The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I try to always ask God for direction before I write, because I truly want every word that I write to be what He wants you to read. I really do. It scares me that I would lead you astray in ANYTHING. Unfortunately, because I am fallible, you cannot trust my words completely. I really am no better than you are.

(Click HERE, for last week’s series on Bible Twisting.)

(Click HERE for Part Two)

I say all that, because I wanted to write something else today. There are such dire threats facing us, that talking about spiritual lies seems like a waste of time. The problem is that you won’t heed my warnings, if you believe spiritual lies. So, here we go again.

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The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

After talking about spiritual deception and heresy all last week, you would think that I could be done with the lies and get back to the truth. Unfortunately, God isn’t letting me go on this. There is one specific lie that must be dealt with again, before I can move forward:

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I keep calling it a theory, but that’s just because I am trying to be polite. It’s more than a theory. It’s a lie – from Satan, the father of lies. He is using it to put you to sleep, so that you will NOT prepare for what he has planned for you.

Please, if I have to beg, I will. You MUST wake up. There is so little time left.

Starting With The Truth

When judging a lie, you must always start with the truth, and you will find it in the Bible. It’s really quite simple, as the truth often is, and it won’t require lots of verbal gymnastics to say what is… the truth.

Let me summarize the points first:

  • Truth ALWAYS trumps THEORY – ALWAYS
  • The Antichrist must come before the Rapture
  • The Tribulation must come before the Rapture
  • The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture
  • The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture
  • Jesus Must Return before the Rapture
  • The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)
  • There is only one resurrection for those who are God’s people
  • God promised that Christians would suffer
  • There IS a Place of Safety on this Earth

There IS A Safe Place If You Do Not Follow The Lie

That last one should concentrate your mind. All of the arguments that the pre-tribbers make are based upon the fact that God would never allow His people to suffer. Well, you won’t have to suffer if you pay attention and follow the truth, and not lies.

Following a lie will ALWAYS lead to suffering. And THAT is what the pre-tribbers are setting you up for. Do not follow the lies of Satan. Do NOT twist the Bible. You must get this right, or you will die.

Yes, it really is a life and death issue.

After the first series of disasters rolls by, we can argue the finer points of eschatology. Until then, make ready for the worst moment in human history. But, let’s get to proving the above points.

Truth ALWAYS Trumps THEORY – ALWAYS

The Bible cannot lie. If you believe otherwise, please stop here. If you do not believe that the whole of the Bible is truth, there’s no hope for you.

So, if the Bible cannot lie, then each verse is a challenge to our theories.

We all have them. Some are right. Some are wrong. And, as you (hopefully) read your Bible, if you stumble across a verse that declares your theory wrong… well…

…it’s wrong, and you have to get it right.

Seriously, folks. If I tell you something, and the Bible disagrees with me… well, I’m wrong. It’s that simple.

The Bible is ALWAYS right. Always.

The Antichrist Must Come Before The Rapture

Paul reached out to the church in Thessalonica because they were thrown into turmoil over the idea of the Rapture. It appears that someone was telling them that they had missed it. Here is what Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

The Antichrist MUST come before the Rapture. There is no other way that you can interpret this verse. None.

Unfortunately, pre-tribbers seek to twist this verse by saying that ‘falling away’ is The Rapture.

Really? Apostasy is the RAPTURE?

Here’s the Greek word that Paul used for ‘falling away’:

ἀποστασία – apostasia

That is NOT – and cannot be – the word for the Rapture. In another verse, apostasia was translated as forsake in Acts 21:21, when Paul was being accused of teaching apostasy, it was because they thought that he was telling people to forsake the Law of Moses.

Apostasia is NEVER used in ANY place in the Bible in reference to the Rapture. In fact, Paul already had a word that he uses for the rapture. It’s used in this phrase:

by our gathering together unto him

The Greek word used for gathering together is:

ἐπισυναγωγῆς – episynagōgēs

It really does just mean ‘gather together’.

