WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: America Destroyed and the Pretrib Lie

I really touched a nerve when I described the Pretribulation Rapture as a lie. I’ve never gotten so many irate comments in such a short amount of time. However, as WWII bomber pilots were known to say:

When you’re taking flak, you’re right over the target.

Unfortunately, I’m afraid that the Pretribulation Rapture Lie is the single most important issue for those of us trying to awaken our brothers and sisters. The Body of Christ is in grave peril, and this lie is working to keep us asleep while Satan ushers in his Antichrist.

Worse, 99% of what I talk about will happen BEFORE the Tribulation begins. Yet, I find countless dispensationalists coming to me to say that we have nothing to fear, because the Rapture will happen before any great suffering.


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Unfortunately, this is a terrible lie. We are years away from the Tribulation, but maybe only months (or even weeks) away from the destruction of America and the death of millions.

Please, stop using this lie as an excuse to do nothing.

You must awaken from your sleep and prepare for what is coming. And, if you  won’t do it for yourself, do it for those around you. You will be saving more than just your own life, as you prepare for what is coming.

WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: America Destroyed and the Pretrib Lie

So, what did we talk about this week?

This week we talked about The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie and took a new look at the wounded head of Revelation 13. Unfortunately, enough cannot be said about this great deception that I call the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie, and it is keeping us from seeing the coming destruction of America. That destruction is symbolized by the Greek short-sword, the Makhaira. It is the tool of the assassin, and an EMP attack is first on my list of how America could be assassinated. However, we must not discount acts of sabotage, and we even need to keep an eye out for China and her arsenal of biological weapons.

So, let’s talk about that.

Listen to the WEEKEND SHOCKCAST for August 2nd, here:

Weekend ShockCast for August 2, 2014 – John Little



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The Articles That You Will Find in This WEEKEND SHOCKCAST

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I try to always ask God for direction before I write, because I truly want every word that I write to be what He wants you to read. I really do. It scares me that I would lead you astray in ANYTHING. Unfortunately, because I am fallible, you cannot trust my words completely. I really am no better than you are.

(Click HERE, for the previous week’s series on Bible Twisting.)

I say all that, because I wanted to write something else today. There are such dire threats facing us, that talking about spiritual lies seems like a waste of time. The problem is that you won’t heed my warnings, if you believe spiritual lies. So, here we go again.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


TUESDAY –  America Destroyed Redux – Part 1 – Death by Makhaira

America Destroyed Redux – Part 1 – Death by Makhaira

When I did my America Destroyed series, I talked about this as the fulfillment of Revelation 13:3. And, a few of you responded by making a connection to ancient slaughtering methods. I initially wasn’t so sure, but was prompted to look at the original Greek of Revelation 13:14.

That made me think. The original Greek word for sword, used in verse 14, isn’t one of those big blades that Medieval knights would whack each other with. It’s a makhaira, as opposed to a rhomphaia.

This distinction made me realize that there might be a bit more to this.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


WEDNESDAY –  America Destroyed Redux – Part 2 – The EMP Assassin

America Destroyed Redux – Part 2 – The EMP Assassin

In part 4 of my America Destroyed series, I laid out the only option that made sense to me – an EMP attack. But, having discovered that the makhaira could be an assassin’s weapon, I think that we should revisit this idea. Furthermore, there is evidence to indicate that an assassination attempt on the US – by EMP – is in our future.

There are indications that the US Navy has taken extraordinary steps to protect the US and itself from EMP attack, and that thought should concentrate all of our minds. The lives of hundreds of millions of Americans and Canadians are at stake, and that includes you and your family.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


THURSDAY –  America Destroyed Redux – Part 3 – Sabotage

America Destroyed Redux – Part 3 – Sabotage

There is more than one way for an assassin to destroy the United States. We talked about an EMP attack yesterday, and I believe that this still poses the single biggest threat to the US. But, there are others that might work just as well.

We call it sabotage, and it is the ancient art of a different kind of assassin – the saboteur. It is an incredibly effective tactic, especially when the target country is strategically vulnerable at a single point.

Unfortunately, America is just such a country and wide open to just such an attack. The fact that foreigners are flowing in across the southern border… unchecked …well, it should add emphasis to this point.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


FRIDAY – America Destroyed Redux – Part 4 – China

America Destroyed Redux – Part 4 – China

The idea that my homeland would be murdered by EMP or sabotage fills me with horror. I love what my country once was, and such death and destruction is almost too much to think about. Unfortunately, we must not shrink from such thoughts because there can be no hope, without preparation.

This brings us to China.

I find China to be an interesting threat because she is so complex, in so many different ways. Her motivations are different than ours. Her way of thinking and how her society works is completely foreign to us.

I, myself, have been immersed in Chinese culture – here in Taiwan – for close to four years, and I still find myself perplexed by this fascinating society.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
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41 thoughts on “WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: America Destroyed and the Pretrib Lie”

  1. I’m new to your newsletter, having just subscribed a couple of days ago. What first caught my attention was your article on the Pretribulation Rapture lie. I grew up believing in the Rapture, but by the grace of God I’ve seen the folly of that error. Thank you for sharing it as it is. I look forward to catching up on your other articles as well. God Bless you dear brother!!

  2. I believed in the pretrib rapture for many years. When the Lord really opened up Revelation to me I could no longer believe it to be the truth. What I don’t understand is how really intelligent prophecy teachers such as Hal Lindsey, Dave Reagan, Gary Stearman and others hold so staunchly to this teaching. That Rev. 4:1 is the rapture would be laughable except that so many Christians believe it and will be utterly unprepared for what is at the door.

  3. IF people really want to find the ‘rapture truth’, all they have to do would be to look up a couple of guy’s…Darby, the other…Schofield.
    They might, just might find the rapture theory started with these two gentleman
    (term loosely used) an one will discover the origination point came from a young girl thru a dream. This young lady was from either
    Ireland or Scotland. Memory does sometimes fail us. heheheheh.
    At no previous time in history prior to this (1880 roughly) had there been any teachings regarding the devils tricks….the rapture.

    One may also find it interesting to follow Christmas, its origins and the start of another of uncle satan’s lies!
    I doubt if any will follow that one down….After all it is written in the Bible regarding this pagan practice and the masses keep right on doin it.

