Escaping the Flat Earth Society

As we watch with horror at the unfolding of events in these Last Days, I have a reoccurring thought:

You need to escape the lies that blind.

Satan has beguiled so many of us into believing all kinds of foolishness. I know this because not that long ago, I had to get rid of some of the foolishness that I was holding as truth. And, I call all such believers in foolishness as:

Flat Earther

That’s right. If you believe in a Jewish conspiracy, you are a ‘Flat Earther’. If you believe that WTC Building 7 fell due to 9/11 terrorism, then you are a ‘Flat Earther’. If you believe that Islam worships that same god as Christianity, then yes, you are a ‘Flat Earther’. And, if you believe that the Earth is flat…


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Escaping the Flat Earth Society

I don’t have much time to watch/listen to video and audio interviews. Teaching two Bible classes, finishing the edit for Ezekiel’s Fire and doing research for these articles… well …it leaves me little time to be spending time to listen to ANYTHING. And yes, that includes the long-suffering woman who agreed to marry me not that many years ago.

Flat Earth Conspiracy Debate

But, a video kept popping up around those few interviews that I was able to watch, and it kept niggling at me… until I caved in and decided to watch it:

The Flat Earth Conspiracy Debate! Yes, Really.

YouTube shortlink:

I really like Stefan Molyneux. He is a man of integrity, and he treats people with respect.

Unfortunately, he’s an Atheist, which means that he’s on the road to eternal suffering, and I would love to spare him that. And, as an Atheist, he is limited in his ability to see what’s really happening. But, Stefan’s Atheism is not the point here.

The Flat Earth Conspiracy is the point.

I Am Appalled

As someone who had once devoted his life to the pursuit of science, I am appalled at the idea that anyone would believe that the Earth is flat. I am even MORE appalled that this belief is GROWING. And yes, you heard me right.

The belief in a Flat Earth is GROWING!

And. I. Just. Don’t. UNDERSTAND. Such. Insanity.

How is it possible that ANYONE would believe that the Earth is FLAT?! Unfortunately, I’ve been running into people who believe in all kinds of INSANE ideas for decades.

You Are A Flat Earther If…

Do you believe that…

…there’s a secret Jewish conspiracy of Khazars?

…Islam worships the same god as Christianity?

…Islam is a religion of peace?

…World Trade Center Building Seven collapsed due to terrorism?

…the Jesuits are merely the ‘intellectual’ arm of the Catholic Church?

…Christianity and Evolution are compatible?

…all Christians will be whisked away, before the Antichrist comes?

…the economy is doing great, and our financial future is bright?

…the Bible cannot possibly be true? (I could barely write that!)

…Israel is the cause of all the conflict in the Middle East?

…the Earth is flat?

If you believe ANY of those, YOU are a Flat Earther. I could throw up all kinds of evidence to disprove ALL of that, but it won’t matter to you. You believe what you believe, and you do not want to be confused with the facts.

Easier To Fool People Than Convince Them Of The Truth

Of course, it is possible that you might hold some of the above as true, but aren’t sure. I hope that this is the case, because it means that you MIGHT be willing to see the truth. But… I doubt it.

You see…

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. - Mark Twain
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
– Mark Twain

I’ve been banging my head against his principle for more than twenty years. Literally.

Since the 1990s, I’ve been writing about the truth of Israel and what the Arab-Israeli conflict is really all about. But, people would rather listen to the lies that they see on television, or in the newspaper.

Since 2011, I’ve been writing about the ever larger body of lies that have been afflicting our minds every single day and endangering our lives. But, trying to get people to see the truth is harder than convincing them to believe in a lie. And, deep down…

…I just don’t get it.

Yes, I understand that this is a part of God turning us over to the insanity that results from a sinful life, but it is just so bizarre. I do not understand why people who seem able to tie their shoes, walk upright and even drive a car…

…why is it so hard to see the stunningly obvious?

And, I’ve finally realized that such people believe that the Earth is flat.

Oh, it’s possible that some of these people haven’t gotten that far, yet. But, given time and space, I am convinced that they will come to the full faith the truth that the Earth really is flat and being carried about by a gigantic space turtle.

(Raise your hand if get the allusion.)

Some Flat Earthers You Might Know

One such Flat Earther is Sean Geoffrey Turnbull of SGTReport. You will notice that he never has an unkind word to say about Islam, and he hates Israel and the Jews with a consuming passion. And yes, I have been blocked from making comments on his website because I pointed that out one too many times.

And Sean claims to be a Christian.


Other Flat Earthers are David Icke, Brother Nathanael, Michael Rivero, many of the people at Veterans Today, and the US State Department. Unfortunately, some rather intelligent people are also afflicted with a bit of ‘Flat Eartherism’, like Paul Craig Roberts’ vehement hatred of Israel.

Guys, I lived in Israel for 15 years. I know what Israel is really like. And no, I’m NOT Jewish. In fact, I come from a long line of fanatic racists from BOTH sides of my family. It is only by the grace of God that I – and my family – are even able to say so much as a kind word about the Jews.

But, you can’t reason with a Flat Earther.

Why I keep trying is yet another mystery.

Proof The Earth Is Not Flat

Okay, so I started out with a debate about whether or not there is a Flat Earth, so let me offer proof that the Earth is NOT flat.

Qantas has a non-stop flight from Sydney to Santiago Chile that takes about the same amount of time as Los Angeles to Tokyo.

Don’t believe me?

Check it out for yourself:

There is absolutely no way that the Earth is flat. But, there is equally no way that I will convince you, because you are in love with your own view of reality.

What The Bible Says

The Bible has this to say about such things:

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

 – Isaiah 66:4

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 – 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

So, stop it with the Flat Earth. You know who you are.

Tom Horn & Steve Quayle on Hagmann & Hagmann Report

I also had some time to listen to Steve Quayle and Tom Horn on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report. You can listen to it here:

Tom Horn & Steve Quayle on The Official Hagmann & Hagmann Report – 11/17/15

YouTube shortlink:

The first hour will curl your hair. Seriously, what they are going to do to God’s Creation via gene engineering is horrifying.

You can also find the above here:

Possible Proof Of Rigged Elections

Oh, and here is a bit of proof that our elections are being rigged. Of course, they are spinning the fact that elections are turning out differently than polls are predicting… by saying that the polls weren’t done right.

No. The polls were right. It’s the elections that are wrong.

I’ve taken lots of classes in statistical analysis. Beyond a certain point, it’s hard to screw up a poll. So, my suspicion points to rigged elections.

How about you?

Here’s the article:

Riiight. High profile ‘misses’. Pull the other one!

Okay, so let’s get to this week’s research.




Here are this week’s articles. Some of the news is grim, very grim. My hope is that you are paying attention to what this means.


These are the articles that need a bit of extra attention and defy categorization.

DOJ Has Blocked Everyone In The Executive Branch From Reading The Senate’s Torture Report | Techdirt

If you want to know who’s in charge, just look at who cannot be criticized and whose budgets never get cut. When you find that group within government, then you know that they are at the top of the heap.

Quoting Voltaire:

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

Behold your master: The CIA.

“Self Control” by Laura Branigan: A Creepy 80’s Video About Mind Control – The Vigilant Citizen

Having studied MKULTRA, other forms of mind control and the Illuminati, I am startled to find how prevalent this was, even in the eighties.

The vilest of evils have been all around us for a very, very long time – and we had no idea.

Blind teacher loses job after rinsing his mouth with Listerine

This is sickening. An evil parent attacks a really wonderful teacher, and the school refuses to stand up for him.

I guess that both parent and school deserve each other. And, I wish that God gave me permission to pound heads over such evil.

School Threatens 4th Grader with Sexual Harassment Charges for Writing a Love Letter | The Daily Sheeple

THIS is yet another snapshot of the madness of our society – and why I am here in Taiwan, and not THERE.

God help us all.

The West ignores ‘apocalyptic Islam’ at its peril

I’m not completely certain where to put this. It goes under Israel. It goes under Islam. It connects with Iran and Syria.

Of course, all of it is important. All of it.

Joel C. Rosenberg Delivers Keynote Address at Jerusalem Leaders Summit – YouTube

This video is embedded in the above article, and it is an excellent speech by Joel Rosenberg. And, he does a great job of laying out the challenge of Apocalyptic Islam. It’s thirty nine minutes long, and worth every minute.

American Flag and Pledge of Allegiance Banned from Veterans Day Service

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. You can’t have an American flag or pledge allegiance. INSIDE A CHAPEL. On Veteran’s Day.

Facebook, UPS and Catholic Charities Are Accomplices In the Terrorist Invasion of America | Dave Hodges

This is a rather unsettling post by Dave Hodges. First, he reports on a missing Muslim ‘refugee’. Then, there are reports of people being flown in by UPS. It was a little unclear about WHO they were, but they did NOT appear to be US military – 30 bus loads. Third, there are people who are being reactivated out of retirement, for some kind of ‘national emergency’.

If we had a government that we could trust, I would wave these reports away as just coincidence. Unfortunately, we do NOT have a government that we can trust.

They’re Coming For Your Cash

Before now, eliminating cash would have been impossible. But, we’ve changed into a weak, cringing population. We’ve lost the source of our strength – God – so, we will allow this to happen.

Please turn off your television and wake up.

America Is Charlie Sheen: The CDC Says There Are 20,000,000 New STD Cases In America Each Year

If you can read this and NOT believe that a just God should destroy us… well …you would need your head examined. A third of all Americans have a sexually transmitted disease.


And we are adding 20 million new cases EVERY YEAR!

We’re not just horrifyingly immoral. We’re also stupid.

Who’s Winning The “War On Terror”? People Killed Worldwide By Terrorists Soars 80% In A Year

This is a MASSIVE increase in terrorism. I shudder to think what the future will bring.

Terrorists Once Used Refugee Program to Settle in US – ABC News

They caught these two guys.

How many more are out there?

Notice also that ‘security check’ that they went through. They were asked:

Did you ever engage in terrorism?

Right. As if a terrorist would say “YES”.


Here’s another report on eight Syrians that got caught crossing into Texas, from Mexico:

You can bet that there are hundreds more that they did NOT catch.

VA gets Shorted $2.6 Billion while Obama Admin Budgets $4.5 Billion on Syrians Migrants

How ironic. Obama takes away from veterans and gives to Muslim migrants.

I mean, is this the kind of thing that you are looking for in a country that you want to live in?


These are the articles that swept past my desk, about the ISIS attack on Paris.

Having lived for 15 years under threat of terrorist attack – every day – I am not surprised by this turn of events. But, I am shocked, and I hope that you understand the difference.

Our leaders have invited this evil into our midst, and they should be tried for being the treasonous traitors that they are.

BREAKING NEWS – The Time Has Come Where We Realistically Need To Think About Being Ready To Defend Ourselves

Actually, the most important thing is to get away from those areas most likely requiring you to defend yourself.

It’s called prudence, and it’s in short supply.

Paris attack sees 150 dead after Eagles of Death Metal concert hostages are killed | Daily Mail Online

Updated pictures and news about the attack and those who died. I am so sorry that all of this has come to Paris. I really am.

The Barbarians Are Inside, And There Are No Gates :: SteynOnline

Right. The barbarians aren’t at the gates.

They’re inside the city and rampaging through our streets.

What fools we have become. What fools.

The Truth About The Paris Terrorist Attack – YouTube

Stefan Molyneux is an athiest, but he’s a very likable Atheist. Furthermore, his Godless insanity doesn’t keep him from a rational discussion of the Paris Attack and the madness that brought rise to it.

This is twenty seven minutes and twenty three seconds anger, reason and rationality that I think that you need to hear.

Report: Paris Attacker Was Syrian “Refugee” Who Arrived in Greece Last Month

Here’s a bit of in-your-face irony that would normally belong in the MATTHEW 24:7 category.

ISIS said that they were going to send their fighters into Europe, as a part of this wave of migrants.

And, they did exactly as they said that they would.

At least one man linked to Paris attacks registered as refugee in Greece: police – Yahoo News

Hey, at least the guy registered as a ‘refugee’.

Islamic State releases video threatening more attacks on France

Unfortunately, I doubt that France is paying attention.

Map Shows What U.S. States Likely To Be The Next “Paris” – They Are Already Here

If you want to know where ISIS might strike next, here are the likely spots. And no, you won’t be able to stop them.

And, they’re already here.

Can You Hear Me Now? Paris Massacre: 160 Killed, Martial Law Declared, Borders Closed | Dave Hodges – The Common Sense Show

Here is what Dave Hodges had to say about the Paris Attack, and here is his perscription for preventing future attacks:


I would call this the truth, but it’s far too rational for America. We prefer madness.

ISIS Claims Responsibility, Calling Paris Attacks ‘First of the Storm’

More information on the ISIS connection to the attacks.

Remember that ISIS was brought to you by the CIA and Saudi Intelligence.

How The Turks Really Feel – A Moment Of (Un)-Silence | Zero Hedge

Shock: The Grand Lesson of the Paris Jihad | Raymond Ibrahim

A very good and interesting take on the Paris attacks. Here is a three paragraph quote:

The grand lesson is that such attacks must and will continue to multiply in severity. Why? Because Western nations, their leaders and media talking heads continue to be shocked and dismayed. As Judith Berman writes for the Gatestone Institute today:

One of the most surprising aspects of the terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday night is how “deeply shocked” members of the European political establishment appeared to be.

Angela Merkel, David Cameron and the Pope all expressed their condolences — and “deep shock” — at the well-coordinated, citywide terror attacks in six different places across Paris…

Here is his explanation:

What is truly shocking is that so many are still shocked. When someone is shocked, they are essentially saying they have no idea how a specific event, in this case yesterday’s Paris attack, came to pass.

Very good point. It means that this will continue until we see reason.

Of course, by then, it will be too late.

