Sin in the Church

America suffers trouble and distress because our churches have turned their back upon God. They forgot the need to love the truth and obey God. They allowed heresy and sin to creep into their leadership. They became dens of iniquity, full of anger and without care for the suffering of their brethren.

The bitter heart of our churches is bearing fruit. This poisonous and toxic result of our sinful embrace of this life will choke what life is left in America.

Our cup of iniquity is full.

Judgment comes.


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Sin in the Church

My heart is very heavy right now. I am engaged in many spiritual battles on many fronts.

This website is one of those battles.

I know that it may not seem like a spiritual battle to you. After all, I spend a lot of time talking about geopolitics, finance, economics and war.

Where is the spiritual battle in that?

Well, let me put this another way:

If the Christians of two hundred years ago were among us today, you wouldn’t need me to tell you anything.

I am required to stand up and tell you all that I am telling you because your pastors won’t do it. Not can’t. Won’t.

Furthermore, our congregations are so full of this world that those pastors who try to teach the truth… well …they’re shouted down. Unfortunately, I haven’t run into all that many pastors who love the truth enough to try.

Pastors do not talk about sin.

They don’t teach separation from worldliness.

They parrot what they were taught in seminary.

Seminaries Of Unrighteousness

Seminaries are a big reason for why we are in such a big mess. They have become institutions where corruption and heresy is pushed into young and vulnerable minds. Almost every pastor is required to have been to seminary, and I do not know of a single seminary that doesn’t teach a corrupt view of the Bible.

These seminaries have churned out proud, arrogant and sinful pastors who think that they are qualified to pastor a church by the fact that they have earned a piece of paper. They have gone on to turn their churches into dens for wolves, fornication and worldliness.

Our Weak Churches

Can spiritual maturity be found anywhere in our churches?

When God brought me back to the US for a little over three years, I was appalled at the condition that the Body of Christ was in. It was a tattered, stained and threadbare shadow of what it once was. Sin had crept into our churches and was openly practiced among our members.

Those churches that weren’t full of fornication and adultery, were full of anger and hate. Those churches that didn’t fall into either of those camps were so weak that Sunday evening services and Wednesday pray meetings were not to be found.

What happened to our Sunday night services?

What happened to Wednesday night prayer meetings?

Do we do Bible Studies anymore?

I find that churches are doing these ‘life groups’, but there doesn’t seem to be all that much life in them. No one wants to talk about the Bible. No one has a passion for the Word of God.

No Love In Our Churches

Some of you may be lucky to be in a church that does not suffer from what I have detailed above. If that’s true, then you should thank God for having such a great church.

But, do the members love each other?

When the service is over, does everyone race for the door?

Do members stick around and fellowship with each other?

I am grateful that my church does that. We’re pretty small, but it’s sometimes hard to get us out the door because we love to talk to each other.

So, let me ask again:

Do your members love each other?

I have watched several churches destroyed because they replaced love with legalism, suspicion and reproof. The weakest members were picked off, one by one, until there were just a few, cold and dead ‘Christians’ left.

I am worried that I am seeing that happen in a church here in Taiwan, and I am committed to stopping it, if I can. That’s another spiritual battle that I’m involved in, and I can’t really talk about it.

Just pray for the churches here in Taiwan.

Pray for ALL the churches, everywhere.

Nathan Leal – Watchman’s Cry

The other spiritual battle that I’m in, is over what has been happening to Nathan Leal. Up to now, that battle has been mostly with myself. I am upset with what Nathan has been put through, but I must keep myself from acting out of anger.

And yes, I am angry.


I have struggled against injustice, in one form or another, for most of my life. My anger turns white-hot whenever and wherever I find it. And, when I let that anger have it’s way, I tend to cause more trouble than I resolve.

So, my biggest struggle is with myself, to be careful – instead of lashing out. If you find me succeeding here, then praise God, because this is not natural for me.

How I Discovered This Controversy

I first stumbled upon what was happening, pretty much by accident. I saw a comment in an unrelated article and did some searching. What I found was deeply distressing.

Instead of acting in the spirit of love and reconciliation, I see anger, wrath, malice and open war. I do not know all the reasons for this open war, but I know that it is wrong.

I have done my best – up to this point – to ascertain the root cause of all of this. I am still missing some information, and I believe that there is heresy at work in some part of this. Other parts are miscommunication and a lack of trust.

I can understand how miscommunication can happen. In my chosen profession as a writer, my job is often to stamp out miscommunication before it can happen. I’m not sure that I’m the best professional writer out there, but I DO have lots of experience.

Nathan Leal – Unfairly Brutalized

Unfortunately, that experience leads me to the belief that we are allowing Nathan Leal to be unfairly brutalized. And yes, I really do mean ‘brutalized’.

To be fair to those that are doing the ‘brutalizing’, I doubt that they were given the whole picture. Their anger and wrath were inflamed by weak Christians, and a man who has engaged in heresy and deception.

That man of heresy and deception is Ted Broer.

I only name names when the evidence is incontrovertible. I’ve had misgivings about Ted from the first day that I heard him speak. But, my operational area was different from his, so I left it for others to deal with.

Unfortunately, I was requiring Nathan to deal with this – and take the heat.

Naming Names Is Biblical

By the way, if you are appalled at my use of names, don’t be. The Bible names names and takes no prisoners in this area. Those who have taken upon themselves the responsibility of teaching and leadership, will also take upon themselves the need to answer for any heresy or sin that might creep into their lives.

Ted Broer has chosen to be in the limelight and has also chosen to preach heresy, and then lie about it. His sin is obvious and clear. Withholding his name would be a sin on my part.

The Sin Of Ted Broer

Here are the sins and heresies that I have observed:

Bearing false witness

Ted Broer made claims about Nathan Leal that were not true. Nathan came to Ted in peace and concern, and Ted responded with anger and retribution. Nathan’s concerns were valid and correct. Ted lied.

Furthermore, my suspicion is that Ted has engaged in a whispering campaign in an attempt to impugn Nathan’s reputation. I cannot say this with certainty, but I have observed actions by others that can ONLY come from such a ‘whispering campaign’.

It is impossible for there to be so much smoke, with out a fire.

Also, when exposing this heresy, Nathan was initially careful to not give out Ted’s name. Only later on, after following the proper Biblical protocols, did he mention Ted Broer’s name.

Preaching Heresy

Ted Broer made statements on The Hagmann Report that were complete heresy. I do not blame the Hagmanns for not jumping on Ted for this. They have a difficult job to do, and I know how hard it is to catch such things and then deal with them in real-time.

However, Ted Broer knew EXACTLY what he was doing, and then lied about it when he appeared on Dave Hodges’ The Commonsense Show. Dave did not know what Ted originally said, so I do not blame Dave for this.

Here is what Ted Broer said:

He talked about the heart chakra, that it was green so that it could be united with the Universe and connected with the center of the Universe – whereby we could unite with a consciousness and touch God in the 13th dimension.

Sorry, God is NOT in the 13th dimension. There is no ‘Heart Chakra’. It is not green. And, all of that is complete and utter NEW AGE HERESY.

Furthermore, I believe it to be damnable heresy.

Ted went on to say that pineal gland was the Third Eye and the conduit for communication with God.

Excuse me? The pineal gland is the Third Eye?

The pineal gland is NOT the Third Eye. It is NOT the conduit for communication with God.

Ted then went on to say that when the pineal glad was ‘calcified’ you could no longer get in contact with God. You could not reach ‘perfect resonance’ with God.


How can a Christian say that?!

He went on to say that the reason why they are fluoridating our water is so that the pineal gland will be calcified, so that we cannot communicate with God.

I’m sorry, but that’s just plain disgusting. But, I am reporting this exactly as I heard it.

He went on to say that we live in a hologram.

Sorry, but that’s the same foolishness that David Icke keeps preaching. If you like Icke, you will like Ted.

Ted Broer said that Jesus is a CLONE OF GOD THE FATHER and that Adam is a CLONE OF JESUS!! He said that Jesus did NOT come from an egg from Mary, that God the Father placed an EMBRYO in the womb of Mary. Ted Broer was saying that Jesus did NOT get 50% of His DNA from Mary.

Basically, Ted Broer was saying that Jesus did not come in the flesh.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 – 1 John 4:3

If you are saying that Jesus was a CLONE of God the Father, you are saying that Jesus did not come in the flesh.

By making those ‘Clone’ statements, Ted was actually saying that Adam was God.

Lying To The Body Of Christ

Nathan Leal did the right thing by going directly to Ted Broer and asking him about his use of New Age terminology. Later on, when Ted was on with Dave Hodges on the Commonsense Show, he lied about his statements on The Hagmann Report.

Ted claimed that his use of the term ‘Heart Chakra’ was a physiological term and that he used it in that way.

I listened to Ted’s statements on The Hagmann Report.

I listened to Ted’s statement on The Commonsense Show.

Ted Broer is clearly and absolutely lying. In fact, he is so clearly lying that I’m shocked that only Nathan caught him in this lie.

He even had the gall to say to Dave Hodges that he had no familiarity with New Age philosophy.

Reproving Unfruitful Works Of Darkness

What do you do when you catch someone lying to the Body of Christ?

You expose those lies.


People were upset with Nathan Leal because his exposure of those lies has put the conference in Dallas in question.

Well, I’m sorry that they feel that way. But, Paul has something to say about that:

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

 – Ephesians 5:11

Nathan Leal did EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO. And, for that reason, I have put his website and ministry on my list of recommended websites.

If the conference in Dallas is to be blessed by God, it cannot be allowed to have ANY fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.

By his own words, Ted Broer has demonstrated to all that his works are of darkness, and that they must be reproved. In fact, this demonstration is so convincing to me, that there is a question in my mind about his place in eternity.

I am not the judge of any man’s salvation, but Jesus said:

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 – Matthew 7:20

I have seen the fruits of Ted Broer and the damage that he has done to the Body of Christ.

We Owe Nathan An Apology

Those of us who stood by while Nathan Leal was attacked and defamed, we owe Nathan an apology. It happened on our watch. We did nothing.

Furthermore, we owe Nathan a debt of gratitude for stepping forward and taking upon himself the difficult duty of exposing the lies being preached. It was a good thing that he did, and he justly earns our praise for his efforts.

We Must Apologize To Others

Now, there are many who have attacked Nathan for what he did. Those of you who support Nathan and his ministry are obviously upset by this, and some of you have written to me to express your outrage. I understand that outrage, and I commend you for it.

However, some of you have vented your wrath in the wrong way, to the wrong people. You did not write or speak in love. You did not do this with kindness, in the hope of the recovery of those who sinned against Nathan Leal.

I know why you did it.

I’ve done the same thing, under different circumstances.

It’s still wrong.

If you wrote angry and offensive letters about this to a brother in Christ, you have sinned and you must apologize. We are NOT to be this way.

They Did It In Ignorance

I believe that those sincere brothers in Christ who attacked Nathan… well …I believe that they did it in ignorance. I believe that they were lied to, and were acting upon those lies. I listened to several hours of those attacks and they were very, very painful to hear.

But, they are still our brothers in Christ. They have been faithful in the past, and they will be faithful in the future. So, we must treat them with the love and respect in the way that God has commanded us.

I freely admit to being hypocritical in this, because I often fail to follow what I am telling you here. But, the bonds of brotherhood in Christ have been damaged, and even broken. That damage MUST be repaired if we are to continue our walk with God.

One day we will stand before God and give an answer for all that we have done here, in this life.

Will God be pleased with you?



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Here is the research that I did for this week. My heart was elsewhere, so it’s a bit lighter than normal.

However, there’s a lot that’s still here.


These are the articles that defy categorization and are important all on their own.

Pope Francis’ prayer intentions for January 2016 – YouTube

This is horrendous. The Pope is bringing in the New World Order religion.

This video should shake you to the core.

It is straight from the Vatican. This is an actual video produced by the Vatican itself. Straight from the dragon rider’s mouth.

Hitler Is a Rock Star in South Asia

This should not surprise any of those who live in ANY part of Asia. I’m here it EAST ASIA, and I’ve seen more than my fair – and fare – share of Hitler memoribilia.

History is being rewritten before our very eyes, and the result will be yet another Hitler.

Secret papers show extent of senior royals’ veto over bills

Hmmmm… it seems like the rumors of the Queen being Illuminati might have some truth to it.

What Is Cultural Marxism? – YouTube

If you need to ask, you probably can’t afford the answer.

Here’s a quote from the ZeroHedge article from where I found it:

This is an excellent short video explaining the source and nature of Cultural Marxist movements like political correctness, modern feminism, pansexualism, multiculturalism, “whiteness studies,” etc.

“Death To Saudi Arabia”: Thousands Of Iranians Pour Into The Streets In Anti-Saudi Protests

Hmmm… “Death To Saudi Arabia”

It has a certain… something. It’s certainly easier to say than “Life in prison for the Saudi monarchs!”

Stand Up, Speak Out, Speak Boldly For The Things That Matter

THIS is your government.

Are you feeling proud to be American?

Armed US PATRIOTS In Standoff With Feds NOW/OREGON – YouTube

I could only get halfway through this video. It made me so mad that I just could not finish it. The injustice and evil of the Federal government is so huge, that I cannot stand it.

If I listen to any more of this, I will want to go out and shoot the people that did this. My desire for vengeance on behalf of this family is beyond my capacity to contain.

Furthermore, Satan WANTS me to go out and avenge this persecuted family. He WANTS me to be incandescent with rage and seek to violate the verse that I spoke about last week:

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

– Romans 12:19

We MUST let God avenge these poor ranchers. And, we MUST help them as best as we can. But, these militias are NOT obeying God, as spoken through Peter.

We MUST obey God. WE MUST!

Alex Jones: New Waco Equals Civil War

I agree with Alex on this. The Feds are deliberately provoking us, and there are provocateurs who are pouring gasoline on the fire.

I feel Ammon Bundy’s anger, but this is the WRONG strategy.

Locked And Loaded Under Obama – Federal “Administrative” Agencies Preparing For Civil War?

It’s hard to know WHAT is going on behind closed doors, but too much seems to point to one thing:


And, I believe that this Tyranny will grow, until it eclipses all of our rights. The problem is that we have been handed over to tyranny because we turned our back on God.

We have sinned, and we must repent.

Empires (Like the U.S.) Fall When Corruption Becomes Rampant

Here’s a quote:

Indeed, the U.S.A. is following the pattern of ALL past empires as they declined:

* They financialize their economy … going from manufacturing to speculation

* They incur very high levels of debt

* They overreach in costly military adventures

* They become arrogant and lazy

* They collapse soon after their peak

No wonder the American Empire is starting to collapse …

BREAKING: Taiwan bans GMOs from school lunches… mandates GMO labeling nationwide… throws down gauntlet on toxic foods from USA and Monsanto

Okay, I might now let off of my criticism of Mike Adams for his distortion of the events surrounding the ‘Color Party Fire’ that happened last June:

He angered many of us here in Taiwan when he resolutely claimed that this was a ‘Gay Pride’ event, when it most certainly – and emphatically – was not. When I – among hundreds of other Taiwanese – reached out to him, he refused to budge on his reporting. I am sickened by this distortion of the truth and leaves me suspecting his other reporting – along with his support for the homosexual community.

I am not letting up on this, but I do appreciate his reporting on this piece of news.

Producer of New A&E Show on Antichrist: ‘People Feel Like These are the End Times’

It is good that people feel like these are the ‘End Times’. What is NOT good is depictions like this.

Satan has ALWAYS come as an ‘angel of light’. His followers refer to him as the ‘Light Bringer’ – Lucifer. And, when the Antichrist arrives, he will come with a message of peace and light. He will be a person that seems wonderful in every way. You will be impressed by how ‘good’ he will seem. If you know him personally, he will be your ‘best friend’. When you see him on television, he will be good looking and humble.

In fact, he will be everything to everyone.

What this show will depict will be wrong, and will trick you into looking for the wrong person.

End of the world: God NOT climate change will cause apocalypse, says survey

Hmmmm… interesting. Now, if people would just OBEY God, we wouldn’t be in such a mess.

Another “Conspiracy Theory” Becomes Conspiracy Fact: Gaddafi’s Gold –


Of course, Qaddafi was an evil dictator, but the reason for WHY he was murdered has become an open secret. We really are being ruled by disgusting governments.

ISIS Burns Christians Alive in Locked Caskets, Escaped Prisoner Reveals

This is heartbreaking. Our brothers and sisters are suffering terribly, while we sit in luxury.

Please understand that if you hate and attack Israel, you support these vile murderers.

