’m sorry, but I’m responsible to God for whatever appears on this site. The heresy that you teach is destructive to the Body of Christ and promotes a ‘peace and safety’ attitude among our spiritually less mature brothers and sisters.

      Paul specifically warned the church about people like yourself:

      For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

      – 1 Thessalonians 5:3

      This pretribulation rapture lie is from Satan and is a vile and evil thing. One day, you will stand before a holy God and give answer for what you do here. You weaken our fellow Christians and make them vulnerable to the designs of Satan, and I will not allow that on this website.

      I wish that I could be less strident in this opinion, but it is the truth.

      If we were not in the Last Days, I could afford to be less vehement in my approach. But, time is short, and there is very little time left for foolishness.

      I pray that you repent, Phil. Otherwise, the judgment of God lies in your future.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • Phil:

      John Little is an **excellent** writer who is, I believe, most of the time, led by the Holy Spirit of God.

      However, as you do, Phil, I also **sharply disagree** with John concerning his views on the Rapture, because I believe in the pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church as well.

      Also, Phil, I DID leave a reply earlier here complimenting you on your explanation of the pre-Tribulation Rapture; but, it seems that John “cut off’ my reply as well.


      • Hi Steve L.,

        To be led by the Holy Spirit ‘most of the time’ is a compliment that I will keep.

        As for your belief in a Pretrib Rapture, as long as you prepare, I don’t mind that you hold this heresy. It is a distortion of the Bible, and all such distortions are upsetting to me, but it will not bar you from heaven. If you prepare, you will eventually see the truth.

        If you do not prepare, you will die.

        As for your deleted reply, this comment section is not for antics and ‘high fives’. Nor will this comment section be a forum for heresy. There are forums for that, elsewhere.

        Thank you, Steve.

        Yours in Christ,

        John Little

  14. If the seventh trump that John saw is the last trump that Paul mentioned, then Paul was given the seven trumpet judgement vision before John. I wonder why Paul the apostle to the Gentiles didn’t mention anything about the other six blasts of judgement that will happen to the Gentile church. That would have been big news. Did the author address that?

  15. Dear John:
    ( no this isn’t a dear John letter. No way I’m letting you go since I found you! )

    I discovered you during the Ted Broer affair and will never forget the courageous stand you took in that mess. I know it cost you much. Many big names were tarnished and compromised in that maze of deceit but you came out shining and clean. I salute you my Brother in Christ.
    In regard to the rapture, I like many was first exposed to the pre-trib “theory” by the writings of Hal Lindsey back in the 70’s. I bought into it but was always troubled because I personally could not make it work scripturally. I now see it as an end time heresy that will render multitudes unable to endure and overcome the trials to come.
    I have not read Michael Snyders book but will.
    Another great and comprehensive book debunking the pre-trib rapture is “The Rapture- End Time Plan For The Church In Retreat” by Dr. Danny Morano. Available in ebook at or Amazon

    Herb Whittard
    Charleston SC

    • Hi Herb Whittard,

      Thank you for those kind words. It actually would have taken MORE effort to ignore the attacks upon Nathan Leal, than to actually expose them for what they were. I am now more concerned for Donna and how quiet things are at his website.

      Thank you for that recommendation. It is always good to see such. I did a quick search of his site, and it’s good to know that he has not torn out Revelation 20. So many post-tribbers do that, so it’s a relief to see that he does not.

      However, I do see this:

      That worries me a bit. My hope is that he has not gone down the path of rejecting God’s work in Israel and with Israel. If he does that, he and his followers will suffer for it, and I would not want anyone to go through that.

      Of course, he may not be, but it is something to be concerned about.