UK on alert as experts warn ISIS is using the PlayStation 4 network to plan attacks

This article contains this insane bit of information:

More than a week ago, a heavily-armed suspect was stopped in Germany on his way to Paris. Hidden in his car, police found a terrifying arsenal, including seven Kalashnikov assault rifles and seven hand grenades. The destination programmed into his satnav system was Paris but officers failed to alert anti-terror police. The 51-year-old driver, a Muslim from Montenegro, was arrested and held in custody but has refused to talk.

Madness. Absolute madness.

ISIS’ Paris attacks mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud boasts about crossing EU border

As I was reading this, I thought to myself…

Why do some in the alternative media want to lable this a false flag?

Then I realize that such people don’t really believe that Islam is as Satanic as you and I know. A death cult like Islam will ALWAYS produce atrocities like the Paris Attacks.

Eagles of Death Metal Paris fans smile before they’re murdered in ISIS gunmen attack

I guess that there is an element of irony that this attack happened at a ‘Death Metal’ concert. And, it happened as the ‘Eagles of Death Metal’ began their song, ‘Kiss the Devil’.

MASSIVE Ambulance TRUCK BOMB Found at Football Stadium (UPDATED) – The Washington Standard

Only 30 Paris Muslims in City of 224,000 Muslims Turn Out to Protest Bloody ISIS Attacks

Yup. The religion of peace. It’s lucky that we got even the 30.

Did you know that the siege of Paris by Muslims not only is justified in the Quran, it is encouraged?

David Wood is one of my favorite people, in part because of the amazing change that Christ has made in his life. He went from being one of the most evil men on the planet to being a wonderful brother in Christ.

Seriously, if you want to see the power of God to change a life, watch this:


I am continually amazed by people who whitewash Islam. I have my theories as to why people do this, but the simple fact is that people refuse to see the obvious. And, I just don’t understand that.

Liberals support Islam, but Islam stands for EVERYTHING that liberals are against. More and more Christians are piling on to the Chrislam bandwagon, not realizing that Islam thinks that they are fools.

We have truly gone insane.

Al Azhar and ISIS: Cause and Effect | Raymond Ibrahim

You can’t get more Islamic than Al Azhar, and Al Azhar says that ISIS is pure Islam.

How’s THAT for peace, love and understanding.

Radical Islam: The Invisible Enemy | Frontpage Mag

How utterly repugnant. And, if someone takes out Trump, one of these will be our next president – Hillary. Here is a quote from what Caroline Glick had to say:

Saturday night the three contenders for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination took to the stage in Iowa for a debate. The moderator asked them whether they would be willing to use the term “radical Islam” to describe the ideology motivating Islamic terrorists to massacre innocents. All refused.


Is it any wonder Muslims keep killing? | Examine Islam

Um… no. It’s no wonder at all – unless you live in the ‘civilized’ West, in which all of this is a complete wonder.

TheReligionofPeace – CAIR’s Hate Speech

Interesting. You can say the following, and CAIR will not sue you for hate speech:

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Why will Muslims be unable to label the above as Hate Speech?

Because they are almost word-for-word quotes from the Qur’an – with a judicious word replacement, or two.


The insanity of inviting Islam into our midst continues. And, the same political correctness that gave rise to this calamity is also creating false divisions. Eventually, all of this will boil over into open, inter-ethnic war. It will truly be the fulfillment of the words of Jesus in Matthew 24:7.

America Is Bowing Down to Sharia Law

The idea that America would do this is bizarre. We have taken a leave of our senses and chosen national suicide.

FBI Has Nearly 1,000 Active ISIS Probes Inside U.S. – Judicial Watch

We have this many ‘probes’, and we want to invite more in?



An Entire Multitude Of French Men, Enraged At The Islamic Slaughter Of French People, Enter Muslim Refugee Camp And Set The Whole Place On Fire – Walid Shoebat

We will be seeing more of this, especially since Europe has refused to stop these economic migrants from coming into the country.

Sweden Descends into Anarchy

Here are three quotes from this article:

“You have to understand that Swedes are really scared when an asylum house opens in their village. They can see what has happened in other places.” — Salesman for alarm systems.

Since Parliament decided in 1975 that Sweden should be multicultural and not Swedish, crime has exploded. Violent crime has increased by over 300% and rapes have increased by an unbelievable 1,472%.

“Are the State and I now in agreement that our mutual contract is being renegotiated?” — Alexandra von Schwerin, whose farm who was robbed three times. Police refused to help.

So, I have to wonder why the Swedes continue with this madness.

Have they lost their minds?

And, I must answer that question with an absolute YES.

SWEDEN: On the verge of collapse from the Muslim invasion, Swedes are arming themselves with hunting rifles

This link contains a video with the author of the above. Here’s a quote from the short writeup:

It has gotten so dangerous in Sweden, between the rapes, murders, and burglaries by Muslims, police can’t even respond to all the calls they get, telling people, instead, to get help from their neighbors.

New York Senator Wants to Take in 1.5 Million Muslim Migrants | Pamela Geller

If it’s good enough for Europe, it’s good enough for New York. Here’s a quote:

You see, here in deep blue New York, we hold ceremonial elections that mean nothing. The Democrat machine runs this state like its own private fiefdom, a la Tammany Hall.

So, it’ll happen, and you have no say in how it will happen. Welcome to Matthew 24:7, the insane American version.

As Paris Burned, Obama Was Ordering More Muslim Migrants To Be Admitted To U.S.

Hey, let’s turn our madness up to eleven. Yes, let’s do that.

In fact, we might as well give them automatic weapons and a target list.

Merkel Calls For “Tolerance” Towards Migrants After Paris Massacre

Merkel doubles down. What a fool.

Far-right protests break out across France

The Paris attacks have accellerated the rise of nation against nation.

Paris Terror Uniting East Europe Against Merkel’s Refugee Plan

I think that it’s insane for Germany to require the other countries of the EU to take in the migrants THAT THEY INVITED IN!!

The Swedish Tragedy | Frontpage Mag

To quote the subtitle:

One can only guess how bad it will get.

POLAND’s newly-elected conservative government says Syrian young men posing as ‘refugees should be sent back to Syria to fight for their country

Hey, what an idea. Send all those physically fit young men of military age that make up 75% of these migrants, and send them ‘back’ to Syria to fight ISIS.

Yes, let’s do that.

SYRIAN AMBASSADOR says: “MORE THAN 20% of ‘refugees’ pouring into the EU likely have ties to ISIS”

As a follow-on to the above… unfortunately, we might have to shoot some of them first.

Of course, it’s a little hard to tell the difference between a normal Muslim and an ISIS Muslim.

Operation Inherent Insanity – Obama’s Syrian Refugee Plan | US Defense Watch

Inherent insanity, indeed. We had this MASSIVE terrorist attack in Paris, and the POTUS wants to bring in more of the same.

PAUL WESTON: “Western politicians are aiding and abetting Islamic terrorism, murder, not to mention rampant gang rape of Western girls”

This is an excellent video, almost eight minutes long. Here’s a quote from the very short writeup:

Paul Weston, chairman of Liberty GB (in Britain), talks candidly about the attacks in Paris, and how our politicians are accessories to murder and complicit in the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians.

Articles: Why Muslim Migrants Always = Terrorism

And yes, it ALWAYS does. Not sometimes. Not often. ALWAYS.

At War – But Who With? | Examine Islam

You know, you can’t win a war, if you can’t identify the enemy. This article quotes from the Hadith:

The Messenger of Allah was asked about the best jihad. He said: “The best jihad is the one in which your horse is slain and your blood is spilled” (A Hadith cited by Ibn Nuhaas and narrated by Ibn Habbaan).

So, can you see the enemy better now?


Isaiah 17 is being fulfilled before our very eyes. It is disheartening to see the evil and violence happen, but it was foretold by God – via the pen of Isaiah.

It was bound to happen, but we are no less distressed to see it.

Jihadi John ‘killing’ wasn’t possible before Putin – ISIS obliteration down to Russia

The hypocrisy of the United States and NATO is beyond my capacity to adequately describe. Words like ‘revolting’ and ‘vile’ just don’t do it justice.

But, I will say that justice is coming for America. It really is.

Washington Fueling Syrian War With ‘High Octane Gasoline’

The US has been pouring gasoline on this fire for ten years – and lying about it.

Isn’t it nice to have such an evil government?

Next, they’ll be asking us to greet our ‘dear leader’ with a rousing, Sieg Heil!

Putin ‘to send 150,000 soldiers to Syria to WIPE OUT evil Islamic State’

This goes under the ‘I will believe it when I see it category’. I’m not sure that Russia is quite ready to make this move, but I’m also not on the ground there – so, we’ll see.

After Paris, Obama Sends ISIS Reinforcements by Freeing 5 Al Qaeda Terrorists

Of course, the UAE is one of the financial supporters of ISIS, so it makes sense.

So Far: Syrian Refugees in U.S. Include 2,098 Muslims, 53 Christians

Barack Obama called it shameful to want to prioritize Syrian Christians coming to the US. Well, I think that it’s disgraceful and a vile and disgusting evil that the Obama administration prioritizes Muslims, over Christians. What an evil and disgusting president. He should be ashamed of himself. And, we should be ashamed of ourselves for electing him.

D.C. Refuses to Arm Persecuted Christians Fighting ISIS | Raymond Ibrahim

America doesn’t want to bring in the persecuted Christians from Syria. And now, they don’t want to give them enough arms and ammunition to defend themselves.

This sounds an awful lot like when the Jews wanted to flee Germany under the Nazis. We didnt want to let them into the US. And, we didn’t want to intercede on their behalf.

So, we let Germany murder them.

And, we’re doing it again.

Russia and France wreak revenge on ISIS with missile strikes in Syria

The news of ISIS being pounded is music to my ears. May it continue until each one of them goes to meet God.

“There’s No Such Thing As ISIS”: Journalist Destroys West’s Terror Narrative, Warns Of Crackdown On “Dissidents”

Unfortunately, there really IS not ISIS. It’s just the CIA, Turkey and the Gulf Arabs.

Are ‘We’ Bombing The Wrong Country?

You’ll notice that the US is the fourth largest source for pro-ISIS tweets.

Russia Explains To Clueless US Public Why Obama Can’t Defeat ISIS

Thirty years ago, my teenage self would not have understood why this article could be true in ANY way.

But now, I see that the Russians are the only adults in the room.

ISIS suffers heavy losses as Russia’s airstrikes in Syria continue

Isn’t it fascinating that Russia could actually do so much damage in three days, when America just couldn’t seem to do ANYTHING?

Do you smell hypocrisy here?

Um… no …it’s worse than that.

It’s outright evil. It’s America PROTECTING ISIS!

Did you get that?

Your taxes are going to support ISIS – the same ISIS that is raping, torturing and murdering our brothers and sisters in Christ.


Here’s another look at Russian strikes against ISIS oil infrastructure:


The war of words against Israel must stop. It is evil. It is sick. It is against God.

The criticism aimed at Israel is false, and it is a lie. I get tired of fighting these lies, partly because they are based upon the hatred of God in the hearts of those making up these lies.

The bigger question is whether YOU will believe the lying liars, or the truth.

The choice is yours.

False Friends: The Global War Against Israel

This is an excellent article. I was in Jerusalem when Rabin was murdered. In fact, I remember what I was doing: painting the enclosed balcony of my apartment. It was a terrible moment, and a scar upon the psyche of Israel.

But, worse than his assassination, was the grand mistake that Rabin made, by bringing in Yasser Arafat and the PLO. Arafat was a truly evil man and a consumate liar. And, that lying liar brought even more death and destruction upon Israel – and upon the Palestinians.

Arafat killed far more of his own people, than Israel ever killed.

Latest Palestinian Innovations: The Grandmother-Terrorist, the Lone-Wolf Child

The interesting part of all this is that Israelis have avoided the idea that this isn’t a conflict between Arab and Jew. They want to think of is as an Arab-Israeli conflict, but it isn’t.

It’s a Muslim conflict, and the Muslims will allow only one survivor.


For the past twenty-plus years, I have been saying that what happens in Israel will happen elsewhere in the world.

Well, welcome to ‘elsewhere’.


The growing alliance between Iran and Russia points to how close the coming of Gog and Magog is. And, these articles are another indicator of that closeness.

Putin vows payback after Kremlin confirms bomb downed Russian plane over Egypt

Assuming that Russia is Gog/Magog, this is yet another hook in his jaws. The question in my mind is how many more hooks will we need before Russia is drawn further into the Middle East.

Putin Confirms Egypt Plane Crash Due To Bomb Explosion, Offers $50 Million Reward For Info On Terrorists

It sounds like Russia isn’t as gung ho about attacking ISIS more than they already are. They waited a really long time to make this determination. Of course, it might just be a Russian characteristic to wait for such proclamations until everything has been revealed.

Anyway, if anyone doubts that this is a hook in the jaw of Gog… well, you’ve got your head planted firmly in the sand.

The Saudis Are Stumbling (And They May Take The Middle-East Down With Them)

Since the Saudis are backing ISIS, I’m wondering about what the Russians are planning for our sheikhs in Riyadh. A little implosion of the Saudi kingdom would look real nice to Putin and friends.

In fact, with all the evil that they’ve done to Israel, I’m kinda looking forward to the collapse of the House of Saud.


There are days when I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. So, let’s try a little laughter.

Really, these are tears of joy.

Bernie Sanders ‘Reveals’ The Real Cause Of Terrorism… Climate Change

Right. Terrorism. Caused by ‘climate change’. And, this guy is running for President of the United States.

I think that we need to start instituting an IQ test, along with the background checks – before letting people like this run for President. Is it too late to get a refund on my Passport?

ISIS Goes Full “Jackass”, Tries To Shoot Down Fighter Jet With Pickup Truck Machine Gun

Okay, this really had me laughing. In fact, I was laughing so hard, my wife came over to see what was so funny. Of course, you also have to read the captions in the video. As I write this, I’m still laughing.