IVF: First genetically-modified human embryos ‘could be created in Britain within weeks’

This is going to snowball. What is possible will definitely become reality. The only question is WHEN and HOW.

North Korea boasts it can ‘wipe out the whole of US at once’ with H-bombs

Of course, what they are talking about is an EMP attack. My information indicates that an H-bomb will not produce a more noticeable EMP effect than an atomic bomb.

I consider the timing of these tests to be far more significant. Remember that warnings about North Korea’s nuclear preparations, and then tests, did not happen until AFTER the fall of Ukraine and the heating up of Syria. I believe that Russia and China are secretly supporting North Korea’s efforts.

The question is about WHEN they will unleash North Korea on the United States. I actually do not think of it as an IF question.

Shocker: Hillary Email Blows Cover Off Massive Obama Plot to Promote Terrorism

This is what you get for not making sure your leaders aren’t criminals.

If you think that ISIS is bad… wait until Hillary becomes president.

Feeling a bit uneasy?

Perfect timing: Germany reprints Hitler’s page-turner

This is beyond awful. Unfortunately, it was entirely predictable. How evil we are.

“The Problem From Hell”: “Doomsday” Passes Over America Several Times Almost Every Day

We will hafta see what happens. In fact, we WILL see what happens.

I REALLY would love to see that satellite shot down. There is NO good reason for it to still be up there.

Father of Koch Brothers Helped Build Nazi Oil Refinery, Book Says

Those of you who do not know the Nazis that are in our past… well …you need to wake up. The Koch brothers. The Bush family. Wall Street. They all were supporters of Hitler.

America LOVED Hitler, until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Hitler actor Oliver Masucci was ‘begged to bring back labour camps’ by public

This is from a country that – for more than 70 years – has been bombarded by anti-Nazi education. Yet, the Nazi ideology keeps roaring back. Here’s a quote:

An actor dressed as Hitler on the streets of Germany was begged to bring back labour camps, kissed and made to feel like ‘a pop star’ – casting an uncomfortable light on growing support for right-wing extremism in the country.

Oliver Masucci plays the Nazi leader in ‘He’s Back’ (‘Er ist wieder da’), a biting social satire by author Timur Vermes which was released in German cinemas this week.

However, it is not his performance, but the reactions of people on the street to ‘Hitler’ which have got the country talking as it prepares to welcome hundreds of thousands of refugees this year alone.

Bill Gates Unveils His Very Own Hitler Youth Movement

And, you thought that Hitler was dead…

ADOLF HITLER AND THE JESUIT ORDER – The Jesuit Vatican New World Order

Here’s a quote:

“The S.S. organization has been constituted by Himmler according to the principles of the Jesuit Order. Their regulations and the spiritual exercises prescribed by Ignatius of Loyola were the model Himmler tried to copy exactly.

“Himmler’s title as supreme chief of the S.S. was to be the equivalent to the Jesuit General and the whole structure and direction was a close imitation of the Catholic Church’s hierarchical order.

And French writer Frederic Hoffet in 1948 wrote:

“Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and most of the members of the party’s old guard were Catholics. It was not by accident that because of its chief’s religion, the Nationalist-Socialist government was the most Catholic Germany ever had This kinship between socialism and Catholicism is most striking if we study closely the propaganda methods and the interior organization of the party

There are always a few people numbered among my readers who hate the Jews and love Hitler. Well, I have just a few words for such psychophaths:

How does it feel to support a Jesuit?

Could bizarre skulls with ‘non-human’ DNA be proof of aliens on Earth?

I’m afraid that this is proof of some kind of demonic manipulation of human DNA. These are not – I REPEAT NOT – Aliens!

If you needed proof of The Giants, this is it.

The People Who Sold You Out Exposed

Did you know that the Ferrari dealership in Washington, D.C., is the ONLY dealership in America where their customers pay cash?

The corruption is SKY HIGH in America, and you need to know more about it. Seriously folks, America is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Yup, it’s the USSA. You’re welcome, comrade.

“You Lie” – Fact-Checking Obama’s SOTU Job “Gains” Claims

Okay, so you know that he was lying in his State Of The Union speech.

Here’s some proof.

The Empty Suit’s Seat

Yeah. There was something missing at the State Of The Union Speech. And, I didn’t even hafta watch it to now what it was:

The Truth.

ClubOrlov: Financial collapse leads to war

Here are the two concluding paragraphs, and they are like a punch in the stomach to hopes of future for America:

And so perhaps that is what we should expect. Financial collapse is already baked in, and it’s only a matter of time before it happens, and precipitates commercial collapse when global supply chains stop functioning. Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of “emergency measures,” all of which will have just one aim: to suppress rebellion and to keep the oligarchy in power. Outside the US, it will look like Americans blowing things up: countries, things, innocent bystanders, even themselves (because, you know, apparently that works too). From the outside looking into America’s hall of one-way mirrors, it will look like a country gone mad; but then it already looks that way. And inside the hall of one-way mirrors it will look like valiant defenders of liberty battling implacable foes around the world. Most people will remain docile and just wave their little flags.

But I would venture to guess that at some point failure will translate into meta-failure: America will fail even at failing. I hope that there is something we can do to help this meta-failure of failure happen sooner rather than later.

Words fail me. America has a horrendous future ahead of her. If you do not prepare, you will probably die.


The world that we once knew is dying. In its place will rise a world that will look much more like the Dark Ages.

If you can prepare for that terrifying eventuality, you need to start preparing now.

Raoul Pal Explains What Indicators He Looks At To Decide If The Next Crisis Has Arrived

ISM stands for Institute for Supply Management and PMI stands for Purchasing Managers’ Index. And, the ISM Manufacturing PMI is an indicator of the cost of materials that manufacturers use to produces the stuff that you need to buy – or, at least want to buy. When those prices fall, it is an indication that the DEMAND for those materials have fallen.

And when the demand for inputs to manufacturing fall… well …it means that the economy is falling.

Here’s a quote from the article:

The ISM to me is the global guide to the business cycle. I think that [with the ISM below 50] we have a 65% chance or probability of a recession. We’ve seen that the cycle peaked back in 2011. It troughs at some point. The cycle always does this. We look back at the probabilities. We have a reasonable chance of a recession. Again, I don’t deal in certainties. It’s not like it’s definitely going to happen.

… the probability is now that we crossed 50, that over due course, the business cycle will continue lower, and therefore we should see the ISM coming through 47 which is the recession level – maybe much lower than that depending on the severity of the recession. So that would mean that the year on year rate of change of the S&P would be negative.

… if I’m right and the ISM, for example, gets down to 47, 45 then you’d start to see the year on year rate of change on the S&P at -10%

This Is The $3.5 Trillion “Neutron Bomb” That Keeps Kyle Bass Up At Night

That neutron bomb is called China, or more specifically, China’s banks. If they have to write down just 10% of their outstanding loans, that’s $3.5 Trillion.

I expect that $3.5 trillion will be just the beginning.

93% Of American Counties Haven’t Recovered From The Recession

This should be a troubling article for anyone trying to feel positive about America’s economic future.

Furthermore, when you look at those economies that DID return to where they were in 2008, notice that they are mostly in those areas that saw the fracking oil boom that was fueled by massive amounts of debt. That fracking boom is faltering.

When this oil boom crashes – and it probably has already – what will happen to those economies?

To AMERICA’S economy?

RBS issues ‘sell everything’ alert as fears mount of $10 oil price


If you are in stocks… SELL EVERYTHING.

If you are in bonds… SELL EVERTHING.

If you are in commodities and futures… SELL EVERYTHING.

If you are in derivatives… SELL EVERYTHING.

If you are in gold and silver… wait …DO NOT sell your gold and silver.

In fact, BUY MORE GOLD AND SILVER. ESPECIALLY SILVER. And, make sure that it is the physical kind, and in your own hands.

oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: The China Syndrome: The Coming Global Financial Meltdown

Yup, our financial system is going to melt all the way down to China. Of course, it will START in China.

No… wait …It already HAS.


This is a desperate attempt by China to stave off collapse. When you start seeing stuff like this, you know that the end is near.

Bearish J.P Morgan says sell stocks on any rally


Economic Collapse Happening Now-Rob Kirby | Greg Hunter

Here’s a quote from the write-up:

Macroeconomic analyst Rob Kirby’s predictions of a downward spiraling economy are coming true. Kirby contends, “I think the last time we spoke, it was in early December. I suggested that a window was opening where we were very likely to see some systemic breakdowns in our financial universe to likely start occurring. Low and behold, it looks like we are seeing the beginnings of exactly what we were speaking of. The reason why we are beginning to see these things start to unfold now is that everything we’ve been told by our financial elites . . . has basically been a lie or a false flag or fraudulent.”

Please pay attention people. There’s a rough ride ahead for us.

Full Default of Global Debt Coming-Andrew Hoffman

Here’s the first paragraph of the write-up:

Financial writer Andrew Hoffman says the Fed has a lousy track record for predicting the economy. Hoffman explains, “It’s not just the Fed, but all central bankers have been wrong on pretty much everything they have said. In the case of the Fed, in particular, which is by far the most important central bank in the world because what they . . . do destroys everyone else, it’s been three years, and they have been talking about economic recovery, and then they decide to raise rates just as the economy gets the absolute worst in our lifetimes. We are getting closer to the Yellen reversal when she is forced by markets to admit they have been wrong.”

Here’s the interview that is within the link:

CSX CEO Admits “This Hasn’t Happened Outside Of A Recession”

This is a lot like the Baltic Dry Index, but on land.

When the fundamentals of freight transportation companies collapse, then you have yet another bright red warning sign of trouble ahead.

Eventually, people will see the warning signs and head for the exit.

Please be ahead of the pack. You do NOT want to get trampled.


I wish that I could tell you that there are other monetary investments that will hold their value better than gold.

They might be out there, but I don’t know what they are.

As I always say:

Buy as much silver as you can carry.

And, as much gold as you can afford.

U.S. Silver Production Drops Significantly Again In October… Has Peak Silver Arrived?

Peak Silver will change the landscape for silver – as well as the amount of silver that currently exists above ground.

You will kick yourself, when you find out how valuable silver will be in the years ahead.

“Unprecedented Demand” – US Mint Sells Nearly As Much Gold On First Day Of 2016 As All Of January 2015

Interesting. A harbinger of things to come, methinks.


The fulfillment of Matthew 24:7 gives me no joy. This wave of Muslim barbarians that washes over Europe will in in violence and bloodshed. It will be an apocalypse in every sense of the word, and I grieve for the lives that will be destroyed by this horde of evil.

Police in Norway Proclaim: “Oslo is Lost”

The loss of Oslo is not the first, and it will not be the last.

Their own government did this, and that government was elected by the Norwegians.

They danced with the devil, and that never ends well.

“Ms. Merkel Invited Me”: Refugee Sex Assaults Reported In Finland, Switzerland, Austria

Yes, Merkel did indeed invite them.

I wonder who Merkel REALLY is.

Why Germany can’t face the truth about migrant sex attacks

Here’s a quote:

A top public broadcaster, ZDF, recently refused to run a segment about a rape case on its prime-time ‘crime-watch’ show because the ‘dark-skinned’ suspect was a migrant.

The programme’s editor defended her decision, saying: ‘We don’t want to inflame the situation and spread a bad mood. The migrants don’t deserve it.’

There ya’ go! Political correctness at its best.

Here’s another quote:

They made alarming reading. Asylum seekers represent one per cent of the population of the state but were involved in five per cent (27,255) of all registered crimes, among them 1,000 cases of grievous bodily harm, 22 of attempted murder, and 700 of domestic burglary. The highest number of offenders were Syrians, committing 5,576 of the offences.


But hey, Israel is the problem, right?

Austria’s firearm sales are up 350% due to ‘unease’ over migrant numbers

Right. Let’s keep bringing in more of these migrants.

It’s good for firearm sales.

‘We are heading towards a European 9/11’: Counter-terrorism official says

This is only going to increase. And we can only say that they did it to themselves.

“RAPEAGEDDON” Headed To America – Time For Women Across This Nation To Arm Themselves And Prepare To Defend Their Lives

Women, when faced with a Muslim rapist, please shoot to kill.

Do not hesitate.

Draw. Aim. Shoot.

And, when you shoot, shoot to kill.

I have made a vigorous stand against violence for political or economic gain, but self-defense is a different matter. So, please be ready.

EU will COLLAPSE under terror and migrant strain – and it’s already starting in Germany

Good for you, Angela Merkel. You have succeeded in destroying the European Union.

You and George Soros. What a team.

German town sends refugee bus to Merkel’s office

So, Angela Merkel brings in all these Muslim barbarians, and then demands that everyone else pay for them.


Is Europe Choosing to Self-Destruct?

Here are the summary quotes for this article:

Europe has voluntarily begun the process of giving up its liberal and hard-fought-for freedoms. Free speech no longer exists, only — straight out of totalitarian ideologies — “responsible” free speech: “free” only if it does not “offend” anyone.

The desire of many Europeans and other self-declared devotees of “human rights” to cover up, downplay or explain away what is happening in Europe, in fact represents the opposite of respect for others and equality before the law.

Absolving such criminal behavior is not only the very opposite of justice, it is also a kind of “inverted racism” — against its own native Europeans.

In 2014 and 2015 Jews in Europe were murdered, raped, beaten and stalked — just for being Jewish. Signs in the street read, “Sale Juif” (“dirty Jew”), “Death to the Jews,” and “Jews to the gas.” None of these side effects of Muslim immigration seems to concern the liberals, the media, or the purported defenders of human rights — who so loudly claim to be against “racism.” Or, once again in Europe, does “racism” not include Jews?

I don’t think that the word ‘disturbing’ can come close to describing what we are seeing here.

And yes, I have the answer to the question in the title:

Yes, Europe is choosing to self-destruct.


We are engaged in a life-and-death struggle with most evil mainstream religion in the world. Islam is Satan’s masterpiece, and it is long past the time for us to wake up to this evil that overshadows the world.

ISIS fighter Ali Saqr executes his MOTHER in Raqqa after she wanted to escape

This is Islam in the truest sense.

Is this what you want as a neighbor?

ISIS really is Islam.

Sean Hannity Posts 4-Minute VIDEO of Obama CONFESSING His REAL Opinions About Islam

The video in this article is so twisted and sick. If you knew the truth of what was said in this video, you’d hafta replace your keyboard ‘cuz you threw up all over it.

Do you know how many keyboards that I’ve had to replace?


I really couldn’t give as much attention to events in Syria as I normally do. I have only stumbled across one article on this fulfillment of the prophecy of the destruction of Damascus – Isaiah 17.

Next week, I hope to show you more of what is going on.

Stunning Drone Footage Depicts Syria’s Dying Capital

Looking at the destruction of Damascus, I am reminded of what we saw in Beirut, in the ’80s. It was horrendous. It was horrifying.

And now, we see images of the same kind of destruction, and we see no end in sight. Here’s what Beirut looked like almost 35 years ago:


People seem to have forgotten that Gog and Magog MUST COME BEFORE THE ANTICHRIST.

My hope is that you will understand that.

Then, I hope that you will understand what comes with Gog and Magog:

Turkey Wraps up ‘Security Op’ With More Kurds Being Killed Every Day

My heart goes out to the Kurds. They have been horribly abused by the awful Turks, and there will be more of this in the weeks and months ahead.

However, I believe that you will find Russia stepping in to help the Kurds.

Bracken On Iran

This is an interesting point.

It looks like the commanding officers of these boats had standing orders to surrender, if they were overtaken by superior forces. The question is about what will happen next, as well as the plummeting moral of the US Armed Forces.

If this keeps up, there will be a rebellion within the ranks. This cannot be allowed to continue without some kind of response.

Turkish President outrageously cites ADOLF HITLER in example of an effective government

This is another view of what I published last week. Please remember that Turkey has a positive view of Hitler.

The Mark of the Beast Is Now Required to Fly and Drive and Soon It Will Be to Buy and Sell | Dave Hodges

I agree with Dave that the Mark of the Beast is coming.

What he does not understand is that Ezekiel’s Fire must come before then.

Please read Ezekiel’s Fire. It’s free. And, it may just save your life:

You can also download the PDF version, here:

The Aftermath Of US Intervention: What The “Arab Spring” Looks Like 5 Years Later

Think of it as laying the groundwork for Ezekiel’s Fire.

Does The U.S. Have A Middle East Strategy Going Forward?

This is the wholesale destruction of American hegemony in the Middle East in a very, very short period of time. The upheavals and wars that follow this collapse of the American Empire will be horrendous.

And, it will usher in Gog and Magog.