  4. We only see in part and know in part…but watchman, keep sounding the truth and the alarm. Isn’t it interesting how the earthly powers pay closer attention to the prophetic word of God than his sheep. And Try to slant it to their gain. BUT Some of us are mountain sheep, we don’t follow the sleepy herd, we LISTEN to the Truth and the Call of what our Shepherd (the living WORD) is trying tell us through his prophets and watchman. Thank you for taking time to write your posts. Praying always for all the watchmen.

  5. Pretrib rapture lie is a very touchy subject , but people need to study the lie completely so they can discover the truth . I believed in this lie because it suited my escapist mentality because I didn’t want to suffer. I even defended this theory for a long time but your words rang true with truth in my spirit and I had to come to the realization that the pretrib rapture is a lie along with the mid trib rapture lie !!! This world will need to be prepared for the wrath that is to come so that their faith can grow stronger and their eyes need to be opened to the truth of The Lord so the lies of satan doesn’t condemn them to hell .

  6. Hello John Little again.
    After my admonition of you a couple of days ago, I see you are still scoffing. Looks like there is no knocking you off your pedestal. Enjoy yourself while it lasts.

    For those in the Pretrib world out there feeling discouraged by all of this, and even though my personal beliefs regarding when the rapture are, not Pre trib, but Pre wrath, and Pre-70th week, I still view you as brothers and sisters in Christ despite our differences in end time theology. Do Not let the divisiveness of this man destroy the unity in the church, between those who believe in the same Jesus, and the same Gospel. “They will know we are Christians by our Love for one another”.

    You are scoffing at their hope, which is unseen. As Peter writes: “3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming?” (2 Peter 3:3-4)

    Revelation saints are a group of people that are called to suffer persecution and death at the hands of the beast, as part of the wrath of the devil. (Rev. 12:12). Though many pretribbers would say this group is the left behind, or the Saints of Israel, I believe by faith, that they are a chosen (set apart) group of believers who have been tried in the wilderness by our Lord, and deemed worthy to receive this honor. They willingly offer themselves that others may not have to face these things. Can I prove this intellectually to you? Probably not. But I know it is true because HE has told me, and called me to this. What the outcome of this will be, has not been revealed, except that it involves Luke 21:12-18. But If your attitude is not that of Christ with regard to this, then chances are you are now succumbing to the Strong delusion, and will be among those Brothers and sisters persecuting other Christians. Consider this carefully. The Strong delusion is the lie, and Which comes after the rebellion on those who are perishing. They will think they are doing God’s will as they persecute fellow believers. Something you are falling victim to now, as your “love is growing cold” (Matthew 24:12).

    46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? (Luke 6:46)
    12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:12-13).

    I sense some of your frustration, as I felt it at one time as well, but there is a better way, and that is the way of Love. Consider carefully (with fear and trembling)
    God Bless.

    • Hi David H.,

      I had to delete your discussion of pretrib theory. There is a limit to how much time I have to respond, and this comment section is already very long. I want to give as many people as possible a chance to comment.

      As to your points about myself, you are probably right. But, you are also asking me to help brothers and sisters to preserve a lie that is killing them.

      Do I scoff at any idea that would say that Jesus is not God?

      OF COURSE!

      I try very hard not to scoff at those who believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie. It is a personal rule of mine to never attack the person, but always the idea. However, I sometimes violate that rule, and I hate it when I do that. I truly am sorry for any offense in such cases.

      But, I am NOT sorry for calling what is true, as truth – and what is a lie as a lie.

      David, time is running out. When Paul attempted to recover the church at Galatia, he called them ‘foolish Galatians’.

      Would you criticize Paul, as well?

      I stand guilty of many things, but one thing that I am not guilty of is that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory is a Lie. All who are shown the truth of this lie, and choose to hold onto it, anyway… well, it’s a sin.

      I’m sorry, David. The truth is the truth. It does not give me pleasure that division comes because I proclaim it. But, the truth has always caused division.

      Thank you, David. I appreciate your admonition.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • You mention Paul, and his rebuke of the Galatian church, my rebuke is also based on Paul’s teachings, directly. The fact that you chose to delete what is the strongest argument for the Pre-trib rapture, and why I who am pre wrath refuse to rebuke them.

        Any ways, here is the scripture that I base my rebuke on:


        Read from verse 10 to the end of the chapter. You see, your “faith” is in your own intellect, Not in Christ Jesus. and the fact that you are will to divide the church because your own intellect tells you to do so is a shame. You are in fact are working against the Lord’s high priestly prayer as found in John 17, and therefore not doing his will. You are undoubtedly, a very smart person. But the Gospel is foolishness to those who think like the Greeks.

        For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

        Now, I have tested the Spirit in these men of God who hold to the pre trib rapture. They have passed that test overwhelmingly. Thus I, who only know in part, am obligated to receive their teaching, That the fullness of Christ may be fulfilled in us. They have a hope that is unseen by the intellect, and it is my hope that they are right. Many of them have also received what the Lord has revealed to me as well….though they will debate me about it, they cannot deny it, for I proclaim that Jesus is the Lord (1 Cor 12:3), and we are not afraid to say to one another “we do know it all, but we believe by faith”

        Thanks again for your humility, and consideration of my remarks. The real question is does this lead to Godly repentance. When I confronted John MacArthur, he could not bring himself to recant his position on the mark of the beast, because he had too much invested in his ministry and considered himself too wise to be corrected by little old me, one of the Laity. I trust that you have not gotten to that point yet on your pedestal to step down off of it, now having four posts on your site promoting this divisiveness. Your Posts are causing a great divide in the church, one which you do not see. Again, I see you as a Brother in Christ, But Just like Paul rebuked Peter in Galatians, I do so with you. If Peter was not above corrections, then neither are we.

        God Bless

        • Hi David H.

          I have a responsibility to God for what appears on this website. If I perceive something to be in error, it is my responsibility to decide whether to delete it, or to merely argue against it. In your case, I chose to delete it.

          Furthermore, there is no time left for a softly-softly approach. I appreciate your desire to be gentle towards our brothers and sisters, and I would love to do the same. In fact, I HAVE done the same in the past.

          David, I have an expertise in foreign policy, global conflict and finance. We are very, very close to the catastrophe that will usher in the Antichrist system.

          Do you honestly think that taking a gentle approach is warranted?

          When a ship is sinking, you scream and yell for people to get into the life boats. And now is the time for screaming and yelling.

          Furthermore, I am offended in my spirit that our brothers and sisters would dare to twist the precious words of God. And, I find it strange that others would not feel the same offense. How dare ANYONE twist the Bible to their own profit!

