The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I try to always ask God for direction before I write, because I truly want every word that I write to be what He wants you to read. I really do. It scares me that I would lead you astray in ANYTHING. Unfortunately, because I am fallible, you cannot trust my words completely. I really am no better than you are.

(Click HERE, for last week’s series on Bible Twisting.)

(Click HERE for Part Two)

I say all that, because I wanted to write something else today. There are such dire threats facing us, that talking about spiritual lies seems like a waste of time. The problem is that you won’t heed my warnings, if you believe spiritual lies. So, here we go again.


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The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

After talking about spiritual deception and heresy all last week, you would think that I could be done with the lies and get back to the truth. Unfortunately, God isn’t letting me go on this. There is one specific lie that must be dealt with again, before I can move forward:

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I keep calling it a theory, but that’s just because I am trying to be polite. It’s more than a theory. It’s a lie – from Satan, the father of lies. He is using it to put you to sleep, so that you will NOT prepare for what he has planned for you.

Please, if I have to beg, I will. You MUST wake up. There is so little time left.

Starting With The Truth

When judging a lie, you must always start with the truth, and you will find it in the Bible. It’s really quite simple, as the truth often is, and it won’t require lots of verbal gymnastics to say what is… the truth.

Let me summarize the points first:

  • Truth ALWAYS trumps THEORY – ALWAYS
  • The Antichrist must come before the Rapture
  • The Tribulation must come before the Rapture
  • The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture
  • The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture
  • Jesus Must Return before the Rapture
  • The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)
  • There is only one resurrection for those who are God’s people
  • God promised that Christians would suffer
  • There IS a Place of Safety on this Earth

There IS A Safe Place If You Do Not Follow The Lie

That last one should concentrate your mind. All of the arguments that the pre-tribbers make are based upon the fact that God would never allow His people to suffer. Well, you won’t have to suffer if you pay attention and follow the truth, and not lies.

Following a lie will ALWAYS lead to suffering. And THAT is what the pre-tribbers are setting you up for. Do not follow the lies of Satan. Do NOT twist the Bible. You must get this right, or you will die.

Yes, it really is a life and death issue.

After the first series of disasters rolls by, we can argue the finer points of eschatology. Until then, make ready for the worst moment in human history. But, let’s get to proving the above points.


The Bible cannot lie. If you believe otherwise, please stop here. If you do not believe that the whole of the Bible is truth, there’s no hope for you.

So, if the Bible cannot lie, then each verse is a challenge to our theories.

We all have them. Some are right. Some are wrong. And, as you (hopefully) read your Bible, if you stumble across a verse that declares your theory wrong… well…

…it’s wrong, and you have to get it right.

Seriously, folks. If I tell you something, and the Bible disagrees with me… well, I’m wrong. It’s that simple.

The Bible is ALWAYS right. Always.

The Antichrist Must Come Before The Rapture

Paul reached out to the church in Thessalonica because they were thrown into turmoil over the idea of the Rapture. It appears that someone was telling them that they had missed it. Here is what Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

The Antichrist MUST come before the Rapture. There is no other way that you can interpret this verse. None.

Unfortunately, pre-tribbers seek to twist this verse by saying that ‘falling away’ is The Rapture.

Really? Apostasy is the RAPTURE?

Here’s the Greek word that Paul used for ‘falling away’:

ἀποστασία – apostasia

That is NOT – and cannot be – the word for the Rapture. In another verse, apostasia was translated as forsake in Acts 21:21, when Paul was being accused of teaching apostasy, it was because they thought that he was telling people to forsake the Law of Moses.

Apostasia is NEVER used in ANY place in the Bible in reference to the Rapture. In fact, Paul already had a word that he uses for the rapture. It’s used in this phrase:

by our gathering together unto him

The Greek word used for gathering together is:

ἐπισυναγωγῆς – episynagōgēs

It really does just mean ‘gather together’.

The word that pre-tribbers like to use – rapture – comes from the Latin – rapturo. It’s a good word, and I use it because that’s what people understand. The Greek version of this word is:

ἁρπάζω – harpazó

It means to snatch away, or to take by force. And THAT is exactly what the Lord is going to do. He’s going to snatch us away. In fact, Paul uses much the same word in 1 Thessalonians 4:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:17

The word for shall be caught up is:

ἁρπαγησόμεθα – harpagēsometha

And, the root is – you guessed it – harpazo.

So, when a pretribber comes to you and tries to tell you that The Great Apostasy in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is actually the rapture, tell him that he’s lying. And then, tell him this:

The Antichrist Must Come Before The Rapture

To believe otherwise is to believe a lie. And, there is only one person who is the father of lies.

The Tribulation Must Come Before The Rapture

When Jesus spoke of the Last Days, the coming of the Antichrist and the Tribulation, He made zero mention of a pre-tribulation rapture. None. Zero. Zip.

You would think – if there WAS a pre-trib rapture – that Jesus would have mentioned it here. But, He didn’t. However, He DID say this:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matthew 24:29-31

(See also Mark 13:24-27)

This is Jesus, our Lord and Savior, telling us that the Rapture MUST HAPPEN AFTER THE TRIBULATION!

Please, did you get that?


Period. End of Statement.

Is there any part of this that you did not understand?

The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture

This next point, how the Sun and Moon must be darkened before the Rapture, piggy-backs on top of the verse that I talked about, above. But, it’s worth talking about separately. Although, this time, I’ll use Mark 13:

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.Mark 13:24-27

Please, everyone, there is NO WAY that you can see ANY pre-tribulation rapture here. The Sun and Moon must be darkened first, and the stars fall.

Then, and only then, will The Rapture happen.

The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture

You saw me talk about harpazo, above. Well, this snatching away is not going to be some quiet event. In fact, Jesus descends from the sky with a shout. Here’s the specific passage:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

I have a question to ask you:

Does this sound like the pre-trib rapture that the pretribbers talk about?

Not to me.

Jesus Must Return before the Rapture

I have already shown you Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 above.

How does the Lord return?

Well, Jesus said that everyone would see Him return in the clouds with great power and glory. THEN He would send His angels to gather up His people from the Earth. This is His RETURN.

Does Matthew 24 or Mark 13 speak of a SECOND return?

Of course not. There is just one – THE RETURN.

Do we understand all that will happen at the time?

Probably not, but that shouldn’t keep us from accepting what our Lord and Savior told us.

The Rapture really does happen when Jesus returns.

The Resurrection Must Happen Just Before The Rapture

The pretribbers do their best to distort and explain away the evidence of a post-tribulation rapture, but they have an exceptionally tough time of it – when it comes to the resurrection. In fact, every time I raise this point, they begin attacking me personally, instead of answering the passage.

So, this passage is especially thorny for pretribbers:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

THAT is unquestionably a rapture passage. No one can question that, and the pretribbers don’t. But, it is also a resurrection passage.

How can you have a pre-tribulation rapture, if the resurrection must happen just before (or at the same time as) the Rapture?

The answer is that you can’t. You CANNOT have a pre-tribulation rapture, because the resurrection MUST happen at the same time as the rapture. And… there is only one of them for God’s people.

There Is Only One Resurrection For Those Who Are God’s People

The reason why there cannot be a pre-tribulation rapture is that there is only one resurrection for those who are God’s people. Only one.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.Revelation 20:4-6

Those that go through the Tribulation WILL BE IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION!!

Is there any other FIRST RESURRECTION?

Of course not, unless you want to twist the Bible.

Just to rub it in a little, here’s Jesus speaking in Luke:

And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.Luke 14:14

So, if you don’t make it in the First Resurrection, and are not in the Rapture, you will go to Hell.

Again, what happens just before (or at the same time as) the resurrection?

The Rapture.

God Promised That Christians Would Suffer

The reason why we are even having this debate is due to our desire to avoid suffering. We don’t even want to THINK about what the Antichrist will do to us during the Tribulation.

That is completely understandable, but it’s not an excuse to twist the words of God.

In fact, God promised us that we would suffer persecution and tribulation. I am mystified as to why the pretribbers think that we could avoid it. There are just too many verses that talk about this. Here are a couple:

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. – 2 Timothy 3:12


And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.Acts 14:21-22

I have a question to ask all of my pretribber friends:

With all the persecution that we have experienced over the past two thousand years, and are experiencing now, why do you think that we should be exempt from the persecution of the Antichrist?

Because THAT is what we are talking about. The pretribbers will tell you about how God isn’t going to pour out His wrath upon His people, but they are REALLY just interested in avoiding the Antichrist.

Well, if we haven’t been able to avoid the persecution of the communists/catholics/nazis/pagans, then we aren’t going to avoid the persecution of the Antichrist.

Well… actually …that’s not completely true.

There IS A Place Of Safety On This Earth

When God sent the ten plagues upon Egypt, He didn’t take them out of Egypt. But, He did provide them with a place that was free of these plagues. It was an area of Egypt called The Land of Goshen.

And, we can find the same idea in Revelation. According to the Book of Revelation, there is a place that will offer protection to God’s people, who flee the Antichrist:

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.Revelation 12:13-14

There IS a place of safety that will be prepared for God’s people. And, it will be a place that will keep them safe, until the end of the Tribulation.

Do I understand how that is possible?

No. No one does. But, that shouldn’t keep us from taking it on faith.

The problem is that you will not have the opportunity to be in a place of safety, if you allow yourself to twist the Bible.

Torturing The Bible

There is no verse in the Bible that talks about a pre-tribulation rapture. I’ve seen the evidence of these false teachers, and all that they can offer are verses that they have twisted out of shape.

As someone once said:

The Bible is like a person. If you torture it enough, you can get it to say anything.

God did not intend for you to torture the Bible. He meant for you to accept it. It is His words for you.

If you would not twist the words of those that you truly love on this Earth…

…why would you twist the words of God?

My suspicion is that many pretribbers don’t love God. It’s really that simple.

Conclusion – Your Choice

So, here is what we talked about:

  • Truth ALWAYS trumps THEORY – ALWAYS
  • The Antichrist must come before the Rapture
  • The Tribulation must come before the Rapture
  • The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture
  • The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture
  • Jesus Must Return before the Rapture
  • The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)
  • There is only one resurrection for those who are God’s people
  • God promised that Christians would suffer
  • There IS a Place of Safety on this Earth

If you would like more proof than this, I’ve talked about various parts of the pre-tribulation rapture, here:

The goal of this website is to help you stay as safe as possible in the coming days, so that you can continue to serve the Lord. But, you will not be able to do that, if you believe a lie.

The pre-tribulation rapture really is a lie.

So, I leave the choice to you:

Would you rather believe God?


Would you rather believe a lie?

The choice is yours.

Choose well.

I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
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If you find a flaw in my reasoning, have a question, or wish to add your own viewpoint, leave a comment on the website. Your input is truly welcome.


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364 thoughts on “The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie”

  1. And the usual argument the post tribbers use is somehow they’re more “prepared”, or “Spiritually prepared”. Except no one ever explains exactly how they’re more “prepared”, or even what they really mean by “prepared”. Prepared for what?
    What is the difference between the people in this scenario?
    First person believes in a pre-trib ratpture. The pre-trib doesn’t happen and he/she suffers persecution (probably beheaded)
    Second person believes Jesus will come for his church AFTER tribulation events. He/she suffers persecution (probably beheaded).
    Not much of a difference here. I’d love to hear how there is a difference, or why some people will create such division between them and others just based solely on the timing of the rapture.
    I don’t care what someone believes on the timing of the rapture. I only care if they are saved.

    • Hi Jase,

      First of all, believing a lie never ends well.

      Second, this verse is a commandment, not a suggestion:

      Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. – Luke 21:36

      It is the guiding verse of this website.

      There is something far more serious at stake than just having your head lopped off.

      And then, there’s the issue of serving God.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John 3:16,

        “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
        that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
        but have everlasting life.”

        Believing in pre-mid or post tribulation DOES NOT save you.



        NOT Luke 21:36

        NOT whether or not you believe in a pre or
        post trib.

        Love for all,


    • maybe the antichrist will have a story all ready for them and they will fall for it because their pretrib rapture didn’t happen, and many pretribbers will think it was all a fool’s lie and turn their backs on God and Jesus? how nice for the antichrist that satan’s lie worked so well.

      on the other hand, for us non pretribbers, we get a great big bonus gift if it is a pretrib rapture. :)) my motto is: pray for pre; plan on post.

    • You’re kidding, right?!

      So, to answer your question/s—
      ALL CHRISTIANS need to be PREPARED to LOSE THEIR HEADS (Like the Christians in Iraq are now Suffering by ISIS) for their testimony and Faith.
      Most (If not ALL) Pre-tribers are not PREPARED to do any such thing as they have been to busy Packing their Bags for some trip out of here that is NOT going to happen until after they experience Hell on Earth……. soooo, mine and Mr. John Little’s message to you would be – “Don’t be so DULL”!!!!

      And – if you’re one of those that have taught or passed on the LIE (As Mr. Little has so CLEARLY Demonstrated) of some Pre-Trib Rapture – and those that have been believing the Lie decide to Sell their Souls and Take the Mark of Anti-Christ because they Weren’t Raptured at the Last Moment —- then Their Blood will be upon YOUR HANDS — and of that YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNTING , as made clear in the opening Chapters of Ezekiel!!!

      Mr. Little is BLOWING THE TRUMPET on the LIE. His hands are CLEAN!!!

      And AMEN for this Article, John. You are Known by your FRUIT!!!
      No doubt in my mind you’re one of His!!! (John)

    • P.S. Jase

      “Except no one ever explains exactly how they’re more “prepared”, or even what they really mean by “prepared”. Prepared for what?”

      Did that answer your question?!
      “Prepared to LOSE their Head” for their Testimony.
      Are you MORE PREPARED than Peter?!
      He denied Christ 3 times before the Rooster Crowed – and His Head (And/or that of His own Wife’s, Sons, Daughters, Mothers and/or Fathers) was not even on the Chopping Block at the time. He wasn’t very Prepared!