      Thank you, Herb, for passing that along to us!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  16. Why is this such an either/or question? The predominant belief among Evangelical Protestants after 1830 is that Christians will be taken alive into heaven some time before the last seven years of the Age. For a number of years, I believed this would occur at the midpoint of the last seven years. Should you Google “rapture/resurrection theories”, the first page of results all point to the end of the Age when Jesus returns to earth in power and glory. There are very good scriptural evidences for all three positions, especially the first and the last. Whenever I see this, I suspect they all are true in some sense. One must look at the scriptures describing the end of the Age and discriminate between the various classes of people involved. 1Corinthians 15: 22-24 tells us as much: In Christ, all shall be made alive, but each one in his own order: Christ the first-fruits, afterwards those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end.


    • Hi Marie White,

      I am so sorry to delete all that you wrote. You obviously put a lot of time into it, and are very passionate about your position. I think that I understand what you are saying vis a vis the feasts, the harvests, etc. The fact that you are passionate about those things is to your credit.

      You love the Lord, and this is a very good thing.

      However, your position does not stand up to scriptural analysis. Please understand that there is only one resurrection of the righteous. Only one, and it will happen ONLY just before the rapture. As Paul said, the dead in Christ rise first.

      Jesus Himself said that the Rapture happens at the time of His Return. Not before.

      Jesus also said that the Tribulation must come before the Rapture.

      There’s more, but that’s enough. The point is that we MUST accept the words of Our Lord and Savior above all others. And, we must also accept the words of Our Lord’s chosen apostles. To reject these words is to rebel against God.

      I believe that the pretrib lie is an open rebellion against God. God laid out the events of the Last Days, and the Pretribbers are deliberately rejecting those words.

      To paraphrase Michael Snyder, the truth isn’t that difficult.

      Read Michael’s book, if you can. Again, it’s here:

      If you don’t have the money for that, you can find my own effort here:

      We must love the truth, even if it hurts are own treasured ideas. In fact… especially if it hurts our treasured ideas, since those are usually idolatry.

      Thank you again for the time and effort that you put into your comment, Marie. I hope that you will one day see what the truth is on this issue.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • My problem isn’t that I am attached to any one idea of the rapture/resurrection. I have already changed my position on it. My problem is why it has to be so divisive an issue among believers. You say pre-trib believers are going to suffer punishments and deniers of the Millennium are damned. That is a very extreme position. My explanations show how people believing dogmatically in any one of the 3 positions, including you, are right in what you affirm and wrong in what you deny. Only one resurrection?! How can you be so sure? There has already been more than one resurrection. What happened to those saints that rose from the dead at Jesus’ resurrection? (Matthew 27:52-53)
        I agree the devil uses the pre-trib rapture idea to promote a serious lie that the church will not suffer tribulation. There will be a severe tribulation for the remnant church before the rapture. Even beyond that, I think Satan’s strategy with this and the mark of the beast is to eliminate all true humans from the face of the earth so there is no one left for the Millennial reign. Therefore, we Christians should be preparing for off-grid living not only for ourselves, but for those left behind. I feel responsible for our future subjects even before we return to earth to reign with Christ. Remember, heaven is not our permanent home. Planet earth is.

        • Hi Marie White,

          Unfortunately, as error continues to increase, truth will become more and more divisive. People do not WANT to believe the truth. The truth is painful. It hurts. It doesn’t preserve our cherished notions.

          The problem is that the Bible is either all right, or all wrong. There is no in-between. If you deny that there will be a Millennium, then you have torn out Revelation 20, and God is very clear about what will happen to you, should you do that.

          Remember that error has consequences. Those that claim that there is a Pretribulation Rapture… well, there are consequences for getting that wrong – meaning that you will be unprepared for what comes. In fact, the millions of Christians that died in China and Africa over the past centurey all suffered those consequences, because foolish missionaries told them that God would never allow anything bad to happen to them.

          We must love the Truth. We disobey God, if we do not.

          As for our permanent home, I understand your point, but the Earth that you speak of is not this Earth. Remember that there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth. THAT will be our home.