The word that pre-tribbers like to use – rapture – comes from the Latin – rapturo. It’s a good word, and I use it because that’s what people understand. The Greek version of this word is:

ἁρπάζω – harpazó

It means to snatch away, or to take by force. And THAT is exactly what the Lord is going to do. He’s going to snatch us away. In fact, Paul uses much the same word in 1 Thessalonians 4:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:17

The word for shall be caught up is:

ἁρπαγησόμεθα – harpagēsometha

And, the root is – you guessed it – harpazo.

So, when a pretribber comes to you and tries to tell you that The Great Apostasy in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is actually the rapture, tell him that he’s lying. And then, tell him this:

The Antichrist Must Come Before The Rapture

To believe otherwise is to believe a lie. And, there is only one person who is the father of lies.

The Tribulation Must Come Before The Rapture

When Jesus spoke of the Last Days, the coming of the Antichrist and the Tribulation, He made zero mention of a pre-tribulation rapture. None. Zero. Zip.

You would think – if there WAS a pre-trib rapture – that Jesus would have mentioned it here. But, He didn’t. However, He DID say this:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matthew 24:29-31

(See also Mark 13:24-27)

This is Jesus, our Lord and Savior, telling us that the Rapture MUST HAPPEN AFTER THE TRIBULATION!

Please, did you get that?

The Rapture happens AFTER THE TRIBULATION. There is NO OTHER WAY TO INTERPRET THOSE VERSES!

Period. End of Statement.

Is there any part of this that you did not understand?

The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture

This next point, how the Sun and Moon must be darkened before the Rapture, piggy-backs on top of the verse that I talked about, above. But, it’s worth talking about separately. Although, this time, I’ll use Mark 13:

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.Mark 13:24-27

Please, everyone, there is NO WAY that you can see ANY pre-tribulation rapture here. The Sun and Moon must be darkened first, and the stars fall.

Then, and only then, will The Rapture happen.

The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture

You saw me talk about harpazo, above. Well, this snatching away is not going to be some quiet event. In fact, Jesus descends from the sky with a shout. Here’s the specific passage:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

I have a question to ask you:

Does this sound like the pre-trib rapture that the pretribbers talk about?

Not to me.

Jesus Must Return before the Rapture

I have already shown you Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 above.

How does the Lord return?

Well, Jesus said that everyone would see Him return in the clouds with great power and glory. THEN He would send His angels to gather up His people from the Earth. This is His RETURN.

Does Matthew 24 or Mark 13 speak of a SECOND return?

Of course not. There is just one – THE RETURN.

Do we understand all that will happen at the time?

Probably not, but that shouldn’t keep us from accepting what our Lord and Savior told us.

The Rapture really does happen when Jesus returns.

The Resurrection Must Happen Just Before The Rapture

The pretribbers do their best to distort and explain away the evidence of a post-tribulation rapture, but they have an exceptionally tough time of it – when it comes to the resurrection. In fact, every time I raise this point, they begin attacking me personally, instead of answering the passage.

So, this passage is especially thorny for pretribbers:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

THAT is unquestionably a rapture passage. No one can question that, and the pretribbers don’t. But, it is also a resurrection passage.

How can you have a pre-tribulation rapture, if the resurrection must happen just before (or at the same time as) the Rapture?

The answer is that you can’t. You CANNOT have a pre-tribulation rapture, because the resurrection MUST happen at the same time as the rapture. And… there is only one of them for God’s people.

There Is Only One Resurrection For Those Who Are God’s People

The reason why there cannot be a pre-tribulation rapture is that there is only one resurrection for those who are God’s people. Only one.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.Revelation 20:4-6

Those that go through the Tribulation WILL BE IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION!!

Is there any other FIRST RESURRECTION?

Of course not, unless you want to twist the Bible.

Just to rub it in a little, here’s Jesus speaking in Luke:

And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.Luke 14:14

So, if you don’t make it in the First Resurrection, and are not in the Rapture, you will go to Hell.

Again, what happens just before (or at the same time as) the resurrection?

The Rapture.

God Promised That Christians Would Suffer

The reason why we are even having this debate is due to our desire to avoid suffering. We don’t even want to THINK about what the Antichrist will do to us during the Tribulation.

That is completely understandable, but it’s not an excuse to twist the words of God.