          I’m sorry that you perceive my ‘conviction’ as pride. This faulty perception is your own cross to bear. You do not know me, nor do you understand my ministry.

          Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. – John 7:24

          David, I’m glad that you understand that we will go through the tribulation. Now, my next question is whether you have prepared for disaster, and are helping others prepare.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • you deleted the best argument for the pretrib rapture, because there is no way to refute it. It is a blessed unseen hope, believed in by faith. It shows you are attacking the faith of fellow believers. And You do not like this kind of exposure.

          • David,

            If I did not like this ‘exposure’ why would I allow your comments?

            I have a responsibility to God for what appears on this site. If I believe something to be heresy and damaging to the Body of Christ, I have a responsibility to not publish it.

            For you not to see that is perplexing.

            Don’t you understand that The Truth is not some idle game played by theologians?

            The truth is life and death.

            David, you have forgotten how important it is to love God and His words.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  7. John,
    My Only prep is to trust in the Lord, as he cares for the birds of the air, he will care for his saints. Again, survival is not the goal for the saints, doing the will of God is. Rev. 13 states that some saints will go into captivity and death at the hands of the beast. This is the Plan and will of God. He allows this to occur. This is how we show our love for one another, as Christ COMMANDED us. By implication, in this verse, there are three groups. Those who escape the tribulation of the MOB, those who go into captivity, and those who go to death. This should be simple Greek Logic here. So who are they that escape all things?

    Here is one, the church of Philadelphia…(Rev.3:10)
    The church of Smyrna will see only 10 days of tribulation…(Rev. 2:9-11)

    So are these churches non existent anymore? Prove it?

    I wrote a Judgment against you above: ” your “faith” is in your own intellect,”.

    In your response, You only prove this judgment true, when you fall back on your expertise in certain fields of study. That is what John MacArthur did as well, And others who I have admonished that are pre-tribbers who condemn mid and post tribbers. I do not care how much experience you have, because it is not the Wisdom of God, as Spoken of in the passage in 1 Corinthians above. “Learned ignorance” is what it is called….I was full of it when I was in college… God had to knock me down in order to teach me his wisdom.

    What you are encountering in the many pre-tribbers is this same “Learned ignorance.” Your writings have put them on the defensive, and they are grabbing at straws to prove what they believe…This is the twisting of scripture you are talking about. Many of them were taught to believe it by traditions and doctrines of men, when in fact it is an unseen hope, unprovable by the philosophies of man. What this means, is that people like you are in fact the cause of these twistings of scripture, as pre-tribbers are forced to defend their position in the world of human logic. That is like taking candy from a child, and then having them prove it was theirs to begin with.

    As for Judging People, We are not to judge the world, but those within the body who are falling into sin we are to judge. (1 Corinthians 5:9-13) Your actions, and attitude are contrary to the will of God, in that they are dividing his Body. I have rightly called you out on this. What is it that you are hoping to do here by raising this divisiveness? Are you sure you are not on an ego trip? Like I said, I have been down this road and it goes nowhere. It is the Lord who will rebuke you for this when it comes time. For now, you hold on to your pride, when you should be throwing it away, as you put to death your own flesh, and the need to be glorified in your ministry. Is your ministry being done for the Lord, if it is contrary to his will as quoted in scripture? Are You Serving God, or yourself? You need to take the high road, and the narrow path, Not the one that leads to destruction.

    Don’t listen to me. Humble yourself before him, Pray the following, He will show you the way:
    Psalm 139:23-24

    • Hi David H.,

      I find it interesting that you judge me so thoroughly, yet know me so little. You do NOT understand my motivations. Nor, do you understand my passion for the truth, or the love that I have for God and His words.

      David, you have lost sight of what time it is, and you have forgotten the need to warn our brethren of the danger that they are in. Their blood will be held against us, if we do not do our best to warn.

      The principle verse of this website is this:

      Luke 21:36
      Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

      Do you pray that prayer, always?

      David, for you to stand in judgment with so little knowledge to judge with is distressing. I wonder at what others have been the focus of your accusations.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John,
        I confront the proud, that is part of my calling. I confront those who arrogantly say they know all truth, and condemn others who do not agree with them. I was sent to confound the wise. My Calling was both revealed through his word, and via a dream/vision. I Confront people Lovingly, yet sternly. The result of the confrontation is either Godly repentance, or entrenchment and falling away. Much like Jesus confronted the Pharisees of his day, knowing full well that those who rejected his message and did not repent would eventually kill him.

        Your goal is to wake people up, my goal is to make them ready for his coming. By ready, I mean reach repentance, not agree with my theology, or eschatology. I see your interpretation of this topic as partially correct. I see the pre-tribbers as partially correct, but it does not matter who is more right or wrong if neither group has reached repentance.

        Just before the Parable of the tax collector and the Pharisse, Jesus asks the following question: ” Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” (Luke 18:8) The parable following it explains what he means. Just like the Pharisees who thought that they had it all figured out, and that they were right with God, We live in an age with similar arrogance, when we should in humility be praying the prayer of the Tax collector. Or as a second witness of this arrogance read the letter to the Laodicean church. THIS IS WHAT I WAS SENT TO CONFRONT. The worst offenders of this are the pastors and leaders in the churches, and second on the list are the self appointed rabbis on the internet.

        My Judgment is based on your own words on this site, within your comments primarily.
        17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18 And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. (James 3:17-18, Read the whole chapter)
        God Bless.

        • Hi David H.,

          I’m sorry David, but I have doubts about this ministry of yours. You claim to be serving the Lord, yet you are ambivalent about the Truth. Furthermore, when I consider (and prove) the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory to be lie, you are offended by this.

          And, when I am upset at those who would dare to twist the precious words of God, you label this as pride.

          David, I think that you need to examine yourself.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  8. John,
    You can post this comment.
    I am not your adversary. Whether you believe that the Lord sent me or in my ministry, that is up to you. We will both answer To the Lord. You mentioned your key verse above on your site, I just noticed your other one, and perhaps that is the one you should consider here. “My people are destroyed for Lack of Knowledge…”. Both sides of this debate are lacking in the Wisdom of God. Is it so hard to accept the FACT that we do not know it all, that we only know in part?