          You must love the Truth, Marie. Only THAT will allow us to serve God in the way that He wishes us to.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  17. My family’s pastor has been very passionate about getting his flock ready for the future. He, too, saw the folly of the pre-tribulation doctrine. From what my mother reported, his sermons, delivered in near desperation, during the past few weeks, has been for people to open their eyes to the reality of our days, get in the Word as much as one can, repent of their sins, return to their first love and be as bold as one needs to be (Prov 28:1).

    Last Tuesday (April 26), as he was opening his back door, he dropped dead from a sudden heart attack. He was only 50. I reminded my mother to take heed to the words of a dying man as she relayed to me the above account.

    Two days ago, I was informed that roughly 9% of adult Christians hold a scriptural worldview:

    The above Barna article was written in 2009. Considering what has transpired over the past five years, it is clear Yahweh’s people are not listening. I am studying the major prophets with my oldest child. I see the parallels, and it’s heartbreaking.

    In light of the aforementioned events, I felt the grieving heart of the Most High regarding the spiritual state of His people. Messiah asked this question, “Will I find faith when I return?” Luke 18. I want to do all I can to ensure that as for me and my house, we will serve Yahweh, so, that we may be counted among those who hold unto faith when Messiah returns.

    How about anyone else?

    • Hi TL2,

      WOW. I’m only a year away from your family’s pastor.

      That… um …gives me chills.

      This pastor had obviously completed his task, and went home to be with the Lord. And, as I look at what is coming, I often think of how much better it would be for me to avoid all of that suffering – and have the Lord take me home early.

      And, I must confess, that I’ve asked the Lord to do that for me A LOT. But, at the same time, I know that I have a job to do, and I do not want it to be left undone. I’m not a quitter, so I will stay as healthy as I can, for as long as I can, to do as much as I can.

      God might still take me home early, but I will do my best to stick around.

      As for the Barna article… YEOW. Just thinking about that makes my heart hurt.

      God bless you, TL2. I hope that you will be a shining light in the darkness that’s coming. In fact, I’m willing to bet on it – if I did such things.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  18. Jesus did not mention the harpazo of the church in Mat 24 because the church was still a mystery hidden only to be revealed by Paul’s ministry to the Gentiles after the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The gospel that Jesus and the disciples preached was the gospel of the kingdom not the gospel of our salvation made possible by His atoning work on the cross because that hadn’t happened yet. Nowhere does Jesus say the snatching away happens before, during or after the trib because it was part of the “mystery” of the church that did not yet exist. ” Behold, I show you a mystery we shall not all sleep…..” Could it also be that we shall not also see the trib? I agree, we may see the a/c because he may show up at the beginning of the trib. As far as the “falling away”, I think that has been underway for sometime.

    • Hi Bob Gianamore,

      I’m more than a little shocked by your comment, and I need to push down my outrage with the knowledge that this is your teacher and pastor talking. You only know what you were taught, and I often forget that when people say such things.

      Jesus SPECIFICALLY spoke of the Rapture after the Tribulation. It was exceptionally clear. To say otherwise… well, it means that you haven’t read what Jesus said. Please, read it. You’ll find it in Matthew 24.

      Here’s the key passage:

      Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

      And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

      And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      Matthew 24:29-31

      Take the text in bold:

      Immediately after the tribulation of those days he shall send his angels, and they shall gather together his elect

      What part of that was so hard to understand?

      It is completely and utterly obvious. To deny that is to rebel against God. That’s a sin, and it must be repented of.

      And your points about the gospel… Please, stop this heresy. I’m seeing more and more of this heresy spread among the Pretribbers. They go so far as to say that Jesus was for the Gentiles, that Jesus was not the Messiah for the Jews.


      I am truly sickened by this. God help us all. We are in such deep trouble.

      It appears to me that to protect their idolatrous veneration of this pretribulation rapture lie, they have gone deeper and deeper into heresy. I am truly and utterly appalled. This is so evil.