Presenting Turkey’s “Vicious” Depreciating Currency Cycle

This is going to heat up the war cycle launched by Turkey and the Gulf Arabs. Erdogan is going to need a war to divert public opinion from his foolishness.


If you are against Israel, you are against the work that God is doing in Israel.

God has plans for that country. He has made those plans clear in the Bible. And, it is a dangerous thing to stand against what God is doing.

Furthermore, Israel is being attacked by the same people that we oppose. If nothing else, we should consider Israel an ally, for that alone.

Egypt urges Israel not to normalize with Turkey

This is a bit of interesting news. Egypt does NOT like the rise of Turkey.

I don’t either. Not at all.

Rebel Planet Dispatch: TARGETING HOSPITAL’S – No Big Deal for the US and it’s Saudi Ally

How fascinating that Israel is condemned at every turn, while vile psychopaths do worse and get away with it.

ISRAEL 101 – SI13015_Israel101-CUFI-40 pages.indd – Israel101.pdf

You need to know the facts about Israel, and this is a good place to start.

Clinton Considered Secret Plan to Spark Palestinian Protests

This is about as horrendous as it gets. This is also not the first time that America has deliberately sabotaged Israel.

In fact, America has done this repeatedly and constantly.

Parts of the US have been VERY good friends of Israel. But, only parts, and those parts are shrinking.

The US State Department has been a diabolical enemy of Israel from the very first day of Israel’s existence. And yes, I mean diabolical in the most correct sense of that word: SATANIC.


This is the smoking gun. How sick.

Yes, “Pls. print”, indeed.

Hillary e-mail exchange debated kick-starting Palestinian protests to pressure Israel

The question now is what Hillary and her minions did.

Did they act on this?

I believe that they did. In fact, you will notice that the US has engaged in a LOT of such activities.

Now, with all of that, tell me again how MOSSAD and the CIA are such friends.

Only idiots would believe that Mossad and the CIA are buddies.

Meet the Jew who saved 149 Christian Lives

This audio points out how the Christians are NOT going to the aid of their brethren – although they say that some are. And, they applaud those Christians who go to the aid of their persecuted brethren.

They then go into the work of an Israeli Jew who went to the aid of these persecuted Christians, and is hoping to do more.

I welcome these efforts, and they are efforts that show the nature of the Jews and their philosophy – a philosophy that we can respect and admire. One day, they will know Christ as their Lord and Savior, but until then… we should do what we can to help them in their efforts to aid those in great need.

(Thank you, Sabra)

Western Europe Jewish migration to Israel hits all-time high

Here’s a quote:

Experts say European Jews have not felt this threatened since World War II, when 6 million Jews were murdered in the Nazi Holocaust. Jews have been targeted in Belgium, Denmark and other European countries, but France has seen the worst of it. Jews have increasingly reported assaults and intimidation, mostly from Muslim extremists. While some attacks have been linked to anger at Israeli policies toward the Palestinians, most have been anti-Semitic in nature.

This is why there MUST be an Israel. And there would not have BEEN an Israel, if the Arabs had not attacked and attacked and attacked. Anti-semitism created Israel.

And, that’s a fact, Jack.

Greater demand than thought for ‘Mein Kampf’ German reprint – Yahoo News

I’m afraid that this dovetails completely with the rising antisemitism that I am seeing in the Alternative Media. This is horrible, vile and evil.

Worse, this is infecting the Body of Christ.

Obama, King Of The World? It’s Quite Possible –

I’m putting this in the Israel category because of this paragraph:

Numerous news organizations are now reporting that the effort to crown Obama chief of the corrupt, tyrant-loving international body has begun. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is reportedly committed to preventing it from happening, urging moderate Arab states to oppose it, and reportedly asking in private, “Wasn’t eight years of having Obama in office enough … during which he ignored Israel? And now he wants to be in a position that is liable to cause us hardships in the international arena.”

Israel is helping lead the charge against Obama.

And people still believe that Israel is evil?


I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
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A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.Proverbs 22:3


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186 thoughts on “Sin in the Church”

  1. John,

    I just want you to know that we appreciate you and your ministry!

    Other than silver and gold, do you have any other good advice as to where a good place to “park” some cash might be? With everyone that I visit with and everything that I read no one is able to answer my question with any confidence .

    My wife and I both got clear direction to sell our farm, but it’s like we are hitting a brick wall when we pray about what to do with the cash. Any advice would be much appreciated.

    Keep up the good work!
    I know your job is not easy, but it is needed now more that ever!!!

    • Hi Spud Webb,

      God should be your first ‘investment’.

      Has God laid a ministry on your heart?

      No, I don’t mean someone else’s ministry. I mean what does God want YOU to do?

      Ministry often requires at least a small amount of money.

      Next is location. Are you in the right place?

      If not, go there. That costs money.

      Once you are in the right place, you will need to store food and have access to drinkable water that is not dependent upon electricity.

      After that, invest in anything of value that could be traded for something else that you might need in the future.

      Hand tools come to mind. You should let your own skills be your guide in this. However, you will notice that none of that is very portable.

      My concentration on Gold and Silver is based upon universal awareness of value and portability. Everything else is subject to a lack of awareness of value, systemic risk and/or a lack of portability.

      All of the above is the guide that I am following. You can find more detail, here:

      I’m sorry that I cannot tell you more.

      Spud, may the Lord guide you and keep you, in the days ahead.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  2. ” In fact, he is so clearly lying that I’m shocked that only Nathan caught him in this lie.”

    I’m not shocked, not one bit. Look how many of God’s people stood with Jeremiah with his (very rude, negative and unfriendly) God given ministry.

    God’s people haven’t changed for the better since the beginning that’s a hard cold fact that few want to see or accept.

    Those ‘ministries’ who did not take the time to ‘investigate’ the one that they placed before the microphone to the world bear a great deal of responsibility for what has transpired, don’t you think ?

    How is it that Satan so easily gets into the Body of Christ turf to divide and confuse the already confused sheep ?

    Too busy to get the latest audience builder on the show instead of doing critically needed homework at this late and dark hour or they just don’t really care ? Is it all about ratings and numbers ?

    How sloppy we have become, those of us who are supposed to be gatekeepers for the sheep of God.
    And we are too weak and afraid to hold them responsible.

  3. Shalom John,

    Can I spread some insight here?…..”Christianity” itself is a misnomer, it’s a man made, state sponsored religion, thought up and established under Emperor Constantine during the Counsel of Nicea 321-325 CE. I know a lot of people like using that terminology for being a follower of Messiah, but the Feasts and Commandments of Yahuah Eloheinu were deemed illegal by the Emperor and punishable by death in some cases. This was the beginning of removing the true Elohim from the conscious mind of man for pagan traditions of men…we’re all engaged in spiritual warfare, may Abba Yahuah watch over you and yours, protection and help in times of trouble…Shalom

    • Hi Andrew,

      Thank you for that.

      Christianity is merely the addition of -ity to the word, Christian. And, that suffix ‘-ity’ denotes a quality or condition.

      Christian means ‘follower of Christ’. Such a quality or condition would accurately be described as ‘Christianity’.

      I am not married to any one name, but Christianity seems to fit our condition the best.

      Thank you for that, Andrew.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  4. Hi John,

    Thank you for standing up for Nathan and exposing false teaching. (It makes me wonder if this was an infiltration.)

    Anyway, you mentioned people writing angry letters and needing to apologize. I would like to see apologies from those who should have “gotten the facts right” first aplogize to all those THEY attacked. A women’s health situation was used to attack many listeners of a show that many, many people listen to. So now many have been spiritually abused for standing up to the truth like you have just done.
    It appears many have gone into damage control to protect something, but I don’t know what. I know many who don’t appreciate being villified for standing up for Nathan. The way I see it Nathan did the Godly thing and did not attack anyone’s character, he only stood up for the truth. In the process he is losing good friends, one of those unintended consequences.
    It is my prayer that all involved will publicly apologize to Nathan (not just privately) and also apologize to all those who stood for the truth and were verbally attacked and blamed for the health of another person.
    When these people apologize then yes, if anyone wrote a letter with the wrong attitude should apologize.
    This whole thing has done much damage. May God make something beautiful out of it for a testimony to Him.

    • Hi DarL,

      Thank you for that.

      We must always be ready to acknowledge the wrong that we have done, no matter what others may do. Whether we are provoked, or not, we have a need to always act according to the Bible, in love.

      If we have been unjust, we must apologize for that.

      THEIR injustice will be visited upon them by God, and my hope is that we will avoid the wrath of God by behaving ourselves properly and responsibly.

      I understand the hurt, DarL. Thank you for standing up for the truth.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Forgot to mention…you had prayed for my son who needed the double transplant. He received his organs in a timely fashion, nothing short of a God thing. Even was released from hospital on Christmas Day…The turn around is quite amazing and I am so humbled and thankful for what God has done and in the time frame.
        Thank you for praying.

        • A source you’ve used does not have good things to say about this.

          “Taking a quick glance at the Hear The Watchmen Conference scheduled in Dallas for March
          I see an abominable amount of selling, begging for donations, and business from the start.
          In fact ,the first button at the top is DONATE.
          That tells the discerning sheep what this hyped conference is all about, making money from the naive, easily seduced sheep. ”

          And it gets worse as he writes…

          I’m so confused, I’m getting to where I don’t want to listen to anyone any more.

          • Hi Joe,

            I think that I understand.

            My hope is that you will stand firm in the Lord. In fact, if you take a ‘time out’ and STOP listening to us, that would be fine.

            Just make sure that you are listening to God.

            In fact, I would prefer that you not listen to me, or anyone else, if our words lessen the time that you give to listening to God. Your Bible should be your greatest inspiration. Your prayers to God should have your greatest focus.

            We go off-track when we forget that.

            Keep up the good work, Joe. You don’t need me – or anyone else – to see the clouds on the horizon.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  5. I don’t pretent to know the mind of YHVH. He lets me know what he wants me to know, unless I too stiff-necked to hear and obey. We are all ignorant lowlife sinners doing and saying the wrong thing.Shalom

  6. Thank you John for this weeks Shock letter. I heard the Ted Broer interview and went back and listened to it again before I heard any one speak against what he was saying. I could not believe my ears. As you stated I had reservations about Ted from the beginning. Something my spirit was saying to me.

    My heart went out to Nathan after I read about the controversy. One post especially touched me. Paraphrasing- but, it went something like this……”We had just gotten away from “new age teaching” and turned to Christ, and here we are hearing it again. ….was shocked! I for one resonated with that statement. I want the truth! My spirit told me this wasn’t.
    Again, thank you for the truth so I and mine can stay on track. We are hungry for the REAL God and Jesus in these trying times.

  7. Good for you John for making a public statement of support for Nathan. He did the right thing the right way and deserves our support. I was hoping you would comment and I believed you would see the truth. We are praying for all involved, that God would reveal the deception and reconciliation would take place.

  8. John: I thank God for you every day. There is so much heresy out there that it sometimes feels impossible to know the Truth and where to find it. Have you ever heard of the Gap Theory? Supposedly there is a “gap” between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 of “billions and billions” of years where God created the angels and satan and there was a rebellion on earth? Also, If I have this right, supposedly all our spirits lived then as well and we chose God’s side the first time around so now that we are in the second time around, we didn’t have to choose again? This is supposed to explain pre-destination . . . it just sounds like new age reincarnation to me.

    Please delete this before posting, unless you’ve already checked it out and confirmed, but the website is: and it is written by Brandon T. Ward who is as anti-Semitic as they come. There are some things he gets right, but not nearly enough to outweigh all that he gets wrong and I’m afraid that our siblings in Christ are being taken in by him. Under the Bible Study section, he has several analyses. Like I said, some good (the false hope of the rapture, preparing our households for the tribulation, the oil of the ten virgins) but then there are some that are very bad (the world that then was, the first earth age – which I think is the gap theory). I haven’t read all of them, but if you weren’t writing to keep me on my spiritual compass, I admit I probably would have been taken in by his anti-Semitism. Whenever I go to his site now, I always remember the phrase “a lie is most believed when sandwiched between two truths.” The things he gets right go far to convincing you that his compass is accurate which, to me, makes him more dangerous. He is drawing the body of Christ away from Israel.

    Thank you again for all you do – there are so many that would be lost without you (me included).

    • Hi Tess,

      I am praising God that I have been of service to you. This has lifted my spirits, and I thank you for that.

      As for the ‘Gap Theory’, I’m afraid that there is no biblical foundation for it. And, I am sorry to hear of someone preaching such heresy. And yes, it is heresy.

      His vile attacks upon Israel are merely ‘icing on the cake’.

      My hope is that he will repent one day and embrace the truth.

      God bless you, Tess. May I always serve you well, in grace and truth.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Just read this response regarding the gap theory! Thanks. Steve Quayle’s, and Tom Horn believe this. I like them both, but I thank you because I was believing part of it. Right now in all honesty, I don’t know who to trust! I know Jesus is the final authority.. So I will stay on his word. In Christ Jesus, Kris

    • Hi, Tess,

      A month or so ago, we watched a video by Ken Ham, entitled Answers in Genesis ( He takes on the Gap theory, rather thoroughly, among other theories. One comment he made which really hit home for me was that the Gap theory erodes the authority of the Bible, because if anything lived prior to Adam and Eve, and died, well then death did not originate with the fall of Adam and Eve, and it is a steep, slippery slope from there. Unfortunately, many pastors and bible scholars are believing and tracing this heresy. Mr. Ham is a passionate, engaging orator, well-spoken with a clear, strong message. He holds back no punches. I would recommend the video, he might have something on his website on the subject, also.



      • thanks so much for this Tracy – I will definitely check it out! I’m always suspicious when someone alludes to vast amounts of information that is not easily visible in the Bible. God wrote it for US, to teach us and guide us. Why would He make it so difficult to understand? I don’t think He would. thanks again! Tess

        • I see your point, and would like to add that the first sin occurred in Heaven, when Lucifer became arrogant and prideful. However, I would like to submit to you that the Word clearly says that Elohim told Adam (and he passed Eve the message) that on the day they ate of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they would surely die (which they did, first spiritually, then physically, albeit slowly). Unless I am missing something in the Hebrew understanding of the Creation record, the aforementioned account, along with Roman 5:12, tells me that death, through sin, originated in the world when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.

  9. Wow, Brother John.. I can see your pain thru your writing..

    For what it’s worth, you asked:

    “What happened to our Sunday night services?

    What happened to Wednesday night prayer meetings?

    Do we do Bible Studies anymore?”

    Yes, yes, and yes.. 🙂

    We have Sunday night service in addition to afternoon.
    We attend Wednesday prayer meetings.
    We do Bible Studes before the Service.

    “But, do the members love each other?

    When the service is over, does everyone race for the door?

    Do members stick around and fellowship with each other?”

    Yes, we love each other. We are one big family. And after Service, we fellowship. We usually have themed meals. Like this past Sunday, it was Italian meal. This coming Sunday, it will be brunch theme.

    Our pastor also loves to remind all of us to read our Bible daily, and he also loves to challenge us to challenge everything we hear, including the pastor himself.

    Reading your article, I felt this sudden feeling of “WOW! I had no idea how blessed my family and I are that we belonged to a Church that does the right thing.”

    Thank you!

  10. Hi John.
    Thank you for spiritual sunestemi for this Ted problem.
    Notice you probably left out the word ‘not’ when u typed about Ted’s statement that “Christ Jesus was— not— of Mary’s egg
    Thank u

  11. Great article. There is one sentence though, where I think you left out a key word: “He said that Jesus did come from an egg from Mary…” I think you meant to say, “He said that Jesus did NOT come from an egg from Mary.”

    Thank you so much for posting this. I know the Leals will be so appreciative of it, as will those of us on his forum.

  12. i appreciate your post dealing with the ted/nathan controversy. i have been following it and have been very disappointed that the ‘watchmen’ circuit has demonized nathan and circled the wagons to protect ted. ted, while probably a nice guy, is in error introducing new age teachings and muddying the waters. the ‘watchmen’ let him slide. natahn was correct to take a stand against it. and no, it is not taking sides, it is taking a stand against error when others have ignored it to not embarrass a friend of theirs.

    compromising christians are the reason the church is in so much trouble. when those who consider themselves ‘watchmen’ make compromising mistakes to defend a buddy who is CLEARLY in error, well, that sure isnt a good sign. im praying for the hagmanns, lankford, quayle, hodges and ted to see their mistake and apologize.

    nathan did the right thing. and thank you, john for standing up for the truth.