Who knows?

The captions might even be an accurate translation.

Humpday Humor: Obama’s “Very Rigorous” Syrian Refugee Entrance Form

Unfortunately, this is literally what he means, when Obama says ‘Very Rigorous Security Checks’.

And, I think they bounced.


I’m not sure if this should be a new category or not. But, the absolute madness that sweeps through our world is beyond comprehension and collossally stupid.

Rebel Planet Dispatch: The West Has Become Too Stupid To Survive

Well said, Marcel. Very well said. We have embraced mind-numbing stupidity, and it is beyond my ability to understand, except that I think it rises from a worship of the only god that a godless humanist can accept: humanity.

If you say that human beings are ‘basically good’, then you are forced to embrace all forms of human stupidity.

How utterly insane.

The new Gulag Archipelago on our college campuses | US Defense Watch

I remember the stupidity that I had to endure as a university student, so this insanity doesn’t surprise me.

Why we keep sending our beloved children to such Hellholds is beyond comprehension. If you love your children, keep them from such foolishness.

The Cultural Revolution Comes to America’s Campuses | Diary of a Mad Voter

This kind of thing makes you want to just scream. We send our impressionable kids to a place where the professors have never lived in the real world, and then we’re suprised with the results.

We need to tear down our universities and start over. Completely over.

The Rise of the College Crybullies – WSJ

You don’t need to read the whole article. In fact, I’m not sure that you can, unless you are a Wall Street Journal subscriber.

Actually, all that you really need is the title.

It contains a new term:


I like it. In fact, I’ll be using it.

Sorry, kids: A real movement needs more than hurt feelings

Right. My feelings are hurt. So, let’s all go insane. Over hurt feelings.

These kids need to be in a safe place, where they can’t get out.

Modern Educayshun – YouTube

Unfortunately, it is the truth in this video that is both horrifying and the predicter of the future.

Geller: The West Has Lost the Will to Live

This is the condition of our civilization. We have lost our willingness to survive. We no longer have a raison d’etre – a reason for being. What we have is an endless desire for self-gratification, without purpose.

What is your purpose in life, if all that you have is your pornography collection and Monday night football?

College Campuses & “Safe Spaces” – Circling The Drain Of The Sanity Toilet | Zero Hedge

It’s the attack of the crybullies! RUN! Social Justice Crybullies!

Help! Help! My feelings are being hurt! Microaggressions! I’m being invalidated! Delegitimized!

I’m using exclamation marks! You can have some too! (!!!!)

Authoritarian Leftist “Activists” Demand The End Of Free Speech, Extensive Re-Education

Someone has been doing too much weed. I find these infantile ‘crybullies’ to be beyond comprehension.

Is it the lack of homework?

Mothers doing drugs while pregnant?

Maybe these are all flat-earthers from Capricorn?

This bizarre behavior is… well …like something from another planet.

Can the TSA find hidden weapons? Rossen Reports goes undercover –

And, since we are on the subject of mind-numbing stupidity… the TSA cannot capture 75% of weapons that people attempt to take onto a plane.

Yet, we still fund the TSA.

Could someone please find an adult to supervise all this?


These are the stories that should try the soul of everyone who is vulnerable to the collapse of our economy and financial system. And, if you have money in the bank… a pension… a mortgage… you should pay attention.

This collapse is for you.

US Freight – Trucking, Rail, all of it – Goes to Heck

This should be like a huge red flag, waving in your face. Please do not ignore this.

If you are invovled in any activity that requires a strong economy to be successful… then prepare for failure.


Actually, I have the answer:


Please get this into your head – if it isn’t already there:


The Last Two Times Business Inventories Were This High Relative To Sales, The US Was In A Recession | Zero Hedge

I thnk that the title says it all. The real question is whether we are/will be in a Depression, or a Recession.

Copper Is Crashing In China

This is a sign that manufacturing has collapsed. I really, Reallly, REALLY hope that you are ready for this.

Baltic Dry Index Crashes Near Record Low

And… there goes the BDI again. Look at the graphs in this article.

When did we see ANYTHING like this before?

Right. 2008.

Does that tell you anything?

As Of Today, The Baltic Dry Freight Index Has Never Been Lower

And then… on Thursday …the Baltic Dry Index went even lower… to its lowest.

I hope that you understand that this means that – at the very minimum – a raging recession.

Of course, I believe that it’s a Depression, and it will only get worse.


When the police can get away with murder, then you have martial law. When your politicians can get away with murder, you have martial law. When you have law after law after law after law… with no ability to challenge these laws… then you have martial law.

The only thing that we lack is an official name for it. But, that’s coming.

Family of man who died after police use Taser release video of arrest – YouTube

We are allowing police to murder people using tasers. They tasered this guy 23 times.


And, nothing will be done to these officers. Nothing.

Supremes hang free-thinking Marine out to dry

I remember when this happened, and the fact that the Supreme Court has upheld this behavior is revolting. This is beyond my ability to comprehend, from people who apparently believe in freedom.

Welcome to your new masters, America.

Police Civil Asset Forfeitures Exceed The Value Of All Burglaries In 2014

The police are confiscating more money and assets from people than criminals are stealing. In 2014, criminals stole $3.9 billion and the police stol… I mean, confiscated $4.5 billion.

The question now is about who is more dangerous to you, the police or the criminals?

Right now, it’s kind of a toss-up.

American Police Kill 3 People Per Day, Over 1000 So Far In 2015

Are you getting tired of police thugs killing innocent people, every day?

You are?

Well, get used to it, because you live under martial law.


I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
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A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.Proverbs 22:3


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180 thoughts on “Escaping the Flat Earth Society”

  1. Brother John,
    I don’t believe the election results are valid in the US since the electronic voting machines were brought in. No way to verify, no paper trail.

    But , if they are valid, the truth is Evangelical Christians decided they would rather have a Muslim president than vote for a Mormon.

    I recommend everyone read “The Islamic AntiChrist” by Joel Richardson. Best book on Islamic eschatology I ever read.

    The earth is round, Columbus.

    Thank you as always for your testimony and insight. I have yet to find a flaw in your reasoning. I wish people were still capable of independent rational thought.

  2. While the Christian church reject biblical principals, many scientific views have become main stream to Christians. Foremost has been evolution in varies comprised positions, like pre Adamic Age, old earth, etc…. anything but the biblical 6 day creation. Christian seem to adopt worldly beliefs base on science falsely called as if it is gospel.
    The Devil is very subtle in his long emplaced conspiracies, many if not most instituted by the Catholic Church, ie….. Jesuits.
    As I see it, the Flat Earth teaching, has been established and growing for a reason that many Christians are so unaware of because of other delusions that have already be deceived by: and that is the new heliocentric false science introduced by the Catholic Church around the 15 century and nearly excepted by the main stream churches in the last 70 years.
    The Bible is indisputably Geocentric in all its teachings, yet the backlash again the unbiblical heliocentric teaching has been growing; so what does the Devil do bring in the Flat Earth teach to counter the return back to the biblical Geocentric teaching.
    In some ways the Flat Earth teaching in similar to the geocentric position in that they hold the earth is still and the sun moves; and this is close enough to confuse some Christian to think if you believe the biblical Geocentric position you must be a Flat Earther, the devil is very subtle and wickedly wise.

    • Hi Jacob Law,

      I’m afraid that you have it all upside down. The Catholics MURDERED people who believed in Heliocentrism. And, there is NOTHING IN THE BIBLE that speaks of Geocentrism.


      Geocentrism speaks of a disordered Universe, and God is not the Author of disorder.

      To put it another way, Mathematics glorifies God, because it proves that God has established order, instead of Chaos. God’s Creation is far more magnificent than such meager ideas as Geocentrism.

      In fact, the idea that the Earth is the center of the Universe is supremely arrogant.

      I will choose humility before my Creator over arrogance.

      Thank you, Jacob.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • hey m8 ,nice article thanks even i don’t totaly agree ,i thing that …
        “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”
        …Mark Twain says work both ways and most of the FE “reserchers” taking advantage of the absence of proof (look nasa,etc) ,we don’t know what is out there and sciences such as mathematics, physics, chemistry, geometry,,, not guarantee if applicable outside earth so from my point of view we know s…@t

  3. “I don’t have much time to watch/listen to video and audio interviews.”

    If you had more time to watch/listen to videos and audio reviews, like I do, perhaps you’d come to the same conclusion as I have: Yahweh’s Earth is stationary and flat.

    In your spinning global heliocentric model, where does the “firmament” of Genesis 1:6 come into play? And the sun and the moon, that were set inside the firmament and moving around the Earth?

    Charles Fockaert

    • Hi Charles Fockaert,

      I am amazed that you are able to claim such an incredible understanding of this word ‘firmament’. The original Hebrew merely indicates ‘foundation’. Nothing more.

      It seems to me that your view of the magnificence of God’s creation is very limited, which is a shame.

      When David said that the ‘Heavens declare the glory of God’, he understood that the Universe was amazing. Your view is ‘not-so-much’, and that’s a shame.

      My God is magnificent, Charles. How about yours?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • I’ve only begun to read the responses to this flat earth thing, and already wonder how much of it is tongue-in-cheek baiting of the longsuffering Mr. Little?? Somewhere in the Bible, and I can’t find it right now, there is a verse to the effect of “the earth rolls upon her wings in glory” which gives the impression of something round that rotates and travels thru space, impressive that someone could understand that before gravity or much else had been discovered and explored. I wonder if some of these people think there are literal gates up there somewhere, that God opens in order to let the water out so it can rain. It doesn’t come from the transpiration cycle. There are fountains up there in the sky, and God has to open the gates so the water can come down.

        How on earth is God supposed to communicate with humankind 6,000 years ago, except in simplistic terms they could relate to? Even now – we know more about science but still our understanding is nothing compared to God’s.

        Some of this just seems too ridiculous to respond to….

        • Heresy is NOT allowed???

          The quoted verse is NOT in the Bible.
          It is a Doctrine of devils.

          Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet at Kirtland, Ohio, December 27 and 28, 1832, and January 3, 1833.

          45 The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God.

          • Hi MM,

            DRG has demonstrated himself to be a true brother in Christ, so I doubt that he would knowingly quote heresy.

            Furthermore, good ol’ Joe Smith might be stealing from another text that DRG might have heard someone talk about. (Joe was quite the thief.)

            So, if it is heresy, it is a far more harmless kind that we would do well not to take exception to. Even good ol’ Joe can say a thing or two that isn’t heretical.

            Thank you, MM.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  4. That was a rather weak objection to the flat earth. Yes everybody, please do watch the Stephen Molyneux video. He’s the new champion of atheism and rationalism (to keep that fraud going for as long as necessary), replacing Richard Dawkins, who fell from grace after admitting to intelligent design (see 2008 Ben Stein clip). Molyneux is the new Christopher Hitchens, albeit much more suitable to this generation of universalism. But I digress. Yes, watch his video and see how he spins what the caller is saying. The caller is essentially saying that the Flat Earth is testable, but Molyneux patronizingly attributes his views to a religious view. And the Flat Earth is testable, which is scientific. Nowhere in all the material that I’ve watched or read on the Flat Earth, does the “turtle” come up, save here Mr. Little. So please everybody, while Mr. Little is too busy occupied with other things to objectively debate the argument, do yourself a service and thoroughly look at both side of this debate with an open mind. I guarantee you’ll be surprised. But alas, you’ll never print this Mr. Little, will you? 36 hours for comments? Really? And no heresy – and who is the final arbiter of that?

    • Hi Tom Sinclair,

      Oh dear… I would never ‘print this’?

      I have a responsibility towards God to keep true heresy out of this website. Other kinds of foolishness are allowed. Even arrogant comments.

      You must have a very dim view of God. Even Stephan, in the video, acknowledges the possibility that he could be wrong about God, which I find to be interesting.

      But yes, the Flat Earth IS testable. In fact, I just proved it wrong in the article. And, Pythagoras proved that the Earth is round by simple mathematics.

      The calculation of long range artillery tables proves that the Earth is curved – as does the engineering of long bridges.

      The list of proofs for the existence of a globe-shaped Earth is HUGE.

      But, I am fascinated by this Flat Earth psychosis. And yes, it is a psychosis, because you completely refuse to acknowledge the completely obvious. If we didn’t live in such perilous times, I would investigate this further.

      However, I DON’T have the time for this and only raised the point of a ‘Flat Earth Society’ as an example for other kinds of psychoses.

      Thank you, Tom.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Not to mention….. if the earth WERE flat, there would be a definite edge to it. Which one could fall off of, as they used to think. So if the earth is flat, why has no one ever got anywhere near these edges on all sides, taken pictures, posted them on facebook, and then fallen off??? Into what? What would be the source of gravity that would pull you down if you went over the edge? And what is down there?

        • Maybe they did and no one was left to tell the tale!
          I suppose all of the pictures taken from outer space are faked? done in a studio somewhere? of course, if they could do it for the moon landings . . .then, well . . . With all the nonsense going on in the world, I find this debate quite amusing – bread and circuses anyone?

      • Well you apparently have time (and respect) for the atheist Molyneux. Why not, just for the sake of showing how silly us Flat Earthers are, post Eric Dubay’s video, “200 proofs for a flat earth”. You obviously have no objection to promoting an atheist, which I might point out atheism as an obvious heresy (which you propse you are the gatekeeper of). So what’s the harm in giving play to another unbeliever, just with an opposing view?

          • Condemnation without examination, is the height of ignorance.
            Attributed to Albert Einstein

            He who answers a matter before hearing it, it is folly and shame to him.
            The Bible

          • Prove it. For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open. Biblical teaching is the earth is FLAT.

          • Hi lisa,

            I have offered proof after proof after proof after proof. But, Flat Earthers refuse to even listen to it. There is no proof in the Bible that there is a Flat Earth. NONE. Nada. Zip. What Flat Earthers offer is a distorted view of what the Bible says.

