The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 4 – Causing True Harm

I know that it seems like this isn’t really all that significant, and three years ago, I might have agreed with you. But, we have brothers and sisters who are asleep, and you need tools to help wake them up.

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Worse, as I dug deeper into this issue, I’ve found that the damage that this Lie has done isn’t limited to our ability to survive the Tribulation. It is corrupting our view of the Bible, and it has ALREADY caused horrifying trauma to Christians in far away places.

Like it or not, this Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie is just another version of the feel-good, prosperity doctrine from someone like Joel Osteen. It’s spiritual heroin, and it’s gotta’ stop.


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The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 4 – Causing True Harm

I completely understand why the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie took hold in the 1800s. People were terrified by the idea of going through any part of what was described in the Book of Revelation. They didn’t want to see their loved ones killed or hurt. They didn’t want the terrible suffering that could come… well, at any moment.

So, when John Nelson Darby incorporated the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie into his theory of Dispensationalism, it was like a gulp of water to a man dying of thirst. It allowed us to look at the future with anticipation, and not dread.

Spiritual Heroin

It was like heroin.

I have never taken heroin, but I’ve seen the horrifying effects. And, the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie is spiritual heroin in its purest form. It will put you to sleep with a smile on your face, and you will feel WONDERFUL.

I know one of the few people who have been able to escape heroin addiction, and he tried many different drugs as a young man. And, he says that there’s NOTHING like heroin. In fact, it’s so good that I can’t repeat how he describes it.

One of the great things about Taiwan, he says, is that it is almost impossible to get heroin.

Just one more reason to live here.

But, is it really that big of a deal to be hooked on spiritual heroin?

Corrie Ten Boom

Well, Corrie Ten Boom has something to say about that.

Corrie Ten Boom speaks about the Tribulation and the Rapture (Mirror)

YouTube shortlink:

Actually, I could stop right here. Corrie said it all, and this woman with such a beautiful soul will meet us in heaven with her own crown, for all that she has done.

Will you listen to what she said?

Will you wake up to the truth of the Bible?

We spoke lies to the Chinese Christians and the African Christians, telling them that nothing could possibly happen to them – that the future was bright and glorious, that God would keep them from persecution.

So, when persecution came, they weren’t ready.

Please Stay Home

Please, if you preach the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie, and you wish to go out and preach this lie to Asia and Africa…

…stay home.

We don’t need lies. We need the truth.

I heard a story about an African Christian that was meeting with a pastor for dinner, and he said something interesting. He told this pastor to stop sending missionaries to Africa. He said that they are preaching a prosperity doctrine, and it’s hurting them.

I tell you the same thing about Asia. I’ve lived in Asia for close to twenty years, and I can tell you that we don’t need missionaries to preach American Christianity. If that’s you, please stay home.

There are only two conditions of the Christian here in Asia. There are either people planning to kill them, or there are people trying to kill them. And, your pre-tribulation prosperity rapture fraud is killing us.

So, if you are a dispensationalist in Asia…

…Go Home.

The rest of us will still need to clean up the mess you’ve made, but it’s better than having someone around who keeps making a mess.

And yes, dispensationalism is just another feel-good, Joel Osteen prosperity gospel.

You ARE Going To Suffer Persecution

Please get this into your head. It’s from the Bible:

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.2 Timothy 3:12

And please don’t tell me how you’ve suffered persecution.

Have you almost died from being beaten?

Have you had to run for your life?

Have you even been thrown in jail for Christ?

I know a Arab brother in Christ who went through ALL of that. I doubt that any of us are ready to go through what he’s gone through – yet, he’s out there, at the mosque, after prayers to try and reach other Arabs with the gospel.

None of us have suffered real persecution. Yes, I understand that life might not have been easy for you, but you still have no idea about what real persecution is. And this Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie is designed to keep you from being prepared for what Asian Christians have already experienced – and are experiencing, right now.

It’s The Great Persecution

Now, I’m going to add something to our discussion that you must get right, so pay attention to what I am telling you:

The Tribulation Is Not The Wrath Of God

I’m going to wait a moment to let that sink in, because it’s corollary is important.

Now, take a breath. Hold it. Let it out slowly.

Are you ready for the next bit?

Okay. Here it is:

The Tribulation Is The Wrath Of Satan.

Oh dear. You’re hyperventilating again.

Take a deep breath. Hold it. Let it out slowly.

If you need a chill pill, take it now, because I’m about to add insult to injury by showing you what the Bible says:

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.Revelation 12:7-12

Then Revelation 12 goes on to say this:

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:13-17

That last verse is verse 17. I’ll repeat it here:

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17


Did you get that?

For three and a half years, those in Israel – who have accepted Christ – will be sheltered from the wrath of Satan. Because Satan can’t get to these Israeli Christians, he will go after those Christians in the rest of the World that he CAN get to – again, for three and a half years.

That is the Great Tribulation, but it might be better to call it The Great Persecution – because that is what it is.

Maybe we should stop calling it The Great Tribulation and start calling it The Great Persecution.

Corrupting The Bible

It will be the greatest time of persecution of Christians that the world has ever seen – and your pastor is probably saying that you won’t ever see it. And, as Corrie Ten Boom said, any teacher who teaches such a thing is a false teacher.

Now, you might say that one false teaching doesn’t make you a false teacher.

Really? Are you sure about that?

Yes, I understand that we all get things wrong. I myself have been deeply wrong about more than one Bible passage. In fact, I’m sure that I am still wrong about something, somewhere in the Bible.

We are all sinful, and therefore prone to misinterpreting the Bible – and then teaching that misinterpretation. Worse, our misinterpretation isn’t just a corruption of one part of the Bible. It reaches out and corrupts the rest of the Bible.

John MacArthur

Take my series on twisting the Bible:

It was inspired by an abominable statement made by John MacArthur – that you could still go to heaven, even if you took the Mark of the Beast.

Why did he make such a horrendous statement?

He reasoned that, since the Pre-Tribulation Rapture must be true, there would be no Christians on Earth, when the Antichrist came. He reasoned further that, since the Antichrist would make everyone take the Mark of the Beast, anyone who gets saved during the Tribulation would already have the Mark of the Beast. Therefore, his reasoning said that you CAN take the Mark of the Beast and still go to heaven.

Yet, he chose to ignore this verse:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Revelation 14:11

He also ignored this verse:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.Revelation 20:4

And THAT is what happens when you allow false teaching to take hold of you. It causes you to ignore parts of the Bible – parts that are vital. It causes you to CORRUPT the Bible.