  13. Very well said, my brother. There is a reason why I have not listened to any Hagmann & Hagmann show with Ted Broer for at least 6 months now. From the first time he was on I was suspicious of his teachings because a lot of it sounded so clearly like David Icke.

    Well, I am sure God will open the eyes of his watchmen and bring them to repentance about this.

    I have written Nathan a few times in the last few weeks and confirmed his analysis. Thank you for doing so too my brother.

    May God bless and keep you till he comes,
    David, from Germany

  14. Hi, John. Tons to consider in the week’s posting, but I would like to comment on the matter of the church.

    RE: Nathan Leal, or as you cast the scandal; SIN in the church. Nathan isn’t the one sinning, just to be clear on that. Those who have “sounded the alarm” about the enemy’s activities have experienced much head scratching and frustration. Why is NO ONE listening? One can be masterful at describing circumstances, one can be winsome and cajoling, one can be bombastic and fiery – yet NO approach seems to jar the supposed faithful from their slumber or apathy. All “out there” sounding the alarm, pleading, begging, WHATEVER are near the point of throwing their hands up in defeat. WHAT is NOT going on???

    I think the Holy Spirit explained the WHAT/WHY for non-responsiveness. The explanation can be summed up in a few words, words echoed from our Savior:


    When one who “claims” the Name of Christ “hears” the words of warning from one sent by Him, and DOES NOT respond to the pleadings and warnings; in reality, the one who claims Christ is WITHOUT the Spirit of Truth residing within them.

    The world is under the sway of the Prince of Darkness who has been a liar from the beginning and who speaks ONLY lies. LIES are the order of the day in his dark kingdom.

    Who would be send to counter this calamitous situation? Who was sent to testify of Messiah? THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH (see John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13; 1 John 4:6)

    If one will not or cannot hear the words of warning from the LORD it is because the Spirit of Truth is NOT IN THEM to testify to them of His Truth.

    The most terrifying chapter in Scripture, Matthew 7, speaks to those who at the time of judgment, are standing toe-to-toe with the LORD and arguing with Him about “using” His Name as they “ministered”. Jesus casts them away, because THEY NEVER KNEW HIM. Imagine the arrogance, the hubris, of standing in judgment and arguing with the LORD of all Creation. One suspects those arguing, who literally go down in flames, are quite surprised. Unfortunately, they learn way too late.

    Jesus was very direct when He said “few are those who enter” onto the narrow path that leads to salvation. Few, means, well, FEW – as in not many.

    The “bragging rights” inflated figures of mega-churches and ministries are just that; braggadocio. The real census of those who call upon the LORD in SPIRIT and TRUTH are known only by Him, because He sees the heart. And Jesus said those who do enter are FEW. We have direct evidence of the veracity of His statement immediately in front of us: A supposed “church” which cannot, WILL NOT, hear the Words of warning to repent, turn, look up. They do NOT because they simply CANNOT. They are not able to respond. Because… the TRUTH is NOT in them. Despite testimony of claiming His Name, the FACTS do not support their claims.

    I sure hope this makes sense. When the Spirit illuminated my understanding of this matter, it rather took my breath away. I hope His masterful explanation has been justly detailed here. In some measure, His explanation soothed my raging heart and re-directed my efforts. Instead of words of warning, words of introduction were more in order. Words such as, do you KNOW the LORD? He is AWESOME!! Let me introduce you to Him.

    Peace, my brother.

    • I’m afraid that you are right, Bert. The days are coming which we will see clearly, those who have the truth and those who do not. Just remember that there are those who hold the truth, but have ears clogged with the world. Unfortunately, telling the difference can be hard. – JL

  15. A second comment on this week’s posting, if I may.

    I’ve been scratching my head on the massive flood of Middle Eastern refugees into Germany and western Europe. Given what I understand of German pride, it is a conundrum that Merkel would so freely give away the heart and soul of Germany to the treacheries of Islam. Didn’t make any sense, whatsoever.

    Then, I remembered recent history. Hitler and the uncle of Yasser Arafat. Hitler and the Persians. Hitler and the Islamists. Hitler and the “Aryans”. A “mutual admiration” society if ever there was one.

    So, without a shred of current discernible evidence to lend credence to the matter, I wonder if Chancellor Merkel is also “remembering” the warm and fuzzy connections between the German government of Hitler’s day and the purported Aryan progenitors of Persia.

    One cannot help but wonder, evidence notwithstanding. Sometimes, the long view of history causes seemingly intangible threads to percolate to the surface.

    On the other hand, I really could be going absolutely nuts. Given the current global miasma, insanity seems a logical outcome.

  16. More nice work!

    If you watched the Republican presidential debates, in both of them there were several mentions of cyber attacks on the grid and EMPs. I found that very interesting. My personal opinion is that there will be a cyber attack that will affect banks and the electric grid.

    I think you’ve mentioned before that we should start utilizing encrypted email. I now use HushMail. A basic account is free. All emails between hush accounts are encrypted by default. And emails going to other accounts are easily encrypted. I encourage everyone to use an encrypted email.

    Also… about the “mark of the beast” RealId thing… it has been postponed until 2020. States are successfully pushing back.

    • Hi Joe,

      I agree.

      I used to work for an Israeli company that did the same thing:

      I actually think that some of the writing on that site is still mine. Interesting. Their website hasn’t changed much in more than ten years!

      Anyway, my experience working with them is that many such secure servers aren’t as secure as they seem. Your communications might be secure, point-to-point, but they might not be secure within the server. (i.e., admins would be able to look at your email)

      There ARE completely secure options, but you should also know that some pretty vile people will be using those options as well. People who engage in child pornography often use such servers, and it makes me ill to think of it.

      To answer your deleted question, I believe in acting now. I could be wrong, but I believe in safety over what the future might bring.

      I hope that helps, Joe.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  17. Thanks for the update about Nathan. I am glad somebody exposed the truth. Off the topic, are you familiar with Paul Washer? This fella speaks truth. I very much enjoy his work. Keep up the good fight. All glory be to God.

  18. Hi John

    Thanks for putting it out there for Nathan Leal. I emailed him several weeks back and it sounded like he has had little (no pun intended) support. Or maybe I should say he has had the “Little” support (enough of that or I will be sounding like John Little, LOL).

    Like you I have never been a fan of Ted and have had reservations from what I have listened to of Ted in the past. I listened to Nathans public program addressing his concerns and have to say that I completely agree with Nathan. This is “new age” mumbo jumbo slipping in and is not biblical in any way. Sorry Ted but there is no third eye, heart chakra or 13th dimension condoned by the Word of God.

    My prayer would be that Ted is able to accept that he is in error and is able to repent, he has not done this to my knowledge so far. Yes John rightly said that we also need to repent of our lack of support for Nathan. Have we slipped so far into deception? I am also concerned that there are Christian folk out there accepting what Ted is saying as being OK!

    Just as an aside here is the URL for a program from Zen Garcia featuring Carolyn Hamlett and Dan Duval as of the 6th of January 2016
    At the 1:26:00 mark in the program Carolyn describes in some detail the satanic roots of the third eye/pineal gland teaching and how dangerous it is.

    God bless you and your wife John and your church family also.

    Matt from New Zealand

    • Well, I will cheerfully give all the Little support that I can give. It’s good to see so many discerning brothers and sisters catching on so quickly. It gives a Little guy a good feeling. Thank you also for the video link, Matt. I will certainly listen! – JL

    • Thank you for sharing the link to the Zen Garcia show w/ Carolyn Hamlett. POWERFUL truth is what I have discerned, very eye opening and an amazing insight into the schemes and plans of the enemy. I’ve also been learning a great deal and have been VERY moved by listening to Dan Duval. God bless you!

    • Brilliant link Matt… appreciate that.

      I have just come out of 42 years as a Mormon which is riddled with Gnosticism, Alchemy, Kabbalah and New Age Mysticism of every kind… and my wife and I got into energy work, chakra/3rd eye work, yoga, etc. while being Mormon on top of that.

      Being so young in the Word I fell victim to listening to Ted (because I actually loved his up-beat energy, heath tips, and his proper usage of the word “dude”). But I trusted the Hagmann platform and because of that Ted’s explanations of these new age topics worked on me because I thought:

      “Wow… I knew I couldn’t have been this stupid… see, there was some truth to what I believed all those years”

      However, I was completely confused internally and this affected my prayer life and young relationship with the Lord.

      When Nathan pointed these things out the Spirit confirmed what he was saying and I fell to my knees in repentance. I had even allowed my children to listen to and explained what Ted was teaching… this was especially difficult because I had to go to them and say “sorry kids… dad was fooled again.”

      My anger is very much kindled due to this… my children and wife are so precious to me and they have grown to depend on my connection with the Lord and discernment because leaving Mormonism was absolutely the right call.

      Having this crap enter my home again opened a fresh wound for me, so thank you Nathan and thank you John Little for backing him with your continued brilliant work!

      – Brandon

      (Matt: Hopefully I’ll bump into you next time I’m surfing Raglan!)

  19. Praise God!!!!! I knew someone in the Watchman community of Alternative Christian Info was going to speak up in defense of Nathan…surely there is SOMEONE out there whose allegiance is to the LORD Jesus and not to the HIRED Christian Watchman Club (I could be more pointed, but trying to operate in the same grace I have been shown). Sorry, for the forcefulness of that statement but truth is truth. I must admit I was giving this situation just a very short extension of time before removing all from my bookmarks and vowing to plug my ears to most all. The prospect of removing John Little is one that was hurting more than others. Hagmann’s is hurting also, but I really only listen to them when John Little and Nathan Leal are on, so I’ll get over it.
    Surely, there is someone in the Watchmen community with courage, conviction and love who can broker reconciliation, especially between the Hagmann’s and the Leal’s. This is God’s will. Not threats of retribution and, “Boy, we’ll get you.”Surely someone out there has the fruit of the Spirit of Christ Jesus! Someone that is working for the Kingdom of God and not the sponsors of their program or just working for their career. I know Nathan Leal is working for the Kingdom of God and John Little……
    I have been so upset, distressed, and in unbelief which has caused mourning and groaning in my spirit over this. To me it is pretty clear. I have encountered people who fast and pray and spend great time with the Lord. They are incredibly intuitive, spiritually deep people and Nathan is the real deal. I gravitate towards them. Unfortunately they are few and far between. The Watchman community is voluminously blessed to have Nathan Leal in it’s community! It pains me so to see him barred. We are so blessed to have someone willing to share and put the time and energy into spending time with the Lord to get words and visions from God of the universe and then kick him like this. People, be grateful not hateful towards him. There are not many totally giving themselves to the Kingdom of God as he has. Please.
    Thank you John Little for speaking out. Praise God!!! Pressure may be put on you and you may experience the same shunning, but I am sooooo grateful for your stand for the Kingdom of God and standing for truth vs. your (career). You will be blessed by our Lord and Master Jesus!

    • Hi Dar,

      Thank you for that. I praise God that He has used what I have written and said. That is a big consolation to me.

      Just remember that people like Nathan and myself are prone to failure. It is easy to lift ourselves up and take credit for what God has given us. Read your Bible and test everything that we say. Never trust us. Never.

      I also must remind myself that I have sinned in the past, criticizing those who were innocent. So, my hope is that you will forgive the critics of Nathan, as much as you can. My own past is not without such sin.

      Just know, that your words are balm to my troubled spirit. This is not the only battle that I am engaged in.

      God bless you, Dar. A wonderful comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  20. John, thank you for your article defending Nathan Leal. I believe he did the right thing in calling out the heresy. I heard that interview with Ted Broer on the Hagmann’s and I have been trying to figure out if he has been planning this all along, or if he is a Christian who spent too much time on New Age websites and not enough time in the Bible. You said he claimed he didn’t know New Age philosophy, but just before he spouted all those lies you listed in your article, he said he had been doing research on New Age. I don’t know if you know this, but he helped Doug Hagmann and Dave Hodges with serious health problems. It is almost as if he worked, for two years, to gain their confidence so they would trust anything he said. I’m sad that the body of Christ has been hurt by all this. God bless you.

  21. ….”I wonder who Merkel REALLY is….”

    Me too! I thinks she bears a striking resemblance to her late father.
    Maybe the “Boys From Brazil” wasn’t that far fetched at all.

    Shalom and blessings John.

  22. Thanks for your boldness and testimony Brother John.
    In my quest for a church I have discovered social clubbing fornicating money changing dens of iniquity.
    The sheep hear the fornicating money loving shepherd, and they know his voice.

    As iniquity and all the outrageous unrighteous injustices mount, one of the great tests for the believer will be to trust God with the vengeance so many deserve.

    Hitler has always been with us.

  23. Thank you for making a stand for truth. I was shocked by how many people stood on Ted Broer’s side against Nathan Leal when this all happened. I even wrote to a few of them, asking them to stand against the lies, but they refused to deal with the issue at hand, preferring to ignore the heresy and criticize Nathan for division. I started to wonder if anyone left had eyes to see. I’m glad to see that you do, and I hope a few more of your fellow watchmen will have the courage to speak out as you have done.

  24. Dear Brother John, so so happy to see you standing up for Nathan Leal!! I know exactly what he was referring to about Ted Brief. I had listened to the interview on Hagmann and Hagmann with Ted Brief, and had to shut it off . me guts ere severely sick over the vnew age crap he was selling. And I saw that Nathan decided not to do the watchman conference when someone was promoting untruth to the people of God. Yes Nathan then was seriously attacked by supposed brethren. Very sad. We must keep him in our prayers!!!! Love in Christ, Kris

  25. hi John,

    After reading all the comments and what has transpired with Nathan, one thing stands out. Judgment has begun at the house of God.

    Lets say Nathan is a ‘type’ of God’s prophet, like Jeremiah and all of these careless, sloppy folks with “business” to protect go against him.

    Well, the fact is they are really going against God to their own serious hurt… unless they repent.

    I haven’t listened to the H&H shows for some time now, and never did follow Hodges.

    All that to say, I wasn’t sucked into what is causing so much pain to so many brothers and sisters.

    I’m on a meager, fixed income and what little I’ve done in this little ministry God has blessed me with has been done with out begging the sheep for money and support.
    I know the Lord hates the merchants in His house as much as I do… and it’s where He always starts, taking His wip and driving out the money changers.

    That the Lord is maturing His undiscerning and easily deceived body is a good thing, because much greater deception is on the way.
    if we are led by the flashy popular and not the lowly servants of God, then we’re not really following and believing the living WORD, Jesus Christ.

    I wrote something on greed, backbiting and business in the church and was not too surprised that it wasn’t picked up by ….

    PS – I had hushmail for some time until I got hacked and they set my location as New Bedford Mass.
    I live in Levy County Florida and come to realize there is no safe or secure internet.

    NSA has the best hired hackers money can buy as do the other global powers

    • Hi Marcel,

      You are so right. Lots of greed out there.

      As L. Ron Hubbard – the founder of scientology – said, “Nothing makes money like religion.”

      I loved the last picture(s) in your article. Those two were caught having a ‘fling’ in Rome. Yet, neither of them were forced to resign.


      You do good work, Marcel. Lord willing, I’ll be including your article in my ‘weekly research’.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  26. Thank you for standing up publicly for the truth of God’s Word and pointing out false teaching. I am praying for all parties involved – which includes you, John. Now that you have taken a stand I pray that you don’t suffer anything like Nathan has. I did notice that Steve Quayle did NOT post your article yesterday.

    Also, I would like to thank you for Ezekiel’s Fire. The only chapter I have read is the one about the tribulation. I had been struggling for months with the idea of no pre-tribulation rapture (I am a very good little Southern Baptist!) I had read Nathan Leal’s teaching on it, as well as others, but still had trouble accepting it. My thinking was that if this doctrine was false what other things had I been taught my whole life that were false? When I read that chapter in your book it became totally clear. In addition to teaching the truth with scripture, you pointed out the falsehoods with the pre-tribulation rapture by citing scripture and giving the history behind the false concept.

    I am starting to share this with friends, family, and even my pastor. My pastor and a few friends are open to “looking at it” but sadly, my family thinks I’m nuts.

    Thank you, again, John, for all you do. I look forward to your articles every Friday.


  27. Good morning from Eastern Ontario Canada.

    So much to say but only 300 words.

    Yes, the love of many has indeed grown cold. That fact and that fact alone is the number 1 reason “church” is in trouble and why sin and error have crept in. As believers our chief responsibility is to pray for one another and build one another up but when we gather for church (with the Sunday roast in the over back home on a timer set for noon) yet when people in church meet, the last thing that actually happens is praying for one another. We’re lucky if there is even a 5 minutes to ask if anyone needs prayer. The agenda governs.