    Is it so hard to admit that we learn form one another, and that we are given various gifts of the manifold Wisdom of God, and that together, we are stronger? Put away the childish attitude, that you have got it all figured out, and let him teach you His Wisdom. I can assure you, that you will not be disappointed. Each time you do this, your mind becomes more Christlike in its humility. (Phillipians 2)

    God Bless.

    • Hi David H,

      If this were 20 years ago, I would agree with you. But, this ISN’T the 90s.

      The Titanic is sinking, and I’m calling everyone to the lifeboats.

      You are telling me that this is a time for calm and thoughtful discourse. I’m telling you that it is NOT.

      Now is the time to scream and yell, rant and rave and do whatever else it takes to wake people up. The ship is sinking.

      How much blood do you want on your hands, when He asks you why you did not warn those who were going towards destruction?

      Read Ezekiel 3:20. THAT is what this is all about.

      Please understand that there is destruction headed our way. I have the background in finance and foreign policy that gives me the ability to see what is coming. And, I’m telling you that disaster is almost upon us.

      Our brothers and sisters are using a lie to keep themselves from preparing for it. We can argue about how big a lie it is, but even you agree that it isn’t the truth. The fact that it is being used as an excuse to do nothing in the face of disaster… well, it’s truly an abomination.

      Stop confusing passion with pride. What is it going to take for you to see the difference?

      Do you think that I enjoy writing this stuff?

      If I was as proud as you accuse me of being, do you think that we would be having this ‘conversation’?

      Wake up, David. Time has almost run out.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  9. this is my final comment to you, your blood is no longer on my hands as well.

    In 2004 I saw the bubble and knew what was coming upon us. I made all the preparations that I could for the impending events, and warned everyone I knew, and very few were willing to listen. But even my preparations were not enough. Because the Lord took me to an unanticipated place, that being the “wilderness”. A time of trial and testing that has lasted for many years. I cannot begin to explain all those trials, but I can tell you, that he has taught me to trust in him, and know that he is in control….not me. This is a hard lesson to learn. To relinquish control and to trust God. To submit to him. To Put to death the flesh, and the desires of the flesh, and be led by the Holy Spirit alone.

    That Trial is coming upon each and every believer, as Judgment begins with the House of God (1 Peter 4:17). All your preparations and plans to spare your life will be in vain, so do not say then, that I did not warn you. He who seeks to save his life will lose it, and he who loses his life will keep it. Jesus said this after he told the disciples to remember Lot’s wife. You see, she looked back at her world, instead of fleeing from the things of this world. Her heart was for the material things of this world, and not the Spiritual.

    Preppers are those who are seeking to preserve this life, instead of letting go of the things of this world. Their trust in the Lord is not fully developed, and they are relying on themselves and their own actions to save themselves, instead saying as Christ did, “Nevertheless, not my will but thine be done.”

    So who is more ready? The one who has 100 ounces of gold, and food storage to last ten years, or the one that trusts in Jesus to take care of them? What you cannot prep for, is what the Lord will allow to happen to you. Your food stores could be nuked, along with your gold, and then what do you have? They can be stolen from you, and then what do you have? Then you only have your own wisdom to guide you, which eventually will lead to a snare and a trap. Because you have not stored for yourself treasures in heaven, where moth and rust does not corrupt, and have not filled yourself with the wisdom of God, but only the wisdom of the world. Watch the following.


    Fyi:, you are more humble than most who I have confronted, but you have not reached repentance yet. Read that verse in context from 2 Peter 3:9.

    • Hi David H.,

      I am surprised that you would accuse me of promoting shallow preparation, when every article that I write is directly linked to the most important preparation of all – our Lord and Savior. If you had just taken a few seconds to click the preparation link at the bottom of any one of my articles, you would have found it.

      David, in my walk, I have found many who accuse others of the very thing that they are guilty of. You are far more proud than you think. You have lifted yourself up as judge and jury of those who are doing their best to serve the Lord. You have pointed the finger at those who struggle to minister in the Body of Christ.

      None of us are perfect, and I admit my faults often. But, I have to wonder at these ‘lone wolf’ attacks that you make upon other ministries.

      David, I think that you have some serious soul-searching ahead of you, if you are as serious as you say you are about serving the Lord.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  10. Yes, That is the response I was expecting from you. This is how pride always is. everyone hates a proud person, but then when it is pointed out in them, the reverse is thrown back at them.

    Was Jesus a Lone wolf? In Matthew 23, he pronounced Woes on the Pharisees, who thought they had it all figured out, yet they were blind. How about John the Baptist, when he preached repentance to the Israelites? Or How about the whole litany of “Lone wolves” in the Old testament? How about Paul, who in his letters he admonished many different churches for the same arrogance? Now though I pail in comparison to these men of God, I do know that he called me.

    Your doubt in this, has now turned to unbelief. So which one of us is right? Which one is judging the other? Do you see where this is going yet? In your heart, you have Judged me as well. You have said I do not serve the Lord. Have you tested the Spirit in me? Are you saying it is of Satan? Because if yes, you have crossed a line. A line that you do not want to cross. How about all those Pre-tribbers out there who are true believers? You have accused them of believing a lie of Satan. Does that mean the Spirit in them is of Satan? Have you done this yet?

    Because that is what you are dangerously close to doing, committing the unpardonable sin….Yet you cannot see this because you are so full of your own understanding. Open your eyes, before it is too late.

    This will be the final comment, as I have now pushed you to the point where You either repent or commit the unpardonable sin. There is no other option here. What you have missed in this whole debate, Is how close you are to this line of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. All of these posts that are condemning brothers and sisters in Christ because you disagree with their eschatology. The Sword is now piercing your Marrow, and if you are not careful, the wound will kill you. Do you at the least see now, why I have been so hard on you?
    17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin. (James 4:17) Now you know the right thing to do.

    Read 1 Corinthians 2
    Jesus is the Lord (I cor. 12:3)

    • Hi David H,

      Are you saying that there is more than one truth?

      That the pre-trib and the post-trib are BOTH true?

      Are you saying that it’s wrong to claim that one is true and the other is a lie?

      Are you saying that it is not possible for us to believe a lie, because we have the Holy Spirit?

      Our brothers and sisters who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture lie are deceived. They believe in a lie.

      You are offended that I would call this THEORY a lie.

      That is the source of your accusation of pride – that I would dare to say that the belief of some… is a lie.

      David, you are promoting the very spirit of false teaching. This is the same spirit of error that has infected our churches – to compromise on the truth. This is the very same spirit that causes pastors to join hands with the Vatican.