You Must Flee False Teaching

If you allow ANY deception to take hold of you, you will find your interpretation of the Bible to be corrupt. You will become a false teacher.

Now, like I said, we all get things wrong. The fact that we often learn something new when we read our Bibles, tells us that this is a process. It is a rare Christian that just happens to be in the right church that is teaching the right doctrine. Some of you have come from churches that have had so much wrong… well, it’s taken time for you to even be able to read what I’ve said.

I get that, because I’ve been there.

But, that’s why you MUST treat opportunities like this carefully. If you hold to a pre-tribulation rapture, I have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have a problem.

You may not be able to agree with me yet that the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a lie, and I understand that. But, you MUST seek the truth until this ‘problem’ that I have presented to you is dealt with.


Because the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie has corrupted your view of the Bible. You will only be able to deal with that corruption, when you’ve gotten rid of this lie.

Seek Out The Lies In Your Life

And yes, once you’ve gotten rid of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie, your work isn’t done. You must seek out all the other lies that you hold and get rid of THEM, too.

Satan has succeeded in his goal of causing the Body of Christ to fall asleep. And, as we have slept, he has crept in and taken power in this world. He has infected our churches with false doctrine. He has weakened our hands and loosened our grip on the Bible – and what it means to suffer persecution.

We are unready for the time when Satan will lose the war in heaven, and will be cast down to Earth. We are NOT ready for the coming of The Great Persecution.

Now is the time to stop the spiritual heroin and wake up.

There is no time left.

I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
(That’s a link. Do more than just think about it.)


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91 thoughts on “The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 4 – Causing True Harm”

  1. It is a very bold statement to say that something is a lie unless you have absolute proof that it is, which you don’t. All you have is another opinion based on certain scriptures which you have assembled to support your pre-conceived view. Someone once said to me “you can make the Bible sound like anything you want it to”. I suggest you stop sowing discord amongst the body of Christ and start loving your brothers and sisters in the Lord who may have a different opinion than you do. When we meet Jesus, we will ALL realize how wrong we were on some things. “This is how they will know that you are my disciples, that you LOVE one another”. God Bless

    • Hi John Stewart,

      Well, I guess that it’s also just another opinion to say that Jesus is God, and my Lord and Savior.

      Do I have your permission to call any doctrine that disagrees with that a lie?

      Furthermore, if you see someone addicted to a drug that is killing them, you will tell them to get off of it – if you love them. If you hate them, you will let them go on their way to destruction.

      What you are saying John, is that I should hate my brothers and sisters… to let them go to destruction.

      I’m sorry John, but I love my brothers and sisters too much to do that.

      Please repent of this sin, John. There isn’t much time.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • Hello John Stewart,

      John Stewart, I could not help but to make a comment after reading your response because your comment addresses the issues at hand, which are Christians that are “asleep”. Yes, Joel Osteen has become the poster child for preaching “ear tickling” sermons…shame on him. I could bet you that during the 7 year tribulation when he should be preaching on Repentance and that GOD’S judgement is near, Osteen will, unfortunately, just stick to what he does best. Mr. Stewart, please do not confuse, those that are lovers of the TRUTH…i.e. those that want to be obedient to LORD JESUS, as those that are “sowing discord amongst the body of Christ”. Mr. Stewart, I am discerning, based on your comment that you are a fence straddling Christian; therefore, your viewpoint on truthful matters concerning the things of GOD are going to be proundly wrong. John Little, thank you for your commentary.

  2. I’ve been following your site since last year,Love It you truly are a Watchmen on the wall,i have been preparing for awhile now,and at first i thought i was hearing God about this but listening to other men,women of same mindset.I know i am on tract.our Lord told Noah to prepare,He gave Joseph dreams to prepare.And i know if He did it then He’s doing it NOW through His saints to sound the alarm.My prayer is that more of our brothers,sisters will stop with this Mess’God will take care of me,that’s all i need to know attitude” they make me angry,there are times i just do not want to say anything to them at all,especially family members,my sibling told me to put aluminum on my head and sit in the well as always my brother in Christ you are spot on with what you speak about China,I miss America for what she use to be,but I also know who holds all of this in His hands.God Bless you/i have an important question is it wise to tell others that you a storing food,water? and yes i took monies out of theFinancial system a long time ago,of course i try to tell others but to no avail.and this is my Christian brothers,sisters.God will continue To be with all of us,i believe that with all of my heart.God Bless you

    • Hi Carrie,

      God bless you sister. It is such a relief to hear someone who has it right. Keep up the good work.

      As for your question, please use discretion. Remember that your greatest threat will not be death by thirst or starvation, but death-by-neighbor. Unless you can trust your neighbors not to kill you, you need to have a plan to get away from them when it hits the fan.

      Thank you, Carrie. It’s wonderful to have you as a reader!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  3. FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY. Someone out there actually UNDERSTANDS what the tribulation period is all about: THE WRATH OF SATAN!!!

    In my Bible study classes, I tell those attending that Revelation is just as much about Satan’s wrath as it is the LORD GOD’S fierce anger (I do NOT use the term wrath).

    Then I duck.

    Then we study the definition of Yehovah’s wrath: consignment to the lake of fire that burns forever and ever. Separation from Yehovah. No hope. Ceaseless pain and suffering. Joined eternally to those who perpetrated the lies others chose to believe.

    Then we discuss the true sin of the first couple: believing the LIE OF SATAN, rather than the TRUTH OF GOD.

    Then, we can actually study.

    John, keep going. Keep being bold and courageous.

    As a baby believer in the LORD, His first assignment to me was to read His Word in its entirety. I was so FURIOUS as I read. I learned that not only had I been lied to, but I was intentionally deceived, and was therefore misled. I disavowed all relationship with organized denominational religion at that point. Fortunately, the LORD GOD held onto me in my fury, and I did not leave Him. PRAISE BE TO HIS HOLY NAME!!

    You know clearly how the fury of the church will express itself when it finally dawns on its collective self that it did NOT escape the times of trial and testing.

    Hangeth thou in there.

  4. Give it a break. Your point of view is a lie. I study the word of GOD, not what man says. Jesus told us just to believe HIM. If you understand the bible it very simple. I only need to believe the WORD OF GOD.

  5. There is no tribulation coming – it has been here and has been here since the time of Christ. The Christian era is synonymous with the tribulation period. We are John’s brothers in the tribulation.

    The horrors described in this article about persecution can be read the same in Martyr’s Mirror where detail accounts of thousands of Christian’s who have been dying for Christ since Stephen lead the way. Believe it or not, many of these accounts surpass the cruelty of what we see today.