            You even go so far as to deny the witness of brothers and sisters in Christ who have flown over the South Pole! And, those who have flown from Australia to Chile.

            You are caught in a delusion, Lisa. And, you reject the witness of the Body of Christ.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  5. John, there’s a simple explanation for the lunacy of Israel-hatred: it’s satanically inspired. It’s a spiritual thing, and has nothing to do with intellect or rationality. And yes, no one who calls himself a Christian can be excused for hating Jews or Israel. He’s just calling down cursing upon himself. (There, I used the masculine pronoun three times in two sentences. Take that, PC nazis!)
    But–as I was saying: I really don’t want to be on the wrong side of THAT promise of God! I’d really rather bless Israel and be blessed.

      • Thanks, John. Let me wade into the flat-earth dispute with a “proof” of my own that doesn’t seem to have been mentioned.
        If you look at a map, you’ll notice there are horizontal lines (parallels) and vertical lines (meridians) drawn on it. These are marked in degrees from a starting point. Degrees are 1/360th of the circumference of a circle.
        Now, one thing you might notice, if the map covers a large enough area, is that the meridians get closer and closer together as you go away from the equator. That’s because the circles (sections of the sphere) that they measure get smaller and smaller with increasing latitude. You can test that on the ground by means of your own observation or with sunrise/sunset tables.
        Also, you might notice that the degrees of latitude are always 69 miles apart. As you go north or south from the equator, the distance between them stays the same. This would only work for a sphere, not a planar surface. On a planar surface, the distance between them would grow greater and greater with increasing distance from the equator.
        If the earth is not a sphere, then all the navigational techniques we’ve been using for centuries would not be valid. But they are valid, and they do work. BTW, even the pagans who built Stonehenge (some of whom were probably my ancestors–God is gracious) were aware of these things!
        I’m one of those odd ducks that actually does notice things like this. My wife and I have traveled to many places in North America, Europe, and Asia, and I always note the latitude and height of the sun. Weird, eh?
        Hope this is useful. Whoops! It’s noon now, which means sun noon will be in eight minutes! 🙂

  6. I take it you do not believe in the Rapture.
    In the book of Daniel it talks about the 70 weeks. 69 of those weeks have been fulfilled. The times of Jacob trouble …Jacob is Israel.
    For 483 years God tried to reconcile the Jews to himself. But because of their unbelief God turned to the Gentiles. The 70th week has not been yet filled. All of the 70 weeks are about the Jews only!
    When the Rapture takes place (the Church has left this earth) and the time of the Gentiles is up God again turns to the Jews for the 70th week. This 7 year tribulation is all about the Jews and the Jews only.
    The 70th week will make the 490 years and God Will Reconcile the Jews back to himself. He forgave them 490 times.
    Peter ask Jesus if he forgave someone 7 time that should be enough.
    Jesus said No you have to forgive them 70×7 which equals the 490 years God forgave His stiff neck people, the Apple of His Eye. Israel 70×7.
    Don’t be deceived the Rapture will happen soon, don’t get left behind.

  7. Since you fancy yourself as a man of science, why don’t you publicly discuss the physics of this:

    Just because Dubay may not be a Christian, doesn’t mean what he’s presented is untrue. The fact is, curvature can be calculated. And while your at it, why don’t you bring Rob Skiba’s very objective examination into the light if Omega Shock day.

    I know guys like you, Missler, Hovind, etc., have a lot invested in the secular science and cosmological views, and that it would be a huge piece of humble pie if the earth turned out to be flat, but humility is the essence of Christianity – no?

    And lastly, why not unwind the occultism of those who brought us the spherical earth in the first place, namely Coperinicus, Kepler, Newton and Galileo. And of their grandchild, Werner Von Braun and his lying occult, Freemasonic JPL and NASA.

    Do you love the truth enough to give fair examination to the Flat Earth?

  8. Hi John,

    I’ve been a subscriber to your blog for about a year now. I’ve enjoyed and appreciated your research and view points. I have a question on the flat earth topic. I noticed in your blog you didn’t really refute a flat earth view point with any Biblical evidence. You just categorized all those who believe the “theory” with loons like David Icke. Could you please address the topic with biblical proof that supports a spinning globe. It seems God would have taken the time to give us at least one scriptural verse to show us He created a spinning globe. But instead we are given verse after verse proofs of a geocentric universe with an immovable earth that has pillars, corners and a protective firmament. I respect your view points John. I’m just researching and always looking for truth. I love The Lord and take His word literally.
    Blessings to you,

    • Hi Brenda Elwood,

      We have Psalm 19 – which points us towards a magnificent Creation. A geocentric Universe is a puny thing that does NOT demonstrate how great God is.

      Please understand that a Flat Earth magnifies man. A spherical Earth Magnifies God.

      A Flat Earth is all about disorder and magic. A spherical Earth is about science and God.

      True science magnifies God.

      I can prove that the Earth is a globe all day long, but it doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether you love the truth.

      The Flat Earth theory has grown because people no longer love the truth, which is why I am talking about it. Our only safety is in the TRUTH, not in convenient lies.

      And yes, The Flat Earth is a convenient lie.

      Thank you, Brenda.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  9. Maybe you should re-read Genesis chapter one and explain how science says we spin around the sun yet God tells us he didn’t make the sun till day 4! How is that?? Maybe you don’t know as much about the bible as you think. God doesn’t want us believing man nor our own knowledge but HIS. If you are suffering from ball delirium you need to go back to the bible with the clear mind of a child instead of a deluded mind of science. Tell me how we are God’s Footstool built on a round ball foundation??? I don’t know of a single building built on a ball foundation, All are built on solid flat foundations! Many bible references in the geocentric book of God!!

    I find it difficult to continue to read and follow articles by people claiming to believe the bible and believe GOD but don’t believe in the actual words of His book! Either you believe in ALL of God’s truth or you believe in Science, serving two masters….God and Science does not work. Which one are you loving Science or God??

    • Hi Debra,

      So you must not believe this verse:

      The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. – Psalm 19:1

      The Universe is a truly magnificent creation of God. And, it is the wonder of this Creation that has led many to God.

      But, the god of the Flat Earth is a puny person with a puny creation. Furthermore, a true Flat Earther believes in a god of chaos and magic – because that is the only way that a Flat Earth would work.

      I’m sorry Debra, but your fascination with such lies is not going to help you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • I believe every word of GOD and do not worship science. Science is a false prophet believed by un-Godly men. The bible is clear on not leaning to the understanding of men….our knowledge is nothing to God’s understanding. To be born again means to receive a new heart and new understanding…GOD’s understanding not what we have been taught at school by un-Godly men and we must re-read the words of God in this new and unbiased way…taking the bible literally. How does science explain the sun standing still in Joshua 10 verse 12? The word of God refers to God’s footstool in many places throughout. I cannot understand how one can claim the truth of GOD without going to the very beginning of knowledge in Genesis chapter 1 where there is no mention of God sending the creation spinning into space!! The earth is established that it not be moved!! Jesus says if we deny Him, he will deny us to His Father. To deny the truth of His creation (both earth and man) is to deny Him…..Be careful whom you are serving. It takes way more faith to believe in science than God!! Please consider this as it would be a shame for one to perish simply because they denied the truth of the created earth. Also how does every eye see the return on a ball??

      • John, With all due respect, you should choose your words wisely when talking about The Almighty God. He is not puny. Calling God puny is getting close to the line, if not crossing it.

  10. John

    I really enjoy Your information and your research is usually great, However I watched the video of the debate above and it seems to Me that the guy asking the questions is not asking the right questions or flawed questions so the answers are also flawed!
    I am not completely convinced either way yet but I am searching for the so called curve and I have taken a transit to Klamath Lake in Or and I do Not find any curve, in fact the Lake is Level, FLAT, since it is 26 miles long it should have 450.6 foot curve (drop) and it is not there, Math is Math.
    26x26x8/12 =450.6
    I have been a Licensed Contractor is Ca for 20 years and I am extremely proficient with a transit.
    My question is if I am unable to find a curve in a 26 mile long lake why would one assume the ocean to be different, clearly water seeks it’s own level, My Next adventure I will go to the pacific ocean and look for the curve on the shore and I will send the resulta I will attempt a 100 mile distance, and that should be a drop of 6666.6 feet let’s see if I am able to discover it.

    • Since you are in or going to Oregon, might as well drive to Depot Bay and walk in the Whale Watching Center. They tell you about how far you can see (approx 11 miles on a clear day). I’ve been there several times myself. Given your stated qualifications you should understand this bit of algebra
      relating to distance and radius. d2 + R2 = (R+h)2. Warning: SPOILER ALERT! Its already been discovered…lots.

    • Earl,
      I grew up near Lake Erie. Lake Erie is about 60 miles wide where I normally view it, and you CAN’T see the other side from the shoreline. It might as well be the ocean. 60 miles is a little more than double the 26 for the length of Klamath Lake, so the curvature is more apparent. Also, and this is important, Lake Erie’s shoreline on the opposite site is considerably lower than Klamath Lake’s. BTW, you CAN see the other side if you get up in a building like the Terminal Tower in Cleveland. The best time is at night so you can see the lights. Sometimes the haze in the day makes it hard to distinguish.
      Another proof for the sphericity of the earth is great-circle routes. These are routes taken by airline pilots. They are formed by the plane intersecting both points on the surface and the center of the earth. These routes are proven to be the shortest distance between two points on the earth’s surface. If the earth were flat, a straight line drawn on a map would be the shortest distance. But it’s not, by repeated and repeated trial. Great circle wins. And yes, they’re even better than traveling along a parallel of latitude for two points in the same latitude, say, Pittsburgh and Madrid (bet you didn’t know those two were in the same latitude, did you?). Or Portland OR and Montreal. Unless the parallel is the equator, the circle is not a great circle. Travel along meridians IS the shortest way north and south, because all meridians are great circles. Check it out.

  11. My bank, which is a small local branch bank, already has money control going on. You can’t use your debit card for more than $2,000 with their permission. Then they lift the limit for that day only. This is for all customers. They said only the manager canlift the limit perminently, and completly at his descretion.

    Time for a new bank. The large natinoal bank I used to use does not do that.

  12. We have been posting your information for a long time and love your reply to the pre-tribbers about the Rapture. You do yourself a great disservice and to your readers to not exam the many scriptures where God declared that the earth is built on a foundation that does not move, that it has pillars below it and even that he put up a wall around it, which they have now found is 10,000 ft unpenetrable ICE WALL. Did you know that all the nations have signed a treaty not to talk about it? It is Antarctica which goes all the way around the earth. John, God designed earth that way; yes it is round NOT a ball but like a dinner plate.

    Plus He put a globe over it which proves that NASA has been lying through their teeth declaring they have been to the moon, etc. Rob Skiba set out to prove the Flat Earthers were nuts: he put time and effort into finding out the truth and let the Bible speak for itself. Please John, this is an issue that needs for you to take the time to investigate it’s Truth since you claim for yourself to be a Truth Seeker and a lover of his Word.

    Thank You, Gerlinda

    • Hi Gerlinda,

      I appreciate your posting of my articles, but I must always tell the truth. Always.

      If you knew science, then you would see the ‘pillars’ and ‘foundations’. The Flat Earth movement minimizes God and magnifies man.

      True science speaks of a God who reigns over His creation with orderliness, and not chaos. God is a God of Law and not foolish magic.

      No one has proved that the Earth is flat. But, I have proved to you that the Earth is a globe.

      You must love the truth, Gerlinda.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John, I truly respect the fact that you believe in your position, but I’m still trying to figure out how you think the Biblical creation model minimizes God. How does it minimize God? The Biblical creation model, by default, requires a creator. There is no room for the big bang, There is no room for chance. There is no room for evolution. There is a huge amount of testimonies regarding the fact that sworn atheists are rethinking their atheism after realizing the actual truth about the earth. Some are coming to the very God that you claim is being minimized. Even in the above video that I watched all the through Stefan admits that the flat earth requires a maker. After coming to the realization that the earth is as the Bible says I am free to take the Bible literally. If you believe the heliocentric model you cannot take the Bible literally. That is impossible, because there are passages that you cannot reconcile. I know, I was there.

          • What proof? one airline route? Did you fly that route? Do you know that route exists by personal experience? You cannot prove this flight exists unless you personally fly it, non-stop. What flight is that you are talking about anyway? Do you have a Qantas flight number? I will research it. Let’s go on to scripture. What is the firmament that the sun moon and stars were placed inside of on creation day 4? Remember, you are taking the Bible literally. After checking the Hebrew word and it’s root word you can come to no other conclusion than a dome. Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still. He did not command the earth to stop rotating, which would have been a geological catastrophe. Remember, you are taking the Bible literally. God gave Hezekiah the sign of a prolonged life by causing the sun to return 10 degrees backward. He did not say He would cause the earth to spin backward 10 degrees. Remember, you are taking the Bible literally. Every eye shall see the return of Jesus. That is impossible on a sphere. Remember, you are taking the Bible literally. Satan took Jesus to a high mountain to show him all the kingdoms of the earth. If you are taking the Bible literally a flat earth is required. The heliocentric model is based on disorder and chaos. The enclosed flat earth is based on order. If you cannot see geocentricity in the Bible you have shut yourself off to the truth. There are more proofs of the earth being a stationary enclosed plane than it does being a sphere. There is absolutely no proof of a spherical earth in the Bible. If the Bible proves the earth is a sphere where is your proof? I did not believe the earth is flat until I saw it in the Bible. Forgive me but you are either blind or you are to heavily invested in the “christian” version of the godless heliocentric model that you cannot even consider taking the position of the truth. Respectfully – DS

          • Hi Don,

            You demand that I fly this route, yet you offer no proof of your own – other than your own biased interpretation of the Bible.

            You have NO EVIDENCE that the Earth is flat. No pictures of the Edge. Nothing.