      This is a lying spirit.

      You have forsaken the way of truth, David. You must repent of this, before it is too late.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • My message is about the heart, and about attitude.
        2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. (1 Cor. 13)

        Regarding the truth, I am saying their is one truth, But both the pre-tribbers and yourself have only a part of the truth. We all, “Know in part”. Until you understand this, you are on a pedestal because you think you know all truth.

        Man’s understanding and the Wisdom of this world is prone to believing lies. The Holy Spirit reveals Truth, and is also known as the Spirit of Truth.
        We are given gifts according to the Spirit that are varied, as members of the body have varied uses. To deny another’s gift is to cut off a part of that Body. In the same way, Knowledge and wisdom from God is “Manifold”, and distributed among the churches, exactly for the reason that if one man were given all knowledge their pride would overcome them. (Read 1 Cor. 12)

        Pre-tribbers believe in a partial truth, Just like you do. Neither side has the fullness of understanding. None of us will till the second coming, and to think that you do is to make man out to be God.

        Scripture gives us the Truth we are to hold onto. Belief in The same Jesus as the Jesus of scripture (1 John 4:1-6) And Preaching the same Gospel. And the right relationship between man and God. Pride, is the original sin. Man trying to be like God. The Sanctifying work of the HS expressly works on this pride.

        The catholic church preaches a different Gospel than the Bible. That does not mean there are no Christians in the catholic church. The Hierarchy and the dogma are corrupt, but each person will be Judged according to their heart.

        I vehemently oppose the doctrines of the Vatican, and the exaltation of any man above others. That is also why I am opposing you here, because your arrogance is no different than the Pope’s self exaltation. By saying you have all truth, you are doing this. You just cannot see it.

        up until this conversation, you have never even known what the test of the Spirits is. Yes, You may have read parts of scripture discussing this, But they are there for us to discern who is of God, and who is not of God. We are to reject those who do not pass the test. But what about those who do pass the test, only disagree with our understanding of things? Perhaps this is why there are seven Spirits at the seven churches in Revelation? Paul writes: “11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.” (1 Cor. 12:11) Thus fullness comes in fellowship with one another, and unity. This is Not the false ecumenical movement of the Catholic church that Robison and Copeland are partaking in. This is fulfilling the Promise of unity (Eph. 4, John 17, 1 Cor. 1-4, 12, James 3-4) This is a big part of scripture, as there are many more verses to point to here. I have quoted bits of all of them, I suggest you study this. This is Jesus prayer request in John 17, that we become perfectly One…This is his will….You oppose this.


        To answer your question, I am not the one that is compromising on the Truth, It is you who wish to limit God to your own understanding.
        “Who has measured the Spirit of the Lord,
        or what man shows him his counsel?” ( Isaiah 40:13)

        • Hi David H.,

          Your message is about the heart?

          So, you are judging my heart?

          You dare to say that you have the power to do this?

          Second, you preach the need for unity at all costs. Nowhere does God speak like this. Nowhere.

          Third, Jesus Himself said that He was a source of division – as the Truth always is.

          I oppose error and heresy David, and you welcome it.

          I have provided the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and you have provided… Nothing.

          I don’t know what is driving you to be my judge and jury over this, but it is not the Holy Spirit. You don’t have a love of the truth, and you don’t understand it, when others show it. You can’t even seem to understand what I am trying to do here.

          You have leveled false accusation after false accusation, David, and I have answered them. But, you feel the need to keep trying.

          The Pre-Tribulation Rapture THEORY is a Lie, and you hate the fact that I would dare to say such a thing.

          Examine yourself, David. You are not who you claim to be.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • No where does god speak of unity?? You do believe Jesus is God incarnate, correct?

            11 Now I am no longer in the world. They are in the world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, guard them by the power of your name, which you have given to me, so that they may be one, just as we are. (John 17:11 Jesus’ High priestly prayer)

            You do believe that the Holy Spirit inspired Paul’s writings, and the Holy Spirit is One with the Lord?

            11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the UNITY OF THE FAITH and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, 14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. 15 Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

            I could go on here….
            RE: The heart: Sound doctrine, without sound attitude is nothing. What is sound attitude? The way of Love. Notice how Truth is always tied to Love, Because God is Love, and Truth. Was paul judging the heart, when he wrote 1 Cor. 13?

          • Hi David H.,

            You have yet again twisted my words and represented them with dishonesty. Here is what I said:

            Second, you preach the need for unity at all costs. Nowhere does God speak like this. Nowhere.

            I even copied and pasted my words to make sure that I got it right. And yes, nowhere in the Bible does it preach unity at all costs. NOWHERE.

            Do you think that every Christian is guided by the Holy Spirit to the same degree?

            Do you think that Christians that have stuffed their minds with the works of men and have quenched the Holy Spirit are as guided by the Holy Spirit as others who have not?

            Your position does not make sense.

            Since you quote me scripture, allow me to do the same:

            Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. – Jude 21-23

            You will notice that I deal more gently with some comments than with others. Those three verses that come from Jude are my guiding principle. If I did not have love for those who leave comments, I would have deleted all that do not agree with me, out of hand – yours included.

            In fact, if I did not have a desperate love for those who read my work, I would not have forsaken my career to do this for nothing.

            Furthermore, the way of Love is NOT a sound attitude. You again are twisting the words of the Bible. Love is a motivation and a choice, not a ‘sound attitude’.

            David, I do not know where you’ve gone wrong in your spiritual life, that you have arrived at this point – having embraced the spirit of compromise, regarding the truth. There is no compromise with the truth. None.

            In fact, it is a lie, and to preach it is to be a false teacher.

            Allow me to borrow from the verses you quote. When Paul said to not be ‘tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine’, he was speaking directly against the very position that you take.

            The Truth is the Truth, and all else is a lie. To say otherwise is to lie.

            David, you must repent of where you stand and turn back towards the Lord. If you do not, the wrath of God will be in your future – either in this life, or the next.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  11. John Little,
    I Know I said a couple of comments ago, that it would be my last.
    This one is, as I felt compelled to answer your last set of questions for me.