In fact, God promised us that we would suffer persecution and tribulation. I am mystified as to why the pretribbers think that we could avoid it. There are just too many verses that talk about this. Here are a couple:

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. – 2 Timothy 3:12

…and:

And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.Acts 14:21-22

I have a question to ask all of my pretribber friends:

With all the persecution that we have experienced over the past two thousand years, and are experiencing now, why do you think that we should be exempt from the persecution of the Antichrist?

Because THAT is what we are talking about. The pretribbers will tell you about how God isn’t going to pour out His wrath upon His people, but they are REALLY just interested in avoiding the Antichrist.

Well, if we haven’t been able to avoid the persecution of the communists/catholics/nazis/pagans, then we aren’t going to avoid the persecution of the Antichrist.

Well… actually …that’s not completely true.

There IS A Place Of Safety On This Earth

When God sent the ten plagues upon Egypt, He didn’t take them out of Egypt. But, He did provide them with a place that was free of these plagues. It was an area of Egypt called The Land of Goshen.

And, we can find the same idea in Revelation. According to the Book of Revelation, there is a place that will offer protection to God’s people, who flee the Antichrist:

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.Revelation 12:13-14

There IS a place of safety that will be prepared for God’s people. And, it will be a place that will keep them safe, until the end of the Tribulation.

Do I understand how that is possible?

No. No one does. But, that shouldn’t keep us from taking it on faith.

The problem is that you will not have the opportunity to be in a place of safety, if you allow yourself to twist the Bible.

Torturing The Bible

There is no verse in the Bible that talks about a pre-tribulation rapture. I’ve seen the evidence of these false teachers, and all that they can offer are verses that they have twisted out of shape.

As someone once said:

The Bible is like a person. If you torture it enough, you can get it to say anything.

God did not intend for you to torture the Bible. He meant for you to accept it. It is His words for you.

If you would not twist the words of those that you truly love on this Earth…

…why would you twist the words of God?

My suspicion is that many pretribbers don’t love God. It’s really that simple.

Conclusion – Your Choice

So, here is what we talked about:

  • Truth ALWAYS trumps THEORY – ALWAYS
  • The Antichrist must come before the Rapture
  • The Tribulation must come before the Rapture
  • The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture
  • The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture
  • Jesus Must Return before the Rapture
  • The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)
  • There is only one resurrection for those who are God’s people
  • God promised that Christians would suffer
  • There IS a Place of Safety on this Earth

If you would like more proof than this, I’ve talked about various parts of the pre-tribulation rapture, here:

http://www.omegashock.com/2014/07/26/weekend-shockcast-twisting-the-bible/

http://www.omegashock.com/2014/04/28/prophecy-clock-the-rapture/

http://www.omegashock.com/2013/02/21/pre-tribulation-rapture-fraud/

http://www.omegashock.com/2013/02/20/jesuit-pretrib-rapture/

http://www.omegashock.com/2013/08/08/the-rapture-that-wasnt/

http://www.omegashock.com/2014/05/23/your-theories-will-not-protect-you/

http://www.omegashock.com/2014/04/26/weekend-shockcast-the-2000-year-war/

http://www.omegashock.com/2014/05/03/weekend-shockcast-prophecy-clock-and-timeline/

The goal of this website is to help you stay as safe as possible in the coming days, so that you can continue to serve the Lord. But, you will not be able to do that, if you believe a lie.

The pre-tribulation rapture really is a lie.

So, I leave the choice to you:

Would you rather believe God?

Or,

Would you rather believe a lie?

The choice is yours.

Choose well.

I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
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27 thoughts on “The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie”

  1. Dear Brother John,
    My Sunday school instructor just made the statement “we will not have to
    experience the TRIBULATION because Jesus took care of that on the Cross.”
    I couldn’t believe my ears. No where in the bible do I read that because of
    Christ’s death on the cross, Christians are exempt from experiencing some
    type of tribulation. It is very, very difficult to attend a church that doesn’t
    believe in “Pre-Trib” rapture. In fact, if you know of one, please let me know.

    • Hi Pearl,

      This is why errors are bad, when we hold on to them – at the expense of all else. This pre-trib fanaticism has infected so many other parts of their understanding of the Bible, that foolish teachers will stand up and say what this man said.

