SPECIAL REPORT – UPDATE – Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann

Since my special report on Viji Varghese, I have received new and disturbing information. I have received evidence of deliberate lies and obfuscations.

Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann have been engaged in deliberate deception against their listeners. Steve attempted to blackmail a sister in Christ, and it is now more clear that Steve also attempted blackmail against myself.

Furthermore, it is clear that they knew that V, W and Dr. S were frauds. Either that, or their claims to vet such pseudonyms are a lie – or both. The worst part, is that this appears to be just the tip of the iceberg.


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SPECIAL REPORT – UPDATE – Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann

After last week’s SPECIAL REPORT, I received a deluge of questions and information. Such things are normal in a case like this, and I expected that. But, as I was going through the new information, my heart sank. I also became outraged.

Men who claimed to be Godly, where showing themselves to be far less than they appeared to be. Deliberate deception was being used. As I write this, the feeling of betrayal are almost overwhelming. While I did not agree with all that these men were saying, I at least thought that they were honest.

To my grief, I have discovered that these men are NOT honest.

On Tuesday, I was forced to spend four hours away from my computer and any connection to the Internet. My wife was dragging me to the doctor, and it gave me time to pray and reflect on the devastating information that I had been given.

I wrestled with myself, hoping to find some way to avoid saying what I have said below. But the more that I prayed and thought, the more I became convicted of the need to show you what I have seen.

I cannot – and do not wish to – understand how men can praise God and behave with such deceit. I am horrified by this. I am shaken. These men have traded eternal glory for the praise of men and women. How anyone could do this is beyond me.

But, you haven’t seen the evidence of why I am saying this, so I would get to that.

Doug Hagmann Responds To John Little

But first, let’s see Doug Hagmann’s response to my SPECIAL REPORT:

The Tactic of Lawfare to Silence Truth Seekers 1/11/17

YouTube shortlink: https://youtu.be/-iTF8_MWnwo

Of course, you will not hear one mention of my name, or the name of the woman at the center of much of what I will say below.

But, did you notice the timing?

You might not be suspicious of this timing, now. I would not expect you to be, but you haven’t seen what I have seen. But, I did applaud – quite literally – the cleverness of what Doug did here.

Well done, Doug.

It was an exceptionally well-executed bit of manipulation to paint himself as the victim, instead of the victimizer. And Doug, you did it with that signature gravitas that you use so capably. But, it’s too bad that you have left a trail of deceit by which we can discover your true nature.

In the video, Doug asked us all to double down and expose the ‘deeds of darkness’. Well Doug, I will take that encouragement and do just that.

So, let me turn the hands of time back, and start from the beginning.

Someone Named Barbara

People send me email from time to time, and the name of one of those people is Barbara. She lets me know when she disagrees with me on something, and I always tell her why she’s wrong. Of course, I always believe that she was the one who was wrong. Just like she thinks that I am the one who’s wrong. But, I don’t mind if people think that I’m wrong about this, that or the other thing.

I respect people of conviction and integrity, so I respect Barbara.

Then, a couple weeks ago, she sent me a link. No text. No message. Just a link. People do that, and I tend to click such links, if they are from people that I have some knowledge of.

It was about Viji Varghese.

I had been searching for info on this character – off and on – for a long time, and she gave the one thing that I had been looking for… a name. Then, she sent another one. Then, I did my own searching. From that, came last week’s SPECIAL REPORT: Viji Varghese (aka, V the Guerilla Economist).

I Contacted Steve And Doug In Advance

Now, when I do such a ‘report’, I contact the people involved, in advance. And, I did that. I mentioned that some of what I was seeing was rather unflattering to them, to put it mildly. And, I told them that I wanted their side of the story, so that my readers could judge for themselves. I did not contact Viji, but I did contact Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann.

Here is what I sent, on 07:35 a.m. (est), Monday Morning, Jan 2:


Viji Varghese – Your side of the story would be appreciated


Hi Doug, Joe and Steve,

I’ve been handed a bunch of information on Viji Varghese (aka, V the Guerilla Economist). From the first moment that I heard him on the Hagmann Report, I felt that he was a lying liar. But, I had no proof.

Now, there’s proof.

Unfortunately, quite a bit about what is said in these documents is rather uncomplimentary to you. My hope is that what is said is incorrect. So, I would like your side of the story and will do my best to make sure that your side is told.

Lord willing I plan to produce what I have on Friday, January 6th, 2017. I know that this isn’t a lot of time, so I apologize for that. However, I will certainly provide space and opportunity for you to respond to what is in these documents, after they are published.

Hopefully, this will be an opportunity for Omega Shock readers to realize that many people profess to be righteous and holy (as V did) will being evil at heart. These kinds of things will get worse, in the future, and the Body of Christ needs to know what they face.

I hope that this email finds all of you well, and that you will be blessed in the coming year.

Yours in Christ,

John Little

PS. Since my website and email has been under attack, I will be sending this under a couple of different email addresses, to make sure that it gets to you. I apologize for the duplication.

Just about 45 minutes later (about 5:18 a.m., his time), Steve responded:


RE: Viji Varghese – Your side of the story would be appreciated



(BTW, Steve has told me several times, that he writes in all caps
because his eyes are bad.

Then, less than ten minutes later, Steve sent this message:


RE: Viji Varghese – Your side of the story would be appreciated



This wasn’t quite what I was expecting. I was expecting a response that I would have made, under certain circumstances, indicating that they felt bad about how Viji used them and that they would love to set the record straight.

I certainly would have felt guilty about what Viji had done, and my part in it – if I had been used to further his fraudulent activities.

I thought about it a bit and then sent out this email, the next day, Tuesday, 4:40 a.m. (est):


RE: Viji Varghese – Your side of the story would be appreciated


Hi Steve,

I am still grateful for all that you have done for my ministry, in posting my articles. Thank you.

Here are the two documents that were emailed to me:



It is my understanding that the person who emailed them to me was a disgruntled investor who had to take out a mortgage on her house because her precious metal investments were ‘under water’.

That second link above was the most painful. I have subsequently started to do more of a search, and have come up with these:




Then, as I pulled on that string, another name popped up:

Wayne Willot (aka, ‘W’)

That’s all that I have, for now. I will keep doing research.

I am hoping that the record can be set straight on all of this. Having been in the investment field, I understand that investments don’t always work out, and the finger always seems to get pointed at the person who sold them the investment. I’ve been there, so I understand that a lot of this is unrealistic expectations of disgruntled investors.

My concern is for the Body of Christ. I hope to use this as an opportunity for them to understand that there are many – such as Viji Varghese – who claim to be Christian, but are not.

Yours in Christ,

John Little

I wince at calling Barbara a ‘disgruntled investor’. I had dimly remembered that someone had bought silver from Steve Quayle and had to take out a mortgage on her house, since the resale value of her silver had collapsed. I thought that Barbara was the one, and that she was just unhappy with how her investment had turned out.

As you will see later, I found out that I was horribly wrong. And, that I should NOT have called Barbara a ‘disgruntled investor’. I’m embarrassed that I said that.

Sorry, Barbara. I should not have described you like that.

And yes, I really am an idiot. Just ask anyone who knows me well.

Steve’s Attempt At Blackmail Upon Myself

Then, out of the blue, I receive this, 16 hours later, via Steve Quayle’s account:




John, you only are seeing what the individuals behind a massive, meritless legal campaign to harass us, to bankrupt us and to ultimately silence us want you to see, for the real evidence (not documentation, but evidence) about the subject matter you reference cannot be revealed until the suit is litigated. You’re a smart guy – think about it – don’t you find the timing rather odd that they “give you” this published documentation at a time when Doug and I cannot legally respond during our suit in progress? Convenient. Clever. But far from original.

Our attorneys have the documentation in their hands, and subpoenas drafted (several, including a few to be served on ex-pats in foreign countries) in the event their suit advances through the court system. Now you could potentially be added to this list – being dragged into this not by us, but BECAUSE of them, as you are being unwittingly duped as their proxy acting outside of the legal system.

Speaking as a friend who has already invested a lot of money in legal fees to this madness, I would hate to see you being named when it is so needless, but only you can make that decision. Write what you want, but understand that you are not seeing the truth – just what they want you to see – and your location will not serve as a buffer, but a big inconvenience. Steve

(Did you notice that it is no longer in all caps,
and in a different color? In a different style?
Yeah, I noticed too.

The definition of blackmail is useful here, so let’s go to Merriam-Webster:

extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution


Steve Shows Me Doug’s Filing Against Barbara

The rest of the message was a copy of Doug Hagmann’s submission to the Department of Attorney General, for Michigan, attempting to have her complaint against Steve thrown out.

What was Doug claiming about Barb?

That (1) she was crazy (2) her family thought that she was crazy (3) she was essentially acting to help Steve’s competitors (4) she was ‘acting in concert with’ unspecified parties.

The date?

This is important, so pay attention to it:

11 September 2015

You’ll find out, later, why this is important.

Now, I had been conversing by email, with Barbara since at least 2014, over a wide range of issues. I disagreed with her on issues. But, she wasn’t stupid, and she wasn’t crazy.

Back To Steve’s Blackmail Attempt

Of course, what really got me – in Steve’s email to me – was this paragraph, in the above email:

Speaking as a friend who has already invested a lot of money in legal fees to this madness, I would hate to see you being named when it is so needless, but only you can make that decision. Write what you want, but understand that you are not seeing the truth – just what they want you to see – and your location will not serve as a buffer, but a big inconvenience. Steve

Wait. I think that I was just threatened!

I responded this way:

Steve, you just threatened me with a law suit. You shouldn’t have done that. – JL

His response:


(The bold in the above was mine.)

And yeah, Steve just confirmed it. That was a threat of a lawsuit.

Steve, you threatened me with a lawsuit, if I didn’t shut up.

THAT is blackmail.

Back To Doug Hagmann’s Video

Now, think about that for a minute. Barbara filed a complaint. Steve and Doug are talking about suing… EVERYBODY.

Did you get that?

Doug talked in the video about ‘lawfare’ being used against him. But, he says NOTHING about the lawfare that they are planning against us.

Very convenient, Doug. Very.

But, I only found out about the video, an hour (or so) ago. So, let’s continue with my story…

Back To The Story: A Mutual Friend Intervenes

A mutual friend intervened. So, I calmed down a bit before sitting down to write about Viji Varghese. As you can tell, I tried to give as much benefit of the doubt to Steve. I bent over backwards to make sure that the criticism in the documents were as deflected as much as possible.

Sixty Six Pages Of Evidence From Barbara

Some time later, after my Special Report, Barbara chose to offer me everything, all the records, the emails, the conversations. She said that it was a lot and even embarrassing for her. But, she said that she was willing to take the embarrassment, for me to see the truth.

By then, I was deep into answering comments and email. But, I told her to go ahead, and she did. It was 66 pages! (She DID say that it was a lot.) I sighed and left myself a mental note to go through it, first thing, Monday.

By the time that I was done, I was hopping mad. And, Mrs. Little was NOT happy with my emotional outrage. She knew that her husband was a barbarian at the best of times, but this was a little much.

What got me so mad?

The First Thing That Got Me Mad

First of all, it was that knowledge that Steve Quayle, by his own admission, knew that Viji Varghese was a fraud since 2014. For two and a half years, Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann had said NOTHING about this lying liar. And, they were the ones to give him his entry into the big time.

How dare they do NOTHING!

They unleashed this villain into the Body of Christ. They had given him their stamp of approval. Doug Hagmann, private investigator, with more than thirty years of experience… had verified the authenticity of Viji Varghese.

In fact, to quote Doug Hagmann…

It is relevant to note here that it is our policy, when dealing with individuals using false names or pseudonyms on air and in published reports, is contingent on two-(2) conditions. The first is that they have legitimate reasons for doing so (e.g. whistleblower status), we are informed that the name is a pseudonym, and most importantly, we know their true identity. In the case of Kirk McLeod, we failed to exercise due diligence.

(emphasis mine)

Those are HIS words, taken from this document:

Setting the Record Straight: Joint Response Addressing the Character Assassinations Underway

(If that document should ‘disappear’, you’ll know why.)

And, the date on the document, February 10, 2015.

So Doug, what about V – aka, Viji Varghese?

What about the fraudulent Dr. S?

What about W – aka, Wayne Willot?

You claim, with pomp and circumstance, that you fulfill ALL of your responsibilities. ALL OF THEM. Those of you who read the whole thing will be impressed by the gravitas with which they act.

But, it’s a sham. All of it.

Marinka Peschmann

They went after Michael Erevna and Marinka Peschmann for trying to tell the truth as they saw it. Viji, Dr. S, and Waye Willot were lying through their teeth.

In fact, now is a good time to show some of the things that investigative reporter, Marinka Peschmann uncovered. Here they are, in chronological order:

Did Doug Hagmann make up his NSA allegation he asked me to report? … Updated and updated – 8 October 2014

Steve Quayle Exposes Doug Hagmann’s NSA Targeting Allegation is Fake … Updated – 19 November 2014

Poison Fruits: “Christian” alternative media stars Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann’s SWAT allegation also fake – 9 February 2015

Trust me, I’m lying: “Christian” truth tellers Quayle and Hagmann strike back with veiled threats, character assassinations, provide nothing to refute my NSA and SWAT corrective reporting – 24 February 2015

Marinka is a Christian, but they went after her with hammer and tongs. Doug and Steve did everything that they could – short of a lawsuit – to shut her up. They dare not sue her, because she knows how to uncover facts. When you look over the work that she has done, you’ll be impressed.

Should ANYONE try to sue me, I would certainly seek her help. She knows how to find stuff. And, she’s a sister in Christ. But, that was about two years ago. I wasn’t really paying attention to all of that. In fact, when it blew up, I might have been in Jerusalem at the time, for a couple of months, visiting family.

Nathan Leal

Then last year, when Nathan Leal withdrew from a certain conference and told his readers why, they attempted to assassinate Nathan’s character. Nathan told the truth, and they tried to destroy him for it.

Does this sound Christian to you?

Not to me, and just writing all that has my blood boiling again. But, there’s still more.

The Second Thing That Had Me Hooting And Hollering Mad

Secondly, Steve Quail tried to use blackmail to try to shut Barbara up. Here is what he said to her:


The email was factually incorrect. Barbara NEVER threatened anyone. Her ‘kid’ is prepared to testify in court that he never said that she was crazy.

But that blackmail threat…

Sorry Steve, but that was evil. Straight up, no excuses. To use the threat of ‘exposing her mental condition’ to get her to stop her complaints about his conduct. THAT is the very definition of blackmail.

Is this how a Christian acts?

Barbara’s Complaint

But, it gets worse.

What was she complaining about?

The fact that he knew that Viji Varghese was a fraud, since 2014, and did nothing. She was not asking for money. She wasn’t suing him – although, she might need to. She was demanding that he be accountable for his actions.

Think about that for a moment. Blessed accountability. Something that we Christians should be known for. That’s what she asked Steve for, and he refused to give it. THAT was when she went to her congressman. THAT is when she made her complaint.

Barbara’s Biggest Failure

For more than 35 years, Barbara worked as a coordinator for Intensive Care Units for some of the best hospitals in the Detroit area. She’s not crazy. She’s not incompetent. She’s not stupid.

Her biggest failure?

She believed Steve Quayle and Viji Varghese – V the Guerrilla Economist. And, it was Steve Quayle who introduced ‘V the Guerrilla Economist’ to the world. When Steve read the emails that V was sending him, she became terrified.

She trusted Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann. They were ‘annointed men of God’. Doug was an experienced private investigator. So, V – Viji Varghese – must have been what he said that he was.

Barbara was NOT a financial expert. Barbara was retired. She was out of her depth. She was terrified. So, she took all of her money and threw it at Steve, only to see the value of her investment fall off of a cliff.

I Remember Some Of This

I remember listening to Steve read some of that garbage, and I knew that it was garbage. And, when this ‘V the Guerilla Economist’ showed up, I knew that he was a liar – but, I had no proof. But, even I fell for the aura of righteousness that Steve had, and the sense of competence radiating from Doug.

Did Steve and Doug know that Viji was a fraud from the beginning?

I don’t know. But, if they didn’t know, then they are liars. I showed you Doug’s claim that they check EVERYONE. So, either they are incompetent, or they are liars.

I leave that for you to choose.

The Facts – Verified By Steve Quayle Himself

Now, do you remember that date that I asked you to remember?

The date in question is:

11 September 2015

It comes from the email that Steve sent me.

By 2015, Barbara had realized that there was something wrong. So, after doing her own homework, Barbara called Steve on July 17th, 2015. Steve told her that he knew that Viji Varghese was a fraud, and had known it for a year. When I saw that in Barbara’s records, I howled in outrage.

How DARE Steve do nothing!!

(I know. I keep saying that, but I can’t help myself.)

But, even though Barbara had not received a satisfactory response from Steve, she still waited. Even then, she gave him space to repent. It was only on August the 24th, that she submitted her complaint to the Attorney General of the State of Michigan.