    I Hold none of this against you as a brother in Christ, and I trust the sentiment is mutual. Regarding all of this, sometimes those who are asleep will not awaken till distress falls upon them. My Dad, was a WWII vet. He was such a light sleeper that he would wake at the sound of a pin dropping. Such is the nature of Battle and warfare. Others require clanging cymbals to wake them. I respect your desire to awaken people to what is coming. It is not that I oppose this at all. I do oppose the need of yours to convert people to your understanding of eschatology. There are too many ways to interpret this, and I suspect we will all be proven wrong in one aspect or another. Using words like “Lie”, and a “deception of the devil” to describe what is ones “opinion” and “theory” is detrimental, and at the same time exalting our own opinion and theory as Truth is even more detrimental. The churches have enough of these sorts of people, and I encourage you to not follow in those footsteps.

    You can be a light to the people, but with the above attitude you will not. Light has the ability to awaken us gently, even the deepest of sleepers. Sometimes we may require a rooster to crow in the distance, but it is always the light that awakens us, and lets us stay awake. Jesus said that he is the bright and morning star. There is an aspect of Morning light in his second coming. If you are called of him, These words will be taken to heart. Wait on him, and he will exalt you, do not try to exalt yourself. Many self exalted preachers will be falling soon, be a beacon of light and love for those who are coming out of that delusion and slumber. Understand the following blessing, as I pray it over you. Notice especially the shining light.

    24 ‘Y’varekh’kha Adonai v’yishmerekha.
    [May Adonai bless you and keep you.]
    25 Ya’er Adonai panav eleikha vichunekka.
    [May Adonai make his face shine on you and show you his favor.]
    26 Yissa Adonai panav eleikha v’yasem l’kha shalom.
    [May Adonai lift up his face toward you and give you peace.]’ (Numbers 6:24-26 CJB)

    • Hi David H.,

      Again, you have touched the heart of the matter, and why we are having this discussion.

      I understand that some of what I believe might not be true, and therefore a lie. And, I would never tell someone that they should not call what I believe… to be a lie… if that is what they truly believe.

      We are to have a PASSION for the truth. It should consume us and drive us ever forward to determine what it is. For you to say that I shouldn’t call what I believe to be a lie… a lie… well, it is to take that first step down a slippery slope.

      I cry out to everyone that Jesus is God – and that all who disagree are preaching a lie.

      Would you dare to tell me that I shouldn’t say such a thing?

      Because the words of Jesus Himself said that the Rapture would happen AFTER the Tribulation, I am as convinced of that truth, as I am that Jesus is God.

      Yet you would tell me that I should not call all ideas that disagree, lies?

      You are asking me to compromise on the truth, to even be dishonest about what I passionately believe.

      You would dare to ask this of me?

      David, you have not thought through these demands and accusations.

      Furthermore, allow me to admonish you to use the true name of the Lord when reciting any verse in the Old Testament. It is Yehovah – not Adonai.

      Jewish commentaries and Rabbis have infected the teaching in seminaries, and it needs to stop.

      David, please search your soul for why you are doing and saying what you do. I do not believe that the Lord is pleased with this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John,
        I Quoted the Complete Jewish Bible, because I thought that you would appreciate the Hebrew being that you lived in Israel. Having Looked up the original Hebrew in Strong’s concordance, I see you are right on the use of Yehovah as opposed to Adonai in those verses, and stand corrected. I will not use the CJB anymore because of this. Yes, I am fallible.

        Regarding Truth, There is TRUTH as revealed from God, and there is apparent truth that is a social construct of man. Read Matthew 15:1-9. Here, Jesus is talking to the Pharisees about how they had turned teaching of man, in this case , the washing of hands, into a commandment of God.

        I cannot expect you to understand this distinction, but many churches have these strongholds in their doctrines and beliefs, which they refuse to let go of because they are so ingrained in their church culture. The pre trib rapture is one of them, and I am fully in agreement with you on that, in that it has become an excuse to avoid the responsibility to prepare for his coming. But unfortunately, I see your theory as reactionary to this stronghold, and building just another tower from which to condemn the other side. That has been my dispute all along.

        My Point here, which you do not see yet, is that my passion for Truth does not allow me to negate the concept of a pre-tribulation rapture for some. For example, it is my hope that my children will not have to face these things, and that the Lord will remove them from the world. This is totally in keeping with his character. But I cannot make this into a truth, but must keep it as such, an unseen Hope. The Pre-trib rapture is an unseen Hope, believed in by faith. A mystery. I cannot declare it true, nor false…and if you are honest, even with your arguments against it, neither can you.

        To Put this in mundane terms, You reach into a bag and ten times out of ten, you pull out an apple. You still cannot say with certainty that this is a bag full of apples, as the next fruit could well be an orange. Now if the bag says on it just “Produce”, thus it is not specified, and you cannot observe all the contents of that bag, as we are partly blind to its content. Thus , to make the claim that this is a bag of apples is a fallacy, not a Truth. It may be proved true when the contents are fully known, but for now, as Paul puts it, we see through a glass dimly. I just do not want you to be disappointed when the orange is revealed, as that is difference between worldly repentance and Godly repentance….one occurs when the truth is exposed. The other is a proactive step taken before the truth is exposed. So though I may agree that the bag is likely to contain only apples, and probability may suggest this is true, It still cannot account for the possibility of the anomaly which is yet a mystery. [:)]

        I thank the Lord daily, that my salvation is not dependent upon my understanding of end times properly. I Know my limitations, and I dare not use my understanding to limit God, and put him in a the box that is my understanding. I Know that he is fully in control, and will carry out his plan according to his will. If you cannot understand this mindset, then I am sorry for even trying to get you to understand it. This is childlike faith, ironic isn’t it? The more we mature, the more our faith becomes like a child? That we cry out to him “Abba, Father”? That when we submit to him, we are free? That He uses the weak to overcome the strong? The foolish to confound the wise?

        There are some verses that I hold to, which were given to me at my Baptism.
        Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
        and do not lean on your own understanding.
        6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
        and he will make straight your paths.
        7 Be not wise in your own eyes;
        fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. (Proverbs 3:5-7)

        Is this a spirit of compromise as you accuse me of having?????? If anything, this is understanding the right relationship between man and God. When you say that Jesus is God above, and this is truth, I fully agree with you. This is one of those uncompromisable Truths of our faith. When the rapture occurs is NOT one of them. Thus comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. This argument has holes…

        Go back now, and read all your comments. There are so many contradictions in them, and holey(not HolyLOL) arguments, it is almost laughable. I say this not as an insult to you, but to get you to see your error, and correct it.


        • Hi David H,

          You really do not get it. I understand your position far better than you think that I do. You are not the first, or even second person that I’ve had to deal with over the idea of truth.