    Beheading of Christians has been happening since John the Baptist, crucifixions and tortures all have been happening to Christians for nearly 2,000 years. If the there were actually a 7 year period at the end – why did Jesus, Paul, Peter or John ever mention it?

    As for the Mark of the Beast – folks it is not literal! When studying prophecy interpretation must remain consistent and throughout the Bible there are examples of people receiving marks – all you have to do is stay in the book of Revelation to see this in the 144000. These people are all marked! What do think, God sent a branding iron and sealed their forehead? NO – this is a spiritual mark.

    The mark of the beast is a spiritual marking on those who reject Christ.

    Food for thought – you decide.

    A good read on this is: “Islam In The End Times” by Ellis H Skolfield.

    • Hi D,

      Your idea that we are already in the Tribulation is an interesting thought worth thinking about, but…

      Revelation is pretty clear that this Mark of the Beast is physical. You really can’t see any other interpretation from the language of chapter 13 of Revelation.

      Please don’t spread this around, because this doctrine will cause people to think that it’s okay to take the mark of the beast. You do NOT want that on your hands.

      Thank you, D.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  6. I’ve find your passion for this matter compelling. Wanted to ask if you were familiar with the Historic Premillennialism? It is attributed to George Eldon Ladd for contemporary study but he traced it back to the early church fathers of the first three centuries of the Church, prior to the 4th century rise of Christianity becoming the official religion of Rome.

    Your expressions reminded me of GEL’s teachings & they parallel some of his teachings on the Great Tribulation & the Return of Christ. Here is a link with a succinct summary of the Historic Premillennialist views if interested.

  7. The Biblical Truth about the Mark of the Beast

    These seals are on the foreheads of every believing Jew of the Christian Era, but you don’t see them, do you? Of course not, they are only visible in the spiritual world. They are not physical marks, but spiritual marks, and that’s the key to understanding the Mark of the Beast. Since the Lord’s marks on His servants are only visible in the spiritual world, it is reasonable to conclude that Satan’s marks, given to the servants the Leopard-Bear-Lion are only visible in the spiritual world. This is not “spiritualizing” as some would claim, but accepting that figurative language demands a figurative interpretation. Scripture goes on to say . . .

    Many books have been written about that number, all speculative, but about 20 years ago a former Muslim who could read Arabic told me that 666 was the number of the Koran. I believed him, sort of, and promptly forgot about it. Then (a few years ago), another friend told me there were many Islamic sites on the Internet claiming 666 to be the number of the Koran. (You can find these sites yourself by searching: Quran 666.) Suddenly, the last piece of the Leopard-Bear-Lion puzzle fell into place! Now look at the above verse again:

    The number of a man! So what man has led a billion and a half people away from the Savior of the world? What man said, “God forbid that He should have a son.” Is this not Muhammad, the prophet of the Leopard-Bear-Lion? According to the Bible, the end for him and his followers will be grim indeed:

    May our beloved God, who sacrificed His Son for all mankind, take the blindness from their eyes…this can only happen when one understands that ‘wisdom’ is achieved through a humbled spirit. Out of this humility can someone say and acknowledge they may be wrong and thus allow their eyes to open.

    • Hi Dave,

      Sorry about shortening your comment, but it was way too long.

      Unfortunately, Revelation 13 is very clear that this mark is physical. There really is no other way to see it.

      As for Islam… it’s an interesting view. We’ll see how the future develops.

      Thank you, Dave. I too pray for clear vision.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  8. And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. (Rom 5:3-5)

    For those of us who have already left mainstream Christianity due to many such erroneous teachings, this article is a breath of fresh air! The problem is too many believers are being spoon-fed their Scripture instead of seeking it out for themselves.

    It’s time to stop “playing Church” and begin developing a relationship with our Creator! Pick up your Bible and start at Genesis 1:1 and don’t stop reading until you get to Revelation 22:21 – it’s the only way to get the full picture of God’s plan for His people!!

  9. WOW, I am rejoicing that you are saying this glorious truth to the multitudes here, we need to read what the Bible says (proof text) and drop all the commentaries in the waste / trash cans (along with the study bibles, notes) and be more & more dependent on the Holy Spirit simply says / reveals in His Word !! Well done, John, well done!

  10. Main Lie of the pretrib: separation between the rapture and the second coming.

    If there were such a separation, the Jesus would be a liar in the nature in which He declared how He would come, “Like a thief…” Rev. 16:15, 2 Peter 3:10. Both of these references are considered second coming by the pretrib doctrine. If a rapture were to happen prior to the second coming it would declare the timing of the second. The “goodman” of the house would know at what hour to keep watch…Matt. 24:41,42. It that were the case, Jesus could not declare,”Like a thief…” but rather something more on the lines of… “like a politician in the daytime…” Jesus is not the liar. The pretrib doctrine is the lie.

    • Hi boldncourageous,

      Good point.

      It’s interesting that when you reveal the inconsistencies in their theory, the pretribbers immediately start offering up all kinds of stuff like multiple returns of Jesus, multiple raptures and multiple resurrections.

      All of which are NOWHERE in the Bible.

      Why don’t they just give up and believe the Bible as it says?

      Thank you, BnC. Keep up the good work.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  11. Foundation Lie of the pretrib: The time of “Jacob’s trouble” is the great tribulation.

    “Jacob’s trouble” found listed once in Scripture, Jer. 30:7 is in a two chapter prophesy that doesn’t talk about the “great tribulation” rather the time that Israel was scattered (Jer. 30:10,11) to the ends of the earth (Jer. 31:8) where she is then gathered. It is the worst time ever for Israel. In 70 AD the scattering began by the Roman Titus who is responsible for burning down the temple in Jerusalem. By 162 AD Jerusalem was considered eradicated of all Jews. They were scattered to the ends of the Earth. When Jesus returns… Zech. 12:1-3 Jerusalem will be OCCUPIED by Jews, some will be in captivity, but not SCATTERED. In 1948 Israel again became a nation and the gathering from the ends of the Earth began.

    The disciples asked Jesus concerning this time that the temple was destroyed… Matt. 24:2,3a Jesus responded to their question in verses 15-21, telling them of the worst time coming for Israel. Israel’s future is brighter than her pass.

  12. Your theory that the wrath is of satan and not of the Lord is easily disputed when observing citations such as revelation 6:16-17

    “16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

    Or Zephaniah 1:14-18

    “14 The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

    15 That day is a day of wrath”…

    “18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord’s wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy”

    Romans 5:9

    “9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

    I could go on, but the point being made is self-explanatory. The denial of the pre-tribulation rapture is one made out of survivalist emotional rhetoric replete with lackadaisical eschatological exegesis.