Doug Hagmann, in his response 18 days later, then tried to defame and slander her reputation, while claiming to be an experienced authority on the matters in question. However, that’s not the main reason why I wanted you to remember that date.

Little did Steve Quayle know, that when he sought to threaten me with a lawsuit and convince me that Barbara was nuts, that he was confirming what Barbara would later show me. The dates match up with what she said, and she had no idea that Steve Quayle had given me the corroborating information.

I’m sorry Steve, but you were caught by your own words.

The same goes for you, Doug.

Your own words and actions condemn you both.

Unfortunately, that is not the end of this sorry tale. And, this addition is important, because it shows the character of those that surround Steve and Doug.

David Lankford

I used to have a lot of respect for David Lankford. In fact, if you do a search on Omega Shock, you’ll see the good things that I had to say about him. But, when he proceeded to join Steve Quayle in beating up Nathan Leal, I was shocked.

I didn’t know Nathan. I didn’t follow his work. But, the little that I did know, told me that he did NOT deserve being verbally beaten up and slandered for three hours on the Hagmann Report.

So, I started investigating. The result was this:

My Report on Nathan Leal

Well, I mentioned that report in last week’s ‘Special Report’, and I also mentioned David Lankford’s name.

Well, David was so pleased by this, that he chose to bless me with some emails. Here’s the first one:

Dear John chicken Little: I just wanted to thank you today for blessing me by reviling me. Matthew 5:11–12. You were so gracious to condemn yourself according to the word of God. Matthew 12:36-37. Thank you also in describing yourself as an apostate and reprobate in that you said you were an unreasonable and wicked man. 2nd Thessalonians 3:2. That scripture is very clear you do not have saving faith according to the word of God because you are an unreasonable or injurious man. I rejoice in the sovereignty of our God and that he put it in your own heart to expose yourself for the vile creature you are. You are an apostate, a reprobate, and a castaway. By the way Jesus did not send a text or an email people. Christ engaged them personally which you never do because you are an apostate and hypocrite.Pastor Lankford Sent from my iPhone

But, he was only getting started. Here’s number two:

You are so self righteous you stink to high heaven. You are a viper just like Jesus said. You attacked me for no reason whatsoever. You hid behind a key board for you are cowardice. You are just like Alexander the copper smith. You do nothing to edify the body of Christ.Neither do you bring people to the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Your own words condemned you when you fulfilled 2nd Thes. 3:2 in its totality. You make yourself the jury,judge,and executor in everything that you do. The fact you concealed this matter from your wife demonstrates your hypocrisy. That in itself demonstration you’r not one in your marriage. you knew she would tell you to not do what you did but you’re arrogant and bigoted and self righteous therefore you do what you want without the leadership of the Holy Ghost. you harm the body of Christ profusely. I’ve even had some people ask me what in the world is going on with this man and say they are on unsubscribing from your sewage letter. The Bible is clear if you have ought with your brother you go to them you don’t text them nor email them but again you hide behind a keyboard. You will without doubt pay for your sins because you seek to deceive so many people. I don’t even know V, never spoke to him would not know him if I saw him. but you associate me with that vile person. If you can make it into heaven no debased individual will ever have a problem getting there. You are a disgrace to the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. I have been a minister for 40 years and have witnessed many aberrations but you are one of the worst I have ever witnessed in my life. Every name I called you is scriptural and biblical. you believe without a doubt you’re absolutely correct in what you do but that is exactly what proud and deceived people do. You are truly a man that is ship wrecked in his faith and destroying many lives along the way. You seek to build yourself on the notoriety and backs of others also. I pray God turn your flesh over to Satan that your spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord! Again thank you for your admission and that you cannot be reasoned with. You fulfilled Revelation 17:17. God did put it in your heart to fulfill his will and exposing yourself with you’re hypocrisy. You were so biblically illiterate because there will be lying and death during the millennial reign of Christ. If you understood the 65th chapter of the book of Isaiah you would know that. Even Revelation chapter 28 after the devil is released out of hell he goes up on the earth and the seas the nations to bring a rebellion against God. What a buffoon you truly your scripturally Sent from my iPhone

And, there are two more. But, I’ll stop here.

Does this sound like a ‘man of God’ to you?

Well, I was so overcome with gratitude for his messages of love and peace, that I only responded to the fourth one:

Hi David,

Again, you participated in an unprovoked and unChristian attack upon Nathan Leal. For three hours. He did nothing to deserve that.

And, I now see your personal attacks on me.

This does not speak well of your walk with the Lord.

You need to repent, David. And, you need to publicly apologize to Nathan Leal for what you did to him and Donna. The pain that you caused and the damage that you did to his ministry was huge.

Repent, David, before it is too late.

Yours in Christ,

John Little

Please pray that David Lankford repents of the evil that he has done. No, don’t worry about me. I expect these kinds of things. I’ve heard worse, by people who are more talented in the art of slander and insult.

I am truly thankful that I don’t do phone calls, and that I did not honor his request to call him a year ago. Since this appears to be a sample of his discourse, my eardrums are grateful for sticking to my no-phone rule.

A certain verse seems applicable here:

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.

 – James 1:26


Upon reflection, it is clear that there is wickedness in high places. Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann have sinned against God. And, they have surrounded themselves with people of like mind.

How deep this goes, and how far it goes… is hard to say. But, sin has clearly happened. I can speculate, and I was going to. But, I’m a bit worn out, and all of you can think for yourselves.

Steve, Doug, David… all of you need to repent. If you do not, there is only one answer for you, and I shiver at the thought of it. Those of you who are close to them, need to get away from the blast zone.

God help us all.

Yours in Christ,

John Little


I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
(That’s a link. Click it for a discussion on preparation.)

A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.Proverbs 22:3


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193 thoughts on “SPECIAL REPORT – UPDATE – Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann”

  1. Hello John,

    It is testament to the good work that you do that these self-proclaimed Christians attack you the way they do. The second email from David Lankford was especially enlightening. I would dearly like to get hold of a copy of his bible. I expect someone who has been a minister for 40 years gets special privileges because my bible only goes up to Revelation Chapter 22 or just maybe he is not aware of that…

    To call a brother in Christ a buffoon is tantamount to being in danger of hellfire and any true Christian would know that. Therefore I suspect this man is no more than one of the many who are masquerading as ministers of righteousness whose end will be according to their works.

    Keep the faith John despite all the fiery darts!

    Your Brother in Christ,


    • Hi Michael,

      Thank you for that brother. I appreciate it.

      All of this bothers me because of the eternal price that is being paid by these men. I’m not saying that they are going to Hell, although it is always possible that they are such frauds that they aren’t even Christian. I have learned the hard way, that some who claim to be Christian, never were Christian.

      But, Steve, Doug and David have traded the rewards of service to God, for the pretty baubles of this life. That is a tragedy beyond comprehension.

      To stand upon the pedestal of authority, and then misuse that authority will bear a price in the life to come, that is more awful than I want to even think about. Those of us who have accepted Christ as our Lord and Savior, have the opportunity for great reward in heaven.

      It’s not my main goal in life, these rewards. I only think of such things when someone like these three men choose to dispense with such reward.

      It’s good to hear from you Michael. I pray that you and your wife will be well on the little island that you both are on.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      PS. This ‘Michael’ is an old friend from my days in Israel. He is currently serving the Lord on a tiny island somewhere, someplace on planet Earth.

  2. Thank you John for keeping us up to date and well informed on the goings on in the alternative news media. You do stand for rightheouseness and carry it with well founded witnesses. You were on the right side when you so well defended Nathan Leal and I bless you in Christ and pray that He continues to keep you right by Him.

  3. Thank you, John, for taking on this painful task. I walked away from H&H almost a year ago. My life has been ever more peaceful since then.

    If you look at the commentary on the Tracking Meroz site, you will see my testimony. I won’t walk back anything I said there. There were some unkind things in there, I suppose, but they were honest thoughts.

    Ultimately, my opinion then and now is that the Hagmann’s and Steve would be greatly served by a public statement of apology for any and all deception, either purposefully or inadvertent. I think it would be a good first step in cooling down the anger surrounding their activities.

    I still have hope that these men have just been fooled, and it is only their foolishness and misdirected pride that keeps them from admitting guilt. It is clear to me that there is quite a lot of bravado and self-righteousness among that group. And they have many, many apologists in their camp. I was once one of them.

    I pray that the truth of this matter comes completely into the light. I don’t know Barbara, outside of what has been shown in her comments and letters, but my feeling is that she would be happy to just see these men repent. I have been similarly, though to a lesser degree, financially damaged by these men, but would much rather see a heartfelt apology than to receive recompense.

    Thank you and may God Bless you and lead you,


    • Hi Karl,

      Your feelings and thoughts resonate with mine.

      The problem with a damaged credibility, is that… once lost …it is hard to gain it back. Of course, as you say, an open acknowledgement of their sins and an open commitment to never do that again… well …it would certainly calm people down.

      Unfortunately, such broken trust can never really be completely healed. The pattern of deceit appears to reach all the way back to the beginning of H&H. When looking over what Marinka said about her interactions with Steve and Doug, it is clear that there was something fishing going on, even in 2011.

      How deep does the rot go?

      Was Steve a partner in subterfuge because the gold bubble had popped, and he needed something to boost his sales?

      Or was Steve a dupe?

      Was he a victim, along with the rest of us?

      All of this is hard to say, but this betrayal of trust is horrifying. As I said to Michael, to trade eternal reward for the rewards of this life, is beyond my ability to comprehend – unless they were never followers of Christ.

      And, the thought of them not being Christian is actually too much to think about. Although, some have indicated that this what they believe. I truly hope that these men are just wayward brothers in Christ. The thought that they are actually Luciferian… well …we’ll see.

      As Jesus said, “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt 7:20). So far, their fruit has been bitter and poisonous.

      Thank you, Karl. Keep up the good work!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  4. Hello My True Brother In Christ! I know how you feel! My husband and I were shown the deception in these men a year ago but didn’t have the heart to address the issue as we had more pressing family matters to attend to. Alexander Backman, a Spanish blogger was verbally threatened by these Nagas and my heart went out to him as well! I once called Quayle out on his money mongering and his response was to call me a “critical” woman and to dig in deeper to the money markets and his book selling. These Cretans lash out all the time and know not humility and grace! Indeed! You will know them by their fruit! Thank you for taking the time to highlight this disgrace! God Bless you and yours! Keep your anointed info coming!!! Happy New Year to All! Stacie, et. al.

  5. Good article! This is a much needed article for people on the fence.

    I never knew which side told the truth since the bashing of Nathan and just ask God who to trust. As time passed I found the H&H show full of advertising and full of Dr. Ted and full of peddling and less and less about God. I lost interest as week passed and just like that I noticed that I was not hook anymore on their words and their many products/books. My prayer was answer because I can clearly see it’s not of God and lost interest by no one opinions.

    I know if their is some truth in anything I see or ear, God will touch my hearth and ear at that time, so I can assimilate the information to help in my present and future walk with him.

    Keep your trust in someone in check, always. Never let your guard down, a man hearth can change on a whim, only take what is of God and leave the rest and move on.

  6. John,
    No surprise, pride always leads to the same place, destruction.
    They forgot humility and pride needs many lawyers.
    The Lord led me to read Matthew 6-7 this morning before I read this and I warned Steve during the busine$$ and pride fueled attacks on Nathan that it was very unwise of him to brag on all he has done for the Kingdom of God.

    It’s evident that he did not listen to me or Jesus’ warnings in Matthew 6.

    I noticed that D. Lankford suffered form the same pride when he shared his dream back then with us back then.

    Their pride could not be humbled to admit that their hearts kept them from admitting that their mammon driven ministries invited in the wolf V. To admit would expose who they really serve, but the truth eventually comes out.

    This is a Matthew 6:24 warning to the remnant to get away from the money changers before they are also swallowed up in judgment.

    It is painful to see God’s judgments begin at His house but at the same time I’m thankful to see Jesus getting his whip out and driving the money changers and business focused ministries out of His Temple.

    “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
    Matthew 6:24

    • Hi Marcel,

      You are one of the few people who have truly earned the right to say what you have said. And, I am so glad that God has given you the opportunity to do what you are doing. I remember when you first started leaving comments here.

      And that phrase… “pride needs many lawyers” …very well said. I did a quick search on Google to see if anyone else had said that.



      So, this one is yours:

      Pride needs many lawyers. – Marcel Cousineau

      If someone else gave you that one, feel free to transfer the credit to them. But, that is a VERY wise saying, and I will try to remember it.

      Pride really does need many lawyers.

      Keep up the good work, Marcel. I am so glad to see you do what you are doing.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  7. Dear friend,
    I just want you to know that I look forward to your Friday’s newsletter which, often, takes me a day to digest all that you publish. I enjoy the way you write, what you say, and your perspective. To be clear, I do disagree in some of your perspective but recognize iron sharpens iron.

    That said I was encouraged in your defense of Nathan Leal and your exposing the deeds of “V.” Accountability is important. The Christian community is like my own family: some saved, some lost, some evil but they are my family and I love them. I recognize their imperfections but let’s be honest blood is thicker than water. So it should be in our Christian community.

    So my question is this: how would you confront misunderstanding in your blood family? How would you hold them accountable? Is it loving to confront, demand, seek accountability from your blood relative like a sister or brother? What is the appropriate way, which actually is successful, in handling misunderstandings and conflicts?

    Personally, I appreciate what you have done and considering making some family members accountable for their inappropriate behavior over the Christmas holidays. However many have counseled me that it is not loving to confront quoting scripture: “love is patient, love is kind…does not take into account a wrong suffered.” I am confident you have been counseled in like manner.

    I would greatly appreciate your perspective on this subject matter of judging and confronting.

    Truth seeker,
    Mrs. Baker

    • Hi Donna Baker,

      Since I am a complete failure when it comes to dealing with physical family, I’m not sure what to say.

      Unfortunately, truth is harsh. There’s just no other way to look at it. The stark reality of truth is that there is an eternity of suffering for those who do not have it. For those who HAVE the truth, it’s not really harsh. But, I speak as someone speaking from the inside.

      Those on the outside will ALWAYS consider the truth to be ‘too harsh’ no matter how softly you speak it.

      Since I can now claim to be in my fifties, I have a better perspective than when I was in my twenties or thirties. You can’t change people. I’ve spent too long trying and now realize that the best that I can do is listen and love – and ask forgiveness for any hurt that I have caused. (And, I HATE the fact that I am GOOD at causing hurt.)

      I had a wayward member of my family – whether close or distant, I will not say – come to me with his troubles. He accused me of many things. He verbally raked me over the coals. From the heart I said that I was sorry. And, I was. I am. Every time that he calls me, I get beaten up. But, less and less. He is amazed at the change in me.

      Well, I haven’t changed. I’m just wiser than I was before.

      The best that you can do, is love and serve those who do not deserve it. When the door opens for a certain thing to be said, you will have the opportunity to say it.

      And pray.

      Pray for those that you love. And, you should love everyone. It’s hard to love so many people, but it gets easier with practice.

      I love all of my relatives. I love all of my students. I love all of my readers. I love everyone that I meet. (And, I REALLY love my wife.) Above all, I love God more than everyone and anything.

      Okay, now I’m getting a bit ‘mushy’, so I’ll stop there.

      You are in a difficult position, Donna, but you are the right woman for the job! May God bless you in all of that.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  8. This gives me much to ponder, since I listened to the Hagmanns faithfully for about 3 years, until they turned against Nathan Leal. I feel bad for the people who were greatly hurt financially by V and I feel bad for the people who still blindly follow these people. I haven’t had time to read all the supporting articles, but I will. I feel like a fool for believing the Hagmanns. I remember all the sensational information coming from “W” – and I ate it up at the time. It makes me wonder if we have been deceived intentionally by them for years and if their motivation is money. As always – thanks for your courage in reporting this and may the Lord protect you and Mrs. Little.

    • Dear Nancy, please don’t feel like a fool. Just learn from it, and walk on. Everything we experience is meant to teach us something.
      When we learn from it, that’s the main way (not the only way) that The Lord can make everything work for good. 🙂
      God bless you, and yours greatly in this new year.

  9. In their “Setting the Record Straight” response they do not clear up anything at all. You are right. It would have been better for them to tell us (the listeners) as soon as they new V and others were frauds. I could accept that people can be fooled. But, they can not take the stance that they are being persecuted for the gospel and expect people to believe them. I am very sad because I was an avid listener to Steve Quayle for many years.

  10. Wow! Lankford’s method of preaching is angry, condemning. and a few times demonstrates disdain toward women he refers to as ‘jezebel’. The same holy Spirit indwells all redeemed, and as ambassador commanded to correct error and call out those leading astray other saints. Ranting against a brother, who followed scripture and contacted privately urging apology be made to Nathan Leal, was unwise Mr. Lankford. Cunningly not mentioning Nathan’s name fooled no one, and engaging in unwarranted accusation spoke volumes. In light of 1 Tim 3:2 and Tts 1:7, perhaps Hodges should query God as nothing from John Little warranted such ranting.