      Bob, you might have come by this belief, because someone that you love has taught it to you. But, it’s a lie. It’s heresy, and you must repent of this. You must, or you will suffer for it.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Replacement theology followers need to re-read Romans 11, with MUCH fear and trembling. Paul was very clear that some of the natural branches were cut off (as in dead) so the non-Jews may be grafted in. To be blunt, Jewish people died, physically and spiritually, so that we could be grafted in. They were temporarily blinded for OUR benefit!! Non-Jews need to tread very lightly in this regard, for as Paul also said, if the natural branches were not spared, what makes the wild branches convinced they will be? How arrogant!!! The natural branches can and will be grafted back in (think about that, what did it take for the wild branches to be grated in?) much more readily, and how much more fruit they will bear!

        Also, I sure hope the writer merely misquoted himself regarding the whole kingdom and salvation thing. Accepting Messiah is our Saviour, as our King, gives us access to the Kingdom, sort of like a passport. That is not just good news, it is great news! Without salvation, there is no entry into the Kingdom.

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  20. John,

    I have severely truncated this response to satisfy your 300 word rule. I was surprised to read that you think I am a replacement theology proponent. God has not forsaken His people. They are the apple of His eye and He will fulfill all of the promises He made to them.

    I believe that the OT was written to Jews, about Jews and what God has promised them. The four gospels were written to Jews about Jews and to confirm His promises to them. Rom 15:8

    The epistles of Peter, James and John who were the apostles to the Jews, were written to the Jewish synagogues (churches) of their day, about the coming earthly kingdom of Christ. Paul the apostle to the Gentiles wrote to the Gentile church about a heavenly kingdom in Christ that is theirs after they receive the gospel of grace. Gal 2:9 and 1Cor 15:1-4.

    I also believe that Daniel wrote to the Jews about future events that will happen to them. The book of Revelation written by John the apostle to the Jews, wrote it to the seven Jewish synagogues that existed at the time. They were not Gentile churches and I don’t believe the open door to heaven and the “come up hither” is the rapture. Revelation was an expansion and confirmation of what Daniel wrote to the Jewish people because they will be on earth during the trib. When the dispensation of grace ends on earth, so does the body of Christ.

    I have read Mat 24 and believed as you do until I zeroed in on where the angels are gathering the elect from. The four winds of heaven ONLY. These are those already in heaven who have already died in Christ and who have been previously snatched away from earth.

    • Hi Bob Gianamore,

      Unfortunately, you are so deep into this, that you cannot see how wrong it is. So, I have to remind myself that your teachers bear the greater sin in this. But, it is hard to contain my fundamental outrage.

      What the pretribbers are saying is that…

      1. …God was different in the OT, than in the NT

      2. …The Messiah spoken of in the OT is not Jesus

      3. …Jesus did not die for the Jews

      4. …Mosaic Covenant (MC) was equal to, if not superior to, faith in Christ

      5. …The MC did not point to the coming Messiah

      6. …that the old covenant did not point to a better one (Heb 8:6)


      This is a foul heresy that denies the eternally sufficient sacrifice of our Lord and Savior on the Cross.

      Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

      – Acts 4:12

      The Pretribbers implicitly deny that.

      I have to try and keep myself calm as I write this, because Pretribbers do not realize what they are saying. This is one of the reasons why I believe that Michael Snyder is a better voice than mine. He is far more gentle in spirit than myself. My outrage over this is almost too much for me to contain.

      You MUST put off this Jesuit lie, Bob. You must, before the coming judgment of God. God is not pleased with heresy.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John,

        You are assuming all pretribbers believe what you say they believe. I’ve never believed anything in that 6 point list you made and neither do any pretribber I personally know.

        That may be why you’re having a problem keeping calm. Too many assumptions.

        Tune into Les Feldick ministries on the Internet. He can explain what I believe better than I can. He claims he has been labeled a heretic too. He doesn’t believe any of that nonsense in your 6 point list either.