    • Hi johnny tremain,

      Um… sorry, but you didn’t provide any evidence to argue with.

      This event precedes Revelation 6:16-17…

      And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. – Revelation 6:13-14

      Are you saying that this is the Tribulation?

      If you are trying to say that Revelation MUST be strictly chronological, it will be impossible for you to understand the Book of Revelation.

      Again, a big key is Revelation 12.

      Furthermore, you cannot (and have not) provided proof that contradicts the passages that I have offered that PROVE that the pre-tribulation rapture theory is a lie.

      Sorry Johnny, but belief in a lie – that you know is a lie – is a sin. You must repent.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  13. Supporting lie of the Pretrib: the abomination of desolation is the anti-christ.

    When Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel the prophet the Scripture states, “Let the reader understand.” Today history is vast, and ancient history must be studied to not be obscure. However, at the time of Christ the Jews were well aware of the conqueror that took Jerusalem in 167 B.C. and sacrificed a pig on the alter. This was the original abomination of desolation. The abomination was a gentile entering the enter courts where only a Jew was allowed, and the desolation was Him building an alter to Zeus over the alter of God and offering a pig on the alter. When Titus took Jerusalem he too stormed the temple. The gentiles again did the abominable act of entering the forbidden courts exclusive to the Jews. The desolation was obvious, as the temple was caught ablaze. The golden articles were melted and disappeared through the stones of the temple. As a result not one stone was left upon another by the gold seekers who retrieved it. The abomination of desolation is an isolated event in 70 AD and is not found in the book of Revelation that John penned sixteen years later.

  14. Supporting lie of the pretrib: 70th week is the great tribulation

    Titus made a covenant with the Roman Empire to squelch the Jewish uprising. His conquest started in 66 AD and ended successful 3.5 years later with the decimation of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple. The daily sacrifices ended and have not been reestablished for almost 2000 years.

    Daniel 9:27
    And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

    The 70th week of Daniel has been fulfilled perfectly for nearly 2000 years. Jesus became the sacrifice once and for all time. If you cannot see that the 70th week comes after the 69th week and that the daily sacrifices were ended at that time, you need to question your gullibility and how easily brainwashed you might be.

  15. whats there problem?!! for what reason would GOD allow HIS bride to go through the worst judgments in history for? as punishment? well then throw out 1 cor 3 then. GOD has not appointed us to wrath. seems like you WANT to go through the satanic ruling worst times, be my guest. just for thought, during those 7 yrs of trib, we will be at the judgment seat of CHRIST, getting rewards, and getting them taken away. there are 2 places in rev, stating that NONE repent! so, for what purpose is BRIDE there? NONE!!

    • Hi Pat,

      It seems like you believe that we are not supposed to go through persecution. Here’s a verse that says otherwise:

      Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. – 2 Timothy 3:12

      The fact that this persecution is extreme, shouldn’t change that.

      Furthermore, I have proven that there CAN be an escape (Rev 12), and that the rapture MUST come after the tribulation.

      Where is your proof, otherwise?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Pat,
        In addition to John’s response I would like to add that persecution PURIFIES the bride – it will separate the true disciple of Christ from those who only profess Him in word.


  16. I grew up in churches that were strongly pre-trib, but my parents also instilled in my siblings and me a strong skepticism of that viewpoint. I totally agree about the dangers of pre-trib rapture teaching, but this also makes me think that receiving the mark will not be like going to the bank to get a new credit card. It seems to me that it will have to be accompanied with a declaration of allegiance. Just like early Christians could not say “Caesar is Lord” and worship Caesar as god – even under pain of death, this mark will be something that is clearly an abandoning of our allegiance to Christ and an acceptance of allegiance to someone else. It will go beyond accepting unique physical identifications (We’ve already done that with SSNs and I don’t really see much difference between a card with a unique identifier which must be used for access to the financial system and a chip under your skin that performs the same function, but must be used in every transaction).

  17. Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
    John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
    Believing in pre-mid or post tribulation DOES NOT save you.
    Please think for your self.
    I am Pre Trib myself but do not judge others
    Or force my beliefs on them.
    Watch and research for yourself.
    Chuck Missler is a very sound and Biblical Bible teacher/lecturer
    With impeccable credentials, I am forever grateful The Lord lead
    me to one of his videos, I have watched all he has taught, as well
    As many other teacher/lecturers as well as reading sites as
    I do this one. John has many interesting articles.

    Also interesting article on problems between pre-mid and post Trib

    Please don’t delete this John.
    Love for all,
    P.S. Less than 200 of the allotted 300 words.


    • Hi Larene,

      I agree completely with your position that what you believe about the Rapture doesn’t save you. And, I would NOT say anything about the Rapture if our brothers and sisters in Christ were awake and preparing for what is coming.

      Unfortunately, they’ve used a pre-trib lie as an excuse to go back to sleep – and to ignore what I am begging them to see. We are running out of time, and I do not want the blood of countless millions on my hands. So, I must warn.

      When God spoke to Ezekiel about giving warning, He said that those who see trouble coming and do not give warning… for each one who dies…

      …his blood will I require at thine hand. – Ezekiel 3:18

      I MUST reveal this pre-trib lie for what it is. It is a lie from Satan, sent to destroy our precious brothers and sisters. You MUST cast off this lie. You must.

      Also, since I answer to God for what appears on this site, I cannot allow links that promote something that I believe to be against the Bible.

      Thank you, Larene. Thank you also for being within 300 words. It makes everything go so much better.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Dear John,

        In answer to your reponse to me above:


        (Stocking up on provisions is always a good idea in case of ANY emergency)

        You seem to concentrate on prepare but not so much on JESUS CHRIST.



        Unless GOD HAS TOLD YOU, I have a feeling you have no idea who is asleep or “going back to sleep” as you seem to be so fond of saying.

        AS I SAID:
        Pre-Mid or Post Trib has NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION.



        As you yourself above stated:
        I cannot allow links that promote something that I believe to be against the Bible.


        As stated per the verse you mentioned from Ezekiel 3:18 concerning WATCHMEN:
        GOD said that those who see trouble coming and do not give warning… for each one who dieS…his blood will I require at thine hand.

        We do need to warn others of the fact we are living in the last days, to REPENT AND ACCEPT CHRIST.

        CONTINUED ON 2

        • 2

          But you seem to believe that unless people only agree with you, they are wrong and only believing everything you say will save them.


          However, the more I read of your articles the more my LORD lays two specific words on my heart.

          PRIDE and ARROGANCE





          • Hi Larene,

            So, if I believe something is damaging to the spiritual lives of brothers and sisters – even heresy – you think that I should still publish it?