    Wanton fleecing of the flock by V the imposter causes the Lord’s words to resonate, that in latter days love will wax cold and many among us are not of us. Christians are not to have fruits of lying, slander, and threat of litigation. For years, Crouch, Hinn, Dollar claimed a false narrative, “do not touch God’s anointed” it was lie then and remains so. Doug and Steve may have regret, but we are known for forgiveness an apology for not warning believers of V’s evil would do it.

    The enemy attempts to paint those who warn as divisive or, in league with darkness, but that is an attempt to silence ineffective with John Little. Likewise with me. Beloved brethren, herald the alarm because the hour is late and evil is waxing worse with many a deceiver among us.

    Thanks for the article, well done.

  11. I am so sorry for the pain you are feeling. I do not claim to be a bastion of discernment, and heaven knows I am wrong sometimes, but I never trusted Quayle. The sound of his voice was unbearable to my spirit, if that makes any sense. That, coupled with Marinka’s excellent, if long, articles, led me to walk away from H&H about a year and a half ago. I actually think I sent you those articles back in 2014…. I suppose many of us have watched you as you travelled down the road to this inevitable conclusion. I knew you would get here eventually because you are godly, intellectually honest and rigorous.

    I will pray for you, that you do not become discouraged. Also for protection from retribution.

    I have to remember to pray for these men, too: that they come to repentance. Lastly, fwiw, my sense was always that Joe had the best intentions of any of them….

    • Hi Kate,

      I am glad that you have such discernment. My memory isn’t that great, and never has been, so I only dimly remember those articles being sent to me. I didn’t discount them completely, but I didn’t have a clear enough picture in my mind, to understand them properly.

      Now, that I do, I can thank you properly for doing what you have done.

      God has placed each of us, in the Body of Christ, to fulfill important roles. The fact that you have been fulfilling yours so well, is awesome. Eventually, our roles will be passed on to others, but I pray that each of us fulfills our job to the best of the abilities that God has given us.

      God bless you, Kate. Keep up the good work!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • You nailed it in that last sentence. In any situation where there was a disagreement between Doug and Joe (speaking of years past), I always found myself in agreement with Joe.

  12. Wow!! This is as straight forward as it gets. It was, no doubt, difficult coming to the realization of who these men really are. The courage it takes to speak out is worthy of respect.

    It is frightening to think how deep this goes and who else is involved, but the truth no matter how shocking it is, will set you free.

    If I may also point out this one truth: God does not operate in the same space with fear, his M.O. is love. Fear is the antithesis of love. A few people have asked the question, “where do we get news from, if not from Steve Quayle and Co.?”

    If you take a moment and read the headlines of the stories posted for today on SQ.com, they are all scary, fear generating, stress causing stories. Fear and stress do not propel us into spiritual mindedness or acts of love and kindness. Fear causes hysteria and rash decisions. Take care to protect your heart and mind from those that would infect with fear.

    Proverbs 4:23

    Guard your heart above all else, for it determines the course of your life.

    Phillipians 4:8

    Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    • Hi T Worthy,

      Fear and love are an interesting dichotomy for those of us in the Body of Christ. We are called to have both, even though they seem to oppose one another.

      However, few people seem to understand that our existence in the Body of Christ is also a dichotomy. We have the ‘new man’ that was given us upon our acceptance of Christ. But, we still have the ‘old man’, that we must ‘crucify’. Our ‘old man’ does not understand that love of God, but it understands fear. Our ‘new man’ does not understand the fear of God, but it understands the Love of God.

      Our flesh fears God, because it needs to. If we feed it too much of the cares and desires of this world, it overcomes us. And, I believe that this is what has happened to Steve, Doug and David.

      Our ‘New Man’ cannot fear God, and it does not fear the events that are coming upon the world. Our Lord is returning, and the evil that comes before that return is worth it. The worst that they can do is kill us, and our new man rejoices at the thought of eternity.

      As for the ‘fear porn’ that many accuse Steve of peddling… well, I’m afraid that this is probably necessary. I’ve stopped paying attention to his site, since I don’t have the time for it, and I also know that there is some stuff on there that just isn’t factually correct. But, we DO need to know what is coming.

      Terrible things are coming, and we need to report the coming of these events so that the Body of Christ is prepared for what will happen.

      But, I understand your point, TW. We are not to let our hearts be troubled.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  13. Hello John: How do you know who to trust? I am amazed at the amount of deception within even people who claim to be such advocates for Christ. It seems like a hopeless mission to find untainted leadership or just information that is all truth. I pray for the kingdom of God to come soon to this earth, that people may no longer be deceived and live according to the Word of truth. Thank you for being honest and getting this information out. Your brother in Christ Nathan.

  14. I’m embarrassed to say a similar thing happened to me:

    “Barbara was NOT a financial expert. Barbara was retired. She was out of her depth. She was terrified. So, she took all of her money and threw it at Steve, only to see the value of her investment fall off of a cliff.”

    I, too, was terrified by everything I was hearing on H&H from “V”, David and Steve. They had me convinced the economic collapse was eminent so I pulled all my money from my pension plan (from a former company) and sent it to Steve – over $100,000 – to purchase gold & silver. I didn’t ask about pricing or fees and I just said send me whatever you think is best. Again, so embarrassed!

    I was so afraid I even sold my home and most of my belongings in an estate sale and moved in with my mother in a very rural area; essentially “bugging out.” (I believe we need to prepare but this was a bit extreme, much less premature.)

    SMH, I can’t believe I fell for all of it! I’m educated and have always been considered smart but, as a single (divorced) woman, I had no-one else to rely on for important financial decisions. That had been my ex-husbands department. I thought I could trust the advice of what I thought were good Christian men.

    Thank you for revealing what many of us had to learn the hard way.

    Please don’t publish my name. I’m profoundly embarrassed that I acted so foolishly and I certainly don’t want to receive any threats of litigation from any parties. I just want to move on.


    • Hi DB,

      There’s always a lot of soul searching that goes on in such circumstances. I’ve had way too much experience with the mental accusation, “Man, I can’t believe that I was so stupid!”

      In fact, that thought often occurs once a day, or more.

      The good thing is that God uses such ‘stupidity’ for His glory. Some of those ‘stupid decisions’ have led me to Taiwan and an awesome opportunity to do evangelism. (Not to mention, the beautiful Mrs. Little) I still need to pinch myself, in wonder that I’m not in some dream. It really is a bizarre thing.

      Also, remember that someone needs to be first. Someone needs to actually ‘prove’ the need to do these things, by actually doing it. Those who lead the way, will always be the ones who ‘jumped too quickly’. The Jews who left Europe first, felt this way until the first reports of the Holocaust came in.

      One day, you’ll be glad that you did all this. Mrs. Little and I did much the same thing. The rest of the world will think of us as having lost a lot in the deal. But, I don’t believe so.

      In the end, it may be that ‘Felonious V’ and Steve Quayle might have done us a service. It often works like that. God turns the evil that men do, into events that benefit the Body of Christ.

      Right now, I am more concerned for the souls of Steve, Doug and David. The price that they have paid, is beyond comprehension.

      Thank you, DB. You are far wiser than you realize. But, when you truly see this with your own eyes, it won’t make you happy. What is coming is truly horrendous, and it is the Bible that tells us this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • Been 4+ years, doubt if u will ever read this but investment in silver or gold is never foolish. So long as you don’t store it in a bank. I have some readily available in my house and some buried nearby. Pray for guidance each morning, most important ingredient of preparedness is learning to trust in our Almighty Creator and absolutely believing He will direct our steps.
      Shalom, Sugar

      • PS Silver may stay at $15-30 dollar range till I die but I think it will hit one thousand before I die, 500 for sure, may not though. Will come a time when no amount of federal reserve notes will get you an ounce of silver.

  15. Thank you for what you have researched and published. I normally take the world events info from these men and stick it in my “HMMM” box. Then I wait on the Lord to get confirmation, or clarification, or anything I need to take action on. I will weigh and sift through their blog news, to make sure I don’t get any metal filings in my baking mix… the cookies of information I give to others. May Lord Jesus bless you!

  16. John,
    Haven’t written before but have followed your work for a few years.
    Thanks for your insights in “Ezekiel’s Fire”.
    Thanks for your integrity.
    Thanks for not mixing business and the Lord’s work.
    Thanks for your courage.
    Thanks for your warnings.
    Thanks for your weekly news report.
    Thanks for your time.
    Bless you.
    Brad Glaze, Lyons, Oregon
    P.S. I deleted bookmarks to Steve Quayle’s website. I’m tired of the sensationalist hype and ratcheting world view levels.

  17. Willie Willott isn’t really a scam artist. Joe Hagmann mentioned he didn’t see W as a con-artist (unlike V whom he made a veiled reference to as a conman) when I asked him why V and W no longer appeared on the show. W does what any of the other alt-media commentators (like Zero-Hedge etc.) do. He has legitimate subject matter expertise and a lofty intellect. He combines his subject matter expertise and semi-critical thinking skills with speculations then cites the resulting ideas as “very probably true”. The audience’s fault is to interpret W’s statements of low-mid-high confidence as statements of unassailable objective fact.

    W’s presence is bothersome to me in the sense that Doug Hagmann overplayed Willott’s credentials as being akin to a “real James Bond”. It is also bothersome in the way that it leads to false accusations of dirty deeds like pedophilia against Podesta and many others based on very loose standards of evidence. Likewise, there are commonly accusations that rich or powerful people like Bill Gates have a genocidal agenda because they fund or support vaccine research and distribution.

    • Hi tomb,

      What you say might be correct. Association with someone like ‘V’ will ALWAYS lead to a tarnishing of your reputation. However, Wayne Willot, at the very least, did not stop the dishonesty that he should have seen. He needs to come forward with his own story. Or, at the very least, he needs to step back from his work with them.

      But, it is true that we always need to be careful about conferring ‘guilt by association’. Always seek for proof.

      Some proof will be hard to discover, such as whether Podesta really is a pedophile. We may never know for certain, but I’ve seen too much not to believe otherwise. I will never understand why child rapists are so close to the centers of power, and I do not want to understand.

      The fact that they ARE at the centers of power, is beyond controversy. We have too much evidence of child rape gangs in Washington D.C. We’ve seen more than the smoke. We’ve seen the actual fire. And, the authorities have done nothing.

      As for the ‘genocidal agenda’ of Bill Gates, that is a little more open to interpretation. We know that he actively searches for ways to reduce the population on Earth. So why does a guy who wants to REDUCE the population on Earth, push vaccines that are supposedly there to prolong life – which is the antithesis of population reduction??

      Always look for such discrepancies, tomb. That’s the starting point for looking at real motives and intentions.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John, I don’t doubt that power, corruption, and sexual immorality are tightly connected. I would simply say that just because the behavior is common, doesn’t warrant making accusations against people that may be genuine brothers and sisters in Christ. The best evidence implicating Podesta is a) coded speech and b) two police sketches of men not even known to be associated with the disappearance of Maddie Mccann.

        If you follow Gates’ work closely, you’ll note that despite his wealth and power he dedicates his life to informing himself about matters for uplifting the poor. The population reduction agenda is obviously not Malthusian but in reference to improving individual quality of life so that people are not forced to rely on many children to serve as their caretakers later in life. Fewer people means less poverty. Also note the strong evidence that vaccines have [probably] nearly eradicated diseases that have traditionally ravaged the poorest communities on earth.

        Thanks for reminding me that W is complicit in the V fraud. In retrospect, I’m reminded of the “secret code” V and W shared by combining their exclusive expertise (on in intelligence the other in finance) that let the PM markets “talk” to W and V.

  18. The truth is coming out. A sister in the Lord and myself have been praying regarding Quayle and Hagmann. They are Jesuit infiltrators states the Holy Ghost with fire!! THE HOLY GHOST HAS TOLD US these 2 are infiltrators from the devil’s Jesuit army. Yes He does tell us that. We continue to pray for the body of Christ to awaken in the mighty name of Jesus.

    God bless you!

  19. Dear John,

    Thank you once again for your courage to defend the Body of Christ. I remember when “H & H” were new on the broadcasting scene. It was not their talent that made them great or popular rather their guest’s like Steve, V, David and others. In fact I was donating $100/month to H & H for about a year. I also made several donations to David and yes made several purchases from Steve. I also subscribed to V’s website as well as ordered thousands of dollars from Dr. Ted.

    All I wanted to do was believe they were right and get behind them. As most of us learn in our walk with Christ, seeing what goes on behind some “Christian” closed doors can be disheartening.

    Thanks again John for another valuable life lesson.

  20. Hi John, it has taken me many hours to fully investigate and read the links provided to back up your story. My first take away and words that I want to convey to you personally is how sorry that I am for the way that you were spoken to by David Lankford. His accusations, name calling and bible thumping are hard to read and extremely biblical way for anyone to talk to another person, much less a fellow brother in Christ. It is okay to disagree with each other but to use that ugly language and hate to brutalize another is of Satan.

    I hope that no one will comment on here without doing the full research as I have done to see all sides of the story. I consider myself an intelligent, logical and thoughtful person, a Senior engineer that also has a degree in Psychology.

    For many years, me and my family have listened to Doug Haggman and Joe because of their guests. When Steve Quayle appears on the air, we turn the button off. I say we listen to them for their guests and when they have no guests we listen to them for entertainment value. It has always been comical to hear Doug stutter and say sentences that make almost no sense, and Joe to talk just to be heard. I say that not to insult them, but to make a point. While I see that Doug has much law enforcement background, he does not qualify as a higher thinker and sees the mistakes that he makes as excusable. Like using the NSA FOIA number thinking that they had a file on him. He makes mistakes like this all the time so if he conveys false information that grows with the retelling, I would anticipate that he considers this exaggeration instead of deceit. It is in fact deceit. He is no match in a war of words with a journalist like Marinka who obviously can type very fast and can use words as tools and weapons of mass destruction.

    It is kinda strange, but in life I notice that people who cannot type well, do not engage in online wars and emails and long written discussions with others. It is just too tedious.

    Steve Quayle, just from looking at his correspondence with you and others it exposes him as also not a very good communicator. Typing in all caps, making errors in his words and obviously not rereading what he has written before sending is all very amateurish. The minute I read and email from another Christian which quotes scripture to justify their preaching to me, I just tune out. It feels like hitting me over the head with a bible to make me learn truth. It does not work and does little to make the one being hit to consider your points.

    Once the lying of a member of our Christian body is exposed, one must first ask for an explanation of that person to correct your thinking if it is incorrect, which you have done with both steve and doug. Then to pass along what you know to others who might be hurt or deceived by them, which you have done. And then to disassociate yourself with all those that you have found in error. Which hopefully your readers will discontinue support of Doug and Steve and their programs.

    Marinka, who may have many valid points and did in fact stumble onto some bad stuff, is at fault in the way that she has gone about reacting. Her articles make too many character judgements on the ones that she is exposing and it takes too long getting thru that chatter to follow the truth that she is conveying. It seems that her agenda is not relaying the truth that she has encountered but she seems personally hurt by all this which really was not directed towards her. It hurts anyone to be lied to but it is best to never trust that person again and be gone, instead of trying to exact revenge for the pain and put yourself in danger of the sin that you are exposing in them.

    The email that you received from Steve, I would not have taken as a threat. However, posting in all caps and not being very eloquently written, it is easy to interpret it as so. When I go about doing something, I examine the consequences, make sure it is with a pure heart and not going against Christian principles and then i proceed. Any threat from others or fear of failure I completely disavow. What I do and the consequences is in the loving hands of my father whom will exact more rebuke if I am wrong than any man can do to me on earth. So I guess my response to Steve’s threat would have have been that there is nothing that he could do to me without God’s allowing it and if it was a bad thing, God would only allow it if it could be used to help me in some way. So bring it on, brother!

    I guess my opinion is mine alone but you take so much time to research and expose the things that you do, I feel as if we are friends and if I respond in silence after reading your article, that would not be encouraging you as I desire to do to all who work to further truth and God’s kingdom. Be at peace and accept my sister love in Christ.

    • Hi Kimberly,

      I try not to use the word, ‘wow’, so often. But, I’m forced to, yet again. There’s a lot of ‘wow-ness’ in your comment.

      You have really looked at this with the kind of carefulness that is a blessing to read. Not everyone can do that, and this is something that God has given you for His purposes and glory. Those who do not have this gift have a different purpose in the Body of Christ.

      So, when I exclaim over your ability, I do not mean to denigrate anyone else.

      But, seriously. Wow.

      Well done.

      It really gives me a great deal of relief to see such thoughtfulness. It means that my own failures will be less damaging, and when I can no longer do this, you will be there to pick up, where I leave off. And, there are several that I have said this to, and I mean every word.

      The Body of Christ is a ‘group effort’, and you are truly playing your part. Well done, sister.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • I’ve seen many of Kimberly’s posts on the John Wells forums. All of her comments carry the same “wow” factor.

        All the same, I do sense that people like you, Beckman, Ervna, and Pecshmann do, at times, see threats more though paranoia or personal dislike for Quayle than the actual comments warrant.