            Yet, you demand that I believe you, rather than good sense and the observations of others. The list of evidence proving that the Earth is a globe is enormous. And you have no proof at all. NONE.

            I wrote this article to prove a point. Not about the Flat Earth, but about those who cling to theories – even though the evidence points in a different direction. Pretribbers, WTC 7, Jewish Conspiracies, Khazars, Chrislam, and on and on. All of you have the same quality of ignoring all evidence that contradicts your pet theory.

            Don, you need to wake up. You must love the truth, or perish.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  13. John
    I am endlessly looking for someone who will publish the fact that in CO there is a judge and her live-in “Partner” who are and have been conspiring together to deprive children of their fathers. This has been going on for years and will continue unless I can get some coverage from the alternative media, no takers as of yet. I am in the process of suing the duo and will go on the record with any info requested.
    This judge is an LBGT activist and is incredibly biased against all men who are so unlucky to get her as their ‘judge’. The GF is the evaluator the judge uses to ‘confirm’ her ‘findings’ of guilt.
    The whole thing is a mockery of the Constitution but moreover, a slap in the face of the God who made fathers. When the opposite happens (Utah) and the LBGT community is on the other end of the judge the news is on it like a rabid dog but when it happens to Christians, EVEN THE CHRISTIAN MEDIA IS SILENT, THIS IS SICKENING! I have emailed every Christian news media I can find on the web and have had only one response and even that has now been a week since I last heard from the site. Why does no one wish to report on something this abominable? The consortium has been admitted on the record.

    • Hi MTG,

      Unfortunately, it is hard to stay abreast of such things, but I am more than willing to help.

      If you have news links to give to me, put them in the comment section, and I will post them. Even better, I will promote them.

      Also, reach out to Steve Quayle.

      However, because our fight is so big, we are forced to concentrate on the biggest conflicts. It doesn’t mean that we do not care. The problem is that there are so few of us in the fight… well …we’re limited.

      So, count us in, but forgive us for having limitations.

      God bless you, MTG.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  14. I Do Agree with approximately 90% of what you write about, but I believe you are wrong on this subject. I beg you to spend some quality time doing Prayful Research on this topic.
    I am about 99.9% sure the earth is flat, because there are about 75 Scripture references that allude to that fact. “The earth is placed on pillars & the earth is fixed & immovable, etc.” If God says that the earth that He created is fixed & immovable, I have a hard time believing that we are spinning around @1000mph & millions of mph throughout the universe. But I am open to the FACT that I could be wrong & the atheistic God haters are correct, as ALL of the major astronomers, astrophysicsts are. Blatant haters of God & mockers of even their own collegues that are Christians, about 4%.
    For me, this topic is like the straw that broke the camels back. I am Now 100% Positive that EVERYTHING I have been taught in public school, being raised up in a mainline denominational church, & EVERYTHING that our government & ALL the governments of this world is a LIE & in DIRECT Opposition to the God of the Bible, His Son Jesus Christ & His Holy Spirit & His written Word.
    It is ALL LIES!
    We have all been deceived by the devil because Christ Jesus said “he is the god of this world.” The devil has complete control of everything we have been taught & what we watch, shows, movies, news & what we read, etc., outside of the Bible.
    We have been trained on how to think so much so that we, Christians, automatically Cannot believe what the Bible says. “The earth is fixed & immovable.”
    I beg you to start with Rob Skiba, an intelligent Christian Researcher. Rob has been studying this topic about a YEAR & is not 100% on board but is leaning toward the flat earth. Eric Dubay, (as an atheist you might to check him out first, since you like Stefan.), he has a video 200 reasons why the earth is flat on Youtube. They are both very intelligent & have excllent presentations, Unfortunately the ONE you watched a Poor example.
    I have come to grips with the FACT that everything I have been taught is a LIE! Even as Christians we are so conditioned to believe our Church Leaders who flippantly explain away Scriptures when they disagree with their denominational organization.
    On the flight you mentioned, I would bet you Cannot book it, a lot of people have tried to & failed. But maybe you can.
    You seem to judge everyone as satanist if they disagree with you, if they don’t believe 100% exactly as you believe on all topics. I agree with you about 90% of the time & still consider you a sincere Christian & seeker of the Truth.
    Still your Brother in Christ

    • Hi Darryl,

      Whether the Earth is flat, or not, is not something to break fellowship over. It’s not even heresy. BUT…

      Look, if it takes a plane about the same amount of time to fly from Sydney to Santiago as from Los Angeles to Tokyo…


      There are sailboat races that go around Antarctica. Bridge builders must design for the curvature of the Earth. Those that calculate long range artillery must incorporate the curvature of the Earth.

      Darryl, seriously, you must wake up. We do not have time for such foolishness.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  15. I have read your whole article. I am a Flat Earther. If you believe the Bible to in-fact be true, you may revisit your position on the earth being a spinning blue marble. The Bible states, in its collection of centuries of works, without a shred of doubt, that the earth is flat, that it does not move and is stationary. According to scripture, the sun moves about in its courses and the moon and the stars in theirs. As one who agrees with you on many points, how does one get around holding that works (The Bible) are infallible, yet apologize for the same works flatly disagreeing with their beliefs?
    Do we say the Bible is infallible, but the prophets were ignorant and couldn’t comprehend a spinning sphere moving around the sun? Do we say the Creator of everything had no interest in revealing the truth of nature, instead opting to let His Word come down to us polluted with misinformation? I should hope that’s not the case.

    Long wall of text there, well intentioned.

  16. WELL done as usual John,and the end is in sight,The first harvest of souls is about to take place,When the bombs start falling,the Bride will be removed,and ALL the flat earthers will be in the final harvest,that is those who will come back to the LORD,90% won’t you know,They believe hell is flat to I think,ME I stopped worring about those guys anyway,I try to stay on my orders now,and its hard to do that,Everyday I go to bed holding my head,because of the extreme stupidity I’am seeing now days…LISTEN pay attention to the prophets,THEIR being told where to go and what their job will be when their called,THIS is a major thing here,ALL the LORDS people are being prepared for the end,And right after the Comet comes THE END begins,Europe is History,so is the USA,..I had a dream THIS very morning,I was at a meeting of JEWS,and was trying to get them give me the micophone,so I could WARN them of events coming on them,I been getting a lot of dreams and Visions about those guys lately,when I first went to work for the LORD,I always gave warnings to americans,BUT its changing now,FOR the last year its been going in the JEWS of ISRAELS direction,well the THE LORD did tell me he was taking his hand off america and looking at Jerusalem now,THERE IS a KINGS event coming to both countries you know,woe to us and them………See Ya Later John,wish you luck here my friend…………

  17. Hi John,

    Just a thanks for putting out these letters while you are busy with Ezekial’s Fire. They take a little longer to read but it is nice to have all the research listed.

    A request for prayer as my son (37) is in Hospital in Indianapolis waiting for a heart and kidney transplant. This happened quite suddenly this summer when he had heart/kidney failure seemingly at the drop of a hat and to a very healthy person. He is #2 on the list. I cannot even begin to write all the thoughts I have that this is happening and at the time in history it is happening. It seems it is more than I can bear at times if it were not for prayer and the help of the Holy Spirit.
    I had written you before by email and you even wrote me back asking if the Lord had made a way for us to move. It was blocked on 2 occasions. The blessing in this is that God knew my son would need to move back home and the Lord placed them 7 blks from us so we could help them during this very serious health crisis.

    Again, thanks for all you do.


  18. Hi John, another great article. I am sorry to go back to the Jewish conspiracy, but I have been praying for guidance on the issue, and was given certain passages. I know you have read them hundreds of times, but here is what I got – Amos 5:26, Acts 7:43. These have to do with the star of Moloch. My honest question , and I am not arguing, is this the star that is called the Star of David. I am interested to hear what you have to say. I cannot find any reference in scripture attributing the star to david. David only said his shield is God. John 8:30-44 has importance in this discussion. Does it even matter when reading Galatians 3? Again, I am not trying to prove anything, but am curious about the whole debate. I rely only on scripture and stay away from internet craziness. I know you are exhausted by people on the web throwing conjecture at you. Are the Jews possibly still scattered, was the 1947 UN implementation of Israel purely from man, where did the Khazarian stuff come from? These are questions I am wondering honestly wondering about. Sorry to bother you with this stuff, you are a man of Christ and I know that. Keep up the good fight and God Bless.

    • Hi Josh,

      Remember that what matters is what God says. God said that He would save the Jews after they were already in the Land of Israel. Furthermore, the ‘Star of David’ is not worshiped by Israel. There is no deity associated with that star, so it is a non-issue.

      Why are there all these scandalous stories swirling around the Jewish people?

      Because Satan knows what God intends to do for the Jewish people. He wants to stop it, and thereby defeat God. He has even tried to infect the Jewish people with his Satanism, but the majority of the Jewish people reject it.

      In fact, most of the Jews in Israel reject Judaism. They are secular.

      The point is that God has made promises, and we dare not twist those promises, because God will judge us if we do.

      Furthermore, it will not harm you to love the Jews and look for God’s fulfillment of His promises. In fact, you will be blessed.

      So, accept the words of God in the Bible, Josh. They are the truth, and we find safety in them.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • I deal with lots of anti-jewish stuff at work and everywhere else almost everyday. I was just wondering your opinion on the matter, because I respect your work. Scripture is my guide and Jesus is my Lord and Savior. Thank you very much for your time and I appreciate your response. The internet is crazy and we have to be careful due to the ease at which we can be lead astray. These are the end days and the great deception is in full throttle. There is a small group of people out here in Montana consisting of myself and a small bible study group that love your work. God Bless

  19. Flat Earth!! I love this theme to drive a point, Brother John! Yet another brilliant article!

    I’m gonna be honest with you.. I am a pretty open-minded guy.. And because I’m an engineer, it’s also in my nature to be inquisitive.. I have read all kinds of arguments from flat earthers to round earthers. Some of the flat earthers are pretty slick-tongued. Almost convincing in a scary way, actually.

    Do you know what I did to check if earth really is round? I sort of did what you mentioned.. I actually checked flights on travelocity and compared the time travel from Australia to South Africa, from Australia to South America, and from South America to South Africa.. Of course, I came to the solid conclusion that, yes, earth is indeed round.. (whew! thankfully!)

    I almost did not want to share this out of embarrassment, Brother John. But I am sharing this to make a point that if we are not careful with the information we read or hear, we could indeed become flat-earthers. We could fall for the many, many traps that satan has set for us. And once we fall into one of the devil’s traps, it may be difficult to come out.

    So I understand the in-your-face message of your article. And again, that is why I think it is absolutely brilliant!!

    Thank you and God Bless.

  20. Maybe your subconscious mind knows a truth that you are too scared to face up to. You said that you could barely write “the Bible cannot possibly be true?”


    That said you cannot trust any book penned by the ancient Saturn mystery religion including dare i say the bible.

  21. Earth is not being carried about by a gigantic space turtle. It is sitting squarely on the shoulders of this dude named Atlas.

      • I found this researching flat earth stuff, not for proof, but to see who is falling for this lie. I don’t get it. So the church was mocked for being wrong about the flat earth, and now folks are going back to it again? I am certain the Jesuits are laughing at us. I hope that the people who ought to know better are merely on a pendulum swing, you know, kicking out after realizing they’ve been had by the elites, and eventually come to the truth. Daniel said that some wise people will fall to be purified. So, I am reluctant to write anyone off just yet when the get on the flat earth bandwagon. Just keeping tabs on who is doing it.

        I remember when I was my daughter’s age (she is very young), I envisioned the world being carried on a turtle’s back. I still have than image etched in my mind. So, there are actually people out there that believe this?

        • Hi TL2,

          Yes, indeed. There really ARE people who believe this. If I have this correctly, it comes from the Book of Enoch. At least, that’s where I’ve been told that it comes from. I haven’t looked all that carefully at it.

          The thing that disturbs me is the ‘mind set’. It’s the same head-in-the-sand approach that keeps people from making rational preparations for their own safety.

          And, I just don’t understand all that. If I had more time, I’d try to figure out what causes people to hold such ideas so tightly – ideas like the pretribulation rapture.

          Thank you, TL2. I’m glad that you are as curious as I am.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          PS. Terry Pratchett wrote a series of funny books about a flat world being carried through space on the back of a turtle.

  22. On the flat earth part all I can say is, wow. If I got your message correctly you’re saying you can’t be a Christian and believe the earth is flat. Is that correct? On the subject of flights south of the equator, that does not prove the earth is not flat. It’s funny how you showed no Biblical proof that he earth is not flat. The first chapter of Genesis, the creation narrative, shows an enclosed earth with sun moon and stars within a firmament. If you properly study this you will find that the firmament is a beat out highly polished metal dome. The firmament does show God’s handy work. The book of Job is very flat earth. Read it. It’s there. Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still. They did. God gave Hezekiah the sign of prolonging his life by causing the sun to go backward 10 degrees. That’s two witnesses in the Bible that the earth is stationary. There is scripture after scripture stating that the earth is stationary. The earth sits on a foundation with a cornerstone. Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth from a high mountain. How is that possible on a sphere? Daniel saw the vision of a tree so tall it could be seen from the ends of the earth. Jesus said that his angles will gather his elect from the four corners of the earth. When Jesus returns to the earth every eye will see him. That is not possible on a sphere. It is very hard to twist scripture a get the godless heliocentric lie out of it. In order to prove a spherical earth orbiting a giant ball of fire 93 million miles away you have to completely leave scripture and turn to the same atheistic sciences that teach evolution.

    • Hi Don,

      So, since the Bible does not speak of DNA, genetics is a fraud?

      The Bible did not speak of cars, so they must not exist.

      In fact, ANYTHING that is not mentioned by the Bible must not exist.