      Are YOU?!
      Baruch Atta Adonai Eloheinu Malech Ha-Olam!!!

    • Jase, the difference is that the pre-tribber will be un-prepared both physically and spiritually to be the salt and light to the unsaved at a time when the world appears to be coming to an end. You will be more concerned about finding the next meal for your family than being a witness for the Lord. You will be the sheep led to the slaughter. On the other hand, post-tribbers already know what is in store and are mentally, physically prepared so that they will not have to focus on their personal survival but on showing the unsaved the gospel and the prophecies that are foretold and now being unveiled. Yes the end result for the believer is the same, but the post-tribbers kingdom work on this earth during that time will be very different.
      Daniel 11:33

    • To answer Jase’s question, I believe the timing is very important and can affect the salvation of the individual.

      “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, not by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
      2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

      Paul was obviously expressing the same concerns to people who were challenging the same thought of the timing of the Lord’s return and the rapture. He tells them not to be shaken in mind and not to be troubled in spirit by word or letter. He comforts them in saying that, but then follows it with, “let no man deceive you” and proceeds to describe what must occur before the time of Christ’s return and our rapture. I don’t think post tribbers feel more “prepared” than pre tribbers. It is simply a matter of understanding that affects our mindset and outcome during the tribulation.

      In case one, the pre tribber believes we are suppose to be gone before the tribulation. The tribulation arrives and now, the arrival of the tribulation leads this person into doubt and question toward God. It is the idea of being deceived that is the take home message. If one is deceived about the timing of the Lord’s return, it will affect the spiritual and mental outcome when their expectations aren’t met. The person now believes God isn’t a true God and in an extreme case like this, would lead the person to no longer believe in God. But is it so extreme? As Paul puts it, the deception of this person upon entering the tribulation will lead this individual to be “shaken in mind and troubled in spirit.”
      For that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first. It is this deception that will lead many of our brothers and sisters in Christ to fall away. The post tribbers aren’t more prepared in that they are more knowledgeable of the events to come due to the tribulation. However, they are more prepared in that, their hope is not in escaping the suffering, but realizing that after the suffering that is to be expected, we will all be with Christ forevermore. The expectation of post tribbers does not set them up to be deceived when the Lord doesn’t remove them from tribulation because they were never expecting Jesus to save them from the trouble. They understood that suffering was inevitable, and this understanding motivated more devotion and prayer to God, knowing that only full trust in Him would get us through. We set our hope on His solid ground, not on an escape route.

      So I say all this to say that the timing is very important. Person one and person two are both susceptible to having their heads cut off if their faith is confessed. Person one, due to his experience and the let down of his expectation is much more likely to have lost hope by that point and may not even verbally hold to the faith anymore. Person two, who expected the persecution, is still willing to die for the faith because his hope was never abandoned. He has understood throughout the unfolding of these expected events, that God remains faithful and will complete the work that He started as long as we hold fast to our faith. It is the deception that will steal many people’s desire to hold fast to the faith, which will lead to a great falling away.

      This post really helped me to understand God’s word more accurately. Thank you for taking the time to post and I hope my response was helpful. I only intend to share my opinion in love and respect.

    • Jase – the simple FACT is that so many view the PRETRIB rapture as absolute fact and they will be shaken and in many cases lose their faith. He who is faithful to the END will be saved. People lose faith over the sickness or death of a loved one and much else – how much more when a central doctrine they believe is shown to be utterly false???

  2. Hi John,

    I have come to the conclusion that all the stories in the Bible are allegories for a great end time exodus (separation) of the saints of God from the world.

    Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
    Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

    Unfortunately, only the saints who have oil in their lamps will hear his voice at midnight and leave with him. It will be our choice, will we stay with our house, or our bank account, or our friends and our family or will we leave it all behind when he tells us it is time to leave and go where he tells us to go?

    Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
    Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

  3. John,
    Thank you for exposing this false doctrine. I truly believe it is a doctrine of demons, because it is diametrically opposed to the message of the Cross which is to lose your life for Christ, so that you may find it. The pre-trib rapture lie is believed by those who desire to save their lives, but they will lose it – Matt 16: 24-25. We cannot be His disciple unless one is willing to bear his own cross – Lk 14:27.
    There is no true fellowship with the Lord without suffering for His sake in some way or another. This is where we can really come to know Him. We will never know that Jesus is all we need until He is all that we have.

  4. I was once a staunch pre-tribber as a young impressionable friend of Jesus. as i studied more and immersed my self in the Word I found this theory to be just that a Theory. The truth can not be in multiple interpretations of a few scriptures that can be twisted. Like the catholic church only allowing bibles to be printed in Latin to keep the masses from the truth of God’s word, our modern day Pharisees don’t explain the specific words used in the bible, they have different meanings than what the English version has.

    Once you see that the pre-tribulation position is false, other Scriptures come to life, it is a deceptive tactic, because if your belief position is “I’ll be spared by the Rapture” you’ll live your Christian life unprepared for tribulation events and accuse others of being faithless because they prepare. Just like the Virgins without oil. I am not to sure pre-trib believers won’t be those that turn in their brother and sisters who have oil but won’t share.

    Worst yet, they will be deceived because when tribulation does comes, they will be the first to deny it because they haven’t be raptured, now will question their belief and turn fully against God for not saving them from persecution.

    Pre-trib beliefs are very dangerous, thank you for writing this.

  5. Obviously you don’t know your Bible like you should. So many examples throughout the Old Testament and New Testament.

    If you don’t believe in the Pre-Trib — Fine!!! However, don’t be so dogmatic. I take offense to your tone towards pre-tribbers. I am on fire for the Lord God, I fully know and understand HIS promises for His True followers (very few). I am not sitting back doing nothing waiting for the rapture — on the contrary.

    My point is Salvation, if your Saviour is the Lord Jesus Christ, that’s all that matters.

    Not your view or my view on the Rapture. So stop being so dogmatic, because you don’t know. I just don’t see GOD taking is bride through the tribulation.

    • Hi James,

      I wish that I could agree that it doesn’t matter. And, once upon a time, that is how I felt.

      Unfortunately, it DOES matter.

      Any time someone twists and distorts the Bible, there are serious consequences. And, in these Last Days, one important consequence is a lack of spiritual preparedness for the coming of The Antichrist – and what happens before he arrives.

      Do you think that Jesus was just handing out a suggestion, when he said this?:

      Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. – Luke 21:36

      We do not have the right to lie about what the Bible says.

      Furthermore, the blood of all who die would be on my head if I did not warn everyone that I could.

      I’ve given you my warning.

      The ball is now in your court, James.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • @ James

      Here’s a question?!
      Do you think that John the Baptist was “DOGMATIC”!
      If you’re NOT DOGMATIC with the TRUTH! Then you’re not REALLY “On FIRE for the Lord Our G-d, are you?!”

      Like, say Phinehas! He was ON FIRE for G-d!

      Numbers 25:6-8
      6 Then an Israelite man brought into the camp a Midianite woman right before the eyes of Moses and the whole assembly of Israel while they were weeping at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 7 When Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, saw this, he left the assembly, took a spear in his hand 8 and followed the Israelite into the tent. He DROVE THE SPEAR INTO BOTH OF THEM, right through the Israelite man and into the woman’s stomach.

      (That’s DOGMATIC)!!!

      And 10-13
      10 The Lord said to Moses, 11 “Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, has turned my anger away from the Israelites. Since he was as ZEALOUS for my honor among them as I am, I did not put an end to them in my zeal. 12 Therefore tell him I am making my covenant of peace with him. 13 He and his descendants will have a covenant of a lasting priesthood, because he was zealous for the honor of his God and made atonement for the Israelites.”

      If John is indeed being DOGMATIC – then it’s O.K., because he is at least doing so with the TRUTH —- he is DRIVING A SPEAR THROUGH THE LIE!!!!

      Some Pre-Trib Rapture is a LIE….. your argument is not even against/with John but with the Word of G-d and thus G-d himself! Or, OBVIOUSLY, you’re the one who does not KNOW your Bible, or your G-d, like YOU SHOULD!!!


  6. Hi John,
    Sounds correct to me. This has been a very confusing subject for many years, however, there is one more subject that has confused me for some time as I have friends who tell me I cannot choose God. They believe in the doctrine of election and predestination. So if God is the one who decides who is saved and who is lost? How does that fit with this? I hope sometime you would address this subject. Seems some believe we don’t have choice not sure if this is correct?

    • Hi Lee,

      I see that you have friends who have taken the doctrine of predestination too far – as I once did, as well.

      I really do not know how much freewill that we do have, and I do not believe that it matters.

      The concept of predestination was preached by Paul to help people understand that God is in control, and that we do NOT need to worry.

      So, you MUST accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Although, we also understand that it is God bringing you to this point where you will.

      I love what Peter says about Paul’s writings:

      And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. – 2 Peter 3:15-16

      I hope this helps, Lee.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Hi John,

        The doctrine of predestination is also a twisting of the scripture. The Apostle Paul was not saying some people are predestined to be saved, he was saying those people who are saved are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ… or in other words, God (the Holy Spirit) WILL change you into the image of his Son after you are saved.

        Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
        Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

        • Hi Michael Haller,

          Um… Be careful, brother. Predestination actually IS in the Bible, as indicated in the scripture you quote.

          There can be no complete free will. It’s just not possible.

          So, what we are arguing about is how MUCH free will there is, and it’s hard to believe that there’s very much.

          Otherwise, how could there be prophecy?

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • Hi John,

            I think you need to be very careful also John. Obviously everyone has limitations. However, it is impossible for God to lie.

            Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

            If you read the verse concerning predestination in the Book of Romans, it has nothing to do with salvation of sinners but with the conformation of the saints into the image of Jesus Christ. Every human being has a simple choice concerning their own salvation. If salvation was determined by God alone…Everyone would be save!

            1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
            1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

            Obviously some people and some angels have rebelled against God and have made the wrong decision according to scripture and God cannot be blamed… even a little bit.

            All scripture must conform to all scripture…if there appears to be some scripture that does not jibe with the rest of scripture, and I know some do (vessels fit for destruction, etc., etc.,)…something is wrong with our interpretation…not with the Word of God.

            Sorry for going on and on but the doctrine of predestination (some people are predestined to be saved and some people are predestined to go to hell) is up there in the top ten worst doctrines in my humble opinion. Right up there, with you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved.

          • @ JL

            “So, what we are arguing about is how MUCH free will there is, and it’s hard to believe that there’s very much.

            Otherwise, how could there be prophecy?”

            G-d is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient

            That’s how there could be Prophecy — even amoungst Free Will!
            He “Knows the End from the Beginning”.

            One is either in G-ds Will — or their OWN (Free) Will!

            Satan is the “FREE WILLING”, Dude!!!

            “Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law!!!”
            Crowly’s “Book of the Law”!!!
            “fay çe que vouldras” (“Do what you will”)
            Rabelais’ “Gargantua”

            Have you ever studied the “Occult”, JL?!


          • ‘Otherwise, how could there be prophecy?’

            John, please explain. I think that comment makes God awful small.

          • Hi Jonathan,

            Not at all.

            There is an amazing amount of order in the Universe, and that order limits how much ‘freewill’ we have. And, it is that ‘order’ that is a reflection of God’s greatness. He is the Author of Order. It is Satan who is the author of disorder and chaos.

            So, we can trust that the prophecies WILL come about because of the huge amount of order to the Universe, as well as God’s hand in His Creation.

            That’s what I meant.

            Thank you, Jonathan. I hope that explanation helps.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

      • Hi John,
        The verse you quote in 2 Peter did not help. Are you saying that if I don’t understand this doctrine by quoting this verse As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. – 2 Peter 3:15-16
        If I don’t understand then it is to my own destruction?

        • Hi Lee,

          No, I was only quoting Peter to indicate that there are people who take the concept of predestination too far.

          The Biblical concept of predestination is a very high-level idea, and is not meant for anything other than to give us comfort that God is in control. To apply it in any other area is to twist the Bible.

          Sorry for the confusion, Lee. I hope that I clarified things for you. If not, please leave another comment.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  7. I love this article its very refreshing to hear someone else come to the same conclusion. I have read that the father of modern pre trib rapture was a freemason and an occultist who picked this up off of another preacher who got the idea from a girl who had a dream… very demonic doctrine for sure…

    Though i am in agreement i have some reasons to think that the rapture may come after the seventh trumpet and before the 1st bowl… though its speculation based on the 30 day judgment of egypt and the 30 days that is added to the 1260 days in daniel. Anyways good article… we need each other so we wont settle for anything but the whole truth… may we love Him who is Truth above all else. THE Lord bless you.


  8. Pre-tribbers don’t believe falling away means rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4. Pre-tribbers believe coming of our Lord is different from the day of the Lord. Coming refers to the rapture and day of the Lord refers to the second coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 has both time frames mentioned within in it.

    I suggest the Revelation teaching at Verse by Verse Ministries. Good men don’t beat up their brides to be for the sake of teaching them a lesson.

    • Ken LaPierre,

      Unfortunately, the ‘falling away’ is EXACTLY what the pretribbers preach as the Rapture, because if they don’t, their theory will be proven to be a lie.

      I notice that you didn’t provide anything that disproves my point that the pretrib rapture is a lie.

      The wrath of God will be upon all those who believe a lie.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • @ Ken LaPierre

      “Good men don’t beat up their brides to be for the sake of teaching them a lesson.”?!

      Think “Israel/Jews”.
      They’ve been pretty “Beaten Up” to “Learn a Lesson” – wouldn’t you say?!
      Of course, actually, it’s not a BEATING as it is Chastening!

      The Jews “EXILE” by the Assyrians and then Babylonians and Romans — is a Chastening. Just as Christians are to be and Will be Chastened!!!