          You think that somehow there is more than one possibility about the Last Days, but there isn’t. There is only one, and the Bible clearly indicates this.

          Yes, some things are difficult to understand from our viewpoint in 2014, but that does NOT change the fact that they are set in stone. Nor, are all the prophecies of the Last Days that difficult to figure out.

          Jesus specifically said that the Rapture was AFTER the tribulation. He didn’t use the word ‘Rapture’ in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, but He described the process. What our brethren have done in twisting the words of Jesus is an abomination. The words of God are precious, but the words of Jesus are most precious of all.

          To merely quote the words of Jesus is hardly leaning on my own understanding or being wise in my own eyes. Your false accusations against myself indicates that you are far and away more guilty of this sin, than myself.

          David, in terms of the truth, you have taken the path of compromise. There can be no compromise over the truth. Compromise over the truth is the way of Satan, and not of God. When the Bible speaks of something definitively, there can be no argument. And, Jesus was definitive in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

          Yet, you persist.

          It troubles me that you would choose the path of error, precisely at a time when the truth is so important.

          Can’t you see that we are IN THE LAST DAYS?

          Why would you think that compromise over the scripture in the Last Days would be pleasing to God?

          David, again, it’s time for you to reflect upon your true motives in this discussion. You are offended that I would dare to declare the pre-tribulation rapture theory to be a lie. I have found that those who are offended by such statements suffer from other corruptions of the spirit. I truly hope that this is not the case for you.

          You must repent, David. Time is growing short.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  12. John,

    Would you agree on the following statement? There is absolute Truth, and there is also apparent truth that is a social construct of society.

    I ask this because you are mixing the two together. Speaking from Christian world view, There is revealed Truth that all believers share, such as the Lordship of Christ. If you do not believe this, you are not a Christian.

    Then there are truths that are social constructs of the churches. For example Calvinism. Not all Christians are Calvinist, but to those who are, they accept his teaching as truths. They in turn have built a “church” around these truths, and require members to conform to these truths. Though there may be a certain amount of Truth [capital T] in their teachings, In the big picture they only know in part. Ask an Armenian, and they will tell you the flaw in Calvinit logic. But when You explore their set of apparent truths you will find it is lacking an explanation for the sovereign choice of God. So who is it that preaches the Truth? Both? Neither?

    This is no different than the debate over when the rapture is. There are ardent defenders on both sides, and both sides claim exclusive knowledge of revealed Truth. Yet Both are lacking. And both are guilty of taking the teachings of man and elevating them to the level of the Wisdom of God.

    So what you see as my compromise, is a decision on my part to not elevate the teachings of man to that of the Wisdom of God. I have been accused as well of pandering to both sides of this debate, and when I do not accept their viewpoint of not taking a stand for the truth, as you are doing here. Ask yourself this. Who is more prepared, the one who is taking all outcomes into consideration, or the one who is placing all his marbles in one basket? What Happens if you are wrong, and there is a pre-tribulation rapture? Are you prepared to admit your error, or will you be one of the ones saying that it is a fake rapture?

    Because we know for a fact, that there will be “strong delusion” sent to those who are perishing. That they should believe a lie. Read that passage in 2 Thess. 2 again. This strong delusion clearly comes after our being gathered together (raptured) The delusion is “sent by God”, and has false signs and wonders to back it up. In other words, it will be seen as truth, but it is not. If you, or anyone else reading this does not understand the difference between a socially constructed truth, and the wisdom of God, then you will be susceptible to this strong delusion. Faith is a belief in something that is unseen (Heb.11:1) Jesus said “blessed are those who have not seen, and yet believe.” (John 20:29) The Pre-trib Rapture is something that is believed in by faith, not by sight. A “Blessed Hope”. You have yet to adequately respond to this “proof” of the pre trib rapture, which you deleted from my original comment here. That is because you cannot, and much like the Calvinist have brushed aside the call to evangelize the gospel because of their partial understanding of the sovereignty of God, Or the Armenian who has ignored the sovereignty of God built a doctrine of salvation via human will, You are doing the same here.

    Your frustration level shows in your responses, and the fact that the only response you have is to label people as believing a lie, or compromising on truth reveals that you are merely creating a socially constructed truth on your site.

    I have a saying, that the Lord gave me when he called me to be his messenger. “Can the teacher be taught”. This has multiple levels of meaning, but the most obvious being how much has your own knowledge and understanding gone to your head, that you cannot in humility say I stand corrected. Especially for those who are leaders and teachers in the churches. Because if the teacher can no longer be taught, they are no longer worthy of being a teacher…or a Pastor etc. Because they have become wise in their own mind and haughty in their spirit, and WILL BE confounded by the fool.

    As I said before, enjoy your time on the pedestal, but He will knock you off of it and it is going to hurt even more, if your pedestal is really high.

    God Bless.

    • Hi David H,

      Ah, so this is just another intellectual game for you. Some truth is important, others less so – but it’s all meaningless. The main thing is to have intelligent and congenial discussion. No one should be so grossly impolite as to expound upon Truth. It’s just not done.

      Why, the Bible is merely a source of stimulating discussion amongst learned theologians.

      And, those amongst the ‘great unwashed’ should be properly subservient to their intellectual betters. Any that would have the temerity to claim something to be Truth, will be descended upon and given a thorough lashing.

      The fact that I would dare to claim the words of Jesus to be absolute truth is an affront to your intellectual standards. How dare I to read the Bible and proclaim its truth. Why, I have stepped beyond my station and forgotten my proper place.

      Yet, in your ivory tower, you have forgotten that every word in the Bible is significant. Some words are more significant at some times than others, but they are ALL significant. When Jesus came, you would have been one of the liberal theologians, claiming that the prophecies about the coming of Messiah weren’t important. That it was more important to be in unity.

      Do you DARE to ignore the obvious conclusion that we are in the Last Days?

      But, I bet that you do. I bet that you think that the issue of the Last Days is completely meaningless. So, therefore you feel free to admonish me about my ‘frustration’ as you like to put it.

      But, just as the liberal theologians did 2000 years ago, you too have missed the signs of the age. Worse, you have taken upon yourself the unholy task of weakening the hands of those who seek to serve the Lord by warning others of their grave peril.

      If what you have said so far is an example of your work, then you should be ashamed of yourself. You have dared to wrap your sinful arrogance in the cloak of a false piety. We stand in the Last Days, yet you dare to preach against what is so completely obvious. You compound your error by attempting to subvert the ministries of those who would seek to warn others of danger.