        Yours in Christ………bob

        • Hi Bob,

          Unfortunately, the fact that you don’t realize that you are saying this does not mean that you are not. However, some DO understand and even embrace them. Just listen to John Hagee, here:

          I’ve already had several pretribbers tell me that Jesus did not die for the Jews. Hagee says that the Jews don’t need Jesus.

          The Pretrib position requires that The Law, The Mosaic Covenant be sufficient in the eyes of God, yet God says otherwise:

          And, there’s more than just Hebrews 8.

          I could go on, but I won’t. This already grieves me too much.

          Bob, you must open your eyes. Holding to a lie and calling it truth, is a sin. You must repent of this.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

      • John,
        I am a pre-tribber and do not prescribe to one of those on your list of what pre-tribbers are saying. Where do you get this?


        • Hi Edwitness,

          Since I am moderating all comments, you could not have seen Bob’s same question, along with my answer. So, this ‘repeat question’ is my fault, not yours.

          So, read my answer, but make sure that you listen to one of the greatest proponents of the pretrib rapture, John Hagee:

          I think that says A LOT. Complete and horrifying heresy.

          Again, Ed, you may not have realized that belief in the pretrib lie… was a lie …but now you have proof. Belief in a lie – knowingly – is a sin.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

    • BOB;
      You are making some serious errors in your comments brother. The ‘promise’ of the O.T. was not originally given to the Jews, but to a man named Abraham before there even was a Jewish nation. That promise was to his ‘seed’ which Paul revealed was Christ! (Gal. 3:16) And that because we are in Christ WE are also that promised ‘seed’. (Gal. 3:20)

      Gal 3:7-8 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

      Bob, the entire Bible is the Gospel of Christ, written to all people. There is no other plan. To say the Church was plan B (as dispensational error dictates) is utter nonsense.

      YOU SAID: I zeroed in on where the angels are gathering the elect from. The four winds of heaven ONLY. These are those already in heaven who have already died in Christ and who have been previously snatched away from earth.
      You should have read Mark’s account and got a little more info: Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
      This is not a description of the pre-trib rapture, but the resurrection of the Just and our gathering together unto Christ at the Second Coming. There is no previous event.
      The pre-trib / dispensationalists are reeking havoc with your believe system. I pray for your deliverance from that error.

  21. John, after more than 40 years of studying the Word of God and reading countless books about the coming of the Lord, I still have many questions concerning the Rapture, and I’m sorry to say that your interpretation of scripture does not satisfy me either.
    Did you ever consider what the two angels said to the disciples when Jesus was taken up into heaven? “This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven”.
    But in Revelation 19:11-16 He is coming on a white horse with the armies of heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, they followed Him on white horses
    ( those who followed Him look to me like believers, not angels).
    The main thing I want to emphasize is, Jesus is at that time not coming as He went to heaven. Please understand that I’m not defending the pre-tribulation believe, I am just not quite sure yet. There are other options, but I’m not ready to talk about that.

    • Hi David Bald,

      I respect that. It is certainly not an issue that determines your salvation.

      My concern is that you prepare for the difficult days ahead. We’ll compare notes when the current batch of events plays itself out.

      Just remember that the question is about TIMING. And, the Bible is clear on that.

      Thank you, David. I appreciate your approach to this. May our Lord guide you through His Holy Spirit.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  22. John,
    Preparing for difficult times is a given. Only a fool would go on as if nothing is happening with all that is going on in the world today. But, that is no reason to get all worked up over this issue. God is our source and protection. He knows we are flawed. It is His power that enables us to endure during difficult times, right?

    So it seems to me you can relax in your militant attitude toward those who hold to the pre-trib view. After all we do not wrestle with flesh and blood. Legalism will make you go off the rails.