    I am sick of “church” now. It is a den of religion now. No one gets any real help in “church”. The one we went to over a year ago has a pastor, Bruxey Cavey, who is clearly promoting homosexual marriage. He started talking about it casually and now has whole meetings talking about it. In one you tube I saw he was introducing a gay elder and a gay Christian.

    We need biblical churches and it is my belief that all forms of church based on the Catholic model are doomed to ultimate failure. The mystery of babylon infuses all forms of top down religion with pyramidal governance. They will all fail and when the whore comes a callin’ they will return to mama where their hearts never really left.

    I cry out for even a small band of believers who want to escape babylon and meet in love, mercy, prayer, righteousness, building up etc. I don’t need exegesis so much as love and prayer to overcome sin and the world. Anyway there’s only 300 words. I better stop.

  28. Hi John,

    Interesting points you bring up.
    In browsing the web some interesting articles are found……….

    In April of 2003, the tomb of Gilgamesh/Nimrod was unearthed at the gate of Babylon. The German archeologists, overseen by American troops, found the body in good condition. It was immediately whisked away by America, along with unbelievable ancient treasures from an underground vault in the Baghdad Museum that Saddam Hussein had found while excavating Babylon.
    Why did America attack Iraq? To get at 2 things: 1) the DNA of Nimrod/Gilgamesh, and 2) to get the secret technology of the tower of Babel. America got both! Prepare yourselves for the evil being unleashed against mankind.
    Rob Skiva’s excellent book Babylon Rising relates this. Tom Horn and Cris Putnam, in their book On the Path of the Immortals, chapter 7, tells the story, including Tom’s amazing personal involvement with it, and it was discussed at length in an interview with Tom Horn and Steve Quayle on Hagmann and Hagmann, May 5, 2015.

    Historically, the spirit of Babylon moved from the ancient city of Babylon in modern Iraq to Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17), where -the seat of Satan resided in ancient times–the great altar of Zeus. The altar was removed and reconstructed in Berlin between 1878 and 1886.
    Hitler had a replica of this altar constructed from which to declare the “final solution”–the annihilation of the Jewish people.
    President Obama had a replica of this alter constructed from which he delivered his acceptance speech for the Presidency in 2008.

    The express purpose for the creation of the Jesuit Order by the Satanist occultist Ignatius Loyola was to enthrone the pope on the Temple Mount–“for the glory of the god that sits in St. Peter’s chair,” to quote them.
    The Muslim Wafts offered the pope a throne on the Temple Mount, in, or around, the Dome of the Rock.
    The pope called the terrorist leader of Fatah, Abbas, “an angel of peace.”
    America pours money and weapons into Fatah, the terrorist wing of the Palestinian Authority.
    The apple of His eye is that little hill across from the southern end of the temple mount – The City of David – the real Zion, flanked on the east by the Kidron Valley, on the south by the Hinnom Valley, on the west by the Tyropoeon Valley, and on the north by Solomon’s Ophel and the Temple Mount.
    It is a little hill, but it is the most important hill in all the world!
    Psalm 132:12-13: “For Yahuweh has chosen Zion. He has desired it for His dwelling. `This is my place of rest forever. Here I dwell for I have desired it.’ ”
    Psalm 122:6: “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, let those that love you be at rest.”
    In praying for the city’s peace in the face of the coming disaster, you are praying for the return of Messiah!
    Now, the alarm is sounding loudly from Israel to let us know what time it is on Yahuweh’s clock. Zechariah 12:1-3 is happening.

  29. You have addressed very well what has become a very sad situation. I’ve had checks in my spirit with a few of H&H’s guests over the years, Broer being one of them. I’m glad Nathan addressed it and that you have supported him doing so. My biggest disappointment is with Lankford. IMO he should have poured out the balm of reconciliation if possible, not pile on.

    The chakra/kundalini/third eye teachings have so infused our culture and it is rapidly entering the church. Yoga particularly espouses these beliefs and how many Christians are involved in that? Here’s my recent experience.

    I was a member of a community gym for several years, joining after a long illness. I went to the yoga stretch class, which was good for me physically. Two of the teachers played various CD’s with lyrics in Sanskrit, relaxing and very repetitive melodies. At first, I didn’t give it much thought – I was concentrating on the physical discipline, but as time went on and I understood more, I sensed something was wrong. The lyrics were quite easy to memorize and I quickly found the CD’s online. One was billed as “devotional to Shiva”; the other, “in praise of the Kundalini goddess.”

    I went to the gym owner with this info, pointing out that this is a community gym and should not be promoting eastern religion. I was rebuffed and told that “all her girls were Christians.” For a while they toned it down, but soon went back to the SOS. I terminated my membership, and in looking for another gym, I find this is in all of them. Yoga dominates the classes, especially kundalini yoga. Total occult practice. And in explaining this is people, even Christians friends, I am looked at as having two heads. They don’t get it.

    Discernment is so lacking in the body of Christ. Deception is rampant. May God grant us that gift and the courage to use it, despite the cost. I pray for reconciliation between all parties involved and thank you for what you are doing.


  30. Your article was great. I sort of got caught up in this mess, writing to those concerned without all the facts. My heart has hurt deeply the most for Nathan, Doug, and Joe. I know they seemed like good friends through the years. My heart for them and it seems this whole thing has the devil’s fingerprints.

    After reading your article, I began Ezekial’s Fire. I am writing my first novel and an EMP is what will bring a very backsliden pastor back to Christ. Your book is helping me with accuracy in my book. I have researched the Carrington Event but your book provides a lot of scientific information, so thank you!

    You probably already know this but on page 55 at the bottom, it says Christ White, instead of Chris White. I have done this myself when typing that name.

    Thanks again for this timely book and the information on John MacArthur. He has always been a favorite so I was quite surprised. My husband and I love Pastors Carter Conlon and David Wilkerson from Time Square Church. David Wilkerson was an awesome preacher and his successor, Carter Conlon preaches uncompromising messages.

    I love it when you are on H&H and hope to hear you again soon.

    Bless you, Karon R.

  31. Seriously John…really. You are writing about something like this absent of the facts. Hear the Watchmen in Dallas is all about The Lord Jesus Christ and Worship, Restoration and Revival. Dr. Broer is no longer a part of it. Nathan had nothing to do with that decision it was reach by us as a result of our further discussions with Dr. Broer about his beliefs.

    Nathan lied. Yes that is correct he outright lied. My wife and I spent 3 hours on the phone talking about this matter the evening Dr. Ted spoke on the Hagmanns show. Then we spend another hour talking with him the next morning about this issue. We even have a witness to those conversations. But in his “Expose” he claims we didn’t listen to him. In fact we did and said we would be dealing with the situation after the Holidays. That was not good enough for Nathan and his wife.

    Doug Hagmann sent him a very well thought out email two days prior to Nathans audio clip. Again stating that we would all take a look into this after the Holidays. But Nathan claims the the Hagmanns ignored him.

    Then Nathan and his wife embarked on a mission to bring the entire conference down by exposing my personal sins, which I had confessed to The Lord and which are covered under his blood, publicly.

    Now I ask John a few important questions. What “Man of God” as Nathan describes himself would do such a thing as use another mans forgiven sins to attempt to further his own agenda? What “Man of God” would be so hideous as to do that and also lie and lie over and over again. And finally why is is so important to Nathan for everyone to know he is a Watchman?

    You should check you facts John before you publish something like this.

    Brother Mike
    Co Founder
    Hear the Watchmen

    • Hi Brother Mike,

      The information that I have given is accurate, and I have pointed out that I did not have all the information.

      I am glad that you have provided some information here, but you have also claimed that Nathan is lying.

      I’m afraid that I do not agree with you on this. I do not remember the exact word that he used, but I believe that it was something like ‘rebuffed’. Your unwillingness to treat his concerns as seriously as he wanted you to treat them… well …I’m sure that it felt like a rebuff – or even being ignored.

      If you had been willing to take Ted Broer’s name off of the list of speakers – at least provisionally – that would probably have ended the issue.

      You did not.

      If Nathan did all that you accuse him of, then I am prepared to agree that there are parts of Nathan’s actions that were wrong. My hope is that he will see that. Although, I’m not sure that you are describing those actions accurately.

      For your part, I perceive a need for you to admit that you did not treat Nathan’s feelings of urgency with the care that they deserved – especially for someone who was to be a keynote speaker. Nathan would not have resigned, had you done so.

      Since we are not treating this issue with the humility and self-examination that this situation requires, this rift will widen until it is unbridgeable.


      So Mike, are you going to follow the path of forgiveness? Or, are you going to follow he path of anger and vengeance?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John,

        Not only have I forgiven Nathan I offered to pay for he and his wife to come to Dallas after all this. I have no anger or vengeance in this only Nathan does. How can you say Nathan did not lie? He stated none of us listened to him. That is simply not true. Did we act quick enough??? In hindsight maybe not but the conference was not until March and it was December when we spoke to Nathan.

        I have asked The Lord to forgive me for the mistakes I made in connection with this conference. There certainly was no road map for us to use we used the bible as a guide fundamentally but logistically there was nothing . People like to say “You should have had better discernment” well we had no idea what Dr. Ted believed until he spoke on the Hagmanns and neither did Nathan or anyone else for that matter. Nathan has hurt many people with his childish actions concerning this situation. He was correct about Ted that is not the issue as you and so many of his followers are trying to spin it. The issue is and will always be that he acted of the flesh in his objection to Dr. Ted and used this situation solely to improve his status with his internet followers. I am sorry but that John is simply the truth. And…The Holy Spirit will be in Dallas with all of us and Nathan is certainly welcome to join us and shake the hands of those he has accused of abandoning him.

        • Hi Mike,

          I just had a thought. I never mentioned your name, or your conference. I made no accusation towards you, at all. Neither has Nathan Leal.

          Furthermore, I am not – and never have been – a ‘follower’ of Nathan Leal. In fact, I’ve never sent him an email until this issue came up, and I asked him for his side of the story.

          Did you know that he did not tell me anything?

          That’s right. Nothing.

          But, I’m hearing accusations coming from you. Interesting.

          Also, you have stooped to making legal threats. I just received proof of that this morning. If you had said nothing to me, I would not have begun to understand who is really at fault here. But, you couldn’t help yourself.

          After your comment, I was contacted by someone to warn me of the threat that you might pose to myself.

          You can threaten others with a lawsuit, but that threat will not work with me. Furthermore, I have evidence before me that you have misrepresented the truth in the matter and outright lied.

          Furthermore, you intimated that Nathan Leal publicly brought up previous sins. You have no evidence of that. In fact, I have deposition that this is a deliberate distortion on your part.

          Mike, you must repent of the evil that you have done. Judgment lies at your door.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • Hi John,
            I think, from what I listened to early on, that Nathan and Donna’s concern was for the people who listen to them that were planning on going to the conference. That’s who the original audio was for – and so they could let people know who were still going to book their tickets. Had the matter waited until “after the holidays”, more people would have spent money needlessly.

          • Hello John,

            Thank You for covering this situation on your site.

            I purchased 2 tickets for the “Hear the Watchmen” conference back in Sept, 2015. After finding out about Ted, listening to Nathan’s expose, and just watching everything that has taken place, I really felt the Holy Spirit tell me to have nothing to do with this conference. I wrote to Mike the organizer/founder of the conference, explained my conviction, and asked for a refund for my 2 tickets. In a couple of days, Mike refunded the purchase price of 2 tickets to my credit card. I was actually surprised that I didn’t have to fight him for a refund.

            I later found out that the Leals were being threatened of a lawsuit by Mike to recover all monies that he has/will refund to people like myself.

            I would have NEVER asked Mike for a refund had I known he would later go after Nathan and Donna for it.

            I am so INFURIATED by this action on Mike’s part and others who have threatened legal action against the Leals. THIS IS SO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS!

            Mike, you are ATTACKING and HARASSING Nathan and Donna by threatening them with a lawsuit. What biblical grounds do you have to handle a conflict in such manner?

            Why are you threatening the Leals?

            Is this how the Lord is telling you to handle the situation?

            What are you hearing from the Lord, Mike?

            John, lets just pray that the Holy Spirit would convict all who have done wrong and that they would repent and apologize. Let’s also pray that the eyes would be opened for all in the Body of Christ to see and learn what has really taken place here among those that claim to be Watchmen.



        • Michael Scott Kerr is now in with Larry Nichols..I don’t know which one is a bigger scam ..flim ,flan man. I told Mike Kerr/WhiteStone about Larry nichols not having cancer as he has claimed sine 1996. Kerr turned on me like a rabid dog. LARRY NICHOLS bring in alot of views on YouTube. It’s the money. He doesn’t realize im in the legal profession.

    • I never heard or read anything about Nathan exposing your past publicly. I would hope you had listened to John’s response but instead I hear you are threatening Nathan with a lawsuit. This is so unscriptural. Please for the sake of those veterans sponsored for the conference and other attenders don’t curse it by continuing in this sinful behavior!

    • I have listened to man of these watchmen that are attacking Pastor Nathan Leal. All of them, at one time or another, have warned the body of Christ to steer clear of false teachers, preachers, and doctrines of demons. Now they have attacked a true servant of Jesus for doing his duty as a minister of the Gospel, for warning Christians of the very thing the watchmen have warned about! In several cases I believe they have turned on Pastor Leal (like a pack of wild ravenous wolves) for the sake of money! They have TB as a sponsor of their websites, programs, and they don’t want to lose that revenue stream! Tell me, how is that different from the secular world? Tell me, how is this compromise not against the warnings that Jesus gave? Tell me, how is this an authentically Christ based response to a true MAN OF GOD that is standing up for TRUE BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY? Quite simply, IT ISN’T. Every lie that is being advanced by further attacks is yet another work of satan against the Body of Christ! There is a sifting going on. The Lord is dividing the wheat from the chaff! The Lord is bringing to light those who embrace doctrines of demons that should be shunned by all Christians. Until TRUE REPENTANCE occurs by ALL attackers of Pastor Leal, I for one, will have no further fellowship or listen to those who stand up for false teaching and teachers. I pray for all of you who do, to repent, IN JESUS’ NAME!

  32. William,

    I pray and look out for the same fellowship everyday. I am beginning to think that God’s remnant is supposed to be scattered to grow and spread among the tares. God bless.



  33. Dear Brother John, after reading the various posts, I must tell you that I am praying for you and your ministry! And of course your safety. I hope that SQ won’t be disregarding you and other brethren of truth and integrity! Be blessed my friend. I am so sad to see this craziness happening because one brother spoke truth.if you can, share with Nathan that he has many who love and support him in the Lord! Thanks again. Kris

  34. Seriously John,

    What kind of Watchmen is Bro Mike if he had to dis-invite one of his keynote speaker’s ‘after the holidays’ ?
    So blind,he does not even know what/who he is bringing in to the Body of Christ like so many other’s, until after the damage is done.

    So the guilty party all throw the messenger overboard.

    Sure not the ALERT kind, more like the blind leading the blind if Nathan had not had the boldness to step in to your careless and sloppy conference.
    Beware of the Busine$$ of watchmen.

    LOOK to the old Watchmen and prophets and compare their lives to the mammon for profit and BUSINESS train today.

    I’m sure business is good with the Watchmen turned merchant’s, hustling their books, books and more stuff for the already confused and burdened down flock.
    Isaiah 56
    His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

    11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

    You won’t hear this scripture at the conference, it might just hurt the bottom line $$$.

  35. greetings in the name of jesus brother john… my name is joe moore, ohio.. i wish i was able to articulate my thoughts into words as good as you do. you seem to take the words out of my mouth with every article. i have listened to and read brother nathans teachings for 5 yrs now. he is truely a man led by the spirit and is called to pastor and be a watchman. i was listening to hodges show with ted broer that day…..and soon as he started in with our organs connecting with god i closed out on it. my holy ghost bullcrap alarm went ding ding ding. if i had known it was nathan he was bashing i wouldn’t have even tuned in. and to hear hodges agree with him was very disheartening to say the least. every friday i visit your site to hear a word from god…you and nathan are the only 2 sources online i feel are inspired by god…your ability to put into words what the spirit is saying is truely blessed. praise god that you have stood up for what is clearly the correct thing for nathan to do and he has handled this whole matter according to gods word. faith, and obedience= power and authority… amen… keep up the good fight.. you and nathan are making a huge impact on the lives of gods chosen…

    • Hi joe moore,

      I really appreciate that. Twenty years ago, you would not have been able to say that about me. Maybe not even ten.