      Don, God gave you a brain. Use it. And, I never said anything about not being a Christian if you believe in a Flat Earth.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  23. John, here’s a promise from the Bible regarding those who would come against Israel (Ps. 129:5-8):

    May all who hate Zion
    be put to shame and turned backward!

    Let them be like the grass on the housetops,
    which withers before it grows up,

    with which the reaper does not fill his hand
    nor the binder of sheaves his arms,

    nor do those who pass by say,
    “The blessing of the Lord be upon you!
    We bless you in the name of the Lord!”

    –We can take this to the bank. And rest on His promises.

  24. Dear john,

    Before you go casting stones maybe you should try applying that same critical eye on yourself. Whatever criteria you used to make up your flat-earther list could just as easily land you and the beliefs you hold right on it. in fact, many would put your beliefs right at the very top. What makes what you believe any different?

    I will always be baffled how seemingly very intelligent people like yourself, and certain others in the alternative news, can so readily see the deception, conspiracy and lies in just about anything and everything but somehow fail to apply that same scrutiny when it comes to one thing and one thing only. And that one thing is what could possibly be the grandest, most elaborate, end-all, mother of all conspiracies-lies-hoaxes ever shone on man – organized religion INCLUDING Christianity. How can an analytical mind such as yours just go blank when it comes to seeing this in oneself?

    I also couldn’t ignore the irony of you so prominently featuring that quote from Mark Twain. You use it to support your argument, yet this quote is actually a direct critique of Christianity/Christians! Or, to steal a line from you, as he might refer to it today, flat-earthers. Just one of many such quotes penned by him on the subject. I guess in banging your head against this for 20 plus years as you say that never occurred to you.

    Lastly, even though you “really like” Stefan Molyneux as “he is a man of integrity, and he treats people with respect”, it matters not. You have him nonetheless going to hell for an eternity of suffering as he is an Atheist and doesn’t believe the correct way, or should I say, the way you believe. How unfortunate for him. And other countless billions!

    I know your very busy and probably will never post this anyway, but can someone who is always reading his bible, as you often state, please explain why you believe in the horrendous doctrine of eternal torture in literal hell fire?

    Even if the Bible is true, hell is found no where in the Old Testament, which is only 2/3 of the entire Bible! You think God might of given us a heads up? “Sheol,” the Old Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means “grave” by definition. There is also nothing in the original New Testament Greek which teaches this. The hell you are so disturbingly assigning Mr. Molyneux to and everyone who disagrees with your beliefs is a complete mistranslation and only appears in modern biblical translations. THIS IS FACT. Doesn’t Scripture state the punishment/wages for sin is death? Isn’t this enough? When did it become death plus eternal torment in hell? Even if you believe eternal suffering in hell is real and the ultimate fate of 99% of everyone who ever lived, can’t you AT LEAST admit it’s just a bit, umm, nuts and really serves no purpose but to sadistically torture people just for being human, the way they were born?

    Anyways, thank you sir, and I really appreciate your time .

    • Hi Anthony,

      Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Here is the verse:

      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. – John 14:6

      It appears that you have rejected this, and I pray that you would reconsider.

      One day, you will die, Anthony. Are you ready for that?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  25. Reading these comments proves that the strong delusion is real.

    Thanks for printing these comments Brother John.

    I had no idea things were this bad.

    My elderly father still holds hope that America will repent. Unfortunately, that is part of the delusion as well.


    Quit looking for a rapture and repent.
    Quit watching for a nation that cannot save you.

  26. John, Very good post as always. To the comments above, I offer these scriptures in defense of the biblical teaching of a spherical earth. Psalm 19:1 “The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handywork.” God shows us the “heavens” to reveal his glory to us. He wants us to see it. God is not lying by showing us other spherical objects such as planets, stars, galaxies, etc. Isaiah 40:32 “It is He who sits above the circle (Heb. sphere) of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
    Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
    And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.” And, Job 26:7 “He stretches out the north over empty space;
    He hangs the earth on nothing.” Job is saying it in a poetic way but he saying that the earth has been set in space. Flat earthers need to study gravity. Turns out God created it to be quite useful to his creation. Lastly, Job 26:10, “He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,
    At the boundary of light and darkness.” Flat earthers need to question their understanding of the “horizon”. Here’s a bit of help for them.

  27. Hi John,
    What a blessing to be serving the King of Kings against the forces of darkness.
    We know the outcome and to what city Messiah Jesus has promised to return to… and it’s not Washington,Brussels, Beijing or Rome.
    My favorite, dearest ,most loved city on the earth, because it is also God’s city and where He will bait all the nations to come like moths to the flame.
    On the Paris attack and Obama’s drive to import millions
    of followers of the false prophet.
    It took only two Chechen Islamic terrorist brothers to shut down the city of Boston and impose martial law, so we can see where this is going.
    With martial law and power of the pen and phone, dictator,tyrant Obama can follow the Lenin,Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, mode,l after he has disarmed the law abiding America people.

    P.S. Right after Islams attack on Paris I had a certified nut try and post a comment blaming Israel for everything, not a word about the evil nature of Islam and how it’s not Jews terrorizing the world but followers of the false prophet.
    More evidence that the God-haters are marked. Ezekiel 9

  28. Thank you for you reply!
    I have no news links yet as I have found no takers however, I do have the complaint as well as the Judge’s ruling to not dismiss the case as the Defendants’ attorneys requested but don’t know how to attach it.
    If you would be so kind to advise me on how I would attach this I would gladly provide this.
    Thank you for your help,
    Michael Gutwein

      • No Sir,
        Nothing that can be accessed unless you’re an attorney, regrettably. The local newspaper, Alamosa Courier, has assigned an editor to this but I have not heard from them lately, it is a small town and politics are much different as you may know.
        In CO we have the ICCES system and it can only be accessed by them, maybe the media as well. The case number is 2015CV9 or 2015-CV-0009.
        If you would, I can email anything you’d request, Judge’s recent order NOT dismissing the case; Amended Complaint; their response and whatever else you’d need.
        Also, the Judge in this duo stated on the record, in another divorce 2 weeks ago, that I was indeed suing her “Partner” and I am working on getting these transcripts but it takes time and unfortunately, if I don’t get this out in the media or find representation it may just go unnoticed. Like I said, it has been going on for years in the SLV and I sincerely believe because of the nature of this relationship it will go unaddressed because no one is willing to go ‘against’ this judge, she is feared widely and for good reason. I am the only one ‘dumb’ enough to go against her but I love my children far more than whatever may come from this!
        I also covet any/all prayer from those reading this, my children have been home 6 times in 3 years and are now living with a drug dealing cop. I have been saying for years this cop was a drug dealer and since his new Sheriff started testing all his deputies for steroids, he is now under a ‘doctor’s care’ for hypogonadism, his name is Deputy Nicolas David Lamendola (recently let go from the TCSO). This is all public record as my ex included this info on a recent Motion and the threats of a libel suit if I do not cease the drug talk have passed without so much as a whimper, I will do no such thing! There is also a lawsuit out of NM because of this, however because I am represented in this matter, I can’t speak on the specifics. If I could, you’d see what a circus this has been for the last 3 years.
        Thank you in advance Sir,
        You may email me anytime.

        • Hi MTG,

          Not having links to publish, or pass along, makes it much harder to promote this. My focus lies in a different direction, and I’m already at maximum time commitment.

          If you could set up a blog, I would be happy to post links to what you write, and offer my own input. Beyond that, I don’t know what I can promise.

          God bless you, Michael, as you fight for your children.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  29. Well I just lost all my respect for Steve Quayle if he points to people who believe or question the globe theory, we believe that 9-11 was terrorism??? the economy is good? seriously Steve? If Steve has an credibility left he would debate Mark Sargent of Eric Dubuay, I am unsubscribing to this and spreading the word that Steve is a shill

  30. John
    I’m in the middle of “Operation Gladio” by Paul L. Williams and just completed “The Phoenix Program” by Douglas Valentine. What little regard I had for the US Gov’t has been forever obliterated. For a long time I have stated that YHVH’s judgement must come upon the US but I didn’t even know a fraction of what is going /has gone on.
    At times I feel like saying , “bring it on – lets get it over with”, but then I’m sure I don’t have a clue.
    I’m reminded to be still and know that YHVH is.

  31. Hi John, this one just left me in shock and awe. Really. And, it’s not about your article, it’s as good and informative as always. But the comments. Oh my, it’s real. Let me just say, if I was a Flat Earther, I would have serious problems with myself after seeing first lunar eclipse in my life. That’s just beyond my comprehension, something is really wrong with the inhabitants of our planet, and I fully agree – it spells our doom…

    You’ve just linked new Polish minister of foreign affairs, I just want to confirm, that he was serious, that’s not a joke. And, few weeks ago I was writing here about “lower levels” of Catholic church in Poland. So, I have something to share on that matter – catholic priest giving speech in front of ~150.000 people, during Polish Independence Day, 2 weeks ago (11-11-2015, there are english subtitles, if you have time, look at this from the first second):
    I wish he didn’t mention Pope Francis, prayed to Virgin Mary, and stressed the role of the RCC so much. But, on the other hand, if I would have to make a choice between this and what happens on the streets of Paris and Brussels… Well, it was just to illustrate what I was writing about back then.
    God bless you, and many thanks, again!

  32. Dear John Little,
    It appears that most don’t have the time for the simplest of tasks to discover truth. For example, in your blog you are critical of the so-called “flat earthers” when they question why no airplanes actually fly between certain areas in the southern hemisphere, e.g., Sidney to Santiago, Chili.

    To show that planes do fly direct to and from these locations, you instruct people to search Google’s database for pages on “non-stop” routes between Sidney and Santiago. There are in fact pages on this. Case closed. Flat-Earther claim debunked.

    Could it be that simple?  Nothing is that simple.

    Viewing web-pages indexed by Google proves nothing. Instead, we must ask what are the actual testable facts and reasoning behind this or any point? Who has taken these non-stop flights? Where are the testimonies? What were the departure and arrival times, and the distances covered? Of course, if we could obtain this data, it would be personal feedback and not absolute proof, but better than mere airline postings of flights. can track commercial airline routes.
    Look at some examples of the so-called direct flights between Santiago and Sidney here
    (start at 2 minute, go to 6 minute)

    Oh no, my 300 w. limit is up. View my full comment at:

    • Hi John,

      As I have said before, and say to you, this is a demonstration of how impenetrable theories like this are. You cannot convince Flat Earthers, because they refuse to be convinced. All evidence that disagrees with their notions are immediately discarded, no matter how accurate.

      Pretribbers, antisemites, believers in a Grand Jewish Conspiracy, those who believe 9/11, Muslim apologists, Chrislamists, Atheists, Communists, Catholics, Spotlighters and anyone else devoted to fanciful theories… all of them suffer from the same foolish myopia.

      All of you refuse to see the facts because acknowledging the obvious threatens your worldview.

      John, you have no proof that the Earth is Flat. No pictures. Just conjecture. And, you are proving my point.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • John, sorry I read your post and just have to reply. Firstly, I can assure you that planes do fly those routes. How do I know? I fly them. Who has taken these flights and where are the testimonies? Once again, look in my logbook and ask my wife and two kids where I disappear to for a few days at a time when I go to work. As for departure and arrival times and distances covered. Well that varies depending on winds, weather etc but as I’ve mentioned, today’s flight covered 6174nm. Out of sheer curiosity I watched that YouTube link you posted. The gentleman claimed the Sydney to Chile flight doesn’t actually happen. I would be embarrassed to have shared that 100% incorrect video. I do apologise if this comes across arrogant, however things like this don’t help us, or give us any credibility in fact, when it comes to spreading the message of Christ.

  33. As a Qantas pilot who flies the great circle track from Sydney to Chile, I can indeed confirm that the earth ain’t flat! I still can’t believe I felt I had to write that…..seriously, what are some people smoking?
    On another note, thanks John for the effort that I know goes into putting these pieces together. Makes for good reading on those long trips away

    • Brett, with respect, I have no intention of claiming you are not who you say are. I highly respect airline pilots, especially those who have reached the pinnacle of their career such as yourself. I have one question. You have direct experience as one who flies the track from Sydney to Chile. When you fly this route is it non-stop or is it direct? I have seen routes stopping in L.A. or Atlanta. To me that’s kind of out of the way but I’m sure there are good reasons. I’m on the Qantas website on the routes map page but their server is down. I’m not expecting an immediate answer. You could be in the air right now for all I know. Thank you sir. With respect – Don

      • Don, the QF27 from SYD to SCL is direct, no stops. In fact today it is a flight time of 11:40 and 6174 nautical miles. Qantas codeshares with American Airlines on lots of flights so interpreting a route map of which flights are direct and which aren’t can sometimes be a bit tricky. The whole point of my post was to highlight that If indeed the earth is flat, then I had better go back to Nav school. If the earth were flat we would simply take off and virtually hold a constant magnetic direction, as we travel across the meridians we are constantly changing magnetic direction slightly to follow a great circle route. Imagine a globe of the earth and place a string between two places and pull it tight. The resulting track across the globe roughly represents a great circle route. It’s the reason why I have plenty of photos of ice caps when flying between SYD and Chile and SYD and Johannesburg. The route sometimes takes us as far south as 60 degrees. When flying to Johannesburg we take off from Sydney and fly virtually overhead Melbourne. Look at a map of Australia. That alone should tell people the earth ain’t flat! But anyway, there’s far more important issues in John’s blog than Christians debating over such as issue in my opinion. Regards

  34. Hello big guy,
    Thanks again for all the time and effort you put into not only your writings, but (patiently) replying to comments too.
    I read you every week and enjoy your thoughts…
    Regarding this whole Flat Earth thing:
    Guys, get a grip! It requires only a helium-filled balloon and a GoPro camera, to demonstrate that this Earth is, in fact, a ‘big blue marble’ (yes, just like Star Trek).
    As the students from “Earth To Sky Calculus” regularly launch:
    Also, simply look at the Moon and the Sun, and the other planets: round!
    I mean, even the most witless can easily perceive the curvature of the moon and planets with only an inexpensive backyard telescope.
    It is certainly difficult for me to comprehend that anyone today could believe the Earth is ‘flat’…
    However, knowledge, intelligence and common-sense have all regressed somewhat in many areas these days.
    So, in some strange way I suppose I’m not really that surprised.
    Thanks again John. And try to be calm in days to come, okay?