    Blessings John :-}

    • Hi Edwitness,

      I should not ‘get worked up’ over a deliberate twisting of the Bible? By the vile Jesuits, no less?

      That is a pretty painful thing to say.

      How can you claim to love the truth and not be outraged by heresy?

      This pretrib lie is heresy. It might not be as bad as other heresies, but it’s a deliberate twisting of the Bible. The Bible is clear about when the rapture happens, but you and other brothers and sisters are willfully blind.

      You have chosen to ignore the verses that I put forward, because you know that you cannot answer them.

      Do you think that God is pleased by this?

      He is not.

      I love the truth with a passion, and I will not shrink from that truth.

      Will you join me in this love of the Truth, Ed?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • Edwitness;
      Your user name declares you to be a ‘witness’.
      You need to seriously reconsider just what it is you are bearing witness to.
      If I had to chose only one reason (and I assure you there are MANY) to reject Dispensational / Pre-trib theology it would be the fact that this pack of lie teaches the Saints of the tribulation time will be saved in a manner other than being born of the Spirit by faith in Christ and his work on the Cross.

      Different teachers put a different spin on this but the bottom line is they are teaching a reverting to the method of Old Testament salvation, and bunching the trib saints with the O.T. Saints as a people of God different from and apart from the Body of Christ. This teaching is outright HERESY and denies the words of Jesus!

      Joh 3:3-5 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

      Rapture theology says the trib saints don’t have the Spirit of God in them as the Church does because he departed the planet, and that they must ‘prove’ their faith by dying for God. To teach that the tribulation Saints are saved by their martyrdom is to say there is another way to be saved other than being born again. THIS IS HERESY! There is no end of the age of grace before the trib.

      Even the O.T. dead had to hear the gospel preached to them by Jesus before they could leave Abraham’s bosom. They had to receive the work of the Cross and the cleansing of the Blood of Jesus the same as us.

      The rapture theory is not just another opinion of end-time events. It is a heresy that denies the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY means of salvation. This lying delusion is a defilement to those who embrace it, and it is something to be repented of!
      God will forgive and cleanse you if you denounce this heretical theology.
      I pray you do;
      (Sorry about the length of the post John)
      In Jesus Christ;


  23. In agreement with your overview of Michael Snyder- a solid voice with sound theology. Lots of folks are into speculation…its just not good. There is too much free association, speculation and vain imagination in “last days” theology. You said it well. Good job.

    When i get time/money i plan to get his book. I regularly read his updates, and link to his work, also. People are either scared of talking about endtimes OR hyper into it (extremes on both sides). People are either paranoid OR trying to make it happen. Needs balanced views and wisdom. Thanks again.

  24. Hi John, been following you for some time. This last shock letter was truncated in my Yahoo mail at about the point you started to mention Turkey and the Muslims