      I praise God that He has allowed me to do the little that I do. He truly is forgiving.

      As for Dave Hodges. My hope is that he will come around to the truth, in time.

      God bless you, Joe. May the Lord guide you and keep you, in the days ahead.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Dave Hodges has lost credibility with me. He might mean well, but while peppered with some truth, his site of full of half truths and a heavy dose of fear mongering.

        It too hope he comes around to the truth.

        • Hi Joe,

          I understand how you feel.

          I have a few disagreements with Dave, and all of them surround a common deception that most in the ‘patriot Christian’ movement suffer from.

          Unfortunately, I believe that a lot of Dave’s hysteria is warranted. 2016 is shaping up to be very, Very bad news.

          We’ll see what happens. None of us are prophets.

          Thank you, Joe.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  36. Brother John,
    stay strong! watch and pray and speak boldly! I am grateful for your Biblical worldview.

    I, like many of the commenters here appreciate a Watchman who bases his opinion on God’s word. There are too many Watchmen boldly proclaiming to understand God’s will, all the while they confuse and deceive with astonishing doctrines of gap theory, multiple floods, extra-terrestrials in the government, the Divine authenticity of myths and fables spoken of in uninspired writings and tablets, and all manner of fantastic tales that entertain but do not edify.

    I have followed all the prominent watchman for some time now. It is how I found Omega Shock. The Watchman community needs to repent and humble themselves. Their success has lifted them up. Sin lieth at the door.

    God bless you Brother John.

  37. John,

    Thank you so much for this article which is so needed right now! It is so perplexing that so many of the alternative Christian people in our “group” are so deceived by this heretic, Ted Broer. You are only one if two that I know of, the other being Josh Peck, who have seen the truth about this.

    I wondered if you listened to SQ and David Lankford last week?. Here is the link:

    I felt like I and everyone who were supporting Nathan and trying to communicate that to the Hagmann’s were given a tongue lashing. I would be curious about your opinion.

    I have admired both gentleman for a long time,, but I feel they jumped the shark. I personally have lost a lot of respect for them, sad to say.

    Thank you so much for using your website to keep exposing this.

    God Bless you.

    • Hi Angel,

      Thank you for that.

      Part of the reason for talking about Nathan Leal was that very same video. I made myself sit through all three hours of that, and listened to parts of it twice.

      I believe that SQ and DL have been lied to. Ted told some of those lies, but I am now coming to believe that he is not the true cause of all of this. Ted Broer was merely the catalyst.

      Like you, I have a great deal of care for both Steve and David. I also love the Hagmanns. My hope is that they will see the truth and apologize to Nathan. I am trusting that God will move in their hearts at the right time.

      Great comment, Angel. It is a pleasure to see so many wonderful people leaving such great comments.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

          • Dear Sir
            Thank you, I myself was once heavily involved in new age, and thank God and Jesus that both my Wife and I are not in that sacrilege any more. I listened to the Dr. and was fully excited to hear him too. It did not help me that I was so excited to use one of his treatments that really did help. I tried the joint repair and it was a miracle in my eyes. Much like Mr. Hodges my knees were getting so bad that I could not really drive a standard transmission anymore, And after I took his stuff I was sure that he could do no wrong cause I can move my legs like i haven’t in years. Just like his gifting of certain treatments to his friends, i was willing to hear him out on anything. If you live with pain, and as a grown man sometimes have tears in your eyes from it you almost think that to make it stop without surgery makes the guy walk on water. However, the show that is in question was so filled with new age lies, i did not even tell my Wife that i had saved it to listen to as i felt that it would be wrong to expose her to the lies. I recognized what he was saying as i had bought many books and shared correspondance on those subjects including the non-biblical teachings in regard to Jesus. Even though I do not follow that anymore, Thank you Jesus, I cannot forget how the lies go and I recognized them immediately.
            My regards to John Little and my esteem of him has risen for his stance and willingness to look at the situation himself honestly. I was surprised to hear some of the hate filled speech directed at Nathan Leal whom I already hold in very high regard, and place among the few great men of character. I agree that people should not have jumped on others as they did, but what feels like the black balling of Nathan Leal and his Wife Donna (both good people) is unjustified. I do not like the way that is has been handled and it seems that most everybody is either venomous or politically wishy washy.
            The other problem i see is that people are so quick to just believe anything anyone says simply because the person says “I believe in Jesus”.
            If i say that then continue on to tell you that we live in a hologram or that making cigars out of semtex is a great idea that does not make it true.
            I fear that gullabilty of Christians is at an all time high, simply because we are all looking for answers and the devil knows it. It’s like a good woman i know who bought a crucifix for hundreds of dollars years ago that she showed me proudly that had a sliver of the real cross of the crucifix in it. I may have been ten at the time but even then I recognized the impossibility of that claim. When a miracle worker shows up everyone wants a piece of that action. I have been to long at this and am rambling so Thank you Sir, I admit too that I was taken by that man, and thank you John for your stance.
            Byron A.

          • Byron, that is a beautiful comment that bears witness to your true devotion to Christ. I feel honored beyond words, and I can only thank God for being given the opportunity to serve you and all of the other readers. It is only by the grace of God that I have had anything to say. – JL

  38. John – Praise God for your brilliant writing and commitment to TRUTH in all things. Absolutely, the issue regarding Nathan Leal was highly disturbing to say the least. As I wrote to Nathan, he is a MAN OF GOD who did exactly what he should have in calling out the gross heretical “teaching” on the part of TB. I was sick to my stomach as I listened to such New Age (demonic) deception being peddled on H&H. Also, where does TB mention Jesus Christ on his website? Hmmm, I couldn’t find it among the narcissistic pics of how “young and beautiful” he and his wife look along with the pushing of nutritional supplements.

    I will continue to look forward to your articles, and may God bless and protect you and yours. The storms have arrived and may more people have eyes to see and ears to hear before it’s too late.

  39. The biggest sins concerning America’s churches revolve around the woeful attitudes of their preachers and lesser members. Far too many of them consider themselves Americans first and children of God third or fourth. They are proud, vain, greedy, love worldly ways, and are adherents of Americanism. They have far too little compassion for poor folks, prisoners, animals, refugees, foreigners, and most other folks who are different from them….

    About the silly mess in Oregon involving ring-wing militants…The militants are jerks. The ranchers, in turn, deserve no consideration. All Federal land should immediately be returned to its true owners–native Americans. They can and will take fr better care of the land and the creatures that live on it than would ranchers, corporations, or the vast majority of ordinary folks….

    As for the jetliner destroyed over the Sinai…ISIS blew their possible involvement almost immediately by claiming they shot down the airplane. If ISIS had truly been behind the catastrophe, it would have bragged about smuggling a bomb aboard such. The truth of the matter is that the same folks who lurk behind the Russian bomber getting shot down in Syria are the same folks behind the jetliner being destroyed over the Sinai. Of course, I am referring to America’s shadow forces. They are also the same creeps lurking behind the jetliner getting shot down in southeastern Ukraine. Notice the pattern. Each incident had been designed to give Putin and Russia grief. Putin and his advisers are sharp enough to know who the chief culprit is. But they can doing nothing about it directly and openly. At some point,though, they will react in big ways. The bottom line is that we have gone from a proxy war with Russia to a shadow war with her. Of course, the proxy war continues. The shadow war, in turn, will get truly nasty before things evolve into a world war. Despite Russia’s financial and economic woes, she is going all out to prepare for that eventuality. So, too, is China….

    The economic collapse that has continued along a roller-coaster track from 2007-2008 will become far worse before 2020 ends. America’s inhabitants will suffer its ravages much more so than will most other folks on our world. America will become something akin to a third world nation. Yet she will cling to her delusion that she is goddess of our world. Her leaders will become far crazier and more dangerous than they already are. They will also become stupider. Even so, they will find themselves dealing rather brutally with something akin to a multi-sided civil war, while plotting and scheming to destroy Russia and China. The war that they will start will end with America becoming an object lesson eclipsing the example of Sodom and Gomorrah….

    • Hi James H Trusty,

      I agree with your initial points. Patriotism should never hold the same reverence as that for our Lord and Savior.

      However, I’m afraid that ISIS really DID the bombing of the plane over Sinai.

      And, I’m sorry that you feel the way that you do about the ranchers. I’m sure that they are a bit over-the-top sometimes, and I do not agree with their current strategy. But, their disagreement with the Federal Government is legitimate – whatever you may feel about the ranchers. And no, the Native American Indians would not handle the land better.

      I’m glad that you are aware of what is going on, James. Dark days ahead.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • If ISIS downed the jetliner, why did it claim it shot it down rather than smuggle a bomb aboard it? No, I am afraid the downing of the jetliner is just as I have asserted. American shadow forces do all sorts of evil mischief. By the way, I enjoy a source of information that I cannot disclose but which has proven reliable. The source points the finger at American shadow forces involvement in the incident in question as well as in the other matters that I mentioned….

        As for Federal lands, nobody has nearly as good a claim on such as do Native Americans. In fact, their claim on most land in America is just and right. We peoples of America are living on stolen land and have benefited from stolen resources…God will make us pay a very high price for that someday. Actually, He has been doing so since way back when. We stole through violence, and so, with violence we reside on in our ill-gotten lands….

        Most ranchers are anything but good stewards of the land. I have lived around such folks most of my life. For the past several years, I have been living in a region of farms and ranches. In fact, I live in the middle of a farm. A corner of a ranch is only a few hundred paces away from my house to the west. It and most other ranches in this area might as well be concrete parking lots. The ranchers have devastated “their” lands by allowing overgrazing and cutting down most or all of its trees and clearing all ground cover, except excuses for grass. My one-acre yard shelters more wildlife than do any four cow pastures around here. [I allow native plants to thrive on most of it] In the region that I previously lived in, some ranchers actually took fairly good care of “their” land. Most did not. It is a crime against nature and our world how they treat “their” land. It may seem that is a small matter. I, however, can assure you that it is not. On various occasions, God has clued me in on His sentiments about certain matters. In some cases, He has let His anger be known very clearly. Half of those cases involve how shabbily we humans treat nature, our world, and our fellow creatures. He has made it quite clear that He intends to severely punish humanity in general for such crimes and America in particular. That is because no nation is nearly as guilty of raping, plundering, pillaging, paving, and otherwise destroying land, waterways, and seas as is America. She and her peoples do so directly and indirectly, while promoting and perpetuating Americanism–the great sociopolitical-economic religion doing the most to destroy our world and lead most folks to Hell….
        Anyway, legitimate or not–under man-made laws and whatever–I have no sympathy at all for the ranchers’ side of things when it comes to the use of Federal lands. As I said, such should be returned to the Native Americans. Doing so is the only truly just and righteous course….

        Well, I am glad you also pay attention to what is going on in our wretched world. On most matters, you are more or less on target. Let us all hope God will grant us the means to see through the gathering murk and avoid falling victim to the enemy’s illusions and delusions….

  40. Hi John, it’s refreshing to hear someone bring up sin in the church. I know how bad that sounds but you nailed it; the church is not being convicted of our sins and as such there is no repentance. Australia is no different to America in that regard, it truly is hard to find a church that preaches heaven, hell, sin and repentance. It’s because of sin in the first place that we’re even here, living and breathing and going to Church on the weekend to worship our saviour that we all need! So why is it never mentioned? It’s a sad fact that I was living in sin a while ago but it took influences and people of God outside of my own church to convict me and bring me to repentance. It seems it’s all a numbers game, the more people through the doors the better apparently and it’s used as an indication of success. Unfortunately that normally means certain things are NOT being preached about if you get my drift. As much as I don’t want to leave my church, if my efforts to gently nudge my pastor in what I think is a better more truthful direction fail, I may be forced to. Thanks again John.

    • Hi Brett,

      It looks like you have reached that point that many of us face:

      To stay and help change your church

      To leave for a church that fits your needs

      I am glad that God has given you the maturity to reach this point. Not many get there. Eventually, you will reach that point where the key issue is whether your church helps you serve God. It sounds like you aren’t far away from that – if not already there.

      God bless you, Brett. None of this is easy. Clear skies and safe landings.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  41. Good Morning Denver time John: I stumbled upon your website (ha!) while looking into emp’s and read Ezekiels Fire in one sitting and been here weekly ever since. I waited to see if/how you would respond to Nathan, a man who’s word I have grown to trust. I was raised very irish and very catholic. became heavily engaged in wicca through finding my higher power in Alcoholics Anonymous….even sponsored a DID SRA victim. The Hand of God kept me from going too far in and protected my soul from generational demons which I have heard and seen since early childhood, one of these many reasons for my drunkenness. Jesus rescued me at age 54 and has given me a crash course in so many things. especially my need of repentance. satanic practice is all over the watchmen Christian internet and I heard Ted speak and turned it off. I am embarrassed by all the nonsense going on with you men who claim to speak for the One True God, why is it so difficult to simply speak the truth. The Truth will do The Lion of Judah’s work within each of us. we work out our own salvation with fear and trembling so that when the time comes we can and will Stand in our Savior’s Love. Nathan is a man of honor and truth, I need to pray harder for all of us because our battle has just begun and I will never make it without men like you speaking and teaching and preparing. In Jesus’ Grace and Peace until we meet face to face, Casey Connolly

    • Hi Casey Connolly,

      Well said brother.

      My wife and I have met several with that same issue with generational demons. And, demonic activity is rampant, here in Taiwan.

      I don’t normally talk about those other ‘watchmen’ who claim to speak on behalf of God. But… um …I’m a bit skeptical about most of them. Nathan is one of the few that I am not skeptical about.

      God bless you, Casey. I’m glad that you have been set free.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  42. I think as in most situations, in the end, we’re all flawed humans operating with our own unique filters trying to live according to God’s Word. In our house, we have often said there’s two or more sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I only saw Nathan’s comment about why he would not be attending the conference and didn’t really give it a thought after that. I understood and agreed that he was trying to live his life by example. You are judged by the company you keep after all and he didn’t want his presence to be misconstrued as endorsement. Perfectly justifiable. It sounds like it has exploded and gotten out of hand since then. But then Satan always attacks when he sees something advancing God’s kingdom!!

  43. Dear John, I sent a copy of this to Steve Qualye, Dave Hodges, the Hagmanns & precious Nathan. I submit it as an open letter to your readers. I love Doug, Joe, Steve, Dave, and Nathan. If this grieves us, imagine how it grieves The Lord.

    Dear Doug & Joe,

    I was shocked to hear of this horrible battle. I have been listening to Nathan’s broadcast in defense of his position and I have to say that he is completely, Biblically correct.

    I listened to Dr. Broer on Dave Hodges explaining his position, and was even more convinced that he was not being honest. There is no way in this world, NO WAY, that he did not know that a “chakra” was a New Age / Hindu religious term, specifically associated with Kundalini Yoga. Further, his references to our pineal gland, 3rd eye, etc, are all disconcerting.

    I do not fault you for not challenging him or calling him out. Frankly, he would be very hard to interrupt. He is obviously brilliant and very passionate. I also believe he is sincere in his research, albeit, in some ways, misguided.

    What is very disappointing is the attacks on Nathan. You introduced millions of us to Nathan on your program. I know you love and respect him. I don’t understand why his concerns were not given the gravitas they deserved. I don’t know why this could not have been honestly discussed. It should have never turned into this battle royale.

    I can say that I have often heard an arrogance in Dr. Broer. You have to admit that there have times he has been rude on your program, specifically short with Joe.
    You, in your patient grace let those episodes roll off your back, to your credit. When I have called his office, as per his invitation to your listeners, his son has been incredibly rude and curt to me. I chalked it up to a bad day. But having listened to Dr. Broer’s interview with Dave Hodges, I have concluded the reason this whole thing has blown up and split the Body is because Dr. Broer is an arrogant, disingenuous, (in reference to his limp ‘apology’), and unrepentant man. If you have not listened to Nathan’s broadcast I am confident you will see what I am writing to you about.

    Doug, there is a way out of this, at least on your part. Many of the facebook comments were alarming in the hurt and offense directed at you. I read that you had threatened to sue Nathan. This cannot possibly be true. If it is, then you have all been snared by the devil himself.

    I know you love Dr. Broer and his help has given you back your health. I believe you are a loyal friend to those who are honored with your friendship. This must be a horrible position to be in. Having said that, this issue was created because of false doctrines being promoted by Dr Broer and his pride in refusing to receive correction and offer THE SINCERE FRUIT OF REPENTANCE. Because of his ego, he has forced people to choose sides. Nathan has chosen to be faithful to the Word of God above all things. It has cost him greatly, when between brothers in Christ this should never have come to blows.