      I have to keep telling myself that these people are ‘well-meaning’. But, it’s hard to feel that way, when they berate you for not agreeing with their heresy.

      As for the post-tribbers, they are out there. But, many of THOSE have even WORSE heresies.

      Many post-trib people claim that we are already in the Millennium. Many say that there is no Millennium. Others believe in ‘replacement theology’. Some even believe in doing violence to conquer the Earth – for Christ.

      If I had to choose between heresies, I would much rather go with the pretribbers. Many Post-Trib people are in danger of going to Hell, for ripping out Revelation 20.

      But, I deeply sympathize with your feelings, Pearl. It is so depressing to hear stuff like this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

    • Hi Pearl
      Yep the Harlot has many daughters – The Lord warned us to come out of them, so we don’t suffer the wrath that is coming on them. This pre-rapture lie came from the Harlot and she has embedded this lie in Bible colleges and seminaries. Then these blind guides go into the churches teach the same lie because they believe men’s doctrine instead of letting the Holy Spirit guide them in the real truth that is only found in the scriptures.
      1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

      The Lord also gave a very stern warning about those who are adding and taking away from his Word
      Revelation 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
      19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
      I refuse to sit under the teaching of anybody teaching this lie, because they are calling our Lord Jesus a liar – Jesus said he will raised the dead believers on the last day after the tribulation not 7 years before
      John 6:39 – This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day.

      John 6:40 – And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

      John 6:44 – No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

      John 6:54 – Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

      John 11:24 – Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the Last Day.

  2. Jase – the simple FACT is that so many view the PRETRIB rapture as absolute fact and they will be shaken and in many cases lose their faith. He who is faithful to the END will be saved. People lose faith over the sickness or death of a loved one and much else – how much more when a central doctrine they believe is shown to be utterly false???

  3. Tell that to the Ugandan pastor who had his wife raped and then murdered in front of him and his children and then his children killed. Tell that to any in Fox’s book of martyrs. Pakistani Christians celebrate when someone is martyred for their faith, The rapture idea gained popularity in AMERICA which saw itself as invincible with oceans either side. People here do not identify well with the suffering that is NORMAL for the church. Jesus and Paul talked about suffering all the time – the Bible says ALL. Your dog does not hunt LK2.

  4. The Western Pre-Tribbers have no ability to exegete Scripture, eisegesis is their game! The only way you can create a pretrb rapture is to create this idea externally from Scripture and then isolate, twist and torture bits and pieces of Scripture to prove the pretrib fallacy! This doctrine could only be developed by a group of people who hav never had to suffer for their belief! The pretribbers suffer no persecution for their belief while Christians in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia…….. around the world are persecuted and murdered on a daily basis?! God has not plucked the faithful from trials and tribulation anywhere in Scripture but He has rather, given them what they needed and need to make it THROUGH their trials and tribulations, but I guess the pretribbers think they are some super special believers and deserve this rapture? I thought Jesus Christ said in John 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to be born and tortured and crucified while completely innocent and Jesus Christ, lovingly and willingly, laid down His life so that many could have eternal life but I guess the pretribbers dont consider Him a “good” enough friend to lay down their lives for him? WOW????
    1Cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.( Just not great tribulation???) The Apostle Paul thought it was the greatest of glories to suffer and die for Jesus Christ but the pretribbers and that should make it brutally clear that this pretrib doctrine is rubbish! The transfiguration happens at the end, when the final trump sounds and every last soul will see it, hear it and know it and all will kneel to the Lord Jesus Christ!

  5. Grace And Peace, John Little. Totally agree with: “I try to always ask God for direction before I write, because I truly want every word that I write to be what He wants you to read. I really do. It scares me that I would lead you astray in ANYTHING. Unfortunately, because I am fallible, you cannot trust my words completely. I really am no better than you are.” { “leading astray” = “bad works” in 1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15!, Correct? }

    And Even More with: “The Bible is ALWAYS right. Always.” = AMEN!!!