  35. Regarding Paris attack, saw this in an email:

    Obama on Paris Attacks: “…This was a well COORDINATED attack…”

    response: OH REALLY!!!! YOU DON’T SAY!!!! Interesting that almost every national media outlet is using the ‘same language’ hypnotically and then rambling on about details of “The WELL COORDINATED Paris attacks on 11/13/15.”

    Questions Obama and National Media Are Avoiding:

    • Who is funding the WELL COORDINATED downfall of various Middle East countries (Iraq, Libya, Syria etc)? Why are secular regimes being dismantled and replaced with Muslim Brotherhood regimes? ( How could this happen????)

    • Who is funding the WELL COORDINATED support of ISIS?
    • Who is behind the creation of ISIS? Certainly this is WELL COORDINATED.

    • Who funded the WELL COORDINATED Syrian ISIS rebellion against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad which has displaced million of previously happy Syrians (who are now looking for a new home)?

    • Who is behind the WELL COORDINATED forcing of the nations of Europe and the U.S. to accept all these Muslim refugees (from the peaceful religion) from the Middle East? A nation doesn’t just wake up one day and make a decision to invite hundreds of thousands of immigrant Muslim refugees to invade their society, putting their economy, culture, healthcare system, and women and children and other areas at great risk. This kind of thing takes months if not years of planning. Who was behind this WELL COORDINATED plan?

    • Who funded the WELL COORDINATED sending of ships to the Middle East to transport immigrant Muslim refugees to European nations? It takes great planning and funding to make this happen. Why aren’t these ships being blocked from leaving the Middle East (that were seeking to dump refugees onto European and other nations)? Who is COORDINATING that these ships are not being blocked from leaving Middle Eastern ports? Who is COORDINATING the funding of this transport?

    • Why is it that most of the refugees are not women and children, but young fit men of military fighting age? And why are most of them Sunni Muslims? Doesn’t this sound WELL COORDINATED?


    Any Questions?

  36. if the earth was flat it would be daytime everywhere at the same time.
    and nighttime everywhere at the same time.

    I too would like to see a picture of this great wall of ice surrounding the world.

    i once took a non-stop flight on qantas from sydney to LA.

    i guess our satellites travel from one horizon to another and then cloak themselves and scurry back before doing it all over again.

    that guy that is going to do some 100 mile test should know you can only see 11 miles in each direction. there is a reason for that- the earth is round,

  37. Re … flat earth.
    See Isiaha ch 40 . v 22 .
    The Earth is a sphere as the hebrew says it is .
    You dont need to reply .
    from not a good christian.

    • Hi n.e.ievers,

      It is my pleasure to reply, and I appreciate the input.

      Since none of us are good Christians, you are welcome among us. Those who think that they are good Christians are less welcome.

      Thank you, N.E.!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  38. This is the most intellectually deficient article I think I’ve ever read to try to dispute something. You give no proofs of anything. You begin with name calling and ridicule then resort to condemnation through the Bible verses you’ve carefully selected. I’ve read the responses and even though many have given you Bible verses to support a flat earth you respond with there is NONE. You accuse flat earthers of being unmovable in their thinking. I must say that the accusation flies back at you. Your biases shine with the light seen from a hundred miles away (pun intended if you get it). If a person claims to be a truth seeker then they will take the time to investigate the topic thoroughly and only then come to a conclusion. Nothing that you said in your article warrants a honest debate. This is why I’m not going into Bible verses, scientific experiments, NASA etc. From the approach you took in writing this I would say that you laid your intellectual integrity to rest. If you do not have the time to research this then don’t write about it. I’m not interested in just another biased opinion like CNN and Fox.

    • Hi Zakah,

      Well, you certainly missed the point of this article, and you completely ignored my proof.

      So, I think that there’s quite a bit of intellectual dishonesty on your side of this.

      You have shown me no proof, so you need to do that before making such baseless arguments.

      Thank you, ‘zakah’.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  39. John,

    Great article lots of good stuff. It really seems Satan is doing to the world via the globalists, what he used Hitler to do to Germany. Using the globalist brown shirts, Islam, free reign to breakdown German (global-western) society, creating so much fear of total collapse and Armageddon. America is collapsed, as well as the EU, we are attacked invaded, the EU just surrenders as it did to Hitler. Millions die and when it really looks like it’s all going to hell, the man of sin comes riding in on His white horse (masquerading as an angel of light) to rescue the world. Offering a deal that tastes as good as honey in the mouth, but after the world buy his big lies about peace, becoming like the gods and restoring all things, the world finds out too late they have made a deal with the devil and find what has tasted good in the mouth has turned sour (poison) in the stomach. Rev. 10. All the things Hitler promised German he will promise the world. What rally scares me is that Trump’s slogan is the same as Hitler’s; I will make America (Germany) great again. There is a way that seems right unto a man and it’s end is in death. This is all s set up for the false prince of peace to bring in a false peace that only God allows for 42 months. But this is no peace for the true believers. All that is needed is the one “trigger event” even the Fed has told the banks to be ready for. I don’t think this is far off.

    Dan B

  40. John, how did you possibly infer that ‘forwarded email’ was referring to the jews? it seemed a simple connecting of dots to the elite power structure coordinating an orchestrated invasion of other countries for hegelian dialiectice Problem-Reaction -Solution. i.e., that all this stuff isn’t just coincindence theory. MM

  41. Hi John, I just saw this outrageous statement:
    In my eyes the credibility of any statement coming from Gulf states (or Saudi Arabia) was always below zero, but if such insanity does come out…
    My sad impression is that, maybe, some people and countries have actually decided to MANUFACTURE “hooks in jaws”. Things are getting bad and worse by the day. And our time is running out.
    “He alone is my rock and my salvation”.

  42. Found an article of some years back explaining the NWO’s plans….. bear with me..

    On August 15, 1871, the leader of American Freemasonry and Illuminist Albert Pike sent a plan to Guissepe Mazzini, head of the Illuminati in Europe and founder of the MAFIA (The “M” stands for Mazzini) it called for three world wars and the creation of three governmental forms that would bring in world chaos.
    From this chaos, a world order would emerge and a world ruler.
    The motto of the Illuminati is: “Out of chaos, unity”. That’s what’s going on now—the creation of enough chaos, so that the ultimate plan of Lucifer can be brought to pass.

    Their plan was……………..
    “The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism.
    The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”
    “The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”
    “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.
    Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

    • Hi Allan Rowley,

      Probably all of what you are saying comes from William Guy Carr who did not offer sources for this ‘theories’.

      I get very suspicious of someone making such claims without proof. And, there is no proof that such a letter ever existed, or that Albert Pike ever had such a ‘vision’ or ever made such claims.

      William Guy Carr played fast and loose with the truth and did great damage to those who were trying to ascertain the truth.

      Please be careful, Allan. Always check sources. Although, I appreciate your comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  43. I expect Friday’s post will be a doozy. By now everyone knows about Turkey shooting down the Russian fighter jet. As time goes on my respect for Putin only grows, he has shown courageous integrity in calling things what they are and backing it up with action. Having become so used to political waffling, I can’t believe he had the directness to say Turkey’s action was a “stab in the back” which it most certainly was – and I greatly admire him for calling out the hypocrisy and double-dealing. Everyone needs to hear that the emperor has no clothes, particularly the emperors who think they are actually getting away with something.

    Turkey’s behavior seems so much worse than Russia’s – are there any signs that it could ally with Iran and become one of the Gogs? Can Stalin and the communists be any worse than Turkey’s Armenian Christian genocide? Russia seems to have changed its ways, unlike Turkey. God forgives, when one turns away from one’s sins. Of course Turkey is enraged, and the UK apparently also, that Russia has messed up their supply of black market oil from ISIS.

    In the meantime, Pastor JD Farag’s most recent prophecy update focused almost exclusively on the “refugee” invasion and he did not mince words. Worth a watch, about 25 minute, and FYI he preaches a pre-trib rapture. That is just about the only place I disagree with him. He also recommends an article on Obama, called “Incompetence or Treason?” which I have yet to read but he also made the point that what Obama is doing has been so consistently destructive to American interests that it HAS to be by design. And that in judgment, one of the things God does is put a malicious ruler over the people being judged.

    • Hi DRG,

      I was hoping to write a different article on Friday, but I’m afraid that this event has derailed my original train of thought.

      I do believe that this is another ‘hook’, but how it plays out will be interesting.

      This was obviously OK’d by the ‘highest levels’. The question is WHICH levels?

      Turkey? NATO? The US?

      With all that the Elites have done to Russia and the Russian people, I do NOT want to believe that Russia is Gog. And, I would have thought that Turkey would have to be a part of this vast army that comes down to attack Israel. So, this escalation is puzzling.

      Unless I’m wrong – which I want to be.

      Putin is a very clever player in such high-stakes chess games. So, I expect a clever move.

      This will not end well, for Turkey. And, this MIGHT spell doom for Erdogan. We’ll see.

      I’ll listen to the video, tomorrow.

      Thank you, DRG. Great comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  44. Love your works.
    I miss your weekly shock-cast on you tub.
    Now about the Flat Earth, I don’t care if the earth is flat Round or a Borg Cube.
    What I care about it that we have paid trillions of dollar to NASA to prove the earth is a Ball, they never have. Only Christians are fooled by Faith, in these Nazis.
    We never got a straight answer.
    If the earth is flat, it proves there is a Creator and spells the End of NASA
    If the Earth is a spinning ball it proves Satan’s Darwinism and a very Lucrative fraudulent future for Military Industrial Complex and a heavy burden on the people.
    Now if Earth is a Borg Cube that proves Eu Genesis NimrodDenberry’s Hollow-deck and we are all just protons morons or Mormons.

    Prove all things and hold fast too what is true, Love you and May Gog keep you.

  45. Hello John,

    When I was first presented with the flat earth theory I laughed cause it sounded absurd. I have since come to believe that a Geocentric universe with a fixed plane and the heavens rotating above is biblical and confirmed by my sensory perception and rational induction. I will not attempt to argue my points in this comment box but will instead refer you to what is in my opinion one of the best resources on the topic currently available. is a website constructed by rob skiba and if you dont have time to visit the site then you can listen to an interview of him by josh peck at

  46. Sorry John. The spinning globe model just doesn’t work. Do a little research and stop swallowing the propaganda put out by NASA and the governments of this world who are all under the control of the wicked one and are drunk on the wine of Babylon.

    The major governments of the world have known for sure that the Earth is flat since 1956 when they found the edge, just ask Rob Skiba (

    Watch this the Google “operation high jump”, “operation deep freeze”, “operation fish bowl”, Admiral Byrd, Antarctica.

    This is the biggest conspiracy of all, and all of the globalist’s conspiracies stem from the fake globe model (global warming, globalism, global governance). The flat earth and firmament proves the existence of a creator and the elites are trying to hide GOD from the masses.

    I challenge you to look into this matter seriously and you will be surprised what you learn. Then pass the info on to the Doug & Joe Hagmann.

    The ‘flat Earth’ only seems silly because you’ve been conditioned since birth to believe that we live on a spinning ball. Stop believing what you are told you should believe and use your own eyes, start looking into it for yourself. I too thought it was completely ridiculous before I did some research, but now I know better.

    To get started check out Rob Skiba’s website

    Bless you and your family in Jesus’ mighty name!

  47. John,

    If your example is accurate as described it only proves that sydney to santiago takes the same amount of time to fly between as does los angeles to tokyo. It is possible that they are in fact the same distance apart (assuming distance to be a main component of your argument) on a flat earth map as they are on a globe map. Your argument does not prove earth to be a globular in form; all it does is give a possible proof that sydney and santiago are the same distance apart the same as los angeles and tokyo. I would also like to ask why you think that geocentrism is a meager idea and supremely arrogant. Also why did you say “a true Flat Earther believes in a god of chaos and magic – because that is the only way that a Flat Earth would work.”

    Please look at rob skibas interview with josh peck and his website

    I Thessalonians 5:21 “Prove ALL things; hold fast that which is good.”

  48. John,

    I have answered your proof with what I thought was a rational objective analysis, which you are now dodging along with my follow up questions regarding some of your comments. It now seems that after having looked through the comments that you are unwilling to do the very thing you criticize, which is look at both sides of the argument objectively, thoroughly, and with an open mind. Your quote of mark twain can be just as easily appplied to yourself. Also after hearing one of your interviews on hagmann and hagmann I was really blessed by your spiritual insights and was surprised and saddened to read some of your comments and generalizations concerning the the flat earth theory as they exhibited arrogance, downcasting, and and the epitomy of Proverbs 18:13. They were disheartening and frusturating to read as a fellow brother in Christ. I will once again implore you to thoroughly investigate the matter by looking into the research rob skiba has done.

    Glory be to God


  49. Dear John,

    I’m really sad about the way you take a stance in this topic. First of all you make a real wide definition of “flat earther” and then you claim these people won’t let themselves be convinced. You see proof of the latter in all that people respond on this contrary on your own confictions on the matter.

    I’m a Bible beliefing christian and the only thing you can acuse me of being a “flat earther” by your definition is my sympathy for the flat earth theory. This because I belief this does more right on the Bible. The science part of it comes second to that but has enough going for flat earth as well.

    People gave you scripture! Respond to that by placing that scripture in context instead of using arguments that are not relevant on the given scripture.

    I’m new to flat earth. So I won’t be able to give all the answers. I think that you should be more critical to science (as a form of religion) when it seems to be in conflict with the bible. Satan is the one in charge over most people and especially the goverments of this world. If the Bible scetches a flat earth by numeral verses then Satan has a reason to come up with a plan.