            I will stand before the Lord one day and answer for what I did and did not do. I consider that to be something that we should ALL be aware of.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • Dear John,

            Went to your link…

            As copy/pasted:

            “I started talking about this a week ago, Thursday. And, I began with the three things that you must have before you even start:

            Personal Responsibility

            Long term thinking

            Jesus, Our Lord and Savior – the most important of all.

            Without those three… you literally have no hope. Then, I launched into your first step”

            Perhaps Jesus should be at the top of all lists?
            We should think of him first?

            You said:
            Hi Larene,
            So, if I believe something is damaging to the spiritual lives of brothers and sisters – even heresy – you think that I should still publish it?

            What your statement clearly shows is that you will only post what YOU AGREE WITH.

            I have sent nothing (links etc.) to you as you well know that would be considered heresy, however you don’t want your readers (followers?) to think for themselves?

            You don’t want others to learn from any other source but you.
            Even the Bible?
            We are instructed to search the scriptures daily to see if what others teach is Biblical or perhaps just their interpretation.

            You don’t trust them to be smart enough?
            You don’t trust GOD has given others besides yourself discernment?

            GOD will lead us all in to perfect truth if we let HIM AND STUDY HIS WORD as HE instructs us to do, rather than hope your interpretation is true. But you have to TRUST GOD TO DO THAT.

            Just a thought.

            GOD HATES PRIDE..

            Blessings and Love to all my Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST,


          • Hi Larene,

            So, you think that I should cast aside any and all discernment and invite everyone to promote their version of truth?

            That’s a fascinating approach, as well as being the path to utter destruction and the wrath of God.

            There is one truth, Larene. Only one.

            I don’t claim to have all of it, but I am responsible for what I have.

            Furthermore, you are being dishonest in your claim that I am not putting Jesus first. You know, that the discussion that followed after began with our Lord and Savior, and made that the chief principle and foundation of preparation.

            Deliberately twisting the words of another is a sin, Larene.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  18. Well, they might also take revelation 16:9 and say you can still repent. Of course, this verse might also be part of their deception?

    • Hi Chris,

      Um… well, I guess that they could try to use that verse – but, it would be an attempt at even more Bible twisting.

      As I said in an earlier article, God CAN forgive anyone of anything. But, God is putting us on notice that He will NOT forgive the taking of the Mark of the Beast. Period.

      What John MacArthur said was straight up heresy.

      Thank you, Chris. Good point.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  19. I would have more faith in you stating pretrib is wrong, if I understand you have the qualifications to be so sure about this. I didn’t see any realistic truth, can you make this clearer? I have always had more faith in Pastors who have spent years learning the original languages so they can give a clear dissertation of the Bible. Do you have these qualifications? I can say I believe you are wrong and I also have a degree but if I don’t have the right biblical training, I could be giving false information to believers which we never want to do. Really I certainly believe I am going to go through much suffering ahead and no pretrib person I know ever believes we are going to get out of this mess, the easy way,

    • Hi Delores Paton,

      I could give you qualification upon qualification, but I won’t.

      If you need to believe in ME, all hope is lost for you.

      You must search these things for yourself. I am nothing. God and His words are everything.

      Thank you, Delores.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Delores,
        God used two unqualified, untrained, unducated men like John and Peter, filled them with the Holy Spirit and used them to turn the world upside down. The wise and learned men marveled, “…and they realized that they had been with Jesus” (Acts 4:13)
        If being with Jesus is the only qualification we have, God can use us to confound the wise.


  20. Greetings.Thanks for your work its hard to have to deal with these things at times. I read a book The Rapture and its Seven Different Orders by Morgan Sorensen that had a different approach though I have to say I havent had the time to go back and really analyze it. Good book none the less. Also read in the New American Bible Math 6:13 and Rev 3:10. God Bless.

  21. sure we Christians will have trials and tribulations and be mocked and ridiculed but we will be spared from the wrath of God that will be poured out onto the world.The Rapture is true all one needs to do is research our jewish roots and find that Jesus was speaking about his return using the Ancient Jewish Wedding tradition,it matches exactly to what Jesus said.The bride will be removed before the tribulation

    • Hi dan,

      As I was reading your comment, and you were right all the way through until the last word. You were SOOOO CLOSE.

      Yes, we will be spared the wrath of God.

      But, why would He spare us persecution?

      I mean, that’s what you are saying. You are saying that God would never let us suffer at the hands of Satan. Yet, we have been suffering at the hands of Satan for six thousand years.

      Why do you believe that we would not suffer persecution?

      I am mystified by this. Really, I’m serious. I don’t understand why so many believe this.

      Dan, I’ve given you proof that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory is a Lie. But, you’ve chosen to believe it.

      What do you think God is going to say about this when you see Him?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  22. Re: the new Left Behind Movie to hit theaters, Scholar William Lane Craig issued a statement saying:

    “No, Christians Should Not Believe in ‘Left Behind’s’ Rapture Theology” – William Lane Craig
    see write up at

    Didn’t know he was not a pre-tribber. maybe the word is getting around that this is not a good horse to back!

  23. Multiple researchers have refuted the claim that Darby invented the pre-trib rapture, citing 3 ancient church leaders: Irenaeus, Ciprian, and Ephraim (circa 100-300 A.D), whose writings support the doctrine you reject. I am repulsed by the prosperity doctrine which isn’t Biblical (persecution is reality for some Christians, but so is God’s protection and blessings- Book of Hebrews for one source). Therefore, I can understand those in Asia and Africa who reject missionaries from the decadent, apostate American Church. But that doesn’t negate the rapture doctrine. Bastardization of the doctrine doesn’t negate it either. That’s Logic 101. I have studied eschatology for 35+ years and am open minded to new information. I have spent considerable time reading the writings of those who believe in no/post tribulation. Post-tribbers seem not to be able to illuminate scripture without insulting those of the opposite view. I am neither Biblically uneducated, nor lacking in my devotion to Christ. I’m assuming your goal is to be thought-provoking on a subject that has been shrouded in mystery since Daniel’s dream. If so, you may consider omitting arguments that are illogical and needlessly antagonistic.