    • Actually “beating up the bride” is a slanderous misperception of the fathers motives… in truth daniel 11:35 and the whole book of Job as well as in revelation the scripture indicates that God uses pain coupled wiyh our “enduring to the end” to purify us and make our garments white. Rev 2:10 also indicates that those who overcome tribulation will be given the crown of life. 2 Tim 4:5 says to endure afflictions… And to top it all off Jesus said that a servant is not greater than his master so we should expect to endure tribulations even as He did as well as the prophets before him and the saints after him…

  9. John,
    I just looked up the word “first” in Rev. 20:5 in my Strong’s Concordance. Its number is G4413. The Greek word is “protos” and its meaning is “foremost”. This resurrection in Rev 20:5 is the “foremost” or “most important” resurrection.

    The Greek word for “first” as in Matthew 28:1 “… the first day of the week” is “mia” Strong’s number G3391.

    This Resurrection in Rev. 20:5 is not the “first” Resurrection. Apparently it is viewed by Jesus as the “Foremost Resurrection”. You could have less important Resurrections happen before the “Foremost Resurrection” in Rev.20:5 with this Greek word “protos”.

    Being last in line doesn’t mean you are not the most important. It could mean you are The Greatest.

      • John,
        So the martyrs under the altar in Heaven that were slain for the Word of God in Rev 6:9-11 and the multitude of slain saints from the Great Tribulation standing before the Throne of God in Rev 7:9-17 have not been resurrected yet? The great multitude in Rev 7 have their white robes on that Jesus gave them. They seem very resurrected.

        They were killed for their testimony for Jesus and then John the Revelator sees them in Heaven. Are these saints in Heaven waiting for the First (protos) Resurrection?

        And the saints that rose from the graves after Jesus was crucified, Matthew 27:52-53, were not resurrected? Please tell me why this was not a resurrection?

        If even one resurrection for a single person in scripture occurs before the Protos Resurrection, then your whole argument and interpretation falls, on this particular point you’ve made. I’m not dealing with any other point except this one.

        But I’m seeing other Resurrections in Scripture before the Protos Resurrection. If there are previous Resurrections to the Protos Resurrection, then no ‘scripture twisting” is happening on my part.

        Can you tell me why the above mentioned scriptures are not about or are not dealing with Resurrected Saints?

        • Glassburl,

          Are you saying that those who came out of their graves when Jesus died, that they had on their incorruptible bodies?

          Whatever may SEEM to you in Revelation 7 is meaningless. You cannot tell if they have their ‘incorruptible bodies’ yet.

          In 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, it says this:

          51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

          52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

          53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

          Are you prepared to say that this is the Pretribulation Rapture?

          Do you see ANYONE ‘left behind’ here?

          In Matthew 24 and Mark 13, Jesus lays out the Last Days and the Tribulation. He does not mention a Pretribulation Rapture ANYWHERE – only a post-tribulation rapture.

          Are you calling Jesus a liar?

          Glassburl, you must repent of this lie, before it is too late.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

        • Hi Glassburl,

          For a very interesting take on the things that you bring up, check out the following: Trunews on Tuesday February 25, 2014. Link:

          Also Trunews April 1 – link:

          1 Corinthians 15:23 indicates there are orders to the resurrection. Jesus was the firstfruits (the first order). And like you said, OT saints were resurrected right after Jesus per Matthew 27:52-53. In Revelation 5:9, the 4 living creatures and the 24 elders state that they were redeemed from the earth, meaning they are resurrected humans. The Trunews interview referenced above explains these and other orders of the resurrection.

      • now john, you can’t use the greek to prove your point and then dump all over someone who does the same. foremost is defined as first in time, place, or rank, so it could translate to “first” as you have done, or it could be a ranking order as pointed out by glassburl. any way to narrow that meaning down?

        • Hi oldbat,

          It is a twisting of the Greek, not just that of the ‘English’ Bible. Far too many use the ‘Greek’ to keep themselves from actually looking at the whole of the Bible. This is a complete misuse.

          Thank you for that admonition, OB. I appreciate it.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • John,

            one of the things Jesus warns about is pride and being wise in our own eyes. You seem to be a know it all, and are very combative with anyone else’s ideas. I would warn against this. We are to come to Him as little children….DO CHILDREN KNOW EVERYTHING? I’m man enough to admit i dont.

          • Hi steve,

            This is true.

            However, we are also responsible to proclaim the truth.

            Even more important, when a brother or sister sits in harm’s way, it is our responsibility to try to find a way to get them out of harm’s way. Sometimes this calls for yelling and screaming and shouting.

            Sometimes this calls for calm words and polite discourse.

            However, you have accused me of pride, yet you can offer me no scripture that proves my claim wrong.

            We call this an ad hominem attack. Since you cannot bring evidence to prove me wrong, you attack my character.

            Steve, either prove me wrong, or take the time to reflect on how much of what you believe is truth.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  10. John, I read your comments on the Pre-Trib rapture. A couple thoughts for you. First of all, I know we both recognize the most important issue is that people know Christ as their personal savior so they will experience eternal life with Christ and not eternal separation from Christ. A couple concepts that go completely through the bible you might consider is people including Christians seem to mix up persecution/tribulation/the bride/the church/Israel/the Church/ and the concept of Gods wrath and his discipline. We all live in a fallen world and are all subject to persecution and trials/tribulation and may even suffer death. According to the bible, there will only be 2 occasions where God will pour out a worldwide wrath on the earth. One was the Flood of Noah and the second will be what the bible refers to as the Day of the Lord, Day of His Burning Anger, and the Time of Jacobs (Israels) Trouble. The bible declares Noah was righteous and Peter tells us that God shut him in the ark and that ark was a type of Christ. Abraham argued with God over destroying the cities of the plain asking him Will Thou Destroy the Righteous with the Wicked. The angels told Lot that they had to get him and his family out of the city before they were allowed to destroy the city. The bible mentions 2 comings of Christ, In one coming, he comes as a thief in secret and in Revelation he comes and every eye shall see him. The falling away is not the rapture it is a picture of the last days church falling away from true doctrine. It is after the church age, the age of grace comes to a close, that the true church is removed and the influence of the holy spirit IIThes 2:8 and then shall that Wicked be revealed vs10 deceives them that perish vs11 God send THEM strong delusion that they might believe the lie vs12 THEY might all be damned who believe not the truth vs13 But WE give thanks because God chose us to salvation IIThes 5:9 For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation. The Day of the Lord is not for his Bride, It is for (Daniel 9, the 70th Week) it is for my people (Israel) and my holy city. It is a time when god will restore his relationship with Israel and pour his wrath out upon a evil world.
    thanks Russ

    • Hi Russell Nickel,

      Your point that the Gospel is the most important point is a good one. I completely agree. And, I am not claiming that belief in the PTR makes you unsaved.

      Having said that, nothing that you have said here disproves my point that the pretrib rapture theory is a lie.

      Choosing to believe in a lie is a sin. You are required by God to choose the truth, or suffer the strong delusion that you mentioned.

      Will you believe the truth, Russ?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  11. I have so given up on the ‘churched’ people. I have blogged and spoken out for years. They have been given a delusion because they want to hold hands with Satan and call it Jesus. First let’s put an Egyptian idol (obelisk) on our building and call it a steeple. Next we’ll replace Jesus (The Word) with 20% of the Dead Sea Scrolls compiled and edited by Rome and call that the ‘Word’. Never mind it’s idolatry by substitution. Then let’s tell them that ‘the Kingdom of Heaven’ is within our group’ rather than ‘within’. And tell them that ‘Jesus loves everything and everyone’ even though Jesus said ‘I pray not for the world’, ‘I come to bring a sword’, ‘Whoever does not forsake the world even his own relatives is not worthy’. Nope…we’ll replace Jesus with a hired hand and we’ll be his (hired hands) flock. The hired hand will lead us and we’ll all have a pot-luck (luck as in blessings of lucifer) supper. Then we’ll be patriotic and pledge allegience to the 50 pentagrams and pass the offering plate for our building fund. Of course God is broke and cannot continue without your donation. Then we will all be raptured because God doesn’t want us to suffer like those Chinese or Syrian or Iraqi Christians.

    Oh what a twisted web. And to think my biological brother is a ‘pastor’ (think master) !






    james timms

  13. We go up to meet the Lord in the air at the rapture. In the twinkling of an eye like a thief in the night. At the second coming we come down with the Lord in an elaborate military procession. I respectfully submit these are two very different events.

  14. I get so many pretribbers pull the ” We are not appointed to wrath” card.

    Could you talk more concerning this? I print some of your letters and send them to people who do not have computers. Thank you.

    • Hi Jacque Armstrong,

      My response is actually a very simple. We are NOT appointed unto wrath, as long as we believe the truth. God’s people have ALWAYS suffered wrath when they chose to believe lies. The Bible is FULL of examples of this, and it is at the HEART of why I am writing all this – to deliver people from wrath.

      Just as there was a Land of Goshen for the People of Israel during the 10 plagues of Egypt, there will be a place where we will be sheltered from not only God’s Wrath, but also from the wrath of the Antichrist. But, you MUST believe the Truth!

      Having said that, I am NOT dispensing with a pre-wrath rapture. It very well may be that we will be raptured at the seventh trumpet, BEFORE the wrath of God is poured out.

      The point is that the Pretribulation Rapture Lie has put our brothers and sisters to sleep, and they MUST wake up!

      Okay… Rant is over.

      God bless you, Jacque, for your diligence. Keep up the good work!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  15. GRACE & PEACE!







    james timms

  16. Hello John,

    Great article today. I can’t thank you enough for writing this. I have had many arguments with my home bible study group about this very topic. They are convinced that there will be a pre-tribulation rapture and that they will be spared everything that is coming. Despite time and time again me proving through scripture, that all of the signs of the end of the age must happen before the rapture they are in complete denial. They just can’t accept that GOD would allow his children to suffer. I look at them with bewilderment, do you not remember the story of Job or Jonah. What about the disciples, the trials they went through and were tortured and executed.

    Why would Jesus tell us we would be persecuted and hated amongst all the world and that we would be killed for our belief in him if we were going to be raptured out of here. In addition, I argue that Satan is behind the entire pre-trib story, how many Christians would be deceived when they aren’t raptured out of here before the SHTF? How many would lose their faith in God when everything they were taught doesn’t happen, because they believed a lie? The parable of the 10 virgins comes to mind here. Half of them were prepared and the other half weren’t and missed out.

    In my study of the bible, I believe that the series of events described by Jesus in Matt 24:29 are very similar to what would transpire during a pole shift as so many have written about. Now as to what causes that pole shift is to be left to the imagination. Whether it be the power of God that causes the shift or some natural occurrence that will happen in the future. IDK, but the fact remains we are already seeing the signs of the coming pole shift. The last time I read, the Magnetic Pole was moving more than 41 miles a year.

    God Bless you for the work you are doing. I enjoy reading your articles.


  17. So interesting how I came out of a Christian university (in the early 80’s) so fully accepting the pre-trib, pre-rapture position. Not a doubt or question in sight. I have had to re-learn so much, and that demands setting pride aside completely. I no longer have any teachers to satisfy, or party lines to blindly repeat. I only have the personal obligation to discern Scripture properly.
    Today’s article was the very best, simplest and straightforward nuking of the entire pre-trib “argument”. May the Lord bless you for your service!
    In Jesus name,
    Isa 32:17

  18. You have this one right. The rapture was invented in the 1700’s. Jesus said that He would come again. Not that He would come again twice. Why would modern day Christians be treated any differently than Christians have been since Christ’s time. There will be Christian martyrs during the tribulation and they will not be Jews. Read Revelation again. Get your head on straight folks. Look at the slaughter of Christians going on in the Middle East right now. Multiply that by the world.

  19. Simply because Christians are supposed to accept trials and tribulation on earth does not mean they are going through THE tribulation. I wish fellow believer’s would quit being so ignorant about the biblical text by refusing to discern the difference between WRATH and TRIALS. We are not appointed unto wrath. The tribulation is for the Jews who reject the Messiah and the World. The bride of Christ is not appointed unto God’s wrath to have the crap beaten out of her prior to the marriage supper of the Lamb. You need to study Jewish Feasts, God’s appointed times, and the parallels throughout the entire bible. The idea of the rapture was NOT first proposed by Darby in the 1800s (check back further like during the time of Christ). The fact that Jesus said to look up so that we can be found worthy to avoid these things with fall upon the earth. I know getting really worked up about doomsday many christians want to embrace the fact we are going to be drug through it all. Of course many of our brothers and sisters are going through great trials and tribulation around the world. This has always been and always will be. BUT THIS IS NOT THE TRIBULATION. Please continue studying with an open mind. God has provided the answers for us in His word. We are not deserving of His grace in the first place nor do we deserve to be raptured but bc we put our faith in Him we will escape these things which are to come. They are the wrath of God intended for the world and to bring Israel His chosen people to repentance.
    Please stop carrying on about pretrib ignorance simple bc it is uncomfortable for you to accept being a Christian without being tortured. I know the fat and lazy carnal christians in the U.S. makes it easier to accept this idea but that doesn’t make it truth.

    • Hi Matt,

      I notice that you did not offer any proof that I was wrong.

      Prove that what I said was wrong. Don’t give me vague arguments about Jewish feasts and whatnot. Give me hard evidence that the verses in this article do not say what I am communicating here.

      I’ve given you the truth. Prove that it isn’t.

      Matt, choosing to believe a lie is a sin. It will not end well for those who do.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • hi matt,

        i tought the bible said we will have glorified bodies not beaten up bodies once we will be raptured? unless you mean beaten up in spirit, then we will not be qualified as a bride then.
        When the early christians were given to the lions and their bodies were torched as lamps along the streets, they were singing and joyful in spirit while those things were being done to them. would we be any different from them? or are there many kind of brides?


    • This one is easy Matt. There is a distinction between Satan’s wrath and God’s wrath. God has not appointed us to HIS wrath.

      Satan’s wrath=tribulation. All Christians will experience this.

      God’s wrath=final judgment on unbelievers. The true rapture and resurrection of believers will occur immediately before this.