    Doug & Joe, I beseech you to be instruments of reconciliation. I ask you to reach out to Nathan to receive the correction he brought to your attention in the honesty and humility that has inspired thousands of us to love and trust you. You need to also approach Dr. Broer and determine if he will humble himself and repent. He needs to offer an apology to Nathan and your audience. No apology includes the word, “but”. Then you must choose to be faithful to The Lord by standing for the right. Recover yourselves from the snare of the fowler.

    Two scriptures: Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

    Job 34:2 Hear my words, O ye wise men; and give ear unto me, ye that have knowledge.
    3 For the ear trieth words, as the mouth tasteth meat.
    4 Let us choose to us judgment: let us know among ourselves what is good.

    Catherine Crābill

    • Hi Catherine Crabill,

      What a wonderful and wonderfully written letter. In every respect you have shown love of God and love for Doug and Joe.

      Very, very well done. I really am impressed by this, and I am grateful that you have shared it with us.

      It is a truly Biblical way to approach something like this. If everyone wrote like this, the angst would be far less, the wounds less deep.

      (And, you even used gravitas properly)

      As I would have said to my Italian friends, bravo bravissimo!

      Thank you so much, Catherine. I really appreciate the comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      PS. I took out your email address from the comment, for your own safety. – JL

  44. Hi John — I want to thank you. You are standing up for God’s truth and a wonderful man of God, Nathan Leal. He and Donna have been “tarred and feathered” lately, by people who profess to be Christian and should know better. So sad!

    I, too, listened to Ted B. on the Hagmann’s show and felt a very definite check in my spirit when chakras, 3rd eye and other New Age claptrap was mentioned. I’d had reservations about Ted before, but this was confirmation.

    My real let-downs were the attack Quayle and Lankford launched on Nathan and anyone who stood in agreement with him, and finding out that Doug H. evidently is threatening to sue Nathan and Donna.

    I can overlook Dave Hodges calling Nathan’s supporters “minions”, but I expected more from the other 3 men. (Listening to Ted play the “innocent victim” on Hodges’ show and trying to backpedal was waaaay over the top!)

    I have an opinion about what’s really behind this mess — money! It’s always all about the money! Are these men (Hagmann, Quayle, Lankford, Hodges and Broer)connected financially? Or is it just a “good ole boys” club closing ranks? (I know Ted is a sponsor of Doug’s show – not sure about the rest.) At any rate, they’ve sure caused Nathan and Donna a whole lot of heartache.

    I’ve thought about why Doug or Joe didn’t stop Ted when they heard what nonsense he was spewing during the show.
    Maybe that would have been too difficult – don’t know. However – Doug should have said something to Ted and the Hagmann listeners regarding New Age heresies at some point. How many “baby” Christians were misled by their seeming to give approval to whatever their guest said?

    This tragedy — and, I do consider this mess a tragedy — has Satan’s fingerprints all over it.

    I continue to pray for all involved – and for you, John.

    Anyway – thank you again, John. I enjoy your postings and love it when you’ve been interviewed on the Hagmann show.
    You’ve been a blessing to me!

    God bless you and your wife! Cathie

    • Well — I had to reply to my own message to add that it seems the Leal’s are being threatened with another lawsuit. This time from the founders of the hear the watchmen conference. According to Donna’s post (in the forum on Watchman’s Cry website), the founders are threatening over a cancellation by 10 people (that’s 10 for a total of $999 – seems like an awfully small amount to sue over). This just gets murkier and darker. Somehow, it’s beginning to look like some kind of spiritual warfare. Still praying!

    • Hi Cathie Zeien,

      Thank you for that comment. I am glad that there are so many faithful and aware readers and listeners.

      The information that I have gathered so far indicates that Doug and Joe Hagmann are not threatening a lawsuit, it is the organizer of the conference, Mike Kerr. And, I’m beginning to see that Ted Broer really isn’t the problem.

      Ted was just the catalyst.

      I will be continuing to investigate this issue. Every Friday will have at least a summary of what I’ve found, Lord willing. Eventually, there will be a report that names names.

      I believe that Steve Quayle, David Lankford, and the Hagmanns were lied to, therefore they reacted badly because the information that they had was distorted and outright lies. My hope is that they will see the truth and allow themselves to be reconciled with Nathan Leal.

      This is a trying time for all of us, but it has also revealed those that are true, and those who are not.

      Thank you, Cathie. May you and your family also be blessed.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  45. “if the Christians of two hundred years ago were among us today, you wouldn’t need me to tell you anything.”

    WOW! That hurts and only because it is so true.

    Your spiritual battles — at least in part — are so great because your message is so strong and true to God’s word. Of course, you know that. You are helping a lot of people navigate through very troubled waters. Well…That can’t be. We are supposed to drown in a sea of watered down – almost completely diluted – Christianity. Most of us have difficulty finding a true church in a city FULL OF “churches”.

    Voices (writings) like yours are far too few for times like this, and I am extremely grateful God led me to your site. I will pray for you and your beautiful wife as you fight these battles. God has plenty to say to those of us listening. and he speaking through you in a mighty way.


  46. John,

    Why do these leading Rabbi’s engage in Kabbalah, meditate in the Zohar & Talmud? Are these Jewish Rabbis who anticipate the imminent arrival of Messiah awaiting for the arrival of Antichrist? As we all know, Antichrist comes first. Did you know that the founder of the Jesuit Order (Ignatius Loyola) engaged in the very same spiritual exercises that the Kabbalists engage in? Would love to have your opinion. My opinion; I think the world is being set up for a major deception that is far worse than anyone ever anticipated. Lucifer has managed to infiltrate not only the Church but has fully infiltrated the Jewish ranks as well. When the Church sees the Orthodox Jews embracing Antichrist as Messiah, they will not want to be left behind and will follow suit. No maneuver by Lucifer would be as devastating to the Church as this would be. Isaiah 9:16 “For the leaders of this people cause them to err, And those who are led by them are destroyed.”

    Isaiah does a brilliant job calling them out in Isaiah 28:14-15, don’t you think. They end up signing the 7 year peace treaty brokered by the Vatican, which Isaiah calls the Treaty of Death.


    • Hi Truth,

      Sorry to delete the rest, but it was too long.

      It does not matter what the Jews do or think. Before we were saved, we were all followers of Satan.

      This line of thought that you are following is a deception. Kabbalism is merely the codification of practices that are found in many other pagan religions. The fact that it appears in Judaism is no surprise. It too is a pagan religion, just as most of Catholicism.

      Furthermore, Ezekiel’s Fire must come BEFORE the Antichrist arrives:

      And, the promises made to the children of Jacob WILL BE FULFILLED. If you resist that, you will suffer the wrath of God.

      If you love the truth, then you must follow what the WHOLE BIBLE says.

      Please be careful, T.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  47. Wow. This particular situation with Nathan has certainly caused a ruckus. Spiritual attack is abundant. We are right smack in the middle of a major evil offensive with this one. These are incredible times we live in. Thankfully Our Lord Jesus Christ is our strength and safe haven. John, I hope you get some time to relax, but these are crazy days for The Church. I Thank you for your time. Montana sends her support. All Glory be to God.

  48. John,

    I appreciate your comments. I try to be open minded about what I hear and ask for discernment accordingly. I listened to part of the Ted Broer podcast, but the last hour had a glitch on my phone and I couldn’t hear most of the controversial issues. I have had a somewhat uneasy feeling about Ted, but think he has a lot of really good health info.
    1. The 3rd eye comment/pineal gland comment sounded off base.
    2. He has talked about string theory and higher dimensions. That is inconvertable, however, I don’t think anyone knows for sure how many dimensions. I suspect that is what CERN is all about, to open a portal into the higher dimensions to allow a demonic flood in.
    3. One of the other controversial statements was concerning frequencies. The Hagmanns had another pastor on later that makes a good case that some frequencies are good for you, some are bad. What is your opinion?
    I am still weighing the evidence on this issue. I think that is what the Lord wants me to do. I did hear something from Nathan that didn’t sound right to me, and I ran it by a pastor and he felt it was not biblical. Unfortunately, I have lost the passage, but it related to a podcast on H & H where Nathan talked about tattoos and an admonision against them. He used a O.T. passage that was something like don’t let someone hit you hard or quickly. I apologize for not having it right.

    Thank you for the clarification of this issue,


    • Hi Mike McKay,

      I’m glad that you’re trying to be careful with what you hear. Just remember to always compare what you hear with the Bible. Always.

      As for frequencies… I don’t have much to say. I’m a bit cynical. But, I’ve been cynical about quite a few things and been very, very wrong.

      I believe that the most important part of any music, is the words.

      The verse about tattoos comes from here:

      Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

      – Leviticus 19:28

      I’m afraid that tattoos make me uneasy. Even the ‘Christian’ ones. There is something in my Spirit that is repulsed by this.

      Is it a sin to have a tattoo?

      I don’t think so, but I don’t think that God is pleased with the tattoos that I see. Furthermore, there is an undeniable religious element to so many of them. A religious element that rejects God.

      For myself, I will never, ever get a tattoo. But, it doesn’t mean that you need to take yours off. Although, you might need to, if the tattoo is bad enough.

      As Christians, we are free from the Law, but we need to remember that the Law also reflects the mind of God. The context of the Law may have changed. But, the mind of God does not.

      But, let me stress that I do NOT advocate the following of all 613 commandments – just the ones required of us in the New Testament.

      I hope that helps, Mike.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  49. Thank you John for taking the time, the effort and the courage to expose Sin in The Church. May God bless you mightily for doing this now.

    You have undertaken to stand with Jesus Christ, the bible and Jesus’ servant, Nathan Leal. The powers of darkness and evil spirits do not want the curtain to be pulled back exposing the lies, the deceit and the deception.

    John, this man, Michael Scott Kerr, Mike Moore aka Mike WhiteStone or whatever name he is using today is viciously seeking to cause division, deception and distortion of The True Gospel, as well as trying to destroy a godly man’s reputation and his ministry.

    Mike, if you are reading this, please stop spreading your lies. How do I know you are lying, you might ask? Because I have heard you do so and they are in print on the net. Mike, you are unmercifully threatening and harassing the Leals. How do I know you are harassing them, you might ask? Because I have seen your filthy obscenities against Nathan and his wife, Donna.

    Mike, you are a very troubled and lost man. In biblical terms, you are severely demonized and in great need of deliverance. What you are cooperating with compels you to lie, to deceive, to distort, to try to destroy and to threaten. If you were a true believer and a student of the bible, you would be in fear to touch God’s anointed. Repent, Mike, and seek deliverance for the day of salvation is at hand! True salvation in Christ is not some words uttered then going back to your same old addictions, perversions and ways. I pray you confess, repent and renounce your sins and come to real salvation in Jesus Christ.

    Thank you, again John, for your righteous stand with The Lord God Almighty, Jesus Christ, and His Word. And thank you for peeling back the layers on these unwarranted and malicious attacks against God’s servant, Nathan Leal.

    • Hi BR,

      Thank you for providing that information. I will now be doing more research. I was originally going to say that the three ‘Mikes’ that you indicated above were not the same, but I now have evidence that this is not true.

      Michael Scott Kerr

      Mike Moore

      Mike Whitestone

      All three of those ‘men’ are the same person. I have already discovered three instances of illegal and fraudulent behavior. He has lied and misrepresented himself. I will now be doing research today to find out how far this corruption goes, but I’m afraid that it goes very far indeed.

      As a warning to the ‘Three Mikes’, if you attempt to silence me through threats of legal action, as you have done to at least two others, you will only be encouraging me to redouble my efforts. The whole truth must come out, and I will not stop until it is out.

      I invite the ‘Three Mikes’ to provide proof to me that they are not the same person. But, I already have proof that Kerr and Whitestone are the same person. And, I have circumstantial evidence that Moore is also a name that he has been using.

      I was not expecting to uncover such corruption and lies, but now that I have… well …I am sickened and determined to flush it out. This is horrifying.

      Let me repeat to everyone that I have never been a follower of Nathan Leal. Nor have I ever had any communication personal or public with Nathan Leal that I can find or recall – before January 6, 2016. I am as disinterested an observer, as you can find, while still being a ‘brother in Christ’. Furthermore, when I sent Nathan that first request for information 15 days ago, he responded with no request for help and gave me no pertinent information, or a request to pursue this case.

      It was only when Mike made his statements in this comment section, that certain parties provided me with information to warn me of the threats that Mike has already made to Nathan Leal and at least one other person. If Mike had kept his comments to himself, I would have been kept in the dark.

      Mike, you did it to yourself.

      Thank you, BP. You have provided a service to me and to the Body of Christ, by coming forward with this information.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  50. Hi, John! I am so grateful for your website and message. Of all the voices in the so-called alternative media, you are one of three or four that I feel led to pray for because I truly believe you speak the truth to the best of your ability (we all see through the glass dimly, but I think you see pretty darn clearly). That said, I sent you a personal email a year or so ago which contained so troubling information about Q and H&H. I am assuming you never read it or dismissed it outright, which I understand…. But, perhaps in light of the way they handled this latest controversy, you will continue to prayerfully consider (I am sure you have been praying a lot about this) your defense of team Quayle. It doesn’t take a theological genius to figure out the Broer stuff is full of spiritual deception. And, I have heard Doug and Joe stop guests before when they tread into new age territory, why not this time?. And for what it is worth, I have a check in my spirit whenever I hear Steve Quayle speak. I could be wrong, Lord knows I often am! Thanks for all your work! Praying for your care and protection.

    • Hi Kate,

      I’m sorry about not responding to your email. I am very, very bad about doing that, as most family and friends can attest. It is one of my many faults.

      I do not dismiss allegations against anyone, except God. However, I believe in being careful and weighing such allegations when someone like Steve or the Hagmanns… or ANY brother in Christ who has demonstrated a sincere desire to serve God.

      I have my disagreements Steve and the Hagmanns, but I do not doubt their sincerity in any way. Of course, sincerity is not enough, but it does count for a lot.

      Steve does not talk about the countless number of people that he has helped over the years, and I am witness to some of them. That willingness to help without getting any credit for it is very significant.

      For all of his faults, Steve is a good brother in Christ, and I believe the same about Doug and Joe.

      This doesn’t mean that I ignore faults. I certainly do not. You should not ignore my own faults.

      Thank you, Kate. I appreciate your willingness to bring this to me. May the Lord guide you in the dark days ahead.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • You are unfailingly kind and even handed, and I know that because I read all your comments, partly because I am moved by your witness. I wish I could bring you and your wife to my thanksgiving dinner to witness to my unsaved family. All I get is frustrated and upset. Anyway, praying for you and your wife. God bless you!

    • My wife and I both have had that same “check” in our spirit regarding SQ for YEARS… Even when we tried to listen to him, we would end up turning off the radio no matter who was hosting… Fear and paranoia are his stock in trade and I get no witness of Christ speaking through him.

  51. if these allegations are true, I am extremely sad for all the victims, and it seems there are many past and present victims.
    What is very surprising is that certain investigators did not do their due diligence before partnering with an accused con artist and it does does not give the appearance of honesty for goodness sake. 😉
    Sin will be exposed. God will not be mocked.
    Looking forward to your article tomorrow.

  52. Dear B.R. and John,

    Is it possible for you to post links to what Mike Kerr/Moore/Whitestone (how crazy is that??) has said about the Leal situation? I have not seen anything about his role in this.

    Also, I’m looking forward to your next article about this John. I believe the Lord is using you to expose the lies that have apparently been thrust on all of the followers of these “watchmen”. It’ is my prayer that whatever you are able to write about will bring about repentance and healing. Your objectivity is going to be so important to bringing the truth to the matter!!

    Thank you.

    • Hi Angel,

      I’m glad that I’ve been used by God, in this matter. But, I hate doing this with a passion. Just ask my wife.

      But, there is one thing that I will never tolerate, bullying and false accusation. I’ve suffered too much of that in my life, and I will not stand by while others suffer that same fate.

      As for the ‘Three Mikes’ as I call him, I will be going into some detail tomorrow, Lord willing. We will see how it goes. I am not quite ready to name all the names or give all the details. I wish to let the information accumulate, and I want to give time for the guilty party(s) to repent of what they have done and take steps to undo the damage that they have done.

      I do not believe that they will do so, but I must give them a chance.

      I’m afraid that this conference has been corrupted by the less-than-honest intentions of the organizers. Just the fact that ‘Three Mikes’ has been using three aliases (currently and concurrently) tells me that the problem runs far deeper than I see right now.