    [DELETED FOR CLARITY – JL]

    And, Also, as DB states: “The only way you can create a pretrb rapture is to create this idea externally from Scripture and then isolate, twist and torture bits and pieces of Scripture,” – how would this “accusation fit” in, And just “how am I “mistaken” with “my Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure view” having “Possibly(?) violated” ANY of the following?:

    [DELETED FOR CLARITY – JL]

    With NO “solid” foundation, our building “could be on shaky” ground, eh? (smile)

    JL, Looking forward to Great Discussion of God’s Important Matters with you…
    …IF you wish…

    bro Chris (seeking The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And NOTHING But The Truth!)

    • Hi Grace ambassador (bro Chris),

      Please explain your acronyms when you use them. Pre-TOJT is NOT a commonly understood acronym. It means, “Pre-Time Of Jacob’s Trouble”.

      Now that we have THAT out of the way, let me get to the point:

      WHERE IS YOUR VERSE?!

      I would be willing to consider a pre-trib rapture or pre-TOJT rapture – if there was a verse describing it. There isn’t.

      Show me the verse, and we can talk.

      If you can’t show me a verse, then you have a serious problem.

      Second, “Jacob’s Trouble” is NOT the Great Tribulation. It’s about the salvation of the children of Jacob. We are not the ‘children of Jacob’. God changed Jacob’s name, when he entered into covenant with God.

      So, show me the verse, and then we’ll talk. Until then… you need to think about changing your position, Chris.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  6. Grace And Peace. JL, thanks for the reply. Of course you win, since there is NO
    “ONE” Verse “proving” a “Pre-Time of Jacob’s Trouble” GRACE Departure From
    The earth For The Body Of CHRIST To Heaven For our Judgment. Thus, i suppose
    there is NO “discussion.” I’m not sure if this has been “well stated” or not:

    “man Cannot ‘hang’ a Doctrine of God on ONE verse, but a man Can Certainly
    ‘hang himSELF’ With Only ONE verse!” 🙁 Amen?

    • Chris, for every precept of our faith, there is at least one verse that directly describes it. At least one. You don’t even have one, while I have several that say that you are wrong. Therefore, your ideas are heresy. There’s nothing else to say. – JL

    • Bro. Chris – Personally – I have found over the years that it is absolutely pointless to quote any of the numerous scriptures written throughout the 66 books of “the law of God” about the ‘pre-tribulation Rapture’ to those who have made the Personal Religious Choice to Deny it
      – AND – Many of the ‘pre-tribulation Rapture’ Deniers are also strong believers in the “antichrist” ‘Replacement Theology’ \ ‘Supersessionism’ \ ‘British Israelism’ \ ‘Christian Identity’ \ ad nasue-ism . . . . . .

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      • Hi Bro. Nick,

        Since you didn’t even bother to add anything to the conversation, I stopped you at the one point that you were most egregiously wrong.

        I and those like me are NOT into ‘Replacement Theology’ \ ‘Supersessionism’ \ ‘British Israelism’ \ ‘Christian Identity’ \ ad nasue-ism, in any way. Quite the opposite. You didn’t even bother to look at the rest of the website before passing judgment.

        Furthermore, the reason why you won’t provide scriptural reference to back up your claim, is because you have no verse or passage that describes a pretribulation rapture. NONE.

        How is it possible to create an entire theology based upon an idea that does not exist in the Bible?

        NOT. ONE. PASSAGE.

        NOT. ONE. VERSE.

        Nick, I truly hope that you are a brother. But, you are also the purveyor of false and unbiblical teaching. You need to repent.

        Yours in Christ,

        John Little
        omegashock.com

  7. The pre-tribulation rapture is one of the most profound and divisive lies ever told. It’s up there with works-based salvation, diminishing the perfect sacrifice of the LORD, Christ Jesus; but, is amplified in that while demonic, works-based doctrines are more limited in scope, PTR teachings are rampant, like cancer.

    It’s born of man’s pride, like all other false teachings. The men who originate these types of teachings that have, apparently, eluded all of Christendom for millennia, all have in common that they are prideful; desiring to be the discoverer/bearer of some esoteric knowledge that they will be remembered for.

    When engaging adherents to this teaching, it’s often the rule (rather than the exception) that they’re devoted to it with a cult-like fervor, even to the extent of questioning YOUR salvation for denying it. Even when you approach them with patience and gentleness (fruits of the Spirit) and show them the erroneous human interpretations of the Word, they will deny you, insult you, accuse you of a lack of understanding, et cetera.