      We are not appointed to God’s wrath against unbelievers who will all by then have taken the Mark.

    • Matt, What makes you think Christians in USA will be the ONLY people on earth that will not go through any tribulations, hardships, economic collapse. I used to tell my sister who believed in this that she had the Bubble doctrine. That she was except from anything bad and was protected in a bubble. Stephen the 1st marytr must have missed that in bible class. Im tired of not being able to communicate with fellow Christians because of this falsehood. And I am tired of the false doctrine of dispensations that kept me away from the front of God’s Word. And I am tired of the false doctrine of the 10 commandments were only to sustain nations and non of our modern Christian concerns. This one almost cost me my eternal soul. With out God’s Moral Law mirroring into our selfrighteousness we would never realize we need a Savior to die for us. American Christians had better wake up, and turn off the TV and get out of bed with the crazy world. Time is very short indeed.

  20. could you please tell me what is your definition of Luke 21:36. Pray always that ye may be accounted worthy to “ESCAPE” “ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS” and to stand before the Son of man.

    • Hi Diana,

      It means that you should ask God to make you worthy to escape the Antichrist and the events that Jesus described.

      There is an escape, Diana. But, you will not find it by believing in a lie.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Hi
        I sent you a message yesterday asking your definition on Luke 21:36. Your response was this………. It means that you should ask God to make you worthy to escape the anti-christ and the events that Jesus said. There is an escape, but you will not find it in believing in a lie. My answer back to you is that there is an escape…..the rapture! What escape are you referring to?


        • Hi Diana,

          So, you’re saying that we should pray to be in the Rapture?

          That doesn’t make sense. All those who are in Christ will be in the Rapture, you can’t pray to be included. You are, automatically.

          Actually, Luke 21:36 is yet another proof that the Pretribulation Rapture is a lie.

          As for a place of safety, well… Jesus said to pray. Revelation 12 does indicate one place.

          Sorry, Diana, but the pretribulation Rapture is a lie – straight from Hell, and smells like smoke.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  21. Dear John,

    I appreciate your commentary. I wrote a commendatory post in support of your position last week in a “Daily Bible Nugget” on a passage from Revelation that proved you were correct in asserting no one who takes the Mark of the Beast can be saved.

    But today’s post about the Pre-tribulation Rapture I totally disagree with. I have already answered your position about the Pre-tribulation Rapture in an eight-part series under the category “Bible Prophecy,” under my title “Rapture Question Answered” at my website, which I invite you and your readers to visit.

    It is so far obvious to me that you did not read any of what I posted for you, but the material is still there, and I urge you to study what I have written most carefully.

    I believe I have demonstrably done my homework on this issue. May I kindly suggest that you may not have done your homework on this issue.

    The very verse you began this current article with, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, fully disproves your position.

    “Our gathering unto Him” is a reference to the Rapture.

    Therefore, in this very passage (since it is mentioned first!) it is mentioned BEFORE any events of the Day of the Lord, and takes place before the great apostasy as well as before the appearance of the Antichrist–the main point of Paul’s argument here.

    • Hi Jerome Smith,

      I have seen your ‘proof’, and it grieves me to see you take such an obviously twisted path. I know that you mean well, but you have chosen the path of a lie.

      All that you have been able to do is offer vague interpretations that are out of context.

      The Bible says that:

      The Rapture will not come until after the Antichrist appears.

      The Rapture will not come until after the Tribulation.

      The Rapture will not come until the resurrection.

      Yet, you have chosen to follow the lie, instead of believing the truth.

      Jerome, this will not end well for you. I’m so sorry.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  22. Thanks John for this timely reminder and for the illuminating series on spiritual lies. I have recently come out from under this deception and through this process of finding the truth in God’s word have grown closer to Him! Praise Him from whom all blessings flow!
    Other scriptures that helped me and are useful here include:
    1Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
    Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
    God does have a plan to keep His people safe at all times, no matter the circumstances; Joseph Jacob’s beloved in Genesis, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Daniel, David and Saul, Peter and John in Acts and many others throughout the Bible.
    So in the testing and tribulation to come, God tells us that He is a covering (literally a shield in 2Sam 22:3), a strong tower (Psalm 61:3 & Prov 18:10) where He is a place of safety (Isaiah 28:16) for all who love Him. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit will always be our hope and place of deliverance from the evil to come.
    Finally we should be encouraged by the words of Jesus in that we who follow Him, as did the prophets of old, are ridiculed (persecuted – Matthew 5:12) by the world as it knows not the ways of the Lord. For great is the reward for those that overcome this world though the way (Jude 1:21), Jesus!
    May His works be praised!

  23. Shalom John, well written article on one of the great end-time deceptions, the pre-tribulation rapture. There are many, many scriptures that must be discarded completely by the proponents of this destructive belief. Those perishing because they have rejected the truth, and a love of the truth cling to the pre-trib rapture because they would rather be entertained than informed, and are therefore willing participants in their own deception.

    Sadly, fiction such as the “Left Behind” series by Lahaye and Jenkins has done much to promote these erroneous beliefs. While popular and entertaining, such works are detrimental to the spiritual well being of millions that identify as bible believing Christians. Sad to observe those that cling to these beliefs because they are much more comfortable than truth.

  24. Paul’s point in 2 Thessalonians 2.1-2, was to correct the false teaching that the Thessalonicans were experiencing the Day of the Lord, the Tribulation. Someone had written a letter that they were experiencing the Day of the Lord. This had shaken them. It contradicted what Paul had taught them previously, in 1 Thessalonians, that the Lord would come for His Church, the body of Christ, and remove it before the Tribulation. The reason for 2 Thessalonians was to correct the false teaching that Christians would experience the Tribulation.

    The Rapture was a Pauline revelation. Jesus never spoke of it in His earthly ministry.

    • Hi Don,

      Jesus never spoke of the Rapture in his ministry? Are you kidding me?

      These are Jesus’ words, right here:

      But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. – Mark 13:24-27

      Don, you didn’t read a word that I wrote. I am mystified by such a devotion to the pretrib lie. Amazing.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John,
        The passage you quoted is the 2nd coming, not the Rapture. The 2nd coming occurs at the end of the Tribulation. If Jesus taught the Rapture you have to get rid of Paul. Paul declared the Rapture was a “secret” (1 Corinthians 15.51). If it was a secret it was unknown. Therefore, Jesus could not have revealed it in His earthly ministry. Your position prevents you from obeying Paul command in 1 Thessalonians 4.18. What kind of encouragement was there in telling people they would go through the Tribulation? Paul taught that members of the body of Christ would NOT experience God’s wrath. That’s encouragement! Let’s back up a bit. Can you please tell me what the gospel is?

        • Sorry, Don, but you are twisting the Bible.

          Paul did NOT say that it was a secret. He said that it was a mystery. He did not say that it was ‘unknown’.

          It is a MYSTERY to me that you feel that you can twist the words of Paul like that.

          Why would you do this?

          If you want the exact words, go here:

          Furthermore, you are confusing the Tribulation – which is from Satan and the Antichrist – with the Wrath of God.

          Don, you have chosen a lie. That is a bad choice, so I am calling you to repent of this, before it is too late.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • John,
            According to the biblehub link you provided, the word μυστήριον means “secret”–something unknown. The Scriptures give an explicit statement that no one taught or knew of the Rapture before Paul. No one taught the “day of Christ” before Paul. This phrase and its meaning is found in no other writer. The day of Christ is a day of hope and encouragement. The day of the Lord is a day of wrath and dread which was revealed throughout the Old Testament. Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5.1-3 that only unbelievers enter and experience the Tribulation. Your teaching identifies yourself with “they” and “them”–unbelievers. According to your teaching, God has appointed “us” to wrath which is opposite to Paul’s teaching (1 Thessalonians 5.9). If you read Revelation, you will find that God pours out his wrath and judgment upon the world via seals, trumpets, bowls. This is the Tribulation Jesus spoke of. Lastly, I ask again, what is the gospel?

          • Don,

            Jesus described the Rapture, here:

            And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. – Matthew 24:31

            You said that no one taught or knew of the Rapture before Paul.

            Are you calling Jesus a liar?

            I am shocked that you would think of our Lord and Savior this way.

            And, you claim that 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 is talking about ‘unbelievers’?

            Do you even understand what the Rapture is about?

            Why would Paul warn Christians to be watchful and not sleep, in this context?

            You can’t CHOOSE to be in the rapture, because ALL who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior are in the Rapture.

            Do you even KNOW what harpazo means?

            How can you possibly twist this scripture like this?

            I am amazed.

            It is you and your fellow travelers who are preaching ‘peace and safety’. Those that are teaching this heresy are attempting to keep our brothers and sisters asleep while Satan does his work. If you teach this, Don, you do the work of Satan.

            I am shocked and grieved that you would so blatantly twist the precious words of God. I really am.

            Don, you MUST repent.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  25. Decades of brainwashing is difficult to erase unless one is earnestly seeking God for the Truth. Many bible teachers and churches have been guilty of teaching this false concept from cradle to grave. Many believers take the pre-trib rapture as gospel and never question it. Sad. If we are never to experience suffering, then why has God allowed our Christian brothers and sisters in Muslim and Communist countries to suffer persecution, torture and death for their faith? And isn’t their suffering the result of the anti-christ spirit that rules in those countries? The same anti-christ spirit that will rule during the tribulation? I believe God’s wrath will be poured out upon those who follow the anti-christ and not on born again Christians. We in the Western world have a rude awakening facing us and I fear most are not in the least prepared!

  26. Hi John, You did a good job but I think you missed a strong verse to make your point. All the pretribers use the verse 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and say at the sound of the trump they learn to fly, but what they need to see is that 1 Cor. 15:52 goes with that verse and it say’s we go at the last trump! So now they can go to the book of Rev. and see all the things that we will see before Jesus’s return along with the verses in Mat. 24 and so on. Thanks R.H.

    • Hi R.H. McDowell,

      That IS a strong verse, but the article was already very long. And, it would have needed another level of argument.

      I may be required to write a book. When/if that happens, it will certainly go in.

      Thank you, RH! Great point.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  27. Nope no; rapture but there is a protection to the people that truly believe in GOd in the last days. No third temple either.
    Oh btw the Dome on the mount is the abomination desolation!
    Time of the gentiles has already passed when Israel became a nation agian in 1948.
    It’s funny too Daniel said these knowledges would be sealed until the time of the end so anythign before 1948 don’t believe.
    They werent unseealed until then.

    • Hi csaaphill,

      Um… I’m not sure how the Dome on the Mount could be the abomination that makes desolate.

      Also, here is the verse that speaks of the end of the times of Gentiles:

      And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. – Luke 24:24

      So, the times of the Gentiles were not fulfilled until Jerusalem was controlled by the Jewish people – in 1967.

      Thank you, csaaphill. Good comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  28. If so then God owes every Christain that’s been killed since his death an appology and they should of been Raptured.
    The tribulation is happening here and now not some time in the future its here!
    Every Jew that suffered slavory and exileation after Jeruselum fell God owes an appology to if there is a Rapture!
    Truly the only ones ever were was Elijah and Ennoch, that I know of.
    The crowd withte tribulation behind them in the one parrable aren’t escaping it they came through it and now it’s behind them. Don’t base everything on one taken two left read more into it and it will show you that has nothign to do with a rapture. Revelations does say his peole will be protected during tribulation times but not dissapear.
    it’d be nice but goes against every theme out of the bible where his people had to go through tribulation.
    BTW allah is the Antichrist and Mohamod is the false Prophet!

  29. sorry but try understanding the teachings of Jesus through his jewish background and traditions.Jesus uses the ancient Jewish Wedding traditions in his teachings of his coming for his bride.The Rapture/or coming for the bride before the tribulation starts is correct when referring back to this tradition, which scriptures correlate with perfectly,it is no lie and a true event which will happen

    • Hi dan,

      So, nothing that I said makes ANY difference?

      Do you even believe that the Bible is true?

      The ONLY way that you can believe as you do is to believe that Paul was an idiot and didn’t know what he was talking about. Of course, you’d have to say the same about Jesus. Because He said the same thing.

      Dan, your devotion to this lie is amazing.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  30. Hi, John. I concur with your position that the “rapture” is AFTER the so-called tribulation. There is a book out recently, entitled IN THE STRENGTH OF HIS MIGHT, by Susan Jeans (available on Amazon) which speaks to the particulars of the timing of the gathering of the saints together to be with the LORD. You, and your readers, might find it of interest.

    When I first encountered the idea of the rapture, I was exposed to the pre-trib rapture concept. I believed it, UNTIL I started studying in earnest for myself. It didn’t take long to sadly put the idea aside. I WANTED to be spared all the horror of the things to come. But, from every perspective – both the “big” picture, and the minute details, I found I could not accept that theory. There isn’t enough space herein to speak to the multitude of reasons why, but your posting covers the essentials. I’m sorry (in advance) for the blowback you will undoubtedly receive.

  31. I think you are mixed up on a number of points. For one, the angels don’t come and get us as you suggest….our bodies are transformed in a twinkling of an eye….we are instantly with Jesus, not taken to Him by an angel. The elect that Jesus is speaking of in that passage are those who have survived the Tribulation and will enter the earthly Millennial kingdom. And the reason Jesus never mentioned any Rapture, is because we are told by Paul that the Rapture is a mystery that was only revealed to the Church. The church didn’t exist until after Jesus resurrection, because while Jesus was still present on earth the kingdom was still being offered to the Jews. And the sun and moon being darkened and stars falling are all part of the wrath of God. The church is not here for the wrath. In I Cor 6 Paul tells us the saints will judge the world. We have to be in heaven for that to happen….not on earth enduring the very judgments we are to help pour out on the earth. And the first resurrection spoken of in Rev 20 is to put people back in earthly bodies to live in the Millennial kingdom. The church will have been given glorified bodies like Jesus glorified body. Not a flesh and blood and bone body like this group that is being resurrected.