        • Hi tomb,

          I wish that it was paranoia. There’s medication for that. Unfortunately, the Bible is very clear about the time that we live in. Furthermore, I KNOW the implications about what is going on in the Middle East and North Africa, right now.

          I wish that I didn’t.

          And don’t get me started on the financial situation of the World.

          As I sit here, I just cannot see a way out, that does not include death and destruction on a massive scale. Maybe I’m just not smart enough, but I’m certainly not paranoid.

          As for ill will toward Steve and Doug, nothing could be further from the truth. It took a lot of incontrovertible evidence for me to write what I did, and I haven’t included everything that I have received.

          Please read your Bible, tomb. We REALLY ARE in the Last Days.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

        • Thanks for the compliment, Tomb, but I am John Little’s Kimberly and not John Wells. But all Kimberly’s are amazingly brilliant. From now on I will be Kimberly S. for John Little! And if I can figure out how to include my photo.
          God bless you all!

    • Much in agreement with your comments about SQ …….. I think he has an old computer that is just locked into caps and he hasn’t quite learned how to reset the keyboard ……. kinda makes sense , or is it that he just is TOO immature to realize there IS etiquette in writing …. One should never feel a threat from ole SQ , that is just SQ ….he knows no other way and probably does not realize a NEED to refine.
      I sent him a gentle note on an improvement and got the same tone back in response…..ALL in caps, and the “threat” to delete me from his files ……. Well, I was disappointed that he did NOT carry through his threat. I deleted him instead, just didn’t want his creepy site near my computer ….hmmmmm

  21. Dear John,
    Nathan and I have communicated with Barbara also. She is dear sister in Christ, who tells it as she sees it. I enjoy that about her.

    Having been in this ministry for for over 8 years, I have dealt with people who have mental issues (many type in all caps…) I can attest to Barbara being of sound mind in all of her communications with Nathan and I.

    As to everything else…sitting here…my response is WOW…just WOW.

    You opened up some truth that needed to be opened.

    Keep up the good fight.

    In JESUS,
    Donna A. Leal
    Watchman’s Cry Ministries

  22. Oh, and for the poster who was complaining about the captcha, he is likely using safari or an incompatible web browser. As good as the internet may look, each browser has its own idiosyncrasies and faults. Ex-web designer. forgot to mention :0)

  23. Threat of lawsuit? The FIRST thing came to mind.
    1Cor 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against his neighbor, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?
    5 I say [this] to move you to shame. What, cannot there be [found] among you one wise man who shall be able to decide between his brethren,
    but brother goes to law with brother, and in front of unbelievers?
    7 No, already it is completely a defect in you that you have lawsuits one with another. Why not rather take wrong? why not rather be defrauded?

  24. Hello John;
    I’ve been reading and listening to OmegaShock for several years an led other’s into this ‘habit’. We kinda miss the days when your weekend shockcast was available as an audio file. Great for listening while on the go. But I still reserve time every Saturday to read your articles in their entirety. It’s my necessary dose of reality each week, and I thank you. Please don’t stop.

    As so many others, I used to be a big financial supporter of Hagmann. But I stopped when his rants began to be tainted by cursing. I am a believer that what’s in your heart will come out of your mouth. I’ve never heard that kind of language from Quayle, but I have from Greg Hunter (whose first move before starting his web presence was to hire an ‘advisor’ to polish his Christian image- his own words) and John B Wells, usually when they are being interviewed by non Christians.

    Anyway, since you cite the RevelationNow website often as asource, I’m curious about your take on Doug Hagmann’s research into Michael Erevna aka Kirk McLeod.

    Regarding Nathan Leal- I generally agree with your assessment, and also not comfortable with Dave Hodges due to his continuing promotion of Ted Broer

    Oh, and when David Lankford was going to appear on Hagmann I would always skip that episode after hearing him viciously belittle anyone eating Kosher. Really quite nasty.

    After all this revealing of the truth, I’m beginning to rely more than ever on that ‘check in my spirit’.

    Finally, I find your lack of advertising and ‘Donate Here’ buttons a refreshing sign of a pure motive on your part.

    Thanks for your faithfulness.

    • Hi William McClurg,

      Thank you for your high praise. I kinda wish for those days when I could do ‘The Weekend Shockcast’. I hope that I can do something like that again. I’m far more comfortable with just writing, but I know that some people prefer to listen. And, I understand that.

      As for Michael Erevna, after posting those links to his articles, he did reach out to me. I know that he is Kirk McLeod, but since he prefers Michael Erevna… I shall call him that.

      He seems to be telling the truth as he sees it. But, I’m not ready to agree with his conclusions. This doesn’t mean that he’s wrong. But, I’m not ready to leap in that direction. I’m doing my best to hold onto my sense of perspective, even though I’m probably not objective enough for that, right now.

      I think that Kimberly’s assessment points out correctly that I need to pull back a little bit.

      I believe that Doug Hagmann’s ‘report’ on Michael Erevna was carefully worded slander. Doug was attempting to protect himself at the expense of Michael.

      I’m sure that M.E. has his faults, but I’m not ready to delve into those. I don’t see how the Body of Christ has been damaged by M.E. I certainly would have had nothing to say about Steve or Doug, were it not for the damage done by Viji Varghese.

      I’ve been wracking my head for the verse that illustrates what I’ve been trying to do here, and – for some reason – your comment jarred it loose from its hiding place:

      And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

      – Ephesians 5:11

      THAT is what I am trying do here.

      Some of us are in a better position to do this, and this reproof of these works of darkness, was mine to do.

      Thank you, William. Keep listening to the Holy Spirit!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  25. Mr Little,I find your article on Doug Hagmann and Mr Quayle very honest and unbiased. I was a listener of H&H for many years and I did look forward to Mr Quayle and David Lankford as guests but recently the Lord has led me away from the Hagmann Report, I didn’t know why I lost interest in it so suddenly,but now I do know why. Thank you for bringing this out in the light. And also this is a lesson on why we should never put our faith in men,our faith is for Jesus Christ alone. In his service, Marian

  26. John,

    WOW! What a battle! Besides David Lankford, you failed to mention “Dr.” Ted Broer and Dave Hodges, among others.

    Have you stopped to ask yourself why this is happening? I do not know, but the whole conflagration is troubling.

    God help us!

    Randy Tanner
    Irving, Texas

    • Hi Randy Tanner,

      Ted and Dave were a little bit to the side of this discussion, but only a little. I was pretty exhausted, just writing what I wrote, including ‘Dr. Ted’ would have been too much for me to do. Also, I believe that others have dealt with this more capably than myself. I don’t really have the understanding of the occult. Those with more wisdom in this area should be the ones to deal with this. (And, they have.)

      Dave Hodges is a somewhat different player in this. I stopped listening to him a while ago, so I’m not sure if any opinion that I have is relevant. But, it appears to me that he is in the same position as myself – brutally woken up to current events, and determined to say something about it.

      Not having heard Dave recently, I can’t say whether he is telling us lies. However, his support for Ted Broer was/is just plain wrong. Dave should NOT be supportive of Ted, and he will answer to God for that support.

      The wolves are creeping in among us, and they have been devouring the flock. This has always been the case, and the dire condition of the world makes our need to be watchful, ever more necessary.

      I am sorry for any troubled feelings. But, the battle between God and Satan is reaching the conclusion. There is worse to come, but the ending will be worth it.

      Thank you, Randy.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  27. Hey John:

    Is the Kingdom in the land of Oz?

    After listening to Lankford’s tirade about your reference to lying in the millennium I can only conclude that it is. Why do I think that you might ask? Because Lankford seems to have veered off of the “strait and narrow way” and onto the “yellow brick road” and is now walking with a “Straw Man”. I won’t be surprised if flying monkeys show up next. Wonder if SQ’s written a book about them yet?

    • Oh, the ‘flying monkeys’. I forgot about those. As for my point about ‘lying in the Millennium’, it is only my speculation. Somehow, honesty and truth seems to be the ‘rule of the day’ in the Millennium, at least until Satan is released. Thank you, Herb. – JL

  28. I cannot understand christians taking each other to court.

    What does the Word say?

    I Corinthians 6 :1-8

    Doesn’t the Bible tell us to accept wrong or let ourselves be cheated rather than go to law with each other especially before unbelievers?????

  29. I’m in shock! Where is the love for the brethren? I agree John, all three need to get on their knees, repent and seek out every single person individually they sinned against, including you! I wonder where Joe sits with all of this? I will be praying over this mess and also for you as well John. I think this is another sign we are at the very end of the age. I see so much bickering between Christians on-line. It reminds me of the verse Matt 24:12 that states “And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold”.

  30. John,

    I shouldn’t be surprised by what you’ve exposed here, based on what was revealed last year to do with Nathan and the conference. But I am sickened and really ticked off that all these “christians” would attack, blackmail, lie, and concoct stories about a fellow believer to protect their own reputations and pocketbooks!

    Seeing David Lankford using Scripture to attack and try and shame you for what you’ve written, is about as unloving as one can be. Reading his vicious words to you shows he’s not changed since attacking Nathan last year.

    I really feel for Barbara…as I said in another post, I took their warnings very seriously! Steve recieved a lot of business from me, and now I feel like a moron for not seeing that V. was a scammer. I also lost big on my investment. Doug and Joe always said to trust them. Big mistake!! Only God knows what will happen to me in the near future for not acting more responsibly with my money.

    It’s possible they may have a much larger lawsuit to deal with when all their listeners see the truth…

    • Hi Angel,

      I know how you feel. But, in the same vein as my response to another commenter (which you could not have seen when you wrote this), God will use those ‘mistakes’ for His glory. He certainly has used mine, and He will use yours.

      The main thing is that you trust God. He’ll see you through everything that will happen.

      As for lawsuits, I hope that no one sues them. Really. God will handle the sins that they have committed.

      We just need to be careful to not be dragged into the anger and bitterness that Satan wants us to feel. And, I’m preaching to myself, here.

      Thank you, Angel. Great comment, as always.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  31. Dear brother John, I am heartbroken at all you have endured and I am praying for you. Thank you for doing the hard things. The Lord sees and defends.

    • Some of this is a lot easier for me to do, than for someone else. So, I’m glad that I’m the one to ‘stand in the gap’. Hopefully, it will be someone else’s turn, next time. Thank you so much for your concern, Tess. It truly warms my heart. – JL

  32. Thank you for writing this.

    I have been wanting to write to the Hagmanns for several months now and say to them: ” Wow, how far you have fallen”

    Anyone who is a follower of Christ and a born again new creation in Jesus Christ can see the writing on the wall regarding Steve Quayle and the Hagmanns, plus most of their guest. It’s very sad and horrid!

    I can’t even write anymore, it is too grueling and I quite frankly don’t have the strength for it.

    In Jesus,

  33. John,

    Always have loved your articles, this one is by far the best one. Good on you for calling for the above to repent and in my opinion, they need to come clean. Steve helped ignite a flame in me to seek God and research. Very sad to see this stuff is going on and I really hope these guys repent and publicly apologize to everyone.

    God Bless you and keep fighting the good fight.


  34. Brother John,

    Thank you and God bless you for exposing this evil. I quit having anything to do with Steve and crew a couple years ago due to his bad language (and as an ex-sailor, I used to be rough around the edges myself, but not after coming to Jesus). I was really dismayed and sick at heart when he and David blasphemed the Holy Spirit in eviscerating Nathan and claiming it was the Holy Spirit’s doing (and I could only stomach the first hour of that abomination of a show). That my friend is, according to the Bible and words of Jesus himself, an unpardonable sin (Mat 12:31).

    Anyway, I had this observation from David’s 2nd email:
    “Even Revelation chapter 28”

    Really? From someone who claims to be a “Pastor”? My Bible ends at Revelation 22:21 (KJV and 1587 Geneva both).

    Sorry, but I find Lankford’s hubris and arrogance to be stomach turning and have for years. Like Steve, and Doug, he won’t accept any questions or correction.

    One other observation I have: Steve and David are acting like cornered rats in lashing out at anyone who dares to question them or hold them accountable. Please be careful as cornered rats CAN cause injury.

    My wife and I truly appreciate and love your work and your service to the Body of Christ.

    Good work and God Bless you and Mrs. Little

  35. John, I can’t thank you enough for exposing the unholy squad as I call H&H, SQ Lankford, Hodges and Broer. (though much more needs to come out about the last two -including fake vitimins from Broer – which I can attest to) If it hadn’t been for you with the first one about what they did to Nathan Leal, I wouldn’t have known what was going on as only inuendos were coming from H&H, Sq with no real facts. I wanted so much to send emails to that crew and did not out of respect of your request we don’t. Now this. I had learned a lot on the other day on “Tracking the Leopard of Meroz” (from Feb. 28, 2016) on Barbara and that mess and a lot more. though I don’t agree on everything she says on Dizdar and Marzulli) Then this expose came out. Thank you again for telling the truth. God has said the truth will be made known and I think this is exactly what is going on as more and more truth is being revealed about this unholy squad. God bless you John and know you are being prayed for. (for protection and blessings) Much more I could say, but I think you already know.

    • Hi Jane,

      Your comment somehow got snagged by the spam filter. Sorry about that.

      Those fake vitamins from Broer… were you able to get your money back?

      Fake vitamins and a fake theology… I guess they go together.

      My hope is that these people become so exposed that only the fake Christians will pay attention to them.

      Thank you, Jane. I’m glad that you aren’t one of the fakes.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  36. Hi John!
    Thanks for this update. Wow!
    As to the situation with Doug and Steve, the only thing I think I can offer that motivates them in their actions may be their sponsors. You have probably already considered this, but when your operation is financed by the good graces of some corporate interest…
    Of course, it is their own name on the brand and their reputation on the line, so final call should be their own.
    As to David, I tried listening to him, but for some reason he rubbed me the wrong way. Guess I know why now, thanks for that. Such a Godly tirade (heavy sarcasm!)

    In the matters of finance, I know I don’t know much. So I tend to stay away from investing. Buying a piece of paper that says I own so much gold or silver never made much sense to me. I would rather have the gold in my hand, but with deliveries reportedly behind schedule, they don’t have my trust. If I had some extra cash, (with a wife and three kids usually there isn’t any!) I would buy farm land. That way, you could grow your own food. Guess I think more like a farmer than a financier!
    Hope this note finds you and yours well!

  37. Dear John,

    Below is a link to about 18 hours of teaching entitled “Mercy Over Judgement” by Keith and Phylis Moore. I have listened to about 11 hours of it and have found it beneficial to my relationship with our Heavenly Father. I look forward to listening to the rest of it. By saying this, I’m not saying that I think that the Moores are right about everything, but I thought that it might be a blessing to you. The teaching is free.


    I have been reading your letter for over a year now. Thank you for all of the effort that you have put into them!

  38. God bless you for your courage Brother John.

    Thank you for confirming what I already knew about these wolves in tailored sheepskin.


    your brother in Christ,

  39. Well, sorry, John, but enough is enough. It is like you are in first grade. Anyone who does not succumb with a response to you that you deem appropriate (complete submission to your opinion) is vilified and slandered. I first saw this last year with the Nathan Leal incident. And now I see no indications of threat from Steve Quayle but only a brother trying to be honest with another brother about true and potential consequences of an action. Steve politely asked you to hold but you could not give him that benefit. Shame on you!!!

    I agree with Pastor David Lankford. I also find you to be self-righteous and judgemental, although I do not agree with all the name-calling. But I have finally seen enough of you and will be unsubscribing after over 2 years.


  40. Well, your above explains this in Steve Quayle’s alert section (which I suspected was related to something you wrote):



    I noticed that Steve holds his leading people to salvation as a shield from any attacks. Sigh…..Does it not also say in the Bible that people can be led to Christ even by those who are false representatives?

  41. This is incredibly disturbing to see this occurring in the Body of Christ. It saddens me that this is occurring because it diverts our attention from God’s Return & preparing for spiritual battles on the horizon.

    “V” was also a source, I believe, for Jim Willie.

    I expect deception, lies & fraud will continue to grow exponentially in the days ahead.

    Thank you for sharing.