    If you can manage to get past this, it then always becomes a sort of semantic argument, where there are more hairs being split than at a barber stop; wherein, all parties involved seem to end up confused and questioning more than just the teaching, itself. Obviously, this is counterproductive and completely unnecessary (1 Corinthians 14:33).

    Ultimately, the only thing you can offer is a sound mind and spiritual discernment, and hope it sticks (2 TIMOTHY 1:7): “Ok, let’s do it this way, then. What do you have to gain by being lulled into complacency? Nothing, but the enemy of your soul most certainly does. Contrariwise, what do you have to gain by being prepared for tribulation? Everything.”

    There’s not much better of a faith-crusher than to be watching prophecy unfold, believing you would be spared many of the horrors of it, only to find yourself in the midst of it, thinking you’ve been “left behind.”

    • Hi Joe,

      The problem is that most Post-Tribbers are worse. Mean spirited, hard hearted and antisemitic. They hate and despise a country that I spent 15 years living and working in and do terrible damage to everything that the prophets say.

      Hopefully, you are not one of those, but it’s a rare thing.

      I’m about to release a book that knocks out almost every position on the Last Days, and I wish that I was wrong.

      When Gog Comes
      https://whengogcomes.com/

      Prove me wrong, and I will be a happy man.

      Thanks, Joe!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  8. The LORD JESUS has told me we will be here and come out of the great tribulation. (Rev: 7:14) Can I please get a phone #

    • The church is still here at Revelation 16:15

      To the CHURCH of Sardis: “…If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee AS A THIEF, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” (Rev 3:3)
      To the CHURCH of Laodicea: “…I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear… (Rev 3:18)
      Nobody (pretrib or post trib will argue that these verses are a warning for the CHURCH.

      Now we have another “thief in the night” and “garnment / nakedness” warning verse:

      “Behold, I COME LIKE A THIEF. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” (Rev 16:15)

      This is the an exact same warning like in Revelation 3:3 and 3: 18, and IT’S IN CHAPTER 16 AFTER THE SIXTH VIAL!

      If the church is still warned in the 16th chapter of Revelation the same way it is warned in Revelation 3, that means that the church is STILL HERE after the 6th vial!

      Also the rapture only comes AFTER the dead are resurrected (1Tess 4:15-17) AND Revelation 20:4-5 says that at the FIRST resurrection (first resurrection means that there are no other resurrections before this first one) the dead in Christ have ALREADY went through the tribulation. So a pretrib rapture is chronologically IMPOSSIBLE without distorting the meaning of the words and Bible verses, but that is what pretrib rapture people love to do.

  9. Hi John
    I agree with you you that there isn’t a pre rapture of the church, but there was another resurrection of saints, it happen when Jesus was resurrected.
    And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook; and the rocks were split, and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many. Matthew 27:51-53
    These were all the saints in Paradise which was located in the earth, waiting for their sins to be paid for by Jesus. These are all the OT saints and those who where found righteous who died before the cross. Nobody could go to Heaven until their sins were paid for by Jesus – now all born again believers who died go to be with ,the Lord. These are the ones who are coming back with the Lord, and will be reunited with their new resurrected bodies. I believe the saints that were resurrected after Jesus was already have their new bodies.
    I don’t know how people can believe in a pre rapture of church when Jesus said that he would raised the dead believers on the last day. In all reality they are calling our Lord a liar.
    The tribulation period is the time given to Satan for wearing out the Saints, God’s wrath comes when Jesus returns. How can Satan wear out the Saints if we are gone! This false hope is probably going to be the cause of the great falling away from the faith. They teach that there are going to be Christians left behind to go through a tribulation, where is it written that there is a partial save Christian. You are either save or not How is fair that these so called left behind Christians get to have a second chance to be save, when millions of Christians have had relatives and friends who died in their sins. Where is there second chance!

    John 6:39 – This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day.

    John 6:40 – And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

    John 6:44 – No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

    John 6:54 – Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

    John 11:24 – Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the Last Day.

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