      I am amazed at your lack of shame.

      You have tried to knock me off of my pedestal, but you haven’t been looking very carefully. I have put God highest in my life, so it is He that you are trying to knock down. It is God that you are preaching against, David – not me.

      Please take your self-importance elsewhere. You have chosen the wide path of compromise, and I will not disobey God by following your example. I love God and the truth far too much to do that.

      Repent of your sins, David, before it is too late. One day, you will stand before a holy God and be required to give an answer for what you have said and done. There are eternal consequences for what you have done, very eternal consequences.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  13. John,
    You are soooo misreading and misjudging my comments its not even funny.

    This is no intellectual game for me, Let me remind you of my purpose in all of this is to stop the divisiveness that you are spouting out in calling brothers and sisters in Christ liars and servants of Satan….This is the unpardonable sin (Mark 3:28-29 read!)….it is you that need to repent. I am doing this out of love for you, no other reason. In exploring what are Truths, and social constructs or apparent truths, I am making a distinction between the wisdom of God and the wisdom of Man. The latter is prone to error, and partial knowledge….As said in scripture, that we Know in part and prophecy in part.

    “Do you DARE to ignore the obvious conclusion that we are in the Last Days?” That is a new one….I am a watchman on the wall, I know what is coming, and where we are at….I have been at this a lot longer than you have.

    BID I SAY THE BIBLE IS MEANT TO BE DISCUSSED BY ONLY LEARNED THEOLOGIANS? NO, quite the opposite in fact as the God is using the foolish to confound the wise.
    WHERE DO YOU EVEN GET THE IDEA THAT I AM A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN???? I am about as conservative as one can be…Yes I did studies on liberation theology in college, but I saw it for what it was…Marxism with a Christian label over it.
    HAVE I TRIED TO SUBVERT YOUR MINISTRY??? No, though you perceive this as an attack, it is not. Your insecurity and inability to defend your position leads to this insecurity. Even in the above comment you did not respond to any of my points, instead you debased yourself and resorted to name calling and false accusation….THIS IS A TACTIC USED BY LIBERALS, SHAME ON YOU FOR USING IT. When a liberal is losing an argument in the battlefield of ideas, they always result to smearing the character of the individual…right out of the playbook of Saul Alinsky. I have spoken hard and challenging words for you, but I have not called you names or smeared your character.

    This conversation is over, I am tired of your duck and dodge maneuvers, and the lack of desire on your part to know the Truth. All Of the above are false accusations on your part. I am owed an apology, but I know that is beyond your ability right now, seeing as I struck a nerve.

    God Bless. And I do mean that. I have deep sorrow for your soul right now. “Not my will, but thine be done Lord.” I am nothing, Lord you are everything.

    Read this comment stream again. For 12 days I have been patient with you and have not lost my temper in dealing with you. Yes I have spoken hard words to you, and you have responded to them accordingly. But you do not respond to the points made, in particular the one argument for why I cannot condemn pre-tribbers and accuse them of believing a lie like you have done. Because they believe it by faith as an unseen hope. In fact, so offended were you by this that you deleted it on my initial comment. This act alone should be worthy of you losing your credibility to those who might be reading this. This is called IGNORANCE in academia.

    • Hi David H,

      I am glad that this conversation is over, because you haven’t been listening to me from day one. You do not seem to understand the significance of the position that you have taken. You either do not understand what you believe, which I think is the case – or you have a world view that makes truth relative.

      I am not, and have not, dodged once in our conversations. The fact that you have wanted to chase rabbits, doesn’t require me to follow you.

      The core of this discussion is truth.

      That was your objection to start with – the fact that I claimed that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture was a Lie. The evidence is incontrovertible. There can be no pre-tribulation rapture. Therefore, it is by definition, a lie. To believe this lie to be true, is a grave error.

      If you wish to argue over who is actually lying, or not – that’s fine. To unknowingly repeat a lie, is not necessarily to lie, and I’ve been clear about that. Furthermore, I have been ‘judging’ what people say, and not what is in their heart. You seem to have no reluctance in judging me for what you think is in my heart.

      But, that’s not what you’re upset about. You are upset that I would dare to proclaim with confidence that the pre-tribulation rapture is a lie. You are offended by that, and that speaks volumes of the attitude that you have towards the truth. You have compromised on the truth, and that is a sin.

      The fact that the pretribbers believe in their lie by faith does not free them from the fact that they believe in a lie. They may get some credit for honest belief in this lie, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a lie. For you to make such a ridiculous claim that their ‘unseen hope’ somehow mitigates this is yet another snapshot of how relevant the ‘truth’ is to you.

      Believing in a lie will not save people from the consequences of believing in a lie, and you cannot seem to understand that. For you to think that truth is so relative… that it transcends consequences …well, I hardly know what to say. That is truly magical thinking.

      We live in dangerous times, David, and you have attempted to disarm those of us who are trying to warn brothers and sisters of the dangers they face. We are calling them to the life boats, and you are telling us to stop yelling so loud – that it’s hurting your ears.

      Well, I’m sorry that you’ve chosen this path, David. Your ‘truth-is-relative’ approach will not save you from the consequences.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little


    I did say some teachings which are perceived of as truth are a social construct….big difference, and another false misrepresentation of what I have spoken about.

    I’m praying for you.

    • Hi David H,

      I’m sorry, but when you say that it’s okay for pretribbers to hold their view because of some ‘unseen hope’… you are saying that truth is ‘relative’.

      The mere fact that you thought it was wrong for me to call the pre-tribulation rapture THEORY to be a Lie… well, it speaks loudly of how you view the truth.

      Anything that is not the truth, is a lie – BY DEFINITION.

      So yes, David, you DO believe that Truth is relative. Your own words convict you.

      Of course, I am not the one that you need to convince. God sees into the very heart of the matter. I’m sure that He will have something to say about how I have handled this issue.

      But, I’m afraid that you will have a much more difficult conversation ahead for you.

      It is a sin to compromise on the truth. It is a sin to knowingly believe a lie. It is a sin to reject the truth. And, I will not willingly commit those sins.

      Worse, to withhold the truth from brothers and sisters in Christ is a far greater sin – far greater.

      The time is short, David. It’s time to call our family in Christ to the lifeboats, and that will require some rather unpleasant shouting.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little


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