    • Hi Janice,

      I’m sorry but, it was Jesus who said that the angels were coming for us (Mark 13 and Matthew 24).

      You said, …those who have survived the Tribulation and will enter the earthly Millennial kingdom. So, how do you explain this verse:

      And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. – Rev 20:4

      I’m sorry, Janice, but the Bible says something different than what you are saying.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  32. First off for being a supposed “truth” website, you sure do suppress the truth. Ive replied to several of these post rapture nonsense rants, never once has one made it to the public?! Never one article of the Pre Rapture and the entire bible supporting it, has made it on steve quayles site because steve doesn’t believe in the pre rapture. So he suppresses the information from you hmmm, guess he wants to push his agenda of fear mongering not Gods message of Hope? I would go into my point with Scripture but you wont post it so why do it all again. Ive emailed questions to Pastor Lankford with no response? You may not believe in Pre Rapture but that wont stop you from going!! Faith in Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to GLORY not the works these men tell you, you will have to do during the tribulation.

    • Hi jordan,

      I don’t recall deleting your comment, but if it was abusive… I would have deleted it.

      Also, this website is not a sounding board for heresy. It’s about truth, and not a lie. If you are preaching lies to this audience, you cannot expect me to accommodate you.

      I’m sorry that you have chosen a lie, over the truth, Jordan.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  33. It is sad to see such poor discernment. It amazes me how badly people hate the concept of the Rapture of the Church that must take place BEFORE the events you listed. It also amazes me to see people call it an error or heresy. I suspect you are looking in the mirror when you throw around these terms.

    The Pre Trib Rapture of the Church was THE standard of the church from the beginning. The early believers called people like you that lied about it and taught something else spiritually immature, a polite consideration you don’t give. Quite telling indeed.

    • Hi Mark,

      You have no proof whatsoever that the pretrib rapture was preached before 1830 – none. I know, because I looked.

      Furthermore, I find it interesting that the only way that pretribbers can prove their point is by weaving a massive web of words. And, when you look closely at this web, you find that it’s just a tissue of vague ideas and misdirected verses. Your 250 reasons for the pretrib rapture amounts to no reason at all.

      The Bible clearly states that the Antichrist, The Tribulation and the resurrection must all come before the rapture. Yet, you would deny even the words of our Lord and Savior – when He described the rapture as AFTER the tribulation.

      I marvel at how little you fear the wrath of God that will be directed at you because you so blissfully twist His words and teach this lie to others.

      You have chosen the words of a lie over the words of God, Mark. This will not end well for you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  34. I am a pretriber and I don’t believe God will prevent us from suffering at all. infact I believe Jesus said we will suffer persecution….

    the difference that you may not understand is the difference between suffering-persecution and God’s wrath… I believe God’s wrath is towards those who are not saved…. so the question is when does Gods wrath start? beginning of tribulation or middle? or end?

    I do believe that a lot of pre=trib believers in THIS COUNTRY feel they will not suffer at all which I believe is so wrong. God would need to explain to me why we are any different than all the Christians around the world being killed for their faith and us being protected from that…so many Christians in US are going to have an eye opener and that is coming very soon…. this year maybe…

    good news though is that HIS coming is closer than before…

    • Hi Michael,

      I am glad that you believe that persecution and suffering is the lot of the Christian.

      However, that is only part of the story. I have proven in this article, with irrefutable verses, that the Antichrist and Tribulation must come before the Rapture – and that the resurrection must come at the SAME TIME as the Rapture.

      Are you willing to oppose the words of Jesus, Himself, when He says in Mark 13 and Matthew 24 that the Rapture comes AFTER the Tribulation?

      Do you choose the convenient lie, or the words of God?

      Choose carefully, Michael.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  35. Sorry John Little but it is YOU who have twisted the Bible beyond recognition if you preach a pre-trib rapture is a lie. Hal Lindsey is not a false teacher. His extensive training and qualifications need not be mentioned here. As you obviously have dismissed them in you supreme arrogance. I thought you were pretty level-headed but seeing how you treated John MacArtur and others you deem “false teachers” on topics that don’t really matter as far as one’s salvation is concerned really has me worried. In this time we Christians should be united. Not trying to tear each other’s throats out over minor doctrinal differences. I am saddened that you see other fellow believers with different opinions with such vitriol and derision. As guess you will be the most surprised and humbled when the rapture suddenly happens BEFORE the antichrist is revealed. I believe that because the Bible tells me so. In plain simple language without any “twisting.” I pray for the bitterness to be removed from you brother.

  36. No where in the Bible does it ever talk about pre-tribulation… I do not know where everyone gets pre-tribulation from but I would love for anyone to show me a verse or a passage that says pretribulation…

  37. I thought that the man of sin would reveal himself halfway through the tribulation and when the 2 witnesses would rise from the dead, that was when the rapture would take place. Just curious why this would not fit scripture given above?

    • Hi gibby62,

      Unfortunately, the Bible makes it clear that we must go through the persecution of the Antichrist, first. Only afterwards, will the rapture happen.

      Remember that Jesus said that it would be AFTER the Tribulation – Mark 13 and Matthew 24.

      Thank you, gibby62.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  38. Since I already know you will most likely “moderate” my last comment into oblivion, here’s a link with plenty of logical arguments IN FAVOR of a pre-tribulational rapture. You seem to have spent a lot of time on this topic and probably have a clever reply for detractors in these limited comments sections. But for what it’s worth, check this out and you might learn something.

    • Hi Tony Reusser,

      Of course, I will edit out heresy. I am responsible to God for what appears on this site.

      I looked through the webpage that you provided, and I am amazed at what passes for ‘evidence’. If people are willing to believe and follow such flimsy evidence, then they deserve what will happen to them.

      Tony, you will one day remember what I said to you. And you will truly regret the decision that you are making now.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  39. John Little, Do you believe in Replacement Theology? Are we (the church) Israel? I was excited to read your viewpoint on post-trib rapture. However, when you concluded that pre-tribbers don’t love God because they don’t share your interpretation of the timing of the rapture I would say beware!

    • Hi Mic,

      My interpretation? Really?

      I do NOT believe in replacement theology. My past articles are evidence of that fact.

      I said that MANY pretribbers have chosen a lie over the words of God. The rest have been deceived.

      Now, offer me proof of the pretrib rapture.

      Mic, choose carefully.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  40. Hi John-
    Can you help me understand why there is a distinct shift from grace to the law between Philemon and the end of the Church Age and Hebrews?


  41. Due to space limitations I cannot adequately reply to this but I want to essentially say what I emailed to David Langford, after his vitriolic attack against the pre-trib rapture and genuine Christians that adhere to it, on a special Hagmann show Steve Quayle and he did early this year. Langford never replied to me. The link to that email on my blog is here.

    Other similar posts about pre-trib scoffers and pre-trib apologetics can also be accessed by clicking on the label “rapture.” I have been saved and Bible studying since about 1967. Pre-trib scoffers have me more convince of the soon coming of Jesus for His Church than ever before as it seems to increase yearly in intensity. I expect this reply will be censored so others cannot read it but that’s between you and God.

    • Hi Steven,

      I find it interesting that pretribbers must deluge us with words to prove their point. All that I have to do is provide three passages to destroy the pretrib argument.

      Steven, my hands are clean. I have tried to warn you, and you have ignored the warning. Your judgment is upon your own head. I’m so sorry.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John it bothers me how much you like to tell people that they will have great judgement on them for believing in pre-trib. Whether someone believes in pre-trib, mid- trib or post trib does not truly matter in the end. One of the three will happen, but the one true thing that matters is a persons salvation. If a person has not asked Jesus into their heart and follows him as their Lord and Savior none of the ” taking away of the church ” will matter. I was raised pre-trib but at this point I am not totally sure and my husband and I are starting to dig into more. I will not debate what points I believe and do not believe right now. I just think that the most important message that can be taught right now is Salvation and to be ready for anything. If you are saved and there is pre-trib great, but if there is post-trib then at least you can be ready for that as well. First things first Salvation.

        • Hi Bethany,

          You are right, to say that salvation is the most important part. And, I have always made this the first and most vital part of everything that I say and do.

          In fact, without Christ, no one has any hope of escaping what is coming.

          But, what is happening is a deliberate twisting of the precious words of God to excuse the need to follow the commandment of Jesus – to watch, pray and prepare. Furthermore, they use this terrible lie to convince other Christians that they should NOT prepare for the storm that is coming.

          Many will die because of this lie, many who are children and many who are young in Christ. This is a terrible sin, and it breaks my heart. A terrible evil is at our doorstep, and we are asleep.

          Worse, there are those who are preaching damnable heresy that will lead many to ally themselves with the Antichrist. I wrote about this last week, and I am shocked beyond words.

          I really do wish that I was ‘out-of-line’ in my outrage over this appalling Pretribulation Rapture Lie. But, I just cannot see it.

          Lives and eternity are on the line, Bethany, and I cannot shrink from the need to face it. Having said that, I will keep your words in mind.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  42. I take exception to your article and how you portray those who subscribe to a pre-tribulation as being deceived by a lie from the father of all lies.
    You certainly, nor I, know exactly when and how The Lord will do specific things, His timing on His return nor how certain verses in scripture specify EXACTLY such things. I can quote some men’s read of scripture by Paul, Peter and John that the pre-trib interpretation is the most likely scenario. That is their opinion, not direct confirmation from The Lord.
    Things that are non-negotiable – Jesus is the only way to the Father, Jesus is divine, faith not works is required for salvation, etc. – are just that. They are straight, irrefutable and plain.
    So, in short, I don’t agree you lumping those of pre-trib view (me being one) as being deceived by Satan. You believe the Almighty gave you this stance. I personally disagree. What I read in the Bible leads me to believe this view is not only possible, it may be right.
    We are to occupy, stand firm, stay faithful and spread the gospel until we die or until He returns (regardless of what you think the sequence is).

    • Hi Robert H,

      I’m sorry that you take exception at this. I have given you chapter and verse, and your response is a personal attack.

      I have even given you the direct words of Jesus, yet you dare to reject them.

      I think that this speaks volumes.

      Robert, you have chosen a lie, over God.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  43. Hi there –
    The “pretrib” rapture has been a needlessly polarizing issue amongst professing believers for quite some time. God will carry out HIS will in regards to future events flawlessly and perfectly, in alignment with his word. Us foolish humans have stumbled over various interpretations and holding our own pet theories on exactly how these events will occur. In the meantime, we should all seek the fruits of the Spirit, and minimize any arrogant claims and humbly pray for how we are to individually to respond to today’s challenges as well as the future prophetic fulfillments, should we be alive to experience them. There are going to be a lot of stunned/ashamed people out there.

    BTW, am in agreement with several of the key statements above. For one: this world = tribulation. Only the last portion of the future timeframe = “great tribulation”.

    That said, I’m posting the link to an incredible book that synthesizes the polarizing popular viewpoints of the timing harpazo event. See page 381 for the differences between the two distinct “Days of the Lord” (in how God deals separately with the church and than the remnant). It’s actually in accordance with what the early church believed as well. For one, it’s important to realize the REDICULOUS notion of a some future 7 year covenant that will be broken in the middle. Honest question for the skeptics: when if ever in history are treaties/covenants made for a lasting timeframe? if broken “in the midst”, wouldn’t that be technically a 3.5 year covenant? THINK PEOPLE THINK! Would welcome anyone’s feedback and comments for those truly interested and open to consider these ideas. “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.” Prov 25:2. Be a Berean ala Acts 17:11.…and%20the%2070th%20Week%20of%20Daniel%20(2nd%20Edition).pdf

    • Hi Elpidios,

      Up until I realized that people were using the pretribulation rapture lie to NOT prepare for what was coming…

      …well, only then did I start to talk about it so strongly.

      I’ve been truly shocked to see people use a theory with so many holes in it to keep them from preparing for certain disaster.

      Thank you, Elpidios.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  44. I don’t even know if I believe in a pre-trib rapture because I am pretty sure we are in the tribulations & I am sure Obama is the anti-Christ, but I do not intend wasting any time reading something which flatters itself to be truth but starts with an all encompassing lie. That you can say that the only ONLY reason pre-tribbers have to believe is that God would not let his children suffer is the most outrages thing I have ever heard with regard to this subject & a patent attention seeking lie taking away any credibility you might otherwise have. If you really believe anything you have written about going to the Lord before writing anything, I would go back again to check which Lord you are speaking with.

    • Hi Christine Gavin,

      Well, this isn’t the first time that someone has accused me of being in league with Satan.

      Try showing me where I’m wrong with scripture.

      Christine, do you honestly believe that we are not supposed to suffer persecution?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  45. E W Bullinger was the greatest and most honest theologian of modern times. He was Pre-trib. Just because Christians hold a certain doctrine to be true DOESN’T make them liars. It seems this Post-trib doctrine is becoming more and more a sacred cow for some folks (remember sacred cows make great hamburgers). I’d calm down and stop causing division. The argument could go either way. Both sides will probably be surprised at the outcome. Bullinger did an excellent job backing up both Dispensational and Pre-trib logic with scripture. As for me, I’ll wait and see.

    • Hi Pete Lounsbury,

      If people would get off of their butts and prepare for disaster, then I wouldn’t speak a word about the pretrib rapture. I don’t actually care about a person’s eschatological view of the world – outside of the fact that people would dare to twist the precious words of God.

      But, our brothers and sisters have chosen to be passive in the face of utter destruction, and I cannot sit idly by while that happens.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  46. I have held the pre-wrath of God rapture position for a long time. I am starting to notice more and more expositors and teaching accepting this view. I am glad that you do as well. Good article.