  24. This begs several questions. If this pre-trib rapture lie is so desperately dangerous, why do you go to a church that teaches it? Are you trying to open their eyes? What does the pastor say when you show him all this? Would it make more sense to start your own church or fellowship to support, encourage and teach those who are beginning to see through this? Yes, you are doing that in the online world with this blog; but in person, does it not give you the creeps to walk into a “church” that is saturated in false doctrine/ deception, knowing who is the father of all that???? I can tell you I have walked into very popular, thriving churches only to feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck and observing the goings on with this uneasy but undeniable feeling that something is terribly, terribly wrong. I frequently pray to be protected from deception; and the feelings I get in these places are warnings. I sense in my spirit that it would be a sin on my part to disobey these warnings and go to that church a second time. I sense something else that is hard to put into words – but I’ll try. It’s like the Lord put the knowledge in my head even though it’s beyond my ability to understand – like teaching a dog not to chew electric cords, even though he is not capable of understanding why he shouldn’t. Evil is contagious, by a means I cannot describe. Yes, the Holy Spirit can protect us from it and has done so for me many times – but in situations where I either had no idea I was in danger or had not been specifically told to avoid something and then disobeyed. We are not to tempt the Lord. But back to the contagiousness of evil …… it reminds me of the way prions work. They are terribly dangerous, but are not microbes of any kind. They are misshapen molecules of protein, that corrupt normal proteins around them by deranging their molecular structure just by being near them. Which reminds me of the way magnetism works. If you put a magnet close to a magnetizable piece of metal, after a time the 2nd piece of metal will show magnetic qualities of its own – because the aligned molecules in the magnet will slowly rearrange the molecules in the non-magnetized piece until they also are aligned – and magnetic. Somehow, in some way, if you spend time around evil, it taints you somehow. I don’t know how. But it does.

    If the American Feel-Good Prosperity Gospel is so ridiculous when juxtaposed with what Asian Christians have experienced for decades, how can such churches thrive in Asia?

    • Hi DRG,

      I hear your point. And yes, I HAVE felt the same thing and did NOT return to such a church.

      However, there comes a time when your job is to serve, instead of be served. The church that my wife and I go to now is a church that seeks to serve the Lord, and has a mix of members. Some are pretribbers. Some are not.

      It is an English-speaking church, and it’s pastor is someone who is truly open to learning the truth. While he calls himself a dispensationalist, it doesn’t appear that he is one who pounds the pulpit with it. Nor is he someone who preaches that we will never suffer persecution.

      When persecution comes to Taiwan, (and it will) I believe that he will do his best to prepare Christians for what comes – and not abandon them as we did, when the communists took over China.

      I cannot say the same for other pastors here, and that bothers me.

      Having said that, most Chinese Christians have rejected the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie. They know all too well how much of a fraud it is. Unfortunately, my wife says that she’s been getting reports that the pretrib lie is creeping back in.

      How soon we forget.


      Ultimately, my focus is the salvation of souls. A proper view of the rapture will always be secondary.

      I hope that I clarified my point on this. If not, please ask again.

      Thank you, DRG. Excellent comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  25. John,
    I don’t blog much or easily, but want to share that the Bible is Jewish from cover to cover. I agree totally with this subject (rapture), but you seem to make a difference with Jews and Christians during the Tribulation.
    I submit that there are even now Jewish believers in Messiah. Prayerfully even more in future……… before all Israel is saved at the time of the end. According to Galatians 3:29 if we believe in Messiah we are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise. Grafted into the olive tree root of Jesse which is Messiah, called Yeshua by His Hebrew name.
    When you make a distinction between Jews and Christians I believe the Bible does not support this. If we are believers in Messiah we are all one, Jew and Gentile together.
    Remember it was ‘Christians’ who have failed to bring the Gospel to the Jewish people and indeed drove them out of the “Church” during the years following the apostles deaths, eventually changing everything set forth in the Bible, including the Sabbath, Passover and feast days, God’s appointed times (Moadim). Incidentally the word church does not appear in the Bible.
    So in the end times the elect refers to all believers in Messiah, one group who hopefully will be protected from the antichrist whether the physically reside in Israel or elsewhere. Would be interested in your take on this, since this is what I have had revealed from just reading the Bible through twice over the years.
    Even in the Old Covenant provision was make for the ‘alien living among you’ and some Gentiles were even included in the lineage of Yeshua.
    So I reject the concept of the Christian ‘church’ as a valid approach to the end times. It got the rapture wrong, how much else we have not focused on?

    • Hi Sandy,

      I completely agree that the Bible is thoroughly Jewish, in the classical sense. And, that we are all Abraham’s seed, according to the promise.

      I was NOT making a distinction between those who are Jewish as opposed to those who are Gentile. I was only making the point that Revelation 12 appears to refer to a Christian Israel fleeing and being protected from Satan, during the tribulation. That’s all.

      However, please be careful about adhering yourself to Torah. If you must fulfill one of the Laws, you must fulfill all of them. Please read Galatians, to see what I mean.

      Furthermore, I have a deep and abiding love for Israel and the Jewish people. My great hope is for them to be saved, and look forward to it soon.

      Thank you, Sandy. I hope that I clarified my position for you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  26. Great article. What would you say to the pretrib people who dogmatically believe the Jewish Wedding is a picture of the pretrib rapture?

    • Hi Pam,

      I’m not sure. There’s nothing in the picture of a ‘Jewish Wedding’ that indicates a pre-tribulation rapture.

      When offered this as an explanation, I merely ask them to explain how this is a pretrib message.

      It isn’t. So, they can’t.

      Thanks, Pam.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  27. The truth must stand bright against the lie’s. We must spread the truth as Christians, the deception is out there. Just as Paul and other apostles and disciples and saints stood to the end for TRUTH who is CHRIST. I have desperately tried to awaken people. There are those who are asleep. I pray that the Lord helps me to awaken them. I can’t seem to do it in my strength but I do not give up.

    JESUS HAS PREVAILED against darkness. We are in Christ therefore let us not be afraid of the darkness and the lies. Stand out. Help you fellow mankind. Expose the darkness that is shall flee.


    I must explain. I normally don’t tell people my experiences with the Lord only those I feel that want or need to hear and sometimes it just flows out of me. I must share one of many experiences I have had with the Lord. This was when I was pray and reading the bible for many hours daily, mainly reading Gods word and listening to it on the internet. I remember one night I was reading in the Bible and a though had pierced my mind, it came together so quickly and purely that it troubled my beyond. Before I let you know I have to say this. GOD KNOWS YOU BETTER THAN YOURSELF. Understand that so what I fixing to say wont sound so crazy. As I was reading a thought and fear came to me. I remembered when Peter walked with the Lord, he was one of the only ones when asked by the Lord Jesus, So who do you say that I am and he said You the Christ Son of the Living God and the Lord Declared Upon this Rock I shall build my Church. Know now this, Peter helped build the Church, walked with Lord and pray with the Lord. How is it that he denied him when the rooster crowed. He denied him because he was facing persecution. Yes that though clearly entered my mind. That same persecution we will face. I then sat up quickly and asked the Lord, Jesus I do not want to deny you, but you know my heart better than anyone, how is it that I won’t deny you when Peter who helped build your church and walked with you and prayed with you. I am no Peter. How am I not to deny you? HERE IS WHAT I HEARD, there was a voice that came within me so stern but yet gentle and it spoke ” I WILL STRENGTHEN YOU”. That had to be the Lord. I almost kind of freaked when I heard it because I knew it didn’t come from me. So please do not fear the persecution, get out of sin and get into GOD. He is our protector.