      My suspicion is that there was a financial relationship between Ted Broer and ‘Three Mikes’. I cannot be certain, but it is the ‘operating theory’ that I am running with.

      Otherwise, ‘Three Mikes’ would not have launched the attacks against Nathan Leal and at least one other person.

      Here’s a clue for you:

      Three people are missing from the original lineup of speakers.

      I know that at least two of them were threatened with a lawsuit by ‘Three Mikes’.

      There is corruption at work here. I just don’t know how deep it goes.

      Thank you, Angel. I will do my best to report all this accurately.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  53. Hi John — I’m reading “Ezekial’s Fire” — excellent, by the way! I have a question —

    Who are “the elect” that are mentioned in Matt 24:24 “….insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”?

    I’ve asked and received three different opinions from various people. 1 – the Jews, 2- the Jews and the true Christians and 3 – the Christians.

    I’d very much appreciate your opinion. Thanks and blessings to you!

    • Hi Cathie Zeien,

      To me – these ‘elect’ – are those who are in Christ – ie, saved.

      They have the Holy Spirit and will be immune to the lies being told to them. But, the lies will be so good that many of ‘the elect’ will wonder at those lies. I am expecting something REALLY persuasive.

      So, put me in the camp of ‘True Christians’. Only a pretribber would say ‘Jews’, because pretribbers believe that the Jews will be left behind in a pre-trib rapture. (BTW, I do NOT hate pretribbers. Most of my friends are.)

      You’ll get to the part where I go ballistic on the pretrib lie. I wish that it wasn’t a lie, but I’m stuck with the Truth.

      Unfortunately, all of those Jews who have not embraced Christ as their Lord and Savior will be deceived by the Antichrist.

      Things will get rolling soon, Cathie. I hope that you’ll be ready when events arrive at your door.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  54. Wow. What a raging controversy. But it doesn’t need to be. I have long been fascinated at the ingenious way God always outsmarts the enemy, and even when things look like a disaster, a deeper understanding shows God’s will still winning.

    Recall certain words of Our Lord. By their fruits ye shall know them, wolves in sheep’s clothing; and other NT verses, namely that if we are true Christians we will love our brothers; namely, to do to them as we would have done to us. If we do not love our brothers, the truth is not in us. Read that again. The truth is not in them, the ones who are acting unlovingly – is it then any surprise that they are lying and misrepresenting? Fortunately for us in this day and age, much of what was said is out there forever on the internet, and contradictions easily found. And forwarded. Makes it a bit more difficult to deny.

    Those threatening lawsuits over their perceived financial losses are revealing their true motives just about as clearly as they possibly could. Nothing poor Nathan said could have damaged their reputations as badly as what they have done themselves. We also must keep in mind that God Himself sends a strong delusion to those who DO NOT LOVE THE TRUTH. If you love the truth, that means even when it is inconvenient, embarrassing, unprofitable, name your circumstance. The truth is the truth, and those who love it will face it and incorporate it into their behavior and values.

    I would caution the well-meaning sheep even further. Do not take on a wolf and try to love it. There is such a thing as being so open-minded that your brains fall out, and I’ve seen naive Christians do this over and over, WHICH IS WHY CHARLATANS FIND THEM SUCH EASY PREY AND SO EASILY SEPARATED FROM THEIR MONEY. You are not obligated by God to suffer a wolf. The Word tells us, “from such turn away”. Turn away. They’ve shown their true colors. Don’t go to their conferences, it is just ear-tickling for the sake of their profits. I wouldn’t even waste my breath trying to cajole them into repentance. Sociopaths play the Christian circuit too, it is a very profitable one. Especially if they can get the tax breaks associated with being a church!!!!

    • I’d like to comment further on my comment. About not wasting my breath trying to cajole them into repentance. Consider that they are representing themselves as Christians, in which case they know very well what is the expected behavior and when repentance is in order. Consider secondly that repentance must be sincere to be repentance, in which case no one should have to twist your arm to make you do it. Nor could such arm-twisting create sincerity – either it’s there or it’s not. Consider thirdly that sociopaths are very clever at faking whatever behaviors are needed to accomplish their deception, and they will read you like a book and deceive accordingly. I think we need to recognize the sociopaths circulating in the churches as much if not more than the ones in government/politics/big business.

      To bring it back to my original point, that God’s will always wins – note that in the case of a sincere Christian, they will naturally feel remorse and repent, and they will respond to the guidance of the Holy Spirit. So you don’t really need to do anything but pray for them, or feel responsible for their behavior. In the case of a sociopath, you can’t trust anything they say or do. They will do whatever gets them what they want. I still don’t know what, exactly, a sociopath is in spiritual terms – are they soulless shells inhabited by a demon? Are they a former normal person who has chosen the dark side and been given over to it? I don’t know. But I do know you cannot talk them out of being a sociopath, no matter what you say. It never hurts to pray for them. But don’t get your hopes up that they will just snap out of it.

    • Hi DRG,

      Well said, brother.

      I love this part of your comment:

      There is such a thing as being so open-minded that your brains fall out

      My own brains have fallen out a time or two, and it’s not a pretty sight, to see them lying all over the sidewalk.

      We are ONLY to be open minded when approaching the Bible. And, an open mind towards the Bible will not lead towards ‘cranial evacuation’.

      I am currently dealing with someone who has all the characteristics of a wolf, here in Taipei, so your advice is pertinent. My hope is that I’m wrong, but I can’t afford to be too ‘open-minded’ on this. Sin is sin. Attacking and killing the weakest of the flock must stop.

      Wolves CANNOT be allowed in any leadership position in a church.

      As always, DRG, an excellent and thought-provoking comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • A word to the wise is superfluous. Nevertheless, don’t forget that not only should wolves not be allowed in a leadership position, they should be thrown out of the flock and not readmitted until they have proven they are no longer wolves. In ANY kind of clothing. They do damage no matter WHERE they are. The honorable leaders are analogous to shepherds and it is their responsibility to do all they can to keep the flock safe – if you were a shepherd, and one of your peers revealed himself to be a wolf, would you just demote him and let him spend the night in the barn with the flock? The whole purpose of putting them in the barn at night is to protect from wolves and coyotes, right? So the shepherd can get some rest???

        I get so frustrated with this ‘cranial evacuation’ phenomenon so common in churches, where people are afraid to take a stand for righteousness and try to lamely excuse it as “we’re not supposed to judge.” I love the way Ann Barnhardt doesn’t fall for that, and calls a spade a spade. But when you look at what has happened to churches over the past several hundred years, this totally explains it. First of all, if they aren’t sure what’s right or wrong, 1) they don’t know their bible well enough and 2) their pastor is gravely remiss. It is absolutely necessary both to know what the bible says for yourself, and get some kind of teaching somewhere from a person whose calling is to make a full time study of it. Honesty compels me to confess that I do not follow this advice as well as I should and I need to get back to work on diligent reading. But I have read enough not to be a complete ignoramus. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” No kidding. But knowing is only the half of it. Those who know must do something about it.

  55. John,

    It wasn’t that long ago that your total number of viewers were a few hundred people if that … now you have almost that many commentators alone. God has honored Your heart John and enlarged your sphere of influence because of your love for Him. In my opinion, You have made something vary rare these days your focus … ” the Truth,” … as God reveals it. I also believe that through due diligence, integrity and research, you have resolved in your spirit to share only that, regardless of what it cost. Please do the same, when you are choosing those you align yourself with, despite what they seemingly may have to offer.

    On the other hand John, God often places His Greatest Warriors, dead center in the most intense part of the battle, and when the smoke finally clears … he is the “Only One” … left standing.

    I don’t know what this is all about John, but I do know that God is on Your side and for what it’s worth … I am too. YOU WILL DO … WHAT IS RIGHT.

    May the God we serve together, continue to Richly Bless and Protect you my friend.

    Israel Hanna

    • Hi Israel Hanna,

      That is high praise coming from someone like yourself. And, you offer good advice for ANY aspiring writer.

      On this road, we will often find fellow travelers, but these friendships are not a ‘free pass’. We must always love the truth, more than each other.

      Of course, the best friend is one who loves the truth, more than you.

      That’s the way it is with my wife and me. Mrs. Little loves the Lord far more than me, and it’s the most wonderful thing in the world. Although, those well-aimed whacks with the Bible… HURT!

      One day, my ‘star’ will wane, and another will take my place. The sooner, the better! I’m always on the lookout for good writers, and I think that I’ve found a few.

      Keep up the good work, Israel. To all who are interested in a fantastic testimony, go to:

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John Little,

        I believe you are one of the few, … that Both … Lives and Understands this “Great Mystery.” ( It is Especially Important Now )

        Big John … Little John.

        Little John … Big John.


        Thank you for your Kind, Uplifting and Encouraging Words once again.

        Israel Hanna

  56. Dear John,
    I found this website curious since Nathan is still listed on it and payments are currently be made there: The watchmen need you- Mike Whitestone’s Go Fund Me. I would have thought that Mike would have removed Nathan’s name. I pray all is resolved for God’s people and satan’s involvement is exposed. Keep up the good job!

  57. Hello, as the body we must always remember Jesus looks at our fruit. What fragrance comes from our lives. In Song of Solomon when the Shulamite woman could not find the Shepard he was in the garden eating the fruit of the vine, smelling the fragrance from our lives. Song of Solomon 6:11. He is the fruit inspector.
    We are to test the spirits at all times. We can learn great and deep things but must come back to the basic simple truth. He looks at our heart.
    Thank u Nathan and John. Blessings in his name.
    I went to a revival in lakeland Florida in 2008. That changed my life forever. I was a hallelujah Christian. I called myself that because I was covered in a glass bubble not aware of evil around me. Anyways, so deep in the revival, I flew down 3 times. What happened to me was horrible to say it lightly. I was exposed to the max in new age. Passed on to me was the kundalini spirit. I was seeing Jesus with a third eye, transported, I saw pan, nephilum, we were opening portals, which we thought that angels were coming through but they were demons. When I got home it all hit me. I was literally fighting legions of demons. I couldn’t pray because this false Jesus would appear. I couldn’t read the word or listen to any gospel music. Esp. Hillsong which is bathed in new age. I could only hold on to what I knew. The lord has slowly brought me out of darkness. Understand I went to this revival to worship the lord Jesus unaware what I was opening up to .
    So do I think what Ted Broer is teaching is dangerous. Lord have mercy. Extremely dangerous. To those who may not understand. Jesus said many false Christs are in the world. Staying at his feet at all times in humility, being teachable, Not holding onto callings or positions going back to the basics daily is the key.
    His blessings

    • Dee, I am so grateful for what you wrote here. Back when the Lakeland revival was in full swing, Nathan Leal warned about that, too. Many of my closest friends went hook, line and sinker for that “out-pouring”, even traveling across the continent to attend, or subscribing to GodTV in order to be able to watch it 24/7. But I kept having a gag reflex, which troubled and confused me that something was wrong with me, that I couldn’t “receive”. However, it was a great comfort and confirmation to have Nathan be a watchman then, as now.

  58. I heard Doug Hagmann defend “Brother Mike” on J.B. Wells’ show yesterday. Disturbing.

    Like you, I reached out to Nathan. He TOLD ME that Hagmann had refused his overtures.
    He TOLD ME that when he reached out to Broer, the man cursed him out.
    I contacted Hodges (who remains close to Broer) and I suggested that he listen to Nathan’s MP3. He angrily told me to never email him again.
    I did the same with Lankford and received a terse email response.
    I contacted “Brother Mike” (notice that is how he ALWAYS refers to himself) to ask for a refund (I literally live 10 minutes from the DFW Hilton and was one of the first to purchase a ticket) and didn’t hear back quickly. Finally, he got back to me and asked me if I would still attend knowing that Broer was removed. I decided to go. It may be very enlightening to actually be there now to see how all of this pans out, even if not for the original intended purpose. I can let you know.

    You may want to reach out to J.B. Just a thought.

    God Bless You!

    • Hi Randy Tanner,

      Thank you for that update. All of that was good to know and a needed confirmation.

      I have also been hearing that John B. Wells has been looking into this, and is concerned about what this conference really is.

      My own view is that the conference was put together for profit, and for the self-aggrandizement of Michael Scott Kerr. This doesn’t mean that it’s a bad conference, or that there is a ‘danger’ for anyone going.

      You may be blessed by this conference, and I hope that you are. I look forward to hearing your input after the conference is over.

      Thank you, Randy. Important comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  59. I listened to the Nathan Leal indictment.
    Yeah, Broer is New Agey.
    Was it worth splitting a spiritual conference to prove a point?
    Leal has used his insult to attack a series of alternative Christian media outlets.
    I suspect that Broer’s views on the Rothschild’s have more to do with Leal (not his real name, you know what I mean) and his attack.
    Way to go Lealstein.
    You’d make a fine Pharisee.
    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to pluck out my eye.

    • Hi DIM,

      You forget that it wasn’t Nathan Leal who made a big deal about this. He actually handled it pretty quietly.

      In fact, if everyone had just left Nathan Leal alone, I would not have heard about this. I had no interest in the conference and had no opinion on it at all.

      But, Steve Quayle and David Lankford attacked Nathan Leal for three hours on a popular program, so I started asking questions – of everyone, privately and directly.

      The answers pointed directly at sin, and sin must ALWAYS BE EXPOSED.

      If Michael Scott Kerr had left ME alone and not left a comment on Omega Shock, I would NOT have known that he was at the center of this. I would NOT have known about this THREATS of legal action against Nathan, or others.

      By your comment, DIM, you are advocating corruption. No Christian should ever do so. So, yes please remove that board out of your eye, and I shall seek for the splinter in my own.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  60. Never have the Hagmann’s demanded any specific religious fealty of a guest. Many guests are a religious or do not confess to hold any specific doctrine. Some do. They are all welcome to provide their insights.
    The Broers are health providers.
    They were going to that conference to lecture on vitamins and diet.
    Ted actually follows a strict diet that avoids shellfish and pork, like many followers of Judaism.
    But what right does Leal(not his real name) have to demand doctrinal obedience from the Hagmann’s or a guest?
    The Hagmann’s often appear on Coast To Coat AM, as does Steve Quayle and many others. John B Wells used to work there.
    Should they be banned from all conferences because Leal(not his real name) is offended?
    I don’t think John B Wells is ordained in any ministry, at least I don’t think he ever professed to one.
    He hosts a tv show about alien visitations.
    Should we run to Leal(not his real name) and ask if it’s OK to hear Well’s speak?
    I know Christ died for all our sins, but he didn’t make Leal(not is real name) his sole representative on earth.

    • Hi DIM,

      You seem to have chosen to ignore the facts of the case.

      I have presented them clearly, so you are without excuse.

      Nathan Leal did NOT attack Doug Hagmann. He didn’t even attack ‘Three Mikes’. All that he did was state that he could not share the stage with Ted Broer. I only got into this when Steve and Dave sinned against Nathan – using the Hagmann platform.

      Your twisting of the truth, DIM, is disturbing. It makes me wonder who you really are.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  61. I normally would not respond to these kinds of posts on another persons blog. But the absurdity of it makes me want to.

    Does it Matter falsely stated that LEAL is not my husband Nathan’s last name.

    Well I have a birth certificate, a wedding certificate and a passport that states that Nathan Leal (no middle name) is the name of my husband.

    It is a beautiful name that means Loyal in Spanish. And Loyal he is.

    Have a blessed day,
    Donna Anita LEAL

  62. Dear John:

    Thanks for your consistent service to Jesus, the body of Christ and speaking the truth when it counts, every day, all day long.

    The person DIM (doesit matter) is obsessively trying to make an issue where none exists. He/she writes in the same style as Three Mikes here and elsewhere on the web, so one has to wonder if he is one and the same person. If so then, Three Mikes, why are you hiding behind a pseudonym?

    Mike, if you are reading this, grow some courage. The onion layers of your identity, MM, MK and MW have been revealed, so it is time to man up and move on. Mike your defense of the situation is indefensible. You are making up stuff to try to change what really happened. Those with The Holy Spirit that have carefully followed this situation see right thru your nonsense.

    Mr. Leal has been around the believing community as an ordained minister for decades. As his wife of many years Donna A. Leal, attested, he has one last name, Leal. That’s the end of the subject.

    DIM is making anti Semitic innuendos by falsely changing Mr. Leal’s name and adding “stein” on the ending. I find the tactic highly offensive. This is a diversionary method to deflect from the real issue at hand which is Sin in The Church.

    True believers of Jesus Christ accept reproof and repent because they appreciate the opportunity to make things right. And then they proceed with more important matters ie: The True Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Thanks, again, John for listening.


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