  47. Honestly John, Those verses you provide really are irrefutable regarding the timing of the Lord’s coming and catching us away. It bothers me almost equally, but not quite how many people who believe in the final 7 year scenario from Daniel who call the entire 7 year period ‘the tribulation period’. No, it’s not! It begins at the mid point when the antichrist sits in the temple and presents himself as god. This tribulation from the beast doesn’t last the entire final 3.5 years but is ‘cut short or no flesh would be saved’.
    The only question is regarding those who were beheaded for their testimony and who did not take the mark, the number of the beast etc. It appears they are not raised at the same time as everyone else, but shortly after. Still, it is the first resurrection.
    When I first threw myself on the Lord’s mercy in the early ’90’s and walked into a church the pre trib rapture was all the rage. I kept it with me but wasn’t fully sure of it. Then I read a book by Marv Rosenthal on the topic where every point fell into place without any torture. I knew for sure then that this tribulation doctrine which so many held was not true. We’ve got some fun days ahead but at least we won’t be surprised by it.

  48. Hi John. You have strong points which I followed with interest as I do not want to live in error. However, you only approch a few points that relate to pre-tribers. There are profound symbology all through the Bible that should be discuss for this matter. Rapture types like Noah, Lot, Elijah and Enoch, the feast of trumpets and its fulfillment, parable of the virgins, the lukewarm church, the pattern of a man and his wife and the “rapture” concept in jewish wedding, absense of church role after chapter 4 in Relevations. I wish to hear your observations on issues like these, once you investigate the matters.

    As a man who fear God, I have been impacted by powerful testimonies of people like Susan Davis and David Owuor who announce the imminent coming of the Lord. You would have a hard time discrediting them. Sometimes even if you do not believe to the words, you believe to the signs. And in their case, the signs are glorious.

    Lastly, saying that when discussing a verse you get attacked personally is a way to implicitly suggest that your counterpart is in error, but this just means those people do not know more. I think some of your arguments are strong enough to need this kind of discredit strategies.

    God bless you.

    • Hi Gabriel Bayona,

      We are ‘stuck’ with the truth, whether we like it or not. I do not like believing what the Bible says about the Tribulation, but it’s the truth. To believe otherwise would be to resist God and embrace a lie.

      That never ends well.

      Sorry, Gabriel, but either the Bible is the truth, or it’s not.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  49. Thanks for a great message. I’ve been saying the same thing for years, but few desire truth. YHWH has been stripping me of man made lies, yes it hurts sometimes, but I want TRUTH. Let all His chosen seek His TRUTH.

    May God bless you, keep you, and shine His face upon you!

  50. There is no rapture. You misunderstand Revelation to John. It says that the ramainder of the 144,000 annointed will be taken to heaven after conversion into spirit creatures just before the final battle. That’s not a “rapture”. They are to fight along side Jesus. They must be there. The apostles were the first of the annointed, and about 6000 or so are left on Earth right now. Still, not a rapture.

      • No, it is not a harpazo. “To be seized against one’s will” is the definition. The annointed want eagerly to fulfill their heavenly hope. Remember only the annointed 144,000 are to go to heaven and almost all of them are there, and have been for a long long time. No rapture or harpazo or whatever you want to call it. It’s a false teaching, and a misunderstanding of Revelation. Not surprising as almost the entire Earth misunderstands the scriptures. They listen to religion rather than God. The two are in complete opposition to one another. Religion is Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. It will all be destroyed. Christendom first, and at the hands of the U.N.

          • Exactly. I am actually not the one to say it, but John wrote it in Revelation to John when Jesus had it revealed to him while a prisoner on Patmos. Jesus, however, did go back there to be with his father.

          • Little John;
            Not one of your quoted scriptures prove what you claim. Not a single one. You have no understanding of scripture, and you teach lies based on your misunderstanding, because you believe religion instead of God. Jesus is God’s only begotten son, not God Almighty. Jesus is as a god, not God. Jesus is a reflection of his father, not his own father. Jesus never prayed to himself, didn’t resurrect himself, didn’t send himself. How can Jesus not know the exact day and hour of the final battle, but his father does know? You’re pretty absurd to think that any scripture lies or contradicts other scripture, unless, of course, you are using a false translation.

      • JohnLittle;
        Being saved does not mean going to heaven. It means resurrection to a paradise Earth. Only the 144,000 go to heaven. If you are with the remnant of the 144,000 on Earth now, you will be protected during the final battle. if you are not, you will die during the final battle, with NO resurrection. Being saved, once more, does not mean going to heaven.

        • Hi Mike Savage,

          I hardly know where to begin.

          Only the 144 thousand go to heaven?

          That flies in the face of the entire Bible.

          This is what the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe, and they also believe that Jesus wasn’t God. And THAT is complete and utter heresy.

          Mike, you must repent of this error.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • No, that’s what the Bible says. The Bible says Jesus is not God. It says he was like a god, not God Almighty. God Almighty is the sovereign of the universe, Jesus is his son, holy spirit is God’s active force used to create, perform miracles, and teach.

            Little John, what you teach is from religion, not from the scriptures. Not from God Almighty, and not from Jesus. The scriptures are extremely clear that Jesus is God’s son, not God. No trinity exists except in paganism. Stop teaching the lies of religions.

          • Hi Mike Savage,

            I was hoping against all evidence to the contrary that you did not believe this. This is a clear denunciation of Christ and His clear divinity.

            The verses in the Bible clearly indicate that Jesus was and is God, and that He was and is equal to God the Father. To deny this, is to deny Christ.

            For you to deny Christ fills me with dread. You face eternal punishment in the life to come.

            Repent of this sin, Mike. Accept Jesus as your Savior and your God.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • You posted this:

            John Little –
            August 21, 2014 at 3:08 am

            Hi Mike Savage,

            I was hoping against all evidence to the contrary that you did not believe this. This is a clear denunciation of Christ and His clear divinity.

            The verses in the Bible clearly indicate that Jesus was and is God, and that He was and is equal to God the Father. To deny this, is to deny Christ.

            For you to deny Christ fills me with dread. You face eternal punishment in the life to come.

            Repent of this sin, Mike. Accept Jesus as your Savior and your God.

            Not ONE scripture indicates that Jesus is God Almighty. Not a single one. Did Jesus beget himself? Pray to himself? resurrect himself? Send himself? Is he in union with himself? Did he say, from heaven at his babtism “This is my son whom I have approved” about himself? No. No trinity. Jesus is God’s SON, not God. Jesus is as a god, but not God. He is the image of God, not God. Jesus is not the sovereign, not the father, not his own creator. To believe such things is completely INSANE. You apparently do NOT actually study an accurate translation of the scriptures, ever. Had you ever done so, you would see the fallacy of your rediculous statements, and your sins against God and Jesus, his SON. You need to follow God’s command to take in ACCURATE knowledge of him daily; follow ALL of his commands, and repent. Lest you receive his judgement.

          • Hi Mike Savage,

            For you to publicly compound your denunciation of Jesus as God is grievous. You really are NOT a follower of Christ. I have only to offer a few verses to destroy your arguments.

            Isaiah 9:6

            John 1

            Acts 10:28

            John 20:28

            Titus 2:13

            Hebrews 1:8

            I’m sorry, Mike, but just those six (among many) passages condemn you. You will stand before a holy God in the second resurrection, and you will suffer an eternity in Hell because you have rejected Christ.

            Please reconsider this position that you have taken. There is no heaven for those who reject Christ.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  51. He’s right – there’s no pre-trib rapture but there’s more…
    The repetitive signs of Jesus’ return: The seventh angel sounded a great sound of a trumpet; the last trumpet to sound is the trumpet of God. When Jesus returns and gathers the saints, there is judgment and the wrath of God befalls Satan and an unsaved world; for the day of the Lord, the great day of God, the last day is upon them all. The righteous, removed from God’s wrath on that day, will for “…ever be with the Lord”.

    I Thessalonians 4:16, 17 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

    Matthew 24:31 “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other”. There is nothing silent or secretive about what Paul or Jesus is telling us.

    Another sign that gives continuity to the event is the analogy about the hour, watching and not being caught off guard, this does not imply secretiveness, rather awareness:

    Matthew 24:42, 43 “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.” (Watch! Be aware!)

    I Thessalonians 5:1, 2 But of the times and of the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourself know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.” (Paul’s vote of confidence that they know and are aware.)

    Revelation 3:3 “Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” (Again, watch and be aware!)

    All three verses give a warning of awareness – and on what day? The day of the Lord!

    In II Peter 3:10 Peter repeats Jesus, Paul and John and gives us more ‘loud’ information:

    “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt fervent heat, the earth also and the works therein shall be burned up.” This day (event) is anything but silent!

    Over and over again we read that Jesus, Paul, Peter and John mention the following: Loud sound, great noise, and trumpet sounds, all to alert us Jesus is returning! The warnings to watch, the gathering of saints, the dead will rise, judgment takes place, sin removed, destruction and always ends with us going into everlasting life, life eternal, forever…NEVER a mention of a silent/secret rapture, 7 year time period or a future millennium!

    Understanding the True Meaning of the Millennium, the 1,000 Years!

    The Greek word translated thousand in Revelation 20, is chilioi, an indefinite plural of chilias, one thousand. Chilioi can mean one thousand, but it also can mean any number of years over a thousand and by being plural, it is figurative, as is most all of Revelation. What follows will show it represents the Christian era.


    “…the Son of God, who once died on the cross, and now reigns upon the throne of glory…” Matthew Henry, 1662-1714; Concise Commentary on the Whole Bible, page 1182.

  52. The rapture has nothing to do with God not wanting His people to suffer. The fact is that God will not let Jesus suffer AGAIN. Just as Moses was punished for striking the rock twice, the Church, the BODY OF JESUS CHRIST, will not suffer because our Lord suffered for us at the cross. If the Body of Christ were to suffer God’s wrath in effect Jesus would suffer God’s wrath a second time.

    We deserve death but because of the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior – we (the Church, the Body of Jesus Christ) are one with our Lord – we will not see God’s wrath because Jesus can not see God’s wrath a second time.

    We should be on our faces praising and thanking God for this gift. The Church is a special and blessed people – the mystery which Paul wrote about – the Body of Christ.

    Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    Amen – Thank You Lord – Thank You.

      • The tribulation is intended to begin the purging of religion and government and war from the Earth. No rapture is described in the scriptures. What all of you folks call the rapture, is an interpretation, something that is forbidden within the scriptures by God. It’s a misunderstanding of the fact that the remaining of the annointed 144,000, between the tribulation and the final battle, will be changed into spirit beings and taken to heaven with Jesus to fight the battle, and subsequently govern Earth from Heaven with Jesus as King, and the annointed as co-kings for the 1000 year judgement “day” or age. During that day, all will be taught by those that are protected during the final battle. All those being taught are to be resurrected, both the righteous and the unrighteous. Those that succumb to temptation by Satan, at the end of judgement day when he is released for a short time, will be given the second death. Permanent destruction. After the 1000 years is over, God will then rule Earth with the help of His son and the annointed. Then, only the righteous will live on Earth, in paradise, after Earth is once again made into paradise. At that time, God’s sabbath day or “age” ends, and God creates paradise. Many false religions observe sabbath, claiming it is Saturday or Sunday, and that ‘s erroneous. God’s day of rest is still ongoing, and began when God finished creating Earth and mankind. All of these misconceptions and thousands of other ones are tenets of RELIGION, all of which is false, especially religion itself.

        • Hi Mike Savage,

          I’m sorry Mike, but the Jehovah’s Witnesses movement is a cult. And, all who join themselves to this cult will suffer an eternal judgment in the life to come.

          You must repent of your sins, accept Jesus as Lord and Savior – and God. If you refuse, then you have only one destination.

          Please turn from this way of destruction, Mike – before it is too late.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • So you claim that God sent His SON, Jesus, to Earth to start a cult. Now you are insulting God, Jesus, and all TRUE Christians. Jesus STARTED NO CULT. GOD STARTED NO CULT. In stating what you did in your post, you make yourself God’s ENEMY.

    • Tell that to the Ugandan pastor who had his wife raped and then murdered in front of him and his children and then his children killed. Tell that to any in Fox’s book of martyrs. Pakistani Christians celebrate when someone is martyred for their faith, The rapture idea gained popularity in AMERICA which saw itself as invincible with oceans either side. People here do not identify well with the suffering that is NORMAL for the church. Jesus and Paul talked about suffering all the time – the Bible says ALL. Your dog does not hunt LK2.

  53. Dearest Author,

    While I lean pre-trib based on some other verses and study than what you are discussing here (the purpose of the tribulation, the Bible using types{similitudes, Enoch was probably pre-flood, just saying} as prophecy, some psalms, the candlesticks in revelation), that is not the purpose of my writing. I do not understand the vitriol with which you are attacking your fellow brothers in Christ. While you are certainly passionate about your points, to state something such as “My suspicion is that many pretribbers don’t love God. It’s really that simple.” is absolutely ridiculous. We already have an accuser of the brethren, he is busy enough.
    I have never believed we will escape persecution. My wife and I understand that we need to be ready for torture, death, etc. In the mean time however, we are not out bashing our brothers and trying to put before them a stumblingblock. 1 John 2:3 says, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him”. I believe the second fundamental of those commandments was to “Love your neighbor as yourself” (much less your brother). 1 John 2: 9-11 also says “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because darkness hath blinded his eyes”. Pre-tribulational rapture does not mean non-Christian. As the days grow darker, the true light will shine brighter. Godspeed.

    • Hi Chris Baker,

      I understand your point, and I would normally agree.

      However, it is clear that the Pretribulation Rapture theory is a lie. And, it is amazing to me to see our brothers and sister cling so desperately to it.

      Furthermore, I know the origins of this lie, and it is clear that it is the father of lies that has inserted this terrible falsehood into our midst.

      If people love this theory more than they love the precious words of God, then I can offer no other conclusion than that they do not love God. It really is that simple – although very grievous.

      Thank you, Chris.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  54. Sorry John…The Pre-Trib position is not only Biblical but it is the ONLY position that makes sense when studying the Scriptures…If you cannot know the “hour or the day” and you can know when the Tribulation starts (Daniel 9:27) and if Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, then you CAN know when He returns…not the very hour but certainly the day…its just a matter of numbers…

    • Hi Mike,

      You are willing to quote Matthew 24, but you ignore what Jesus said about the rapture happening after the tribulation – as described in that same chapter.