    • GAgirl,
      I firmly believe this is “the root of the tree” that the ax is being laid to. I have dubbed this pre-trib lie as “the doctrine of self-preservation”. I also believe the Lord hates this doctrine, because He wants His people to love Him for HIMSELF and not for what He can do for them. Our Lord said you must “deny yourself and take up your cross DAILY…” (Luke 9:23)
      This truth is not preached because it won’t bring in the crowds, but self-denial is the foundation for the true disciple of Christ. It can only be done through the power of the Holy Spirit.
      If we cannot deny ourselves in relative comfort and ease, it won’t be done when persecution comes. Many will deny our Lord for a meal or a bed.

  29. Look up the wrath of God and do a word search
    The wrath or anger of Satan is quite different
    what is your biblical basis for saying Satan will leave Israel Christians alone
    Do a study on the Israel of God it is all believers

    • Hi John,

      What is my Biblical basis?

      Just read Revelation 12. That’s pretty clear.

      In that chapter, Satan chases Israeli Christians into the wilderness. When he can’t get to them, he turns to go after the rest of the Christians in the world.

      You can’t make the ‘Israel of God’ distinction here, in this chapter. Otherwise, Satan wouldn’t have any Christians to go after.

      I hope that I clarified things for you, John.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  30. Clearly, my style of addressing you was too subtle. By thought-provoking, I meant you would lead a person to examine the evidence you provide and rethink their different position. I’ve been reading your blog for a while now and have yet to read a poster say “oh, I get it now.” Mostly you get an echo chamber and a few brave souls who let you know you haven’t changed their belief in the pre-trib rapture. I would have to conclude you aren’t accomplishing your stated goal.
    I find it curious that you list Now the End Begins as a link…. Grider believes in the pre-trib rapture and does a good job of supporting the position with scripture.
    BTW, no one would accuse me of not being awake. Persecution of the saints has been occurring to varying degrees since the first generation Christians and is now eclipsing previous records. Corrie ten Boon’s contemporaries thought they were in the tribulation, but clearly they weren’t in the Great Tribulation as described in the Bible as a time as never before. Her words are not evidence refuting the pre-trib rapture. Again, logical reasoning absent. I’ve given you 2 instances of illogical/erroneous argument in your current post. I will continue to read your writings, which have served only to confirm my current belief so far.

  31. You are off to a great start but part of a Marathon will not finish the race. Endure to the end..the last day Jesus said. In Rev 16:15 Jesus is at the finish line cheering the church remnant on.. it’s the 6th vial of God’s wrath and we who are alive and remain/survive are still here. We are watching . Christ is about to come as a thief.. we are keeping our garments. That day..the day of the Lord …the day of Christ and His Wrath is about to start and we are still here. We have to be because the resurrection has not happened yet. Resurrection then rapture…when is the resurrection?? 77 verses to study. 5 times in John 6 Jesus said the last day. Rev 16:15 is at the birthing of the last day.

    • Hi Tenderock777,

      I truly wish that I could hold to that interpretation of the Bible. I have no idea where it comes from, or what denomination preaches it. I can only say that it does not bear up to scripture.

      You will need to provide us with scriptural proof.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • JL,
        I didn’t get your reply to Tenderock777.
        As I understand his/her comment, they were only agreeing with you that the Pre-Trib rapture is a non-starter – because Jesus did make it clear that he would not be seen of his people again until ‘The LAST DAY” —- meaning, obviously, his return!!!


          • John,

            By the date on this reply from you to the poster above, it is clear you saw my reply to you on the 12th and chose not to let others see….

            HE continues to press PRIDE AND ARROGANCE (concerning you) on my heart, irregardless of wether I agree with you or not.

            IT SEEMS YOUR PRIDE AND ARROGANCE IS WHAT HE IS CONCERNED WITH, as far as what HE is impressing on my heart.


            We will all be before HIS JUDGEMENT SEAT…
            We will all have to answer to HIM…

            But this isn’t about me it isn’t about you.


            IT IS ABOUT HIS GLORY!

            Not about impressing others with your awesome writing skills.

            We are to GLORIFY HIM…NOT OURSELVES.

            But you have to look to HIM to do that….NOT SELF…

            In Love,


          • Hi Larene,

            Please remember that I am sitting on the other side of the world – literally 12 hours opposite of Eastern Standard Time. Also, writing, researching, responding to comments as well as site maintenance take up an enormous amount of time. In fact, it is routinely almost more than I can take. So, there is often a delay in responding to comments.

            I also take comments on a first-come-first-served basis. So, depending on the ‘load’, it can take some time to get to a comment. That’s one of the reasons why the ‘comment’ box says:

            Please allow at least 24 hours for comments to appear.

            I appreciate your admonition, and I agree that THE most important thing is the salvation of the Lost. However, God has impressed upon me that I must minister to those Christians that are asleep so that THEY can go and serve Him in seeking the lost.

            However, my wife and I are also directly involved in evangelism here in Taiwan, so you need not fear that I have neglected this need.

            Thank you for your concern, Larene. Keep seeking to serve the Lord.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  32. JL, I checked out the information on the links you provided referencing Dave McPherson. I find his information to be riddled with stream of consciousness form and laced with logical fallacies similar to those you employ. His major point is the Darby misinformation, soundly refuted by historical facts, which you can read (I have read the 3 church leaders- not just commentary on them).
    As an MBA you are aware that 80+% of the masses are driven by emotion and your presentation reflects that. Hence the logical fallacies may work on most of your readers. Logic is an attribute of God and, while we cannot understand Him completely, He gives us the ability to reason (“come, let us reason together,” Isaiah 1:18, just to cite scripture), though few people ever hone their reasoning skills. I teach Intro Logic and Intermediate Logic in a Christian environment, so I am well able to evaluate an argument on logical principles. Wading through the emotional appeals, ad hominem attacks, non sequiturs etc. is exhausting in my quest to understand the truth you profess to spread.
    You say you welcome readers who point out errors in your commentary, so I have taken the challenge on 2 points as illustration of the kind frequently found in your writings. We may need to agree to disagree rather than debate the rapture question further, as I don’t agree with how you parse and assemble several of the scriptures you cite.