    Your Sister in Christ

  42. John, you are right that the spirit of God will help us in our discerning. I’m soooo grateful to you for being honest and with great courage to shine the light where it needed to shine. I too, was disturbed after reading ALL of the sites and words you wrote. It seems to me that an honest explanation and “coming clean” instead of covering up and making excuses is due to listeners from Steve Quail and Hagman. I sent a very nice e-mail to both asking for their explanation as to how the vetting occurred and wanting an explanation relative to why they blasted Neil. I got back a very cryptic and unchristian (self righteous) message from S.Q. and was told never to listen to him again. Unfortunately, my husband, has been listening to S.Q. lately and finds him interesting and since I’ve been witnessing to him about the errors of new age, I was horrified to listen just ONE WEEK AGO to the Dr. about his research about our bodies being energy and our cells needing to be regenerated by using his products. Much of what he was saying about our thoughts produce the world we live in in this holographic universe, I was startled and hoped that my husband had not heard this guy on a Christian web site I recommended. One of the responses I received from S.Q. after his cryptic reply to me, I responded with love and told him I’d always be praying for him in spite of being accused of bad character to ask him for an explanation, he responded with Neil wanting to have double the speaking time at the conference and when he didn’t get his way, he pulled out of conference. He also said he, S.Q. had tried to talk to him privately, but he wouldn’t…..I only wanted an explanation about V and why they crucified a fellow minister in the Lord, and he said I was listening to gossip and spreading lies. Well, I’m sooooo disappointed, but warned how very careful we must be. For those who are not rooted and grounded in the word, it is sooooooo easy to be side tracked, deceived and made to follow another gospel. I want you to know that I hear your heart and like the disciples of old and the many witnesses who have, through the years, been terrorized, persecuted and even become martyrs, we can never, ever, ever compromise our faith. I believe that we are all going through a real testing now to see who our God really is, do we have ANY idols in our lives…..This requires taking a stand for truth and righteousness and you did the right thing.
    I too, pray that The Lord will be glorified through all of this as the scripture says, “What the enemy meant for evil, God can turn and make it good.”
    Please continue to walk and listen to the spirit and thank you for responding to The Lord to be on the path He has called you to be on. Below, is copy of my e-mails to S.Q. if you need them. God bless you and keep you!
    Steve….I think you need to go on Hagman and Hagman show and the two of
    you explain why you did not vet the iimposter “V” before introducing him to
    the audience as an expert and with faulty credentials.
    The way you blasted another Christian the other day on the show when he was
    truly pointing out the Ted Broer is a fake and I’ve heard him several times
    using new age terms (I’ve introduced my husband who is new ager to your
    broadcasts in hopes that he would leave New Age, and now, I see you and
    Hagman defend him) and hurt fellow Christian only trying to get truth out.
    Please, explain! You now have no credibility with my husband since you
    obviscated facts about supposed expert in finances and knew and then didn’t
    come right out and share how you guys were duped…..Now, what???
    Answer from S.Q…..
    my response:
    I’ll continue to always pray for you! People just need to hear what happened to begin with and why you guys would blast a fellow Christian on air who was outing the nutritionist and his REAL new age propaganda….

    • Hi Susan,

      I am grateful that you have done all that. You really exemplify the path that a true follower of Christ should walk. You have done well, and I pray that your husband sees the truth of God in your witness.

      In fact, it is the blasphemy – the damage to God’s reputation – that concerns me most of all.

      But, I also know that God will see your husband through this rocky moment. But, Steve will suffer for the damage that he has done, and I do not wish him to go through all that.

      Keep up the good work, Susan. May God bless you and keep you, in the days ahead.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  43. Wow. Its all very sickening. I have had many moments when listening to Quayle and the Hagmann’s that something wasn’t right. The love of money is the root of all evil.

  44. Hi John, I looked for a private email link but couldn’t find one, so I’m leaving a message here. And by the way, I suspect that there are no comments here because your link in the newsletter takes us to a different article.


    Thank you for your time. RN

    • Hi RN,

      Thank you for the points that you raised in the personal part of the comment. I always tread carefully. I still make false steps, no matter how careful I am, but I’ve received enough private confirmation to feel like I’ve walked through the mine field without blowing my feet off.

      By the way, I can always be reached here:

      john at omegashock dot com

      When I get too much email, I can’t respond to it all, but I do read it.

      Thank you, RN, for your input. I appreciate it.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  45. Dear John, thank you again for exposing the darkness. My heart is so saddened that good Christians are being duped still by these false Christians. Fool me once shame on them, fool me twice shame on me. People need to take this information and know the signs of the anti spirit of deception. Quit putting these people on pedestals and keep your eyes upon Jesus Christ. I have stopped listening to so many radio broadcasts and took up my bible instead (which I should have been doing). Many of the preachers are preaching to sow a seed and God will prosper your life. I have never read in my bible that Our Father is a fairy god-mother granting wealth, wishes and all our worldly desires. The Holy Spirit stirs in my being to stay away from these wolves.

    Also, a few preachers I do follow are being attacked spiritually so bad, one preacher was doubting his faith. Found out these so called prophets that attached themselves to his ministry were practicing witch-craft and cursing him. It is getting very bad out there, the likes I haven’t seen in all my 65 years. I will continue to pray for you and your wife to be protected and gain knowledge to expose these charlatans. The sheep need a good shepherd!

  46. John Little,

    I love your weekly news letter. I always patiently wait for your next one. I am a brother in Christ and you seem to be mosty spot on.

    One thing I tire of is reading about Gog and Magog. Like anybody really understands those two words, but they sound good because they come from the Bible. But I think (and yes, I can be wrong…,duh?) that Gog and Magog is an expression John wrote and described as being the ‘four corners of the earth’ that wars with Israel and that’s at the end of the millennium, over a thousand years from now. So why is everybody telling us the Gog and Magog war is around the corner? It isn’t, It’s a long way off and it’s not a war either. The Lord steps in and wipes out all the armies of the world and that’s the end. It’s a slaughter not a war.

    The Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann thing…
    Wow. This thing sucks! How did you get yourself sucked into this mess? Mrs. Little is probably a little more than pissed off at you. I listened to Steve Quayle for years and actually bought a book or two from him. But then I got tired of him.

    Steve will always start an interview with good information. Then he regresses a bit and says God told him to do this and that. Then he’ll tell us he’s brought thousands of people to God. Then he’ll tell us a general walked into his office and told him that when the New World Order takes over, he’ll be the first one taken to a FEMA camp and done away with. Then he shows how thinned skinned he really is and tells us about how people (like who?) tell him he’s nuts and he’s a Jesus freak and this and that and waa waa waa. And yes, I’ve heard him say the waa waa waa. I think his skin is thinner than Rush Limbaugh’s. That’s Steve Quayle, every time with every interview. He starts with good information and ends up crying about what people say of him. None of us out here in internet-radio land knows anything about what people say of him but he’s always crying about it.

    As for Doug Hagmann, eh….I always thought he was a stand up guy but who knows. Maybe not. I don’t know, I don’t listen to him enough.

    As for this Pastor David Lankford who texted the nasty stuff to you…..
    Wow. I never send more than 10 words in a text. Can you imagine pumping out those long messages with two thumbs on a tiny keyboard on a cell phone? He deserves an award for the two fastest thumbs in the west. If I was a guy who hated you I could have said the same thing with 10 – four and five letter words. Ignore him…

    All in all though, as I read through your letter on this ‘V’ thing and everything that is going on, if I were to give you any advice I’d say, “GET OUT OF IT, RUN BACKWARDS REAL FAST AND STAY AWAY!!!!!!” If you’re not implicated then don’t get yourself that way.

    One more point…,
    Don’t you love it when “brothers in Christ quote scripture to each other when chewing each other out?” It’s almost like, “My scripture is better than yours!” Or, it’s like two Christian sports teams praying before the game and asking God to help them to win.

    So, I dunno. ‘V’ was a scam artist, people got ripped off and people who knew V was a scam artist kept advertising him apparently. I’m sorry for the gal who you spoke of who got ripped off. V took Steve and Doug for a ride and it looks like they’re personally humiliated but don’t want to admit it. If everybody would just leave scripture out of it and ‘how close we are all to Christ’ and just discuss this thing like intelligent and mature human beings we’d all get closer to justice. But this squabbling back and forth quoting scripture (like firing cannon balls at each other) is just making the guilty look dummer and the good guys look gooder (bad on me).

    As for me, I’m nobody. I’m a 64 year old man, a retired communications technician, veteran of the NAVY (Never Again Volunteer Yourself) and avid scuba diver, married to a Russian lady (who’s smarter than I’ll ever be), two dogs and two cats and a Christian.

    By the way, The ‘fake’ Chinese food in Phoenix/Scottsdale is probably better than the real Chinese food you’re complaining about in Taiwan.

    You and Mrs. Little take care,

    Scottsdale, Az.

    • Hi RC,

      When you said that you agreed with me… but only mostly …I smiled. Well done. NO ONE should agree with me completely. Always double check.

      I think that I understand your point about Gog and Magog. The one in Revelation.

      However, have you considered the possibility that there are TWO?

      I know that this might seem strange to you, but I believe that the evidence speaks for itself. Read Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 and 39 together in one sitting. Ezekiel 36 is the most general. 37 is more specific. 38 is even MORE specific. And, 39 is the MOST specific.

      Unfortunately, I think that you’ll get a chance to see Gog and Magog happen. That’s why I wrote Ezekiel’s Fire. Download the PDF or just go to the site. It’s all there. Free.

      After this is over, we can compare notes over who got what right. But, I see the alliance of Gog and Magog forming. And, a lot of people are going to die.

      And, I wholeheartedly agree with your point about Chinese food. Think of me, and my ‘suffering’, the next time you have some.

      May God bless you, your Russian lady and the people-of-fur who live with you, RC. I enjoyed your comment. Keep up the good work.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  47. Wow, just WOW!
    I had no idea all this had taken place. It took me all of the day to read every article and link. (Stuck, snowed in) My heart is breaking. Really.
    Around 2009 I had time to explore the internet. I logged on for business and business only and then off. I know sounds kinda weird but it’s the truth. One son works for Microsoft the other son took computer sciences in college. I was the last to hop on the information highway. I think I found a youtube Steve Quayle. I was fascinated as no one had ever touched me the way he had. He led me back to the Lord. Soon Hagmann and Hagmann appeared and I listened every night. If Steve was the guest I was really happy. Nathan Leal was another favorite. You knew in your spirit the truth when hearing Nathan. Did that make sense? Nathan’s research was awesome. I found you there! You were a guest and I just loved what you said. I signed up for e-mail alerts that night.
    Your report was spot on, I listened to that Ted Broers broadcast and FREAKED out! It was almost over but I turned it off. THAT WAS NEW AGE CRAP! And NO one was calling him on it! Doug Hagmann was agreeing with him??? That was most shocking. I felt it then. The article you wrote was eye opening Nathan went to Ted and wanted to talk about it…..The attack on Nathan was short of physical suicide, in my opinion. That was a death blow to the “ministry”? Yes, I went back to listen to Steve, Doug and Pastor Langford. I thought they would for sure back Nathan, but, alas, didn’t happen. Instead I heard a defense and scripture used like a weapon. So, today I wasn’t surprised by the return e-mails Marinka Peschmann received. Well, at first I was. Prideful comes to mind. Like, I know the Lord better than you thing. She’s an excellent writer. She didn’t embellish and stuck to the facts.
    She’s right, a gentle nudge works better than “fear porn” and I did take it to the Lord and realized a lot more “Revelations” had to come to pass before Christ return. Am I ready. Trying, everyday. Nathans article(s) on Trump are truly good. When they say peace, sudden destruction will be upon us. OUCH. Keeps going though my head.
    I am thankful for you and others John, I let myself over look these things I knew they didn’t set right in my spirit. I listen to Paul McGuire everyday. I saw him listed as a cabal member, I don’t think so. He speaks in a far different tone than Steve, Doug do. He calls it out (RE:Marinka Peschmann last article on Hagmann) Well, he has blessed me in many ways as your Omega Shock articles have. I am grateful.
    When your hungry to hear the word of God, I guess you have to learn spicy stuff will burn you. Bless you John for the truth. I love it!

  48. Wow John, you’ve written about some whoppers in the past but this one…
    10 years ago I cancelled my cable and shut off the TV. Now it must be time to shut off the alt media also. The truth isn’t knowable.

  49. Thank you for this info. If there’s any one thing I’ve learned in the 25 years or so that I’ve been trying to figure out what is really going on is that there is a lot more bad information than there is good information.

    I appreciate the fact that you have a deep respect for the truth, even when it isn’t what I want to hear.

    Keep up the good work!

    Yours in Christ, David Wright

    • YES! That is an important point that I do not make enough. There is more ‘False Truth’ out there, than there is ‘True Truth’. And, only the Holy Spirit and the Bible can guide you in figuring out which is which. And, I get things wrong, too. So, you can’t depend on me, either. Keep up the good work, David. – JL

  50. Hi John,
    Thanks so much for what you are called to do. god bless and keep you and Mrs. Little.

    Reading all the comments, they are very sobering in these very serious times.

    Once again before I came here and read the comments I was at Jeremiah 19- 20 this morning and it was beyond sobering, very painful.


    Jeremiah was just released from one of many punishments he was to endure from his brethren and even family… all for obediently doing what God called him to do.

    His words/God’s judgments were severe in the extreme to the Priest Pashur and all of Israel.
    Reading the painful words that this true servant of God spoke (words I’ve never heard preached anywhere), words that are beyond what I’ve ever felt or had to endure, but it is what lies ahead.

    Jeremiah 20:14-18

    More reason for us to be full of Jesus and dying daily to self. Self does not need much, as Jesus said; having food and raiment, be content.

    We haven’t seen anything yet.
    This is just God’s boot camp preparing us for it.

    We have counted the cost

    16 But you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death, 17 and you will be hated by all because of My name. 18 Yet not a hair of your head will perish. 19 By your endurance you will gain your lives.

    Luke 21

  51. John,
    I “stumbled” upon your site a few years ago. Your arguments against pre-trib are what captured my attention. I like how you encourage your readers to do our own research and to call you out if/when we see a mistake. I also have to say that the Holy Spirit has used some of your articles and/or the links there in, to confirm some things to me that I thought might be true but of which I was unsure. I tried to listen to the Hagmanns a few times when you were a guest on the show but for some (unknown at the time) reason the Holy Spirit in me didn’t allow me to connect with them or with Steve Quail either. I don’t always like it when the Holy Spirit won’t let me do what I want to do but I have discovered thru many errors that it is always best to follow Him. Thank you for this article of truth. As you know the truth is sometimes ugly to those who would like to hide from it. Keep up the Lord’s work. That’s all that is required of each of us. This world is becoming more dangerous every day.
    Your Sister in Christ,

  52. After reading articles on Marinka Marinka Peschmann’s site, RevelationNow.net and Tracking the Leopard Meroz, I’ve come to the sad conclusion that this situation with Quayle, Hagmann and Lankford is much worse than I thought. This is my opinion only, but it seems like this is not just a matter of them being deceived by the con man “V”.

    There are also the matters relating to the NSA and SWAT. Apparently Doug Hagmann said he was being “stalked” by the NSA and he also made up a story about being surrounded by a SWAT team while in his vehicle. I was wonder why in the world would they do this? Did they do this to make their listeners believe that the Hagmann’s show is indeed reporting information that the government doesn’t want to get out?

    It’s all so ugly. Like JL said above – God can use this for good. After listening to Quayle and Hagmann for a while, I convinced my husband to do some basic prepping in case of disaster, so that’s a good thing. I stopped listening to them when they favored Dr Ted Broer, who was teaching heresy, instead of supporting Nathan Leal who pointed out the heresy.

    I don’t know what to say about Lankford – those emails to JL are so full of pride and self-righteousness. I don’t have much hope for these guys to repent and “come clean” with the public.

    My heart is troubled for these men. Because of the lies, deception and lack of repentance, I am not sure these men are true believers in Jesus Christ. I will pray for them. I’m sad for the people who suffered great financial loss.

    I pray that the people who are greatly disappointed by Quayle and Hagmann – that they would press in closer to God and not turn away from Jesus Christ.

  53. John,

    I thank you for allowing God to use you to open our eyes. I was not able to afford any of their products but my heart breaks for those that have lost a lot financially. Although, I will say that the fear and mental anguish that I allowed them to instill in me over the last 3 years, to the point that I was ready to lose my mind, was cruel and I believe that significant damage has been done to a lot of believers. Maybe we can pray for healing of the minds that have been affected by these people. We also need to pray for the ones still being deceived.

    • Hi Kerry,

      You are absolutely right. This deception WAS cruel, and any other deception is also cruel. I pray that they would repent of what they’ve done, and I pray that those who have been hurt will be helped – and that those who are deceived will see the truth.

      BTW, your comment was captured by the spam filter that I am forced to use, and I only saw it now. Sorry about that.

      Thank you for having such a good heart, Kerry. The Lord will guide all who rely upon Him.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  54. hi John…I use to subscribe to Joe Vancovering’s newsletter years ago…filled with ads to buy gold and silver…BUT I know the verses in the bible…Ezek.7:19 “They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed; their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord.”…ALSO Jer.17:5″thus saith the Lord, Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.”…I no longer follow him…Keep up your good work and fight the fight of faith….I follow Paul as he followed Christ. I’m not buying gold or silver…but am laying up treasure in heaven.GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR MINISTRY.

    • Thank you, Pastor. Some gold and silver might help, but it is NOT the answer. I’m glad that you have the Answer, and that your flock has such a pastor. – JL

      PS. BTW, Ezek. 7:19 has been fulfilled already, but I expect the future to rhyme with it, eventually.