      Can’t you see how wrong your viewpoint is?

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Jesus never spoke about a rapture. You misunderstand what he said. You misunderstand Revelation to John also, it appears.

          • Elect in Christ? What scripture is that in? There are 144,000 going to heaven, and all those saved and resurrected will live on Earth after it is turned back into a paradise. Why do you argue with the scriptures? It’s like arguing with God. If that’s what you want, have at it.

  55. Good case: I just disagree with calling those who hold to a pre-trib position liars. I lean post-trib because the scriptures lead in that direction but I am not married to either position because God is going to do with me as he pleases and I cannot do a thing about it. I am not a fatalist but I also am not a sadist nor is our heavenly Father. Jus saying my fellow believers………

  56. Wow. It has been 38 years since I have heard anyone. My pastor and professor at Bible school believed exactly what you have taught and passed it on to me. He taught me that the secret rapture is so secret, is not in the Bible. Jesus is coming for a victorious and overcoming church so why would he pull his church out when it is the critical culmination of the age? Jesus comes once, not two or three times. The scripture calls for a resurrection of the just and the unjust. Period. We will go through tribulation (man’s wrath), not God’s Wrath (Rom 8:1). Lastly, the falling away of the church occurs when the church realizes there is no rapture and lose faith because they have been lied to.

    I look forward to you posts every day and enjoy someone who understands the simplicity of scripture. I do not want to go through tribulation and heartache, but it will happen. The important thing is to be as prepared as one can be. God has called me to prepare and not to be caught unaware.

    Keep up the good work. I appreciate your courage. It is easy to get stomped on when you step on some folk’s pet doctrine.

    • Teaching what is not in the scriptures is false teaching. False prophecy. works of the flesh, and an abomination to God Almighty. So secret it’s not in the bible. How Satanic can you get?

      • @Mike Savage you should read the king james. scriptures are clear about after tribulation there will be rapture. and the bible does say Jesus is God not “a god”. it says it in at least five places that i know of.

        John 20:28 – Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

        Romans 9:5 – …Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

        Titus 2:13-15 – …our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

        Hebrews 1:8 – But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever…

        2 Peter 1:1 – …the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ…

        Could it be more explicit? If so, how?

        you say “Teaching what is not in the scriptures is false teaching. False prophecy. works of the flesh, and an abomination to God Almighty. So secret it’s not in the bible. How Satanic can you get?”

        please take your own advice.Jesus Christ was God in the flesh.

  57. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some of you that there is no resurrection of the dead ?…….But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept………Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming…Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is not his….if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you……..

    The Lord Jesus Christ shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power….see also Rev. 19:11-20;… 20:4-15….And I saw thrones, and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image……and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years……..THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION…Blessed and holy is he that has part in the FIRST RESURRECTION…on such the second death has no power….but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years…….( there are only two collective mass style resurrections of mankind from the earth…..better catch the first one [the first flight]

      • I didn’t notate all the verses but you will recognize them from scripture……understand that my intention was to draw a simple thread regarding the truth and promise of our coming resurrection/rapture event as revealed in the scriptures and what the circumstances surrounding it are clear in context as shown in Rev. 20:4-6……you can deduce that when the beast makes war with the saints in Rev. 13 that is those of us in the church. You will notice in the Epistles letters of the N.T. that we are described as saints repeatedly.

      • If you had time to read the thread of scriptures that I gathered the other day to try to bring more clarity to the time frame of the actual time slot of the rapture event and the surrounding circumstances at that “twinkling of an eye moment” ( at least for me)………you will notice that worked it from the the truth and promise by God of the fact of our future resurrection and from that frame of reference………….when you read the …. Revelation 20:4-6…….. concerning the FIRST RESURRECTION in the context of this very passage after following the thread of passages written in my post referring to this subject of the rapture event……….you will read and see that Rev. 20:4-6 clearly places the gathering of the body of Christ ( saints that will rule and reign with Christ a thousand years………I see the Bride of Christ is spoken of here plainly……witness of Jesus……… priests of God and Christ …….second death has no power over them……..( these Biblical doctrines are familiar and revealed elsewhere in the scriptures as you know)…….to me this this clearly links Revelation 20;4-6 with the Church/Bride…….that will be caught up after the man of sin, son of perdition….. the “Beast” described and powerfully revealed in Rev. 13……..which links the whole doctrine of how he and the second beast ( false prophet) specifically…… causes men to worship the beast and that men at all levels are caused to take the “mark”…….which is included twice in the thread I gathered not to mention that it is stated again in Rev. 20:4-6……to be CLEAR…….the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST when Christ calls to meet him in the clouds…..and those that are alive and remain are transformed instantly following the FIRST !!! ( as we all agree)………these gathering up ( raptured up) to Christ passages in 1 Cor. 15 and in Thessalonians are describing the First resurrection ( as you already know) of redeemed men of whom are in the Church and IN CHRIST which is the Bride of Christ ……….further more the second death has no power over them

      • We the Church, the body of Christ, the Bride…..will not be called up to meet the Lord in the air until……………….. AFTER……. the ( man of sin…the beast is revealed…..and furthermore it clearly implies in…… Rev 20:4-6……… that the first resurrection follows the evil scenario of the second beast causing men to worship the first beast and to take his “mark” ………in the process to either comply or resist by both unregenerate men and (the saints by the grace of God) .. will either be BEHEADED during that period of world-wide tribulation to be numbered with those who will eventually RISE first at the event of the…… FIRST… resurrection to meet the Lord in the air…… OR…… they will remain alive through all this turmoil of the beast demonic transgenic creatures/nephilim and dark angelic forces warring against them with indescribable BRUTAL persecution in those days and be caught up to meet the Lord with new bodies immediately following the.. FIRST RESURRECTION…

      • ( original post part a.) Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some of you that there is no resurrection of the dead ?…….But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept………Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming…Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is not his….if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you……..

        Behold I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed…..For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God : and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air…… from whence we look for the savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body……

      • I agree with your Biblical understanding John. But let me explain,…. I asked myself ….If God’s word indicates to us that the rapture is to be so important for the body of Christ ? Then, should we not understand when to expect it to occur? Therefore, my intention was to share with you and others a different approach ( as opposed to the worn out attempts, time lines ect.)….I wanted to understand the doctrine and promises to us as believers of our future resurrection/rapture, which consequently led too and brought clarity and understanding of the passage in Rev. 20:4-6. It reveals the surrounding circumstances of the FIRST resurrection. Every serious follower of Jesus Christ already knows that the rapture is inseparable from this FIRST resurrection event according to the scriptures. I had to begin with the Biblical record and account of Christ’s own resurrection first and foremost, and then follow His promises given us together with previous understanding of the scriptures of which I included as concise as I was able. When this preliminary study was complete I say with confidence that this mystery and the fact of the rapture event occurring as God intended is self evident according to Rev. 20:4-6.

  58. The White Horse Rider is not necessarily the antichrist.
    Even if he is, there is no indication he has initiated 70th Week by confirming a covenant.

    The timeline is linear, the judgments are in series. There are 7 proofs for it if you look.

    The Seals of the Scroll are the Beginning of Sorrows.

    There will be death of up to one fourth of the earth before the end of chapter six. This should be enough to satisfy the bloodlust of those who say the rapture is an escapist fantasy.

    The pre-70th week martyrs are the 5th Seal.

    There are 21 identifying points about the multitude in R7.
    None of those 21 points identify them as martyrs.
    Come out is not the same as go through.

    The Rapture is in R7 and it is Pre-Trumpets.

    If I were to speculate, I’d say we’re about to see the Black Horse ride.
    Financial collapse.

    • Hi Phil Kulis,

      I agree. There is nowhere that says that the rider of the white horse is the Antichrist.

      Why do you say that the Rapture is before the trumpets?

      I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but remember that the Rapture is supposed to happen at ‘the last trump’.

      Thank you, Phil. Good points.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John,

        Why do I say the Rapture is Pre-Trumpets? Because when you read closely Revelation Chapter 7 you will see the 144k must be sealed before any harm can be done to the earth seas and trees which happens later in the Trumpet Judgments. The chapter continues with the words “After these things…” and then the description of the Raptured multitude IN HEAVEN is presented.

        That is immediately followed by the opening of the 7th Seal in Chapter 8 and in the 7th Seal are the Seven Angels with the Seven Trumpets. Notice too that the 144k are still ON EARTH and are the only ones exempt from the torment of the locusts from the pit (5th trumpet). The Saints are not on earth at this time but the 144k are.

        In Revelation 1:10, John describes being visited and the voice of Christ was like a TRUMPET.

        In 1 Thes 4:16 we know The Lord Himself will descend with:
        a shout, the voiice of the archangel, the TRUMPET of God

        The voice of God sounds like a trumpet and it is the trumpet of God. (Exodus 19)

        And since we are told we “will not know the day or the hour” it is not necessary for God’s voice commanding His saints to appear before Him to be recorded in the Revelation timeline when it is recorded by Paul twice. It is at His sole discrection. But the result is plainly seen in R7b.

        The Seventh Seal reveals the seven last trumpet judgments which are actual trumpets that are sounded BY THE ANGELS. It does not say they are sounded by God or are the voice of God.

        There is a Rapture and it is Pre-Trumpets.

        • Hi Phil Kulis,

          So when Paul says that we will be raptured at ‘The Last Trump’, he was… I don’t know …just kidding?

          Furthermore, you would need yet another rapture for the 144 thousand.

          I’m afraid that it doesn’t make sense to me, Phil.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • John,

            Are you kidding ME? Where do you conjure up the notion that there can be only one rapture???

            Pattern is prolog and well established. Enoch was raptured, Elijah was raptured, Philip was raptured, and Jesus was raptured. Paul speaks of someone taken into the 3rd heaven (raptured). I think there are more but I can’t recall off the top of my head.

            Just the simple plain text reading of the Revelation says that there is more than one in that book alone!

            There is one in R4 when John gets raptured, there is one with the 5th Seal martyrs, there is the big one in R7, the earth is reaped in R14 which could be another prior to the Bowls of Wrath, and two are depicted in R20 one before the 1,000 years and another after.

            So perhaps your question should be. “When Paul talks about “the last trumpet” or “the trump of God” which of the many raptures was he referring to?””

            Look closely at Paul’s descriptions. In Corinthians he says “with a s shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God” and yet the other description in Thessalonians he says “the last trumpet”. Do you assume that these two descriptions speak of the same exact event at the same exact time even though the descriptions do not match? Where do you get that?

            Pattern is prolog. Don’t you recall that the Jews made the grave error of thinking there were two Messiahs and not two appearances of the same one?

            Do you realize you are basing your eschatology on a false premise that God does not love His people and that you are responsible for the atonement for your own sins? That was paid for at the cross. Dude, He ain’t even mad at you.

            Please provide if you can scriptural support for your God limiting “one rapture only” view. Because in light of multiple scriptural depictions of multiple raptures, it’s your view that doesn’t make sense.

            There is a Rapture and it is Pre-Trumpets.

          • Wait, so you’re saying that because Enoch and Elijah were taken into heaven, that this is proof OF MORE THAN ONE RAPTURE?

            THAT IS YOUR PROOF?!

            You have ZERO, zip proof of more than one rapture. None. This ‘evidence’ that you speak of is no proof at all. You have yet to show me a scripture that is PROOF.

            The fact that you dare to twist the words of God like this is shocking. You have chosen to construct a web of lies, rather than believe the words of God. How utterly embarrassing and shameful.

            If you’re going to invite the wrath of God upon yourself, at least have some style.

            Phil, you gotta’ start reading your Bible.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  59. I find much agreement with your Biblical understanding concerning the event of the Rapture in proper context, but the part where you describe a place of safety for “ALL” Gods people seems to be UNCLEAR. When I read Rev. 12:1-6 it seems to be referring to the Jewish remnant specifically in that part of the world.

    • Hi Tim Martin,

      Unfortunately, I can’t be clear, because it’s not completely clear to me – other than that it will happen.

      Will there be other places of safety than that which is described in Revelation 12?

      I hope so. But, there are no guarantees.

      Thank you, Tim.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  60. So when Christ warned people to flee, He should have asked them to stay?

    Good Ph.D. scholars believe in a rapture.

    Scripture prophecies a known and an unknown day.

    When the Holy Spirit leaves the earth, God’s people filled with Him go along?

    The End Times are not like any gone before? The ‘millenia of suffering’ concept mimics mockers, cited in Scripture, saying that things have always continued as before. Prophecy concerns change.

    The believing church is not ethnic/national/covenant Israel? Tribulation OT prophesy aims at Israel.

    The Bible says that in the last days, God causes people to dream dreams and see visions? Many have testified to divine revelation of a sudden rapture that surprises mankind, which then submits to Antichrist.

    The wicked NWO cult awaits our disappearance? Satan expects us to vanish. Ask ex-Illuminist Doc Marquis or Texe Marrs. Yes, “The Antichrist MUST come before the Rapture.” Just barely.

    Cutting Edge:

    “Now…Matthew 24 is Jesus’ statement that no one, except the Father, will know the exact day and hour of His return. Yet, once the Antichrist ‘confirms the covenant’ … anyone who knows Scripture can count forward …

    “Then, when will Jesus’ return surprise the world?…The only other time … will be for His Church …

    “Beginning in 1987, ‘Guiding Spirits’ … began to … start preparing … for a spectacular global event …”

    Rapture Solution:


    “Post-tribulationism tries to harmonize the known day and unknown day into one day….

    “I struggled with the context of Matthew 24 for quite some time myself…

    “After I discovered the answer it was so simple that I laughed at myself…”

    • Hi Foreign Reader,

      You didn’t touch on a single thing that I said. Not a single one.