  25. Dear Brother John….I enjoy your blog so much. I was saved in a Bible Church and taught the pre-trib doctrine as a youth. Through reading the scriptures I saw that the teaching was wrong..especially when compared to what Jesus said in Matthew 24 and Rev. 20: 4-5 where the believers who were martyrs during the Great Tribulation are in the FIRST resurrection (now if the dead must rise before we who remain… where does that put the rapture?) I don’t want to seem harsh on my brethren but the arguments about Jesus did it all and we are without spot or blemish does not line up with Jesus’ words to the Churches in Revelation…”but I have this against you. Unless ye repent..”
    I read Michael’s book and it is excellent. I have a few minor points I am still chewing on, but overall it is an excellent word. I left my copy with my Pastor (an AG pretrib one, for him to peruse.) Hopefully it will get him thinking outside the denominational programming matrix). One main problem of the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine is its focus on US rather than HIM. Gods word of prophesy is all about HIM…the Revelation of Jesus…the rapture is just a part of His second coming. The pre-trib doctrine is a subtle but clever refocusing off of the Lord and onto ourselves (much like the slave girl with the Spirit of Divination who focused on the Lord’s servants, Paul and Silus, rather than the Lord). My concern is that if the rapture does not happen as the luke-warm, lazy American church expects, they will feel betrayed and forsake the faith as being false. The Gospel is a universal one, not an exclusive American one…Jesus is not a Republican! How do you tell our Syrian, Iraqi, Egyptian, Libyan Christian brothers that they will be raptured-out before their heads are cut off, when it is happening now!!! And what if His return is delayed for 500 years, will the church continue to kick back and wait with boarding pass in hand or will they get to work while there is still light? What if God judges and destroys America as so may empires in the past have been, will their faith remain….I don’t think so as it is shallow and escapism to the extreme. They will shake their fists at their pastors for not warning them and write off the whole Christian experience. Corey Ten Boom warned years ago that pastors need to teach the flock how to endure under persecution and not to seek comfort, escapism and wealth. We need to toughen up our spirits, minds, emotions, bodies. We need to get ready for the approaching darkness spiritually, mentally, physically, financially, and emotionally. Then we will be able to minister in a time of trouble, give not only spiritual but practical answers to people in need.
    To my pre-trib brethren, we speak these things not out of pride or contention, but as those who were raised in that doctrine and have loving concern about the well being of you and your families in the dark days ahead. Your brother James

  26. Brother john I’ve read all what you reached on the rapture belief/doctrine, my question is, that this doc. began with the catholic Roman church back when the reformation started. Where did you find and get this information, and how can I obtain the info for my research to challenge my pre trib friends. Thanks


  27. Couldn’t the last trumpet of 1 Cor 15:52 be in context following 1 Cor 14:8, “if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle?” I was convinced that, during that time, various trumpet sounds during battle each had a specific purpose; and, the last trumpet sound was a call for the warriors to COME HOME. Sounds good to me (get it? ha). At any rate, there are so many ways to interpret the combination of scriptures to conclude pre-, mid-, or post-tribulation rapture that I believe NO DECISION is the best decision, if unsure. I no man should know the day or hour, then I take it that we are NOT MEANT to KNOW.

    • Hi Pam Grant,

      Yes, the day and hour… but the words of Jesus? Our Lord and Savior?

      Read Matthew 24. THOSE are the words of our Savior, and He said ‘after the Tribulation’.

      Pam, Jesus did not give us permission to ignore HIS words.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  28. Finally a website that agrees with me and what I have espoused for
    sometime concerning a post trib rapture. I have encountered so much
    opposition from pre tribbers online and I watch a certain pastor’s comments
    on the pre trib rapture (each week or two). He has, lately, been calling post tribbers “demonic”
    (a new approach as I feel he is getting angrier with a few people protesting
    his views perhaps, a rare few). He has a big online following all gushing about the pre trib rapture. I have seen him go from calling us (and I feel he meant me
    on one occasion) … things like “misled” or suchlike, (not the exact word perhaps)…now he has progressed to calling post tribbers demonic.

    I gave him some strong comments on his stance, then took my post off later
    in fairness so as not to belittle him. I often pray to the Lord “show me
    what is right and do not let me be deceived”. So far I am clinging to the
    post trib rapture and have for a few years now.
    I am glad to have come across your site John and will share it with others.
    The pre tribbers believe in a few returns of Jesus which just makes me annoyed.
    At every opportunity every week this pastor gets in something about the
    pre trib rapture. He is 101% convinced he is right. Now he says “time will tell”
    and I think for sure! Cool site John, thanks.

  29. Hello John,
    You mentioned the Rapture Verdict book by Michael, I also enjoyed reading it and have been in touch with him. I have a very interesting Study that you may be very interested in that adds to what Michael wrote. One is a Biblical Study on the Rapture and the other is on the Parousia of Jesus. What Email address can I send it to so that you can have a look, I am sure you will be pleasantly surprised and will be amazed at the Harmony of Scripture


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