  55. All this is rather disconcerting, to say the least. I’ve been listening to H&H for quite a while now on podcast replay mostly and have been rather interested in many of the topics discussed including from SQ. What is your opinion of SQ’s books and documentaries? I’ve been rather intrigued by them. Is SQ doing honest documentary work with these? As for his precious metals, that arena has intrigued me too but I don’t think it is smart to put all of one’s money into any investment vehicle no matter how good it seems.

    Not sure how to process all this info (not sure I understand this whole thing) but in some way it gives me pause to step back and not get so caught up in the headlines so much. I do believe we need to be watchful of the things coming as I believe it’s quite possible that we’re in the birth pangs of Matt. 24.

    • Hi Brandon Miller,

      For now, I believe that Steve Quayle believes what he says. I say ‘for now’ because some have relayed information to me that makes me hesitate.

      Having said that, I believe that Steve’s emphasis on the Book of Enoch is wrong. Whether the book is true or false, is hard to say. But, Steve is taking things WAY too far.

      Were there giants?

      Absolutely. We actually have conclusive proof.

      But, I believe that Steve goes too far. Way too far.

      I haven’t read the book of Enoch, and I do not wish to. The Bible is enough for me, and what I’m seeing in current events is bad enough already.

      As for alternatives to gold or silver… I’m sure that there are. I have friends in the finance business that seem to be doing well, and I hope that they survive what comes. And, if I had more time, I might be able to figure out ways to do the same, but it would detract from God’s calling on my life.

      It ultimately depends on where the Lord is leading you. There’s the ‘smart’ thing to do, and then there’s the thing that God wants you to do.

      Read your Bible. Every day. All of it. Over and over.

      Go to a good church that does not flinch from speaking the truth.

      Serve God with all that you have.

      Everything else is just detail.

      I hope that helps, Brandon.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  56. Dear Mr. Little,

    Wow! Once again we witness “ministers of the Gospel’s” hearts becoming full of guile. Once again ego, pride, & greed, ravage the body of Christ. It is enough to rip one’s heart out.

    When I saw an opportunity for Nathan to get back into ministry again with the conference a year or so ago after being sidelined for so long with illness I was happy. And even happier that someone in the Body had the gravitas to stand up to the deceiver Ted Brewer. But quite stunned when the wolves ripped off their sheep’s clothing and tore into Nathan. Whatever they may think of Nathan & his ministry what they did was wrong on every level and they will answer to God for it.

    I for one have been grateful for Nathan’s ministry, and Steve’s ministry’s as listening to Nathan & Steve brought my own husband back to the Lord and I AM GRATEFUL for that! But knowing how illness brings physical weakness, and can even effect ones pocketbook I was shocked, stunned, & appalled at the level of blasphemy (speaking against the Lord’s reputation) committed against the Lord and His minister in all of this attack against Nathan a year or so ago.

    My husband & I love Nathan & Donna & their ministry. I know many others do as well so when Steve attacked Nathan I couldn’t help but wonder how many other Christians who may have come to the Lord through Nathan’s ministry may have been hurt deeply by Steve’s egregious behavior. I hope someone is able to reach Steve with the Truth of the deep harm he has caused not only to his own soul but to the Body of Christ as well.

    Your sister in the Lord,
    Judith Jones

  57. I was just going back over this article and decided to delve into the Marinka Peschmann stuff. In the “Poison Fruits” link, this little bit of text struck a chord with me:

    “These “Christians” and self professed “anointed ones” on “anointed radio shows” are hurting Christians. They have driven some of their listeners and readers into utter despair and hopelessness. They have ripped joy out of people’s lives.

    Some of these listeners and readers, convinced they were a part of the “Hagmann family,” have been severely damaged because they believed and guided their lives based on false allegations, and hyped up fear porn, presented as “real news.” This damage has been aided and heightened by their revolving door of predominately “Christian” and other regular guests, playing musical chairs in the alternative media – truther —circuit.

    Among the damage suffered from listening to and believing these “Christian” alternative media stars includes: nervous breakdowns, suicidal thoughts, anxiety issues, divorces, and relocations that broke up families. Some of their followers are now cash-poor, gold/silver/prepper supplies heavy, and living in financial ruin.”

    I can attest to the truth of that statement. I was one of their sycophants. Completely wrapped up in it. It seems like it takes about 3 years for most people to catch on. After so many “hair on fire” “It’s going down now!” events pass without any actual fulfillment, it finally begins to take hold in the mind that you are being duped. What it took for me to finally break the habit was a shock. One year ago. Nathan Leal and the Watchmen Conference.

    My question is this: How can the Steve Quayle, Hagmann, Lankford, “W”, “V”, “XYZ”, “Circle of Trust” (as Jaqueline Weaver calls them) continue to live with themselves?

    I found this interesting: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ffMyHrdCFJU

    Looks like Steve is trying to raise some cash. Legal fees? Who knows.

    • Hi Karl,

      I think that we all, to some degree, were influenced by the hysteria. We couldn’t believe that self-professed Christians would be deliberately deceptive. In fact, I still wrestle with how this is possible.

      But, facts are facts. They have engaged in deception, and there is no other way to look at this.

      All that I can say is that the Lord is good. He keeps us from getting caught for too long in the traps that have been set for us.

      Keep up the good work, Karl.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • I don’t suggest getting back into the world, but the devil was in the details; the WAY they worded things, or what they weren’t saying, is what got the loudest for me.

  58. John,

    I want to apologize to you and your readers for the tone in my earlier comment. You are very right, that I shouldn’t allow myself to become angry with this information. I really do apologize if I came across in a harsh manner. I can see it now that I’ve read it again. I shouldn’t adorn your website with bitterness, and I hope everyone will forgive me.

    Thank you for pointing this out to me, as I want to show respect to you, as you do for me and all your readers. And as always, your advice is always Biblical, and much appreciated!

    God bless.

    • Hi Angel,

      I had to go back and reread your previous comment, because I did not remember it being so negative.

      Sure enough, no need for an apology.

      However, if you wish me to take it down and/or replace with with another, I will gladly do so.

      You have a good heart, Angel, and I think that we all benefit from seeing it.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  59. Thank you John. This was a difficult one to get through. I’m heartbroken and deeply grieved. The Lord Jesus Christ knows – and He will prevail, ultimately. I will be praying for you as you continue to speak truth and expose falsehood. Rom 16:17 “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.” KJV – “mark them.” 2 John 1:10-11, “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.” And again, Paul instructs in Ephesians 5:11, “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.”)

  60. All I can say, is that I am glad to see Quayle is being exposed. The very first time I heard him, something inside said be very wary of this guy. I have often given him the benefit of the doubt since he professes to believe in The Christ, yet I could never fully appreciate his intolerance towards people who wavered in believe. Unlike you, and others, who more often express your fear of people who will be lost for their lack of Faith.
    Satan has successfully created what appears to be a fine line between himself and the True Son of God, Jesus. Perhaps that is why Jesus told us, “narrow is the way to Him”.
    May Quayle find his way.

  61. Dear brother John, I heard that rant by Doug Hagmann! But I didn’t realize it was about you! But something interesting! I saw a Barbara on Steve Quayle’s fb page! And she was giving information about someone bringing false accusations! ! I will look again later after insleep! But it seems fishy! Like someone may be playing both sides! Be blessed Kris

  62. John
    I have always been disturb by Lankford,s words. There is something in his tone that always disturbed me and I had to cut shut him off. When he called you John chicken Little something really hit home.
    My thoughts are telling me he is consumed by his better then you attitude, Scary Scary, for a man that thinks he is holly,er than God. Wow!!
    Thanks for exposing him for what he is.

  63. I started listening to h&h around 4 years ago. I feel like something was stolen from me. Maybe my peace. I am left depressed and not knowing who to trust. Pray for me and other people who are overcoming this deceptiion, and the people that are still being deceived.

    • Hi Kerry Hill,

      All of you are in my prayers, always, as I seek to communicate what I see.

      Unfortunately, quite a bit of the ‘doom porn’ on H and H was relevant. Even though some of what was said on H and H was a lie, the over all danger that we are in… is not.

      What is coming over the next couple of years could be worse than anyone has imagined, so far. My hope is that the events that I see coming, will be delayed – as they have been. But, there is a limit to how long God will stay His hand. Judgment is inbound.

      In fact, I’ve been listening to a few things that indicate that we’ll be seeing some things occur in February or March. We’ll see.

      But, I understand the feeling of betrayal in all of this. These men betrayed your trust and misrepresented themselves. They claimed to be faithful servants of God, but have demonstrated that they were not as faithful as they claimed.

      How deep this corruption goes, is hard to say. But, it IS corruption, and I am so sorry to see it. Heartbroken is the more accurate word. Instead of laying up treasure in heaven, they chose to lay it up on earth.

      My hope is that the Lord will guide you, Kerry, and that your direction will be made clear.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  64. Very disappointing to read this. One thing I will add: it seems these men you’ve mentioned plus others found out that you were speaking truth about ole Mike Kerr. Several have distanced themselves from him and the “Hear the Watchman” conferences. I heard one of them hint that Kerr had lied when asked a question. This person never mentioned his name, but it wasn’t hard to figure out.

    Truth needs to be told no matter how difficult it is to say or hear! Thanks for all you do. BG

  65. Hey John:

    ” I want to accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and my Savior. I believe that God created him”

    The above quotation is from the 1/8/17 2nd hr edition of “the common sense show” It is an excerpt from Ted Broer’s version of the sinners prayer. Both hrs of that show were devoted to Ted Broer’s presentation of “Faith, Spirituality, and quantum physics”
    I’m far from being the brightest bulb on the tree so I much appreciate Mr. Broer unveiling the mysteries of the Bible for me. I didn’t know about the pre-Adamic world. I didn’t know God recreated man through Adam and Eve. I didn’t know God recreated Jesus and put him in Mary’s womb. I didn’t know I am a frequency being and an energy being. I didn’t know I live in a holographic matrix. I didn’t know about Jesus’s blood emitting scalar waves. I didn’t know my DNA is a Tesla coil that obtains a resonant frequency lock with Yahweh through the Holy Spirit thereby connecting me to Him in his dimension at the frequency of the Holy Spirit. I just didn’t know that I didn’t know all these things, and on and on and on!
    So. What does one call all that? I need help here. To me these doctrines seem to have elements of JW, Mormonism, New Age, Quantum Physics, and Gnosticism all rolled into one. Since it’s uniquely Ted Broer I think I’ll call it “Broerism”.
    Could it be that the greater sin of the inhabitants of “Camp Cryptologic” is the endorsement and promotion of “Broerism”?

    • Hi Herb Whittard,

      Wow. By putting all of that together, you have illustrated just how awful and evil Ted Broer’s doctrines are. In fact, using that word ‘doctrines’ brought to mind Paul’s first letter to Timothy:

      Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

      – 1 Timothy 4:1

      Those are certainly ‘doctrines of devils’. (bleah!)

      I am so sorry that Dave Hodges and Doug Hagmann have allowed their shows to become a platform for the preaching of the demonic. I stopped listening to Dave and Doug, about this time, last year.

      What a truly horrible thing.

      Thank you, Herb, for writing that in a way that truly brings out the horrifying truth. Well done, brother.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • You might just summarize Broerism as “marketplace Christianity”. Everything he says leads into something he wants to sell.

      On a side note, I wrote a comment on a recent H&H youtube video saying “Read your Bible diligently and learn to discern false teachers”. Deleted.

  66. Hi John, I just finished reading Nathan Leal’s newest article on Trump, along with the imbedded articles: Uncle Fred prophecy and Trump Land prophecy. I must admit I was a bit shaken. Here is what I wrote on the Watchman Cry’s forum:


    I copied and pasted the article, plus the imbedded articles. Emailed them to myself and my husband. I have many Christian friends who believe the opposite, that Trump is God’s reprieve. I still listen to H&H and RW. Some guests I don’t care for, so I turn them off. I am an avid reader of John Little’s and Nathan’s writings as well. I really don’t know what to think at this point. For me, its a wait and see. The reason I am saving these articles is that there is this gnawing sense that Nathan is right. The Pollyanna part of me doesn’t want to believe it. I am a Reagan girl. I raised my children during the eighties. I loved that man. He could do no wrong. I desperately wanted a Reagan to save us from the insanity of the last 8 years. John Wayne to the rescue. But deep down inside I wonder if he is a narcissist and no different than Mr. O. So much of me wants to believe he can reverse the course of this nation, that the Kim Clement prophecy in 2007 is true, that (something like this, you can YouTube it if you want–Kim Clement Donald Trump Prophecy) “he will enter the oval office whispering My name, then be shouting it when he leaves…” Or something like this… Any thoughts? Has anyone here seen that video?


    Was wondering if anyone here has seen the Kim Clement prophecy about Trump?

    Also John, what do you think of Pizza Gate? In your opinion, is this a case of Fake news?

    You mentioned something above about an event in February or March. Are you free to share more about this?

    Thanks John.

    • Hi Karon,

      I came very close to being sucked into the smoke and mirrors and backroom deals of the Republican party in Indiana. And, even the CFR. But, God dragged me off to Israel, so I didn’t have my mind warped by those people. And yes, it is easy for that to happen.

      And, what I saw in the late eighties and early nineties, from deep inside the Indiana Republican Party confirms that what Nathan Leal is saying is probably true. The corruption runs deep. Very deep.

      I worked on the George Bush Sr. campaign, and I am VERY sorry that I did. Very.

      And, #pizzagate is wrapped up with all of that as well. I wish that the rape and murder of young children were not at the heart of power in Washington, but it’s true. Horribly and horrifyingly true. And, I have NOT told all that I know about this, but you can find what I have said, here:



      Those who claim that this is a ‘psyop’ are either lying or deluded. There are too many witnesses and too many survivors for this to be less than the truth. In fact, I believe that we are looking at just the tip of the iceberg.

      Worse, these child rapists and murderers are pure Satanists, and these Satanists have infiltrated our churches. They have become deacons, elders and pastors. They have infiltrated our seminaries. They have taken over police departments, elements of the military and the leadership of the CIA.

      The breadth and depth of this evil is awe-inspiring, and you will see it for yourself, if you choose to follow the evidence. But beware, you will be horrified to your core, and you will never see the world the same way again – when you come to know what I know.

      I hope that helps, Karon. May God guide you and keep you as you seek to understand all of this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  67. Hi John,
    I’m not a big internet news person, but I was home sick today and I just happened, super randomly, to click on an article of yours from Jan 2016. It was the Leal article. I didn’t know you posted on it and was in agreement with you. When I awoke to the reality of the coming return of Jesus, was hungry for info and listened attentively to H & H. I lost interest in H& H about 1-2 years past, but followed Quayle’s site. I actively followed Dan Duval and then sort of stopped when he started his fire place church. Now I see God’s protection in motion. God clearly has led my husband and I away from the Trump trap and when my husband sent me an article by Nathan was encouraged. So few see the Trump delusion and the danger of trusting him. Every night we ask God a question and I pick 5 verses and a word from the thesaurus and God continues to lead and guide us. I am shocked and grieved, but God prepared us in November. He gave us Daniel 11:32-35 “Even some of those with discernment will stumble, so that some of them will be refined, purified and cleansed for an end yet to come at the designated time.” (Complete Jewish Bible). We began praying that God would protect us from deception and that we would not fall. Now we have, in horror, watched nearly every person we ever listened to come crashing down. I sent the attached post, if you feel led to have a look.


    May I share 1 thing more? God spoke encouragement to me tonight in the form of Ezekiel 34. God rebukes the shepherds. Should not shepherds feed the flock? You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool..those who are sickly, diseased, broken, you have not brought back and you have not sought the lost.

    God then states: “Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. I will care for My sheep and will deliver them, lead them and strengthen them.”

    God is going to rescue His people directly. He will sort out the mess of the leaders and he will be our salvation. He will take great care with the weak who have been hurt by poor leaders. I take great confidence in this and even if every leader falls, God will not.

    However, very encouraging to get a second confirmation on some of the same things God has been showing us. Also encouraging to see so many other believers following God and listening to Him foremost. Let us continue in love, truth and discernment and endure to the end. Blessings to you and your true love. Kelly

  68. This is going to seem kind of weird. The reason I got here was because I searched googled the words ‘Steve Quayle threatened me’ The reason I did that was because I met a guy by accident who bought True Legends and uploaded it to his youtube channel. He said within 72 hours he got really nasty emails from Steve threatening him with lawsuits and was just really really horrible to him. That really kind of took me back. I made it a point to ask this young man if hes sure Steve didnt send a pleasant professional email first? And he said No way. He said that guy is a total fraud. Ok. About a year ago I emailed David Lankford because of some things he said about the Rapture. I went way out of my way to be really nice and respectful and this guy sent me a horrible email. I still have it. I threatened to put the emails on youtube so people could see what hes really like. It angered me so bad. I was pleasant and cordial and I gave him clear Scriptural references and the guy just attacked. So what im wondering is? Are there other things I dont know about?
    and did you hear about Tim Alberino having his youtube channel deleted by youtube? Allegedly? Ive not heard a word from Tim about that. I have an itching in my gut that youtube didnt delete his account at all. I also have a feeling it has something to do with Steve Q and not youtube. Anyway, I have a youtube channel and its purpose is to try and purge the nonsense happening on there. Im preparing to do one on Hand H and Quayle and Lankford. I dont want to but Its got to happen. Ive had a bad feeling about these guys for a really long time. Anyway, if you can point me to anything else Id appreciate it.