    • Hi lifelong learner,

      My job is to communicate. While you may perceive my arguments as emotional, you have yet to refute them.

      Also, what you refer to as logic and reason, God calls something else:

      For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. – Romans 8:6-8

      Your logic is at war with what the Bible says. I have shown you that the pre-tribulation rapture lie is impossible, according to the Bible.

      You have chosen to ignore that.

      Choosing a lie, over the truth, is a sin, LL.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  33. John first of all fantastic that you expose John macarthur for the fraud he is
    And yes the gathering together unto Christ before the appointed time is a lie that many fraidy cat so called Christians adhere to. But John Rev 12 points out the fact that it is those That follow Christ that the dragon is wroth with or angry at.
    John very few in Israel today follow Christ, furthermore it is the true children of God that are the Israel of God, and the Israel of today is man made and the second gathering has yet to occur.
    I hope you are not yet another judea Christian phony as these two faiths haveNOTHING in common. Remember Christ is the only way dude.

    • Hi John,

      As I have said in other places, Judaism is just another form of paganism. So no, I do not believe that the Jews are going to heaven without accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior.

      What I AM saying is that Ezekiel 36 and 37 is happening now. Zechariah 12 and 13 will happen soon.

      All of that will happen before the Antichrist.

      Israeli Christians will be protected from the Antichrist for the three and a half years of the Great Persecution.

      How else would the Dragon need to go after the OTHERS (v.17)?

      John, don’t go down the same route as others and resist God’s work in the Middle East.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John Little; you said “What I AM saying is that Ezekiel 36 and 37 is happening now.”
        and then you mentioned “that will happen before the Antichrist”

        Exe 36:24-26 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

        No this is not the 1948 false gathering. A new heart and a new spirit, think about it.

        Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
        A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

        John, Please note; this has yet to happen as it is to occur in the future.

        Eze 37 :10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. H2428
        First of all remember that it is appointed once for us to die and then the judgment, and the judgment does not happen until Christ returns.

        1 Thes 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

        Those that Christ bring are that army, again future tense.

        Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

        Joel 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: H2428 for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

        Zech 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

        • Hi john,

          We are seeing Ezekiel 36 and 37 happening right in front of our eyes. We are even seeing Israeli Jews coming to faith in Christ.

          I am amazed that you would not see this. The fact that it isn’t happening fast enough for you, means nothing.

          Jesus said this about the times of the Gentiles:

          …and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. – Luke 21:24b

          The ‘times of the Gentiles’ ended on June 7th, 1967.

          All that’s left is the ‘purifying’ of Israel.

          John, don’t get caught by false teachers.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

      • John you said that “Israeli Christians will be protected from the Antichrist for the three and a half years of the Great Persecution.”
        Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

        John this is simply a reference to those who follow Christ, the followers in spirit are the remnant who have the testimony of Christ. Remember this verse:
        Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

  34. [Hi, John. Great blog. Found the following on the web. Enjoy.]

    The Pretrib Rapture Jackpot!

    by Bruce Rockwell

    Attention, writers. You can make a fortune by promoting the pretrib rapture!
    First, some background. As you know, pretrib began in Scotland in 1830. The earliest developers, including Edward Irving and John Darby, admitted that it was then a totally new view that had never been part of any church’s theology.
    They also admitted that it had suddenly sprung from only OT and NT “types” and “symbols” and not from any clear Bible statement!
    As late as 1957, pretrib expert John Walvoord admitted in “The Rapture Question” (p. 148) that “pretribulationism” is NOT “an explicit teaching of Scripture”!
    Since the early 1900s pretrib has been sold by novelists like Sydney Watson (in 1913) and by Salem Kirban whose “Left Behind”-type novel “666” came out in 1970 – the same year Hal Lindsey’s “The Late Great Planet Earth” started breaking sales records.
    The very first rapture novel titled “Left Behind” came from the joint pens of Peter and Patti Lalonde in mid-1995, resulting in some competitors being left behind.
    The pretrib rapture view, which admittedly is only an “inference” and not “explicit,” rests basically on verses in John 14, I Thess. 4, and I Cor. 15, none of which have either a “taken/left” separation or exciting, nail-biting scenarios that can “sell” pretrib.
    You have to go to Revelation’s action-packed chapters instead. When you do, you discover they can be tied to end time details found basically in the Olivet Discourse.
    As you know, pretribs believe in two stages; Stage 1 is the pretrib rapture which supposedly occurs several years before Stage 2 which is the posttrib second coming to earth.
    Since the three “rapture” chapters listed above don’t have any clear rapture-type separation between the “righteous” and the “wicked,” your best launching pad if you want to be a bestselling author is “the one shall be taken, and the other left” phrase in Matt. 24:40, 41 and Luke 17:34-36.
    Trouble is, Dr. Walvoord and many other pretrib leaders declare that the “one taken” are the “wicked” taken in judgment while the “righteous” are left! But since the average pew-sitters don’t seem to know this, you can easily convince them that the “one taken” is a sort of code for an any-moment pretrib rapture!
    And the pew-sitters don’t know that Walvoord etc. also teach that the same phrase is part of “non-imminent” Stage 2 which is posttrib (and not pretrib) and is on “Jewish” (and not “Church”) ground!
    In order to preserve and emphasize Stage 1 (the pretrib rapture), pretrib merchandisers in recent decades have been stretching forward various aspects found in Stage 2 and quietly applying them to Stage 1. Aspects include “the day of the Lord,” “God’s wrath,” “the taken/left phrase,” “the unknown day and hour,” and Christ’s coming “as a thief” (which is always tied to Armageddon and other posttrib events).
    (For more on the above Google “The Correct Answer to Who’s Taken” etc. on Joe Ortiz’s blog of Apr. 12, 2010. Also Google “Pretrib Rapture Stealth.”)
    Yes, I’ve told you how you can turn yourself into a bestselling, wealthy author.
    But unfortunately you have some competition because Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins have already become opportunists and made millions of dollars that are destined to be left behind!
    For more on them and their partners, Google “The ‘Left Behind’ Rupture,” “LaHaye’s Temperament,” “Jerry Jenkins Apologizes for Being Seen Gambling in Casinos,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Walvoord Melts Ice,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism,” “Evangelicals Use Occult Deception,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Letter from Mrs. Billy Graham,” “Pretrib Rapture Politics” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty.”
    In closing let me say that Jeremiah 17:11 warns that “he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.”
    And you can bet on this!


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