    First of John, read the bible (I do belief you do that sincerely) and ask the Holy Spirit to show you Gods truth on the matter. No harm done there right??? Answers to how that works with proof, science and stuff will follow later and should be less conclusive (it does have a say, but a few questions here and there won’t hurt).

    Do come up with a good case based on the bible if you don’t agree John. Take your brothers and sisters serious. The might (emphasis on might) be given to you to correct you on sertain matters.



    • Hi Stefan,

      I wish that I could accede to your point of view.

      Unfortunately, I cannot.

      None of the scriptures introduced indicate a ‘flat Earth’. NONE.

      But, I also know that there is nothing that I could say to convince people of that. Their mind is made up, and there is absolutely NOTHING that you can do to change it.

      It is a remarkably similar mindset to other delusions that I have run into, and there is literally NOTHING that you can do to convince these people that they are deluded.

      I do not have time or the energy to engage in something that will lead nowhere, so I will leave you to your delusions.

      Thank you, Stefan. I appreciate your brotherly approach.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Dear John,

        When people seem to be stuck in their belief of things all we can do is leave it to the Lord Almighty and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

        There are lots of stubborn people in the bible so who knows? Maybe you and I would give in to His view on the matter if we’re prone on listening to Him…

        Gods blessings on the matter. May He give you reassurance or unrest on the matter as He wills.


  50. John,

    I thank God for you and how He has opened my eyes and mind this past year. Your research on OmegaShock has been a big part of that, along with confirmations in the Bible, the Holy Spirit, and other faithful Christians. (And I’m glad you were OK, the other time I wrote you via, when your site was down.)

    For years I’ve believed the Rapture is a lie. And that Israel is still God’s chosen people and God’s chosen nation. Your research has been very confirming. Thank you.

    The depth and breadth of Satan’s active plans in the world, however, has been shocking to learn and accept this year. The apparent “craziness” of the financial markets and Middle East politics finally makes sense, considering the centuries-long plans of the Jesuits, the elite’s international NWO collaboration, etc.

    This October, reading “The Trance-formation of America” in October was a painful yet necessary act of God peeling away another layer of false confidence about this world.

    For these and so many other reasons, we in the United States truly deserve to receive His wrath. I pray God provides us cities of refuge in the times to come.

    I’m a Hoosier myself…born in Ft. Wayne, grew up in an extremely liberal pastor’s family (ex: active nationally in United Church of Christ), started at Valparaiso University in 1989 as a physics/journalism double-major, and later earned my MBA at Ohio State.

    After earnestly seeking the truth in the mid-90s, the Holy Spirit helped me realize I was a pride-filled sinner. (Convicted me in “spades”, is more like it!) In 1998 I submitted myself and my life to Christ as my Lord and Savior. Since then, God has guided my family and me through dozens of tough, spiritual “boot camp” periods of life … learning to trust Him in all things, instead of the things of this world.

    And now there’s this “crazy” Flat Earth idea. This fall my sister-in-law sent a video to my wife. Because of my former science background, my wife asked me to help refute it. “No problem”, I reassured her.


    I sought to poke holes in the Flat Earth theory. Instead I keep finding holes in what I was taught in school. For example:

    1. Chicago should not be visible from the east coast of Lake Michigan, due to the curvature of the earth. From 60 miles away, the base of the Sears Tower should be more than 1 mile beneath the horizon.

    But photographers have taken photos of Chicago’s top-to-bottom skyline from Berrien County, Michigan. How is that possible?

    2. Government-funded NASA information seems more and more suspect.
    Why do shadows point different directions on the original moon landing photos, if all the light is coming from 93 million miles away?

    For the first 40 years of satellites and trips to the moon, why was there only 1 photo of the earth, used again and again (including a National Geographic cover this fall)? And why do identical cloud formations appear in several places on that 1 photo?

    Why do women on the space station perm/gel their hair straight out? Their hair does NOT move like it should in zero-G.

    3. Since the earth spins at 1,000 mph at the equator (and only a few mph at the North Pole), how is it that gravity holds us tight at the equator from being flung into space … but the exact same gravity doesn’t crush us at the North Pole?

    John, I agree with you on 95% of what you write. Please don’t castigate me as a quack, or an unbeliever, or unintelligent. (I only say that, because the attitude I’ve seen in you about this issue has been unlike anything I’ve seen before in your writings.)

    Maybe it’s because of Ezekiel’s Fire.

    You’ve poured so much of yourself into researching and writing about Ezekiel’s Fire and solar flares — as lead by the Holy Spirit and the truth in the Bible, I truly believe — that maybe you’re afraid that a Flat Earth would negate all your God-inspired effort and understanding.

    I believe Ezekiel’s Fire is true and sure. The only thing that would change is the distances/time involved for a solar flare to hit the earth.

    “IF” the earth were flat — which is still a big “IF” in my mind — the sun still exists and does emit solar flares. God would just be acting much closer to us than most people would every imagine.

    Regardless, I’m diligently praying for wisdom from God on this issue. (James 1:5)

    I thank you for your compassion in reading my thoughts. Feel free to respond directly, instead of in the Comments section of OmegaShock.

    In His grip,

    Kyle Hanser

    P.S. As for inter-continental flights in the Southern hemisphere … the only word I’ve received from God about that question, is that those flights only started after the Boeing 787 was sold to airlines. The Boeing 787 flies farther and faster than any plane ever could, and it could handle either spherical or flat earth routes in the time allowed.

    • Hi Kyle Hanser,

      Thank you for that well thought-out comment – as well as your demonstration of brotherly love.

      My biggest concern for ANYONE is their place in eternity. Believing in a Flat Earth does not endanger that in any way. My frustration comes from a completely different direction.

      It’s the issue of evidence, and those who would seek to twist that evidence for their own amusement. Flat Earthers have a specific mindset that makes them unable to see true evidence. It is a kind of psychosis that I have run into in many different areas.

      One of those areas is the Arab-Israeli conflict. Another is finance.

      Please understand that what you choose to believe… will change what you are able to see. If you believe that the Earth is Flat, you will come to believe that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, and you will not be able to see the real conspiracies that are at play.

      Furthermore, these ideas are not useful. They do not help us understand what is coming and the Satanic elites that are playing their roles in what is coming.

      Furthermore, there are physical limits to flight that the Boeing 787 cannot exceed. For a 787 to fly from Australia to Chile in the time indicated, it would need to exceed the sound barrier, which would create stresses that it could not survive for long. And, the fuel consumption would be incredible.

      Science does NOT replace the Bible in this question, but since the Bible says nothing about a Flat Earth, then we are free to listen to what scientists are telling us.

      Please remember that Science had its foundation in Christians and Christianity.

      There is way too much evidence of the ‘globeness’ of the Earth. We ignore such evidence at our peril.

      Thank you, Kyle. May the Lord direct you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  51. Stupidity beyond belief giant made oven to make lave 100 miles down in the earth surface, they are sure hitting the ice drug morning noon and night they never mention the solar eclipses the show the earth shadow as round, plenty of flights have circled over both north and south poles without flying off the edge as they have indicated, they need to stop the lies and deception and baloney they manufacture.

  52. I have been doing a lot of thinking for awhile now – – – why the re-introduction’ of the already dis-proven ‘Flat-Earth’ Religious philosophy / belief / doctrine during these very perilous ‘end times’ when it is the Biblically Prophesied that there will be large scale increases of Satanic inspired and led ‘spiritual blackness’
    – for the ‘Flat-Earth’ Religious belief was/is also believed by the Ancient Babylonian, Egyptian Religions, and the Hindu polytheistic Religion – and by the followers of the Buddhist Religion – and the non-Christian Greek poet Homer, and the ancient Norse and Germanic pagan Religion, and how many other non-Christian Religions ?

    – and then there is also the introduction of the Occult ‘Mandella Effect’
    – and the ‘experiments’ at CERN-LHC {and a number of other inter-linked ‘colliders’ and related ‘experiments’ at RHIC-RACF-BNL / SuperKEKB / TRIUMF / Dark Matter & CDMS}
    – and then there is the International openly Satanic rituals at the ‘Gotthard tunnel’ opening ceremony in Switzerland
    – and ‘Tomorrowland Belgium 2016’ {22-24 July 2016}
    – and the Satanic/Occult Pokémon GO ‘augmented reality game’
    – and the many other “antichrist” Religious beliefs’ – which have been introduced RECENTLY – and/or are ongoing – RIGHT NOW !

    I have come to the Biblical conclusion that they are all nefariously linked together as a deliberate move by”Lucifer”, “Beelzebub”, “the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan” – and his lying counterfeit ‘un-holy spirit’ – and all of the untold multitudes of his ‘evil – and unclean – and seducing spirits’
    – to intentionally cause delusions and confusion among those who DO NOT truly believe “the certainty of the words of truth” that are written in “the word of the Lord”, as they are Divinely preserved in the Holy Bible [AV] – as it is WARNED:
    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
    transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
    And no marvel;
    for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
    whose end shall be according to their works.”
    (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ~ AV)

    – And – Those who have personally chosen to believe that “the Devil” has actually been able to COMPLETELY FOOL THE ENTIRE WORLD – including ‘Biblical CHRISTians’ – with ‘faked’ space exploration
    – from the first modified V2 rocket sending back pictures from +/- 145 miles up of a curved horizon in 1946
    – through the Russian and American sub-orbital and orbital flights
    – then the landings on the moon
    – and the many Space Shuttle flights
    – and the various space stations – including the present ISS
    – and all of the live weather satellite views for many years now
    – and the missions to Mars
    – and GPS
    – and the growing numbers of non-governmental commercial space programs
    – and how many millions of photographs – and how many hundreds of thousands – or millions of hours of filming and videos – from 50+ different countries
    – all by how many hundreds of thousands of people directly involved in all of the various ‘space programs’ – and how many hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses
    – ALL of these by “Satan” – “the god of this world” who can only COUNTERFEIT and CORRUPT that which is real – exactly as it is written in “the word of the Lord”:
    “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
    And he said unto the woman,
    YEA, HATH GOD SAID, . . . . . . ”
    (Genesis 3:1 ~ AV)

    – About “Satan” ~ “the Lord Jesus Christ” personally WARNED the religious crowd of His time:
    “Ye are of your father the devil,
    and the lusts of your father ye will do.
    He was a murderer from the beginning,
    and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
    When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
    (John 8:44 ~ AV)

    – But – it is my Biblical understanding that these occurrences are all an ‘in process fulfillment’ of the ‘end-times’ Prophesy:
    “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,
    deceiving, and being deceived.”
    (2 Timothy 3:13 ~ AV)

    – And it is also my Biblical understanding that the ‘Flat-Earth’ Religious belief – and all of the other false “antichrist” Religious beliefs – which have “a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof” – are an ‘in process fulfillment’ by “the Lord God Almighty” of Biblical Prophesy:
    “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
    because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
    that they should believe a lie:
    That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
    but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
    (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 ~ AV)

    – For the re-emergence of the ‘Flat-Earth’ Religious belief DOES NOT in any way “glorify” “the Lord God Almighty”
    – And it is causing so much contention – And division – And confusion amongst those who truly are ‘Biblical CHRISTians’, And those who say that they are ‘Christians’
    – For the Apostle Paul said:
    “Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
    That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God,
    even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    (Romans 15:5-6 ~ AV)

  53. JL – And it is getting more and ever-more bizarre by the minute.

    I have watched several times a very intense message given by the late Dave Hunt nearly 20 years ago – it sure does explain and confirm so much of what is going on RIGHT NOW – I do personally strongly recommend it
    – ‘Seducing Spirits and Doctrines Of Devils’ – Dave Hunt @

    It is my Biblical understanding that there is so very-very little within the majority so called ‘church’ of ‘Lukewarm CoeXist Ecumenical Laodiceanism’ that even attempts to give any glory unto “the Lord God omnipotent” – worldwide
    – Yet there are very-very few Christians who are paying any attention to the BIBLICAL WARNING about the exponentially increasing Religion of ‘Counterfeit Christendom’:
    “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:
    (2 Timothy 3:5 ~ AV)

    • Hi Michael Gutwein,

      I am impressed by the work that you have done here, and I mourn for what you have been through. I am so sorry.

      I pray that God will guide your children back to you, and that He would hold their lives in the palm of His hands.

      We are the same age, and therefore always know how long we have been in the Last Days.

      Praise God. The Lord is Returning, soon.

      Keep up the good work, Michael.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  54. The claim of this article linking 911 being an inside job or other far more valid conspiracies two flat Earth idiots is precisely why the Flat Earth siop was launched in the first place which is to discredit all other conspiracies because no one wants to be considered a flat earther if they think 9/11 was an inside job.

    Same goes for linking flat-earth idiots when any of the other far more legitimate conspiracies supported by evidence in one form or another. The same absolutely cannot be said about the flat-earth idea as there is not a single fact to backup they delusion.

    Flat Earth is based upon nothing but ignorance, misunderstanding, denial, hypocrisy, blindness, biblical misunderstanding and sheer stupidity combined with willful ignorance and a healthy dose of dunning-kruger.

    So just because flattards also go on and on about other conspiracies which long pedate the recent popularity of this flat Earth insanity doesn’t mean they’re linked… AT ALL.

  55. RE: Amazing Science Discovery
    FROM: Rev. Robert Cote’

    This discovery is a real game changer
    for you and for all of humanity.
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    Check it out.

    An extensive, seven-year, independent research project
    was conducted by the cooperative effort of
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    They used state of the art equipment.
    They conducted a multitude of scientific tests
    to determiner the shape of the Earth.

    As you probably already know,
    they have proven with absolute certainty that
    The Oceans, the Lakes,
    All Waters on Earth Are Flat!
    And that
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    The evidence is so overwhelming
    that it is irrefutable.



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