    • Hi Paul,

      I’m not sure what I can say, other than what I’ve already written.

      One important source to look at is:


      Jackie is very sharp and very persistent.

      I am extremely disappointed in both Quayle and Lankford, and Doug Hagmann has not been as honest as he claims to be. I grieve over this, but I don’t know what else to say.

      They have acted in a profoundly unchristian way.

      Let me know what you come up with, Paul.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  69. I did see that statement that Steve Quayle released about Alberinos youtube. I did not buy it all. Theres so many things in that statement that send up red flags. 1. Tim Alberino has never said anything about this instance himself. Only Steve Quayle. 2. these statements from youtube can be copied and pasted from googling other people who received these statements and had them posted. 3. The one informing Alberino ‘you can never create another youtube account’ makes absolutely no sense.
    I know tons of people that loss their youtube channels that started a new one the next day. 4. I heard Quayle mention it was a copyright offense. However, Tims videos are still all over youtube. Theyre in tons of playlists. If this were the reason they would pulled ALL of Tims videos. They didnt.

    Without giving details about who I am or my background I can tell you this. Ive worked for some of the biggest ministries in the world. Ive worked at some megachurches as staff pastor. Ive been wondering for a long time now what Tim Alberino and Steve Quayles relationship is like because Ive seen a lot of Steve Quayles over the last 15 years. Guys like him a fragile ego and massive jealousy especially towards younger, brighter more talented people. Ive seen young guys like Tim go to work for big shot pastors and within a year or two seen their personal identities chipped away at. Ive seen pastors do anything they can do to get control over someone like Tim. You wouldnt believe some of these things Ive seen. You wouldnt. When I first heard that Tims youtube was taken down I thought nothing of it. I went to his facebook and saw nothing. He hadnt said a word. Odd. So I went to Quayles website and what I saw looked very familiar to me. Ive seen literally probably at least a hundred times. It wreaks of something else. I dont think youtube pulled his account. I think Steve didnt want Tim doing his own thing. I might be wrong but Ive seen this relationship play out over and over and over with other people just like this two guys to the point its all a bore. I have a nose for B.S. that is creepy good. Id rather be ignorant but I smell things coming from a long way off.
    I think Tim is staying where he is because its good for him right now and if he broke away Steve could ruin him and he would. He would ruin him. I smell something in the air with this.

    • Hi Paul,

      Yeah, I’ve seen this kind of thing myself. Deeply rooted insecurity coupled with pride is always destructive.

      It’s almost as if they cannot trust God, that they really can’t even believe God.

      Thank you for that insight, brother.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • I thought the very same thing when I read that alert. I like Tim a lot. It occurred to me that if SQ was crooked, eventually Tim would catch on. Then things would unravel. I’m not saying this is what is happening, but the thought did occur…

      • Im not sure crooked is the right word. Maybe it is. I just dont know. A lot of these guys get full of themselves and then pride sets in and they feel special like theyve worked themselves into a special elevated place where God winks at what they do because of what ‘theyve done’ for the Kingdom. What concerns me about Tim is that what I saw in him in the beginning was a humble guy interested in truth. Hes a little more inflated now and that sincerity I see slipping away. Ive seen it happen so so many times. Its nothing against Tim.
        Its just what happens. I pray God pulls him back if im right. If im wrong I hope anyone reading my comment will know that also. We gotta get away from personality based bias and just love the truth.

  70. Hello Mr. Little, thanks for this article, as it (including a few others I’ve read) helped to confirm what I’ve been feeling in the spirit about Quayle, Doug, and several others. And not to swell your ego, but listening to you and Mr. Leal have helped to clarify, soberly, not through fear and “what if scenarios”, different aspects, if you will, of the Lord’s Word. I always noticed that the more I’d listen to Steve Quayle, Tom Horn, Doug Hagmann (not so much Joe, as I’ve noticed they seem to stiffle him, whenever he brings up a valid point or idea, as it would normally change the focus from what the others were selling-I hope my feeling is accurate, as it turned out to be so for the others), the more spiritual attacks I would experience: not ones that seem to indicate you’re on the right path, but rather, becoming less focused on the Lord and His Word. One example, is that thanks to my ignorance-to-resistance-to-willful-disregarding the warnings of the Lord, and continuing to absorb myself in the “teachings of Quayle”, I know WAY more about the evil and its entities, as he seems to give them more focused air time, and lip service to the Lord. The biggest thing, due to my choice to consume a certain well known herb (you lived through the 60’s, you can probably pick up what I’m putting down, lol), I would always get an “evil-feeling” when listening to Quayle, Doug, or Tom, or many other guests. Not saying the herb has any “real power”, but personally, strictly speaking for myself, I feel it has been a help to me, as it fosters a calm, less agitated state of mind: PTSD from some gnarly, and repeated sexual abuse, from age 4-7, coming from close relatives. I’m now 27, and you never forget; but that’s how, if we remember and pay attention, and exercise the same forgiveness the Lord does with us, to prevent history from repeating itself, with whatever evil someone has been subjected to. To tie in the personal soap box bit, when praying and seeking the Lord, as well as the herb he has given us (I’ll take God’s design of medicine, over Man’s design of medicine, any day of the week! (Also, it’s not just the medicine, but God working through His creation (herb) to help His Creation (Man), Man can’t live on bread alone), I feel that I was amply warned, via the Spirit and the Word, to beware the Lions and Wolves dressed as sheep. But me being human, I dropped that ball, but God bless you, Mr.Leal, and everyone else (who’s names I do not know, sorry!), that helped call foul on the fumble (I don’t follow sportsball, so I hope I got the analogy right; It’s the ‘Merican in me, lol). Love you and the Work you’ve done: stay safe, keep you’re eyes on the ground, and you’re head/heart with the Lord, and He’ll continue to see you through, for His benefit!

    • Hi Mathew Donahue,

      First of all, I am so desperately sorry for what you’ve been through. I’m just glad to see that God is guiding you through all of that.

      As for Steve and friends, I really must agree with you. And, I’ve been reflecting on this a lot lately, myself. I am far less ‘hysterical’, now that I’m not listening to hysteria. And, you make a point that I just made to someone else:

      We give too much credit to Satan, when we focus ourselves on what he’s doing.

      And, I believe that Satan WANTS to be at the center of our attention.

      Just focus on the Truth. Read your Bible every day. It only takes 70 hours to get through the whole thing. And we all need to ‘get through the whole thing’.

      And, as for your ‘herbal remedy’… if it doesn’t stand between you and God, there really isn’t anything that anyone can legitimately object to – although, I have no understanding in this matter.

      God bless you, Matthew, as you seek out the Truth!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  71. Dear John,

    Thank you so much for shedding much-needed light on these men! I’m relatively new to the information that they provide and I have been somewhat uneasy about them. I also do not listen to Alex Jones and now I’m wondering about Dave Hodges… I diligently pray for wisdom and discernment from our Lord. I am not as smart as you or as some on this thread so I praise God for men such as yourself to help me with understanding. These days the level of deception is astounding and at times.

    May God continue to bless you and yours,

    Cathleen Johnson

  72. John , spent 28 days in keelung harbor on a ship several years ago ,,

    Been to jerusalem many many times ,

    I have knowledge as to who these men are .

    Don’t waver in your conviction in what you are saying

  73. I emailed Mr Quayle, and I told him that I thought he was a little hung up on the idea of fallen angels having sex with everything. I also didn’t think that science could support some of his ideas. Well, I didn’t get a pleasant response, and I instantly knew that all of the “so-called” crazy people that email Steve were not the problem. Steve Quayle was the problem. It is odd that Steve would brag about how many people he has brought to the lord, because he simply wanted to make an enemy out of me, and run me off as quickly as possible. I suspect that I am one of thousands. Needless to say, the rose colored glasses came off, and I started looking for Steve’s true nature. This is the third uhh-ohhh I have found in regards to Steve. I see he was caught in a nasty broadcaster mess a while back. It appeared to be a well planned and executed scheme to put the one broadcaster out of business. Steve claimed to be a lied to victim, but look where we are now, so that doesn’t seem likely. Steve had a questionable business transaction with a little old lady. It seems he shorted her 100 pcs of silver. Was it fraud or a miscommunication? I have to say that when a person takes a step back and sizes up the general theme and direction of Steve Quayle you simply have to think that there is a possibility that he simply saw an opportunity in the church to lie, cheat and steal from good people. To make a long story short, I would like to compare notes with others that have had a bad Steve experience, and do my best to warn others about Steve’s questionable practices.



      • Dear, JL

        In your opinion, did Steve Quayle ever know God, or did he simply go to church and see an opportunity to take advantage of good people? Out of curiosity, do you know a guy named Jim Lo?


        • Hi Steel Assault,

          My impression of Steve – and this is just me – is that he is easily tricked into believing in things that are just not true. Or, maybe I should say that he appears to me to be easily manipulated. But, he also seems to lack the kind of integrity to say that he was tricked into something and was wrong.

          Steve should have come clean on ‘V’. He did not, and people were hurt.

          He still won’t come clean publicly.

          Now, does this moral failing mean that he’s not saved?

          No, but it’s a bad sign.

          Ultimately, it does not matter whether a person is saved or not. What matters is the direction that God is giving you. And, that kind of thing requires time spent reading the Bible – all of it – and much prayer.

          I hope this helps, Steel.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • Dear, JL

            I don’t believe Steve is the manipulated. I believe he is the manipulator. In the first ugly story I found that involved Steve, the main culprits were said to have stolen broadcasting equipment and then did what they did to put the author of the story out of business. The main culprits were said to have made good money trading precious metals. Guess who else trades precious metals? Steve. In the second ugly story involving Steve, an old lady that listened to Steve wanted to take his advice and buy some precious metals, so she contacted him and it is claimed that Steve’s prices were higher than other dealers, and he shorted her 100 pieces of silver. Steve got turned into the better business bureau. I’m not sure if anything ever came from it, but it is a big red flag. So in retrospect, some questionable people forced themselves into Christian broadcasting, and Steve advocated that people should buy precious metals. Eerie coincidence or evil business plan? Now we have a fraudulent investment mess, and my question is;” What did Steve and Doug get in return for supporting “V”? This seems very calculated to me.
            Steve and friends do not treat people the way they want to be treated. There appears to be zero patience or nurturing in their replies, and anyone that questions them, is either a fool or crazy. Ironically, Steve always asks people to be patient and understanding with him, because he still isn’t perfect. I have to believe that is an excuse that Steve has worn out. I get the impression he is quite happy with the way he is, and really has no intention of making any effort to improve himself.

            Steel Assault

  74. John, why is it that I want to believe that Doug Hagmann is a real Christian, with Jesus in heart? I definitely get uneasy vibes about Steve Quayle, yet Doug calls him one of his best friends. And Ted Broer is even more slimy, and an anti-Semite. I’m not sure about David Lankford, but he sure does criticize others frequently, like he is the judge and jury.

    • Hi Randy Tanner,

      I don’t like being the judge of someone’s salvation. But, I’ll do it, when the facts of the matter are obvious.

      I can say with a great deal of evidence that Doug and Steve have engaged in deception. How much deception is hard to say, but it is clear to me that they have and have not sought to undo the damage that this deception has caused.

      Does this mean that they are not saved?

      This I do not know, but please be careful with Doug. He will praise people and make grandiose claims about them that they do not deserve. He did that when introducing me on his show, and his flowery praise was not honest. At the time, I let it pass, but it left me with a bad feeling about Doug.

      Then, this happened.

      I hope that helps, Randy.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  75. How amazing the Holy Spirit works! While I don’t follow the big names like Quayle and Hagmann, I have been fence sitting on the Rapture/Dispensation teachings. My beliefs have been affected by whoever is presenting the most persuasive augment at the time. BUT I have been reading the Bible and praying for wisdom and discernment of the truth. Started reading the pdf of Ezekiel’s Fire and couldn’t stop, up to 1:30am. But the loss of sleep was so worth it to finally be AWAKE to false teaching. Thank you for your insightful study and scriptural support of the truth.
    Also watch dnajlion who’s report lead me to your site. I’ll do my best to tell others about Ezekiel’s Fire.

    • I never got to read your entire comment. Tech is great, when it works :/ Your comment did spark my interest, as I have nothing nice to say about Mr. Quayle. A lady posted a video on you tube outlining why she disagreed with Mr. Quayle’s logic and teachings, and Steve threatened to sue her for slander. The super laughable part was that that video had less than 200 views, when the threat was made. That FRAGILE EGO. I’ll leave my email if you want me to. Take care, I pray Mr. Quayle’s days of spewing venom are coming to an end!

  76. I am not sure why this came up as an update nevertheless I read a few comments and all I can say is that many sound like a bunch of Pharisees. I realized that V was a fraud before anyone exposed him. The Spirt of the Lord gives discernment. That said, many ‘Christians’ attend the big box churches and do not realize they there is a deluding spirit among them. We must always be diligent to serve the Lord unencumbered by the world.

    Concerning the Leal’s, I asked sincere, provocative questions attempting to find truth and they blocked me; isn’t that special.

    Many need to remember to watch, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
    Phil. 1:15 Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will;

    But reading many in this article reminded me of Mark 9 (an adaptation): we saw, heard, read someone did something in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he is in our group. Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.

    Two of my favorite quotes these days are: “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” (Sun Tsu?)and “Can’t we all just get along?” (Rodney King).

    We must all come together and defeat the enemy and today, April 10, 2020, our enemy is Bill Gates.

    • Hi Donna,

      I wish that I could agree with you that we all need to put aside our differences to fight the enemy. What you might not realize is that you are merely repeating the message proclaimed by The Enemy for thousands upon thousands of years. “After all, we all worship the same God”, they say. But, I’m afraid that this just isn’t so. And, the Bible proclaims this, from Genesis to Revelation.

      Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann have sinned against God. There can be no question about this. Worse, they continue to infect the Body of Christ with garbage trucks full of false teaching – even after they were warned by faithful brothers in Christ. They are spreading lies, and it’s wrong.

      We are to be people of The Truth, not people of The Lie.

      Furthermore, you might have asked Nathan and Donna Leal sincere questions, but it is doubtful that you did so in love and kindness. I know, because I DID ask such questions in love and kindness and got a response. I was not a follower of theirs, and still am not. So, the fact that you were ‘blocked’ tells me that you did not approach them properly. They were under assault by those who claimed to be Christian, and you were not helpful.

      Do you love your brothers and sisters in Christ?

      That’s an important question, Donna, and God knows the answer. What you will face in the life to come, will – in large part – be based on that answer.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  77. I am not interested in the saga of Leal and Broer. It seems to me it is just the miry personal mess of two lost men that need the fear of God before it is too late for them. The entire series of events is just a war between two crime families, it’s a private war, and true Christians should not be involved. There is a tremendous amount of money in the god business, small g. Easy money, and that is the bottom line. Christians should be in their Bibles, praying without ceasing and keeping their eyes focused on Jesus. In these Last Days they should not be looking to any man, there is only One to look to and that is Lord Jesus. God provided His Holy Bible for us, He blessed us with His Holy Spirit to guide us, and that is all we need. With that we can lead others to Jesus while there is still time….and that is all that matters, leading others to repentance and Lord Jesus while there is still time…time is running out.

    I am here because I want to expose the havoc and pain Nathan Leal has caused me; he has personally affected my life and it has been devastating.

    I know what I know, and that is Mr. Leal is a wicked man. He is a pathological liar and a thief. Plagiarizing is stealing and lying and Mr. Leal is a common long time plagiarist of many. He is also a narcissist who craves attention. I say a narcissist because Leal often speaks in the third person; Nathan this, Nathan that, what about this Nathan,…that is a trait of a narcissist. He loves the sound of his own name….perhaps he wants to be known by his first name, such as Cher, Madonna.

    I challenge all to research him, this is not slander, it is the truth. See what people who actually knew him, those who had had personal experience with him, have to say. I for one know him. I could have sued Mr. Leal in Court for his massive plagiarism of me that had gone on for a period of six years, without my knowledge or consent. Even worse, he is guilty of blasphemy because in Hagmann and Hagmann radio interviews, he quoted me word for word and then claimed my words that he plagiarized came from god….that god (small g) whispered them in his ear. Moreover, he did the same in his ‘Watchman cry” videos, claiming god told him….as he parroted me word for word. To lie about the Holy Spirit! That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Where is the fear of God?

    When I learned what Leal was doing, I was shocked and mortified. Totally shocked to hear myself being parroted word for word on a Hagmann and Hagmann show by Nathan Leal. One time Doug Hagmann said to Leal, I admire your zeal, and Leal answered, It’s my passion! My words he steals, my analogies he steals, and calls them his passion. Some of what Leal plagiarized went viral, it made him famous. I contacted him. Leal called me a Judas, he was furious, but he never denied what he did, because he could not….and he still arrogantly continued to plagiarize me! He actually made an audio saying anyone who comes against a man of god is a Judas, and I knew it was targeted to me. He took the audio was taken down within 24 hours. I guess his rage had calmed down. Is it normal to be in a rage because you were exposed? There is no repentance in this man, no excuse, no apology, just arrogance.
    So than I sent him a copy from his website of something that he had plagiarized from me and I threatened to sue him. I showed him I had evidence. His response…He took down his website! Went totally silent. After some time Leal came back with another new website and his massive FAKE dreams from god (small g) had vanished, like they never existed. All his fake illnesses vanished. A great deal of his plagiarism also completely vanished, although, he still plagiarizes me but not to a great extent. I know he has a file on me, because his plagiarizing was so extensive. Leal cannot get by without plagiarizing, he’s dead in the water.

    Besides Mr. Leal’s massive amounts of FAKE dreams from god (small g) are you also aware of all Leal’s FAKE illnesses, his deathbed illnesses and his requesting funds because he has no medical insurance or money for doctors? That in 2008 at the start of his website he claimed to have a leg injury and was in desperate condition but too poor to afford a doctor, had no medical coverage, and he was suffering because god wanted to humble him? That he was further humiliated and mentally tortured because he had to shop in second hand stores.

    (Years later I learned he really had a farm with goats, chickens, etc., as well as an arsenal of high tech weapons, and that he was a survivalist, and certainly not poor.) A former friend of Leal had put up a youtube video about Leal, however, is no longer available, it was quite old, around 2009/2010. This former friend wanted to exposed Leal as a fraud. His multitudes of illnesses are lies all to generate money, because after I discovered his massive plagiarism I researched him. It is shocking and it is an abomination.

    Did you know that at one point Leal finally landed his covetous position as Steve Quayle’s survivalist guru on Quayle’s radio show? Leal was the hard core survivalist host and the Quayle radio fans loved him….no mention of God, no mention of God ever, at all, from the hard core survivalist Leal. Then suddenly Leal’s sheep from his website called him out for turning his back on God and they abandoned him. They publicly criticized him. Leal quickly resigned as Quayle’s radio survival guru and went back to his “god” business, to try to salvage it, after all that is where the money is and got to keep that bread buttered. Spend an hour each week making an audio and thousands pour in…only a fool would lose that gig.

    Do you know that when Leal CLAIMED to be on his deathbed, dying of lupus with a note pad at his bed to record his dreams from god (small g) he was actually stalking another website host online, while trying to hide his identity, because said website host had exposed him as a fraud….and furthermore, that at the very same time that he was on his “deathbed,” he was actually giving interviews on Hagmann and Hagmann radio boasting he was running errands, chopping wood while he was praying….and he forgot he was supposed to be dying of lupus…on his deathbed! He is deranged…His lies are endless and of course those lying sagas have been taken down from his website, although I did copy one of his Lupus deathbed sagas. The first one he made was so absurd that he took it down and followed up with a watered down version, and that is the one I have….it proves he is a fraud, because the exact time frame of his “dying” he was actually on Hagmann and Hagmann radio doing interviews, at the same time frame!…. full of vim and vigor. Imagine someone claiming to be on their deathbed, dying of Lupus and without medical care, without a physician, without meds and in the same time frame doing interviews about working on his farm and talking to god.
    I contacted Leal, (since I had two relatives die from Lupus) exposing his story as a shameful fraud, and his then wife, Donna, responded….that Leal really did have Lupus because she had diagnosed him with Lupus herself! So no doctor, no meds, no hospitalization…but dying….and your wife diagnosed you with the deadly disease.….who could believe this. Oh, how I wish I had a copy of his original announcement of his Lupus deathbed saga. Deranged, that is the only description for it.

    Nathan Leal is a Biblical illiterate. The only time he gets it right is when he plagiarizes someone and he often does that, as it turns out he is a commonly known plagiarist.
    When Leal is not plagiarizing others and opens his mouth he gets in deep trouble, this is the result and it is disgraceful. The following is Nathan Leal’s knowledge of the Holy Scriptures:

    On the Hagmann and Hagmann Report Show on BlogTalk Radio, Audio at 2:32:15, dated July 10, 2015, Mr. Nathan Leal gives FALSE BIBLICAL TEACHING:
    Mr. Leal asks, “After Jesus rose from the dead, what did John find neatly folded in the corner?” (of the tomb) He goes on to say, “His (Jesus) old garments folded neatly in the corner.” Mr. Leal goes on to say, “Jesus was showing us that even He, from the way of man, the regular human body, had to take off the regular garments and put on the new garments of righteousness—Even Jesus did it. He goes on to say, “The old garments are the work of the flesh.”

    So Leal is saying Lord Jesus had to take off the flesh to become righteous! LIAR! More lies from Leal: One, the Lord Jesus garments WERE NOT in the tomb. Two, the burial linen that Jesus’ body was wrapped in was found collapsed, not folded in a corner. Three, the Lord Jesus garments were gambled for by the Roman soldiers as HE hung on the cross, the fulfillment of Psalms 22:18 prophesied. Four, Mr. Leal implies that Son of God, Lord Jesus, who came into the world as the perfect Sacrificial Lamb of God to die for sinners to save them from their rightful judgment of hellfire, was guilty of the sin of the flesh. That Jesus had to remove his earthly garments (his flesh) to be rid of the work of the flesh. That is Blasphemy! Mr. Leal is a bungling Bible illiterate. Actually I believe he is worse than a bungling Bible illiterate. If one looks into his actions and clearly notices the physical manifestations that Mr. Leal sometimes displays, they will understand.

    Mr. Leal also stole the work of DAHBOO777 and publishes it as his own over and over again, year after year, on his website since President Trump was elected. Since I exposed Mr. Leal plagiarism he stopped referring to himself as a prophet, (yes he was plagiarizing me and calling himself a prophet), he now refers to himself as a “researcher,” as he continues to plagiarize the works of others, the research of others, their prophecies and their words. This is DAHBOO777 work that Leal plagiarized and posts as his own over and over again on his website. Donald Trump’s 66th Floor Penthouse Exposes His Idol ‘Sun God’ Apollo, Son of Zeus – YouTube by DAHBOO777. You will see it on Leal’s website over and over again.

    He also plagiarized Jonathan Cahn and Jonathan Kleck.

    He plagiarized Jonathan Cahn’s work of The Shemitah. The best part of this saga was before Jonathan Cahn’s, The Shemitah, had gone viral, Leal was quite anti Hebrew roots…He published an article that was negative about Hebrew roots. (Of course it has been deleted that is how Leal works) I should have saved it…but when Jonathan Cahn’s, The Shemitah, went viral, Leal immediately went on board and plagiarized Cahn…the funny part was Leal could not pronounce the word Shemitah. Too funny.

    He plagiarized Jonathan Kleck about the U.S. currency.

    This is only a tip of the iceberg, there are more victims of Mr. Leal. Mr. Leal is a wicked man; he has no fear of the Lord God Almighty because he is a pathological liar and a thief. I warned him to repent because liars cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven.


    The above video link of Leal was taken down shortly after the below comment was posted on it. Exactly how Leal operates. Like it never existed, but I had copied the below post in 2017 or 2018, just before video and entire link was deleted.

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    •AnnieO1006 months ago
    Nathan Leal is a false prophet. He and his wife tricked me out of $700
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    AnnieO1006 months ago
    He stole $700 from me. He is a false prophet!
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    Stacey Copley2 months ago
    He’s not a good man… Sorry jmo

    How could Nathan Leal rob a woman of $700 dollars? Where is the conscious? So cruel. It is so heartbreaking, so tragic.

    The following is a testimony of a former member of Mr. Leal’s “ministry:”
    I was a forum member at Watchman’s Cry, joining in 2008. At first, I was delighted, thinking I’d found a place to belong. There were times a red flag went up, but I ignored it. Daily I checked in over there, chatting with others and reading the countless “dreams and visions” that Nathan posted. I found myself reading the Bible less, depending solely on the constant ramblings and revelations of Nathan.
    Then in the Spring of 2009, after nearly a year of reading and listening to all of the conspiracy theories and fear mongering, I convinced my husband that we needed to heed all the warnings, sell whatever we couldn’t carry, and leave the state. My husband quit his job, our children were uprooted, separated from family and friends, and we left.
    What followed was almost 3 years unemployment and extreme financial, marital and physical hardship. Spiritually, I can’t even put into words the effect.
    A very difficult time!
    I’ve since been shown how wrong that so-called ministry is, and how wrong I was to give it any place in our lives.

    On a Trunews interview Leal stated that, QUOTE: “I have 30 to 50 dreams from god, you can see them on my website.” END OF QUOTE. The following month, I believe it was on A Minute to Midnight show, Leal claimed that he had 50 to 100 dreams from god! He is so incredibly reckless with his lies that he takes no interest in keeping them straight,,,who keeps score. Is this normal? I think both these interviews have since been deleted. Shortly after these claims were made by Leal, I contacted him and threatened to sue him for his plagiarizing of me that had gone on for six years without my knowledge or consent and he was absolutely furious and called me a Judas. He arrogantly continued to plagiarize me! So then I emailed him the evidence that I had copied his plagiarism of me from his website and proved I had the evidence to sue him. His response was to TAKE DOWN HIS WEBSITE! His fake dreams from god (small g) abruptly vanished as well. Someone please explain to me if someone claimed over and over again to have heard from god….how could they then have all those dreams from “god” suddenly evaporate like they never had existed. He still plagiarizes me to an extent.

    The man is totally deranged out of control. I have been told from a very reputable source, someone that was close to Mr. Leal, that Mr. Leal is on record telling a website scheduler, that he was the only real prophet hiding out there waiting for his announcement to the world. Does this not sound like delusions of grandeur. It is derangement. It is scary, truly derangment.

    I am not a dreamer, I just don’t remember my dreams, maybe a couple in my entire life, but generally I do not have dreams. However, I did have a nightmare and it was about Nathan Leal. I know it happened because I have been traumatized by what Nathan Leal has done to me. The dream was, I had just arrived home, got out of my car and was about to enter my home when I turned and realized that I had been followed. I went inside but then went out again to look to see what was going on, and this man, it was Nathan Leal, had opened my car door and was going through notes and papers that I had in my car and when I said, what are you doing, he answered, I am a Christian. Then he started my engine and drove away with my car. I ran out into the parking lot calling for help… help, help, he took my car, my license plates, my license plates, help, help, he stole my license plates. In the dream I did not care about my car being stolen with my notes and papers. I was crying for my license plates/tags. Years ago by random, by chance, I was issued vehicle license plates that turned out to be my two initials, then the letter G (I believe for God) and my birth year. I have been told that it is surreal….not a coincidence. It is more precious to me than gold because I believe that it is a sign from God. My initials, G for God, and my birth year on my license plates. That is why I was crying help,,,, my license plate! In the dream/nightmare it was Nathan Leal. He stole my car because it contained my notes and papers…

    I was given a prophetic word by the Holy Spirit in April 1993 and I have NEVER forgotten it! It was the most profound event in my life. Everything in it has come to pass except the last thing and that is the judgment of America as Sodom and Gomorrah. Again by God’s mercy I was given a word of knowledge in 2003 and again in 2009. God is astonishing, he is all awesome, it is wisdom to fear the Lord, He is full of mercy….We must repent and follow Him.

    Mr. Leal knows who I am…I am elderly, and Mr. Leal, if you read this, you will know, unfortunately for you, I am not dead yet. Lord Jesus said we must bless our enemies, we must forgive our enemies. I do forgive you Nathan Leal, but you must be exposed….the sheep must be protected from the wolves.

    It is unfortunate that this website gives Mr. Leal credibility and has gotten involved in the miry mess between two lost men…they both need God.

    The people who follow Leal, or any of this miry mess, should instead go to their Bible, read it out loud, or listen to it audibly because Jesus said, faith comes by hearing, pray, talk to our heavenly Father, talk to Lord Jesus, focus on the Lord the Jesus. Keep eyes on Jesus. The deceivers are everywhere but you will be protected. We must be ready to endure until the End, and the End is soon. But then glorious eternity with Lord God Almighty in all HIS glory forever. Beware of the wolves in sheep clothing; you can be led astray and you will be led astray! There is a heaven and a hell; Jesus warned many would be lost because of ignorance! Heed Jesus’ warning! Keep your eyes on Jesus!

    If you want to call this bitterness, angry, or whatever, feel free. In these Last Days, persecution is what I expect, nothing less, the blind shall remain blind, but they have been warned and blood is not on my hands.

    “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 22:12

  78. John Little, thank you for your response, however, you mentioned that you know very little about Nathan Leal, and yet I recently read another article by you saying that Nathan Leal is, and I quote, A person of honesty, humility, and integrity. That description of Nathan Leal is absolutely the farthest from the truth.

    Mr. Leal plagiarized me on Hagmann and Hagmann radio shows as well as in his ‘ministry’ audios for six years without my knowledge or consent. That is stealing and lying. But that is not all. Mr. Leal claimed over and over again, that ‘god’ whispered in his ear, (as he plagiarized my words.) That is BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT! Lying of God’s Holy Spirit!…the unforgivable sin!

    You speak of Mr. Leal’s honesty and integrity. Do you consider tricking a woman / deceiving her, to rob her, of Seven Hundred Dollars honest? That is exactly what a woman had posted in comments on one of his yt videos…but, of course, that video was taken down along with all its comments, like it never existed. Mr. Leal has a long history of deleting, totally wiping out, over and over again, when he is exposed of his FRAUD AND LIES.

    Do you consider it humble of Mr. Leal when he was confronted with his plagiarism of me that he became ugly, vicious, and called me a Judas. And then when I confronted him with the EVIDENCE and threatened to sue in a court of law, he did not respond, instead, he IMMEDIATELY TOOK DOWN HIS WEBSITE, totally GONE WITH NO EXPLANATION! And approximately a month or so later, it was replaced by an entirely new website with tons of his audios/articles GONE FOREVER. You call that honest, you call that humble? I call it criminal. BTW, Mr. Leal still plagiarizes me. He is one very bad man; he is a pathological liar and has no fear of God.

    Are you aware of Mr. Leal’s numerous deathly illnesses, one after another, his death bed saga…ALL FAKE TO GENERATE MONEY? That he is desperate for medical care but has no medical coverage and is in great suffering, his Lupus Saga he claimed to be dying, to be on his deathbed, with a notebook at his side to write his dreams from “god?” Yes, they all disappeared too. Some were so bizarre only a lunatic would write. The man is a pathological liar and suffers from delusions of grandeur.

    I know more, a lot more. As far as the people involved in this miry pit, there are still others that have not been named, however, they are connected to those in this foul saga. I know most of them…they are deceivers, they are lovers of themselves, they are lovers of money, they are FALSE and they are FRAUDS. They are WOLVES IN SHEEP CLOTHING. I will not go into what I know, it is sickening. As I said, they have not been named in this chronicle, but they are closely connected and have each other’s back. It’s a business, a money generating business. Lord Jesus gave warning….In the Last Days there would be many False prophets…and here we are in the midst of it.

    I do not mean to insult or offend, but, just think how the taking sides of wicked lost men pleases Satan…on top of that, Mr. Leal wins again…he is so smug, he got another dummy to defend himself. But it is not for long. I may be wrong, but I do wonder, did God have His Hand in this, because the outcome was, Leal lost several platforms, lost monthly radio shows, lost opportunities to deceive God’s sheep and to rob them further of their finances. Perhaps it was not God, perhaps it was Satan, as Satan, the great deceiver, sucks people in to do his bidding, and then he destroys them. Satan is a deceiver and a destroyer.

    If you check out Mr. Leal’s yt video about a month ago, (he must have gotten a ‘ping’ when I made my post on your website) Mr. Leal said anyone that comments anything negative will be kicked off….then he says anyone that comments something negative on his website is like someone coming into his home and SHI..ING ON HIS COFFEE TABLE! Does that sound like a Christian to you? Does it? It is disgusting and foul, and gives a glimpse of Mr. Leal’s vile character.

    I have peace now because I have put this in God’s Hand. The infighting between Christians is Satan’s glory, especially when they are deceived. In these Last Days it is DISTRACTION AWAY FROM THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, JUST WHEN WE SHOULD BE DRAWING CLOSER. Stop looking at these lost men, look to God, stop focusing on these lost men, focus on Lord Jesus. WE ARE OUT OF TIME. We must be ready. Time is OVER. Do not be distracted, we must all repent, we must all be ready, for the Time of the End is soon upon us. The time of Judgment is soon upon us. Those who believe and follow Lord Jesus shall be with Lord God Almighty in all His Glory forever and ever.

    • It has been years since I mentioned Nathan Leal. And, I have a lot of disagreement with him on a number of subjects. I also acknowledge that your claims seem authentic. When my current book project is complete, I hope to do a review of my own material. I have mistakes that need to be examined. Thanks for that input, Annette. – JL


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