      Jesus said, Himself, that the Tribulation would come before the Rapture.

      You would dare to disagree with Jesus?

      Paul said that the Antichrist and the Resurrection would come before the Rapture.

      You would hold up some guy at a Bible college over Paul?

      Um… I’m having a bit of trouble over your reasoning, here.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  61. You’re absolutely right, it makes no sense for Jesus to suffer the way he did for humanity, and a few misguided wimps think they can get off easy and be whisked away without shedding their own blood for the Man they claim died for them. Only through pain and suffering will individuals attain the kingdom. Just look at the Christians being killed in the middle east obviously the rapture missed them. Jesus suffered and so must you and I. Once the Guillotines come out then will we truly know who is a true follower of Christ.

    You’re a smart man John Little.

  62. That verse about the dragon and the woman, and her being given wings, etc. It is mysterious and poetic like much of prophetic scripture, but is it really possible to be 100% certain that it means what you want it to mean? I’m not so sure.

    I find it easier to believe in no special protection, than that we will be given a place of safety. Why? Because of the verse that says the AC will be given power over the saints, to overcome them. And the one that says the souls of the martyrs cry out to God for justice, and are told to be patient because there are more to be martyred. This, to me, is one of the most incomprehensible things about God that there is – the way He allows His best and bravest to be tortured and slaughtered so horribly. I don’t even begin to understand it. But that is what He does.

    • Hi DRG,

      I understand your point. All that I’m saying is that it does offer hope of a place of safety for those of us who look for it.

      There is so much that is a mystery, but we know that it will make sense once it’s all over.

      Thank you, DRG. Great comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  63. Pretribbers can never explain why God would save us from the tribulation when He didn’t save Daniel from the Lion’s den, He saved him through it. God did not save Shaddrak Mishak, and Adbenago from the fiery furnace, but He sure saved them through it. We must go through the tribulation and most of us will surely be saved through it, but none of us will be saved from it.

  64. You mentioned that if a verse challenges your theory you have to change your theory. Here is one that should change your theory:

    Luke 12:36    And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

    Notice The Lord returns “from the wedding.” When Christ returns, he comes from heaven and from a wedding. That wedding is that of Christ and His bride. Pre-trib rapture of the church and post trib rapture of those saved during the tribulation that are not part of the bride. They are “guests” for the wedding. (Mt 22:9-10).

    • Hi Jason,

      That is your proof for the Pretribulation Rapture? Really?

      And you are willing to directly disagree with Jesus, when He said that the Rapture would come AFTER the Tribulation (Matthew 24 and Mark 13).

      Jason, I am continually amazed at this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Hello John. I am not arguing with Jesus. If you would read my reply more carefully, you would see there are two raptures. There’s going to be a pre-trib rapture of the church. Then a wedding in heaven. Otherwise you would be arguing with Jesus when He said he would be returning “from” a wedding. Then the post trib rapture of tribulation saints. This way I never argue with scripture. You have to make Lk 12:36 say something it doesn’t say, or just ignore it as you have done.

        You also erroneously believe that the “one resurrection” is only in the future. This again ignores a portion of the scripture. It is one resurrection with three stages. 1) Christ the first fruits (1 Cor 15:20) and those that rose with Him (Mt 27:52). Then the church, then the post trib saved that are not a part of the bride they are “guests”. Remember, John the Baptist clef himself a “friend of the bridegroom.” Firstfruits, harvest then gleanings. God calls Christ the firstfruits because it is the same harvest, different stages. Unless you believe Jesus and those that rose with him weren’t saved?

        Like you said, all scripture must fit your theory or you have to rewrite your theory.

        • Hi Jason,

          So, you dare to call Jesus a liar when He said that the rapture was AFTER the tribulation?

          You dare to call Paul a liar when He said that ALL in Christ would be resurrected before the Rapture?

          You dare to call Paul a liar when He said that the Antichrist would come before the Rapture?

          And, you then go and twist Luke 12:36? And even 1 Cor 15:20?

          I am amazed. You actually think that this is sound doctrine?

          I’m sorry, Jason, but you have sinned before God by adopting and teaching this lie. Repent before it is too late.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • Dearest John,

            Once again, I explained that there are two raptures, which is clear from scripture. Rather than losing your temper why don’t you address the points that I actually made, rather than repeating your vitriol and claiming everyone who disagrees with you needs to “repent before it is too late.”

            Please, show me how I am twisting luke 12:36. Let’s start there. Do not repeat your opening statement again, I understand your position. I am asking you to address Luke 12:36 which clearly states Jesus is returning from a wedding.

            Perhaps next you could address the issue of the wedding guests that are gathered during the tribulation. If the body of Christ is still on earth during the tribulation and those saved during the tribulation are added to the body of Christ, then why does the Holy Spirit call them “guests” and not part of the bride?

            These are very simple questions that deserve more than your vitriolic repeating of your position. Just calm down and address the Scripture which you claim to believe.

          • Jason,

            I can’t believe that this is your position… that this is your explanation.

            THAT is your evidence of a SECOND rapture? REALLY?

            Maybe the reason why you are so spiritually deaf to the Holy Spirit is that you have never read your Bible. I don’t know. I’m sitting here trying to understand why you would believe such an out and out lie – how you would twist scripture in such a way.

            Jesus here was talking to ALL Christians. ALL. He was giving a parable. It was a different one than the parable of the ten virgins. It has a different context.

            In this parable, the people the Jesus is coming for ISN’T a BRIDE!

            If you’re going to mix parables… let’s just mix them all together… let’s throw in the pearl of great price with the woman who lost the coin. We’ll let that simmer a bit before throwing in the parable of the talents followed by the virgins.

            I just can’t believe such utter ignorance.

            Matthew 24 and Mark 13 MAKE NO MENTION OF A PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE!! NONE!

            They only mention a POST-Tribulation rapture. Furthermore, they are the words of Jesus.

            You are a ‘Peace and Safety’ Christian, Jason, and that is a sin. You must repent.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • John,

            The reason you have trouble believing the truth of a pre-trib rapture is the same as all heretics, you don’t believe what you read. Jesus based His proof of life after death by the tense of a verb in an old testament passage (Mark 12:26) “I AM the God of Abraham”. Based on your biblical method, you would have been a sadduccee, doubting life after death and if someone would have shown you that verse you would have said “That is your proof?”

            Jesus was not addressing Christians in either Matt 24 or Mark 13. Your biblical ignorance is on display when you say things like that. It’s like people who think Abraham was a Jew, you don’t study your bible. Perhaps you need to re-read the gospels. There were no Christians there, only Jews, before the Cross and before the “death of the testator.” There was no Christian on earth until at least the death of Christ (Heb 9:16) but likely not until Pentecost.

            When Christ uses the imagery of a wedding, it is really quite simple. Surely you believe that Christ is the Bridegroom. Surely you believe John the baptist is the “friend of the bridegroom” (John 3:29–John was not a Christian, he was a Jew that died before the Cross, therefore He is not a part of the bride either). Surely you believe that the church is the bride of Christ. All people saved after the Cross are added to His Body, which is the Church, the Bride.

            So we have a Bridegroom (Christ), a Bride (the church), a Friend of the bridegroom (John the baptist) and we have “Guests.” Why would people saved during the tribulation be called “Guests” and not the “bride?” It is simple, the Bride is complete, and taken. Jesus returns “from a wedding” (luke 12:36) and those believers during the tribulation are invited to the “Marriage supper of the lamb” as guests. They are not a part of the bride.

            You refuse to believe this simple truth because you are more interested in your theory than truth. Unlike you, I will not damn you to hell based on your not agreeing with me and God. Instead I will simply point out you are calling God a liar, or perhaps simply a poor communicator. Just believe all of what God says. It’s really not that hard.

            You cannot prove the “first resurrection” is actually the first in history, because God told us Jesus was raised along with the OT saints in Mt 27:52. The next one will be the second in linear language, but still part of the first as it is the one harvest to eternal life. This is not difficult, it just involves study and humility, which you apparently lack.

            You are correct in that we cannot mix parables. We have to use the parables of the wedding separately from the parables of the harvest. But we use all the parables of the wedding together to form a composite and we use all the imagery of the harvest together to form a composite.

            I am not sure what you are so afraid of, or why you think it is a damnable heresy to believe what God says, where He says it, to who He says it. Just believe what God says. Or not, your call.

          • Jason,

            Nowhere in what you have said proves a pretribulation rapture. All you have is innuendo. And, innuendo is not proof.

            If you want to prove salvation by grace and faith, you have verses.

            If you want to prove the deity of Jesus, you have verses.

            But, you have no verses that do the same with the pretribulation rapture. You only have innuendo. And, innuendo is not proof.

            When Jesus described the Last Days, He told of a post-tribulation rapture – and said nothing about a pretribulation Rapture.

            When Paul spoke of the Rapture, it was at the Last Trump – when all the dead in Christ arise.

            When Paul again spoke of the Rapture, he said that it would be AFTER the coming of the Antichrist.

            Then, you go on to make a spiritual distinction between God’s people in the life to come. You claim that some of God’s people are ‘in the bride’ and some are not. The Bible does not make this claim. You have to twist the parables of Jesus to make that claim.

            Are you saying that God loved His friend Abraham LESS than He loves us?

            And yes, that is what you are saying.

            Jason, you preach a lie, with which you have no proof for – only innuendo. This is a sin. It might not send you to Hell (which I never claimed), but it will bring the wrath of God upon you.

            Repent, Jason, before it is too late.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • John,

            I agree that the verses I have shown you do not prove a pre-trib rapture. But they absolutely prove that there will be one rapture of the church and another at the end of the tribulation. I have studied this topic extensively and lean toward a mid-trib rapture of the church then a post trib rapture of the tribulation saints called “guests”. The Scriptures require two separate events. Otherwise Jesus couldn’t return “from a wedding.”

            Listen to yourself. You are calling believing God means what He says “innuendo”. It was “innuendo” when Jesus pulled “I AM the God of Abraham” out of the old testament to prove eternal life. That OT passage had nothing to do with life after death yet Jesus knows something you apparently don’t yet, that God chooses His words very carefully. When God calls Jesus the Bridegroom, He does that because there is a Bride. The church is the bride for a reason. John the baptist is a “friend of the bridegroom” for a reason. The guests are guests for a reason. the lord “returns from a wedding” for a reason. It is not innuendo to believe what God says. It is sad to think this is the state of Christianity today, that people refuse to take God at His word.

            Shame on you John. You need to repent of making so little of God’s Word Or perhaps you should tell Jesus “I AM the God of Abraham” was innuendo and He ought not take the bible so literally.

            And yes, God makes a distinction between His people. Surely you aren’t going to pretend that every person saved before the cross and “after the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled” is a part of the Body of Christ, the Bride, do you? You would have to do all kinds of bible twisting and deleting to make that fit. What do you do with those believers during the millennium?

            You falsely equate those distinctions with loving some more or less. You really need to believe what you read John. Did not Jesus say the least in the kingdom will be greater that John the Baptist? Is not the “heavenly city” that comes down called ” a bride”? It is for the church. Earthly Israel will live in Israel on earth, while the church (and abraham who was before the law) has the “city whose builder and maker is God” which was promised to Abraham. There will be 12 that rule the “12 tribes of Israel” during the millennium. Christ died for all of them, but there are distinctions. The bible will open up awesome and amazing truths to you once you start believing it more completely. Stop changing or “allegorizing” (aka twisting to fit your preconceived beliefs) the Scriptures that don’t fit. See what God shows you when you believe all of it.

            It’s worth a shot right? Maybe God is a much better communicator than you give Him credit for.

          • Hi Jason,

            This lie has so woven itself into your thinking that I’m not sure that I can unravel all of what you said. I just don’t have the time.

            First of all, there is no distinction between God’s people. Christ died for all the children of God throughout all of history, from Adam to the last person to accept Christ. To say otherwise is to deny Christ.

            Second, dispensationalism says that Christ was not sufficient for those saved after the tribulation begins. That they must have another sacrifice. That’s an abominable doctrine. Read Galatians. Was the Law profitable?

            Third, you have not proven that there are two raptures. You cannot – not without twisting the Bible. The best that you can do is innuendo.

            Fourth, I have proven without doubt that the rapture must occur AFTER the Tribulation. Jesus made no mention of a pre-tribulation rapture, and you would think that He would have. But, He did say that the Rapture was AFTER the tribulation.

            Fifth, Paul said that the rapture was after the resurrection and after the coming of the Antichrist. Would you disagree with Paul?

            Sixth… and yes, you HAVE used innuendo to prove your point. The Bible is clear that there is no pre-tribulation rapture.

            Jason, to hold so tightly to this lie is a sin. You must open your eyes and repent.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

          • Hi steve,

            And you base this accusation on… what?

            I quote scripture and make the obvious conclusion… and this somehow makes me an egomaniac?

            Steve, I expect false accusations to be better crafted than this.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little

  65. Hi John,
    If my memory serves me correctly, it was Darby and Schofield that perpetrated the pre-trib lies in the mid or late 1800’s (funny how Satan works his timetable..isn’t it?) I knew in my spirit since I was saved 40 years ago that the pre-trib rapture drivel was a big fat lie. I have listened to more preachers on tv, radio and the internet then I can count who have spewed this lie ever since I can remember. I held firm to my belief that “in this world, you shall have tribulation, but take heart…I have overcome the world.” My take on it that God showed me is this…if Almighty Yahweh himself did not spare his chosen children, the Israelites, from going through the plagues in Egypt (yet protected them)…then why would Christians get a “pass” when the next set of plagues hit in the book of Revelation? If the 3 Hebrew children were thrown into the furnace because they would not bow down to an idol and God allowed them to be thrown into the furnace (yet God protected them)…then why would Christians get a “pass” if they were threatened with death if they don’t bow down to the Anti-christ? And the last scenario God showed me…If Noah had to go through the flood and wasn’t taken out of the earth to avoid it…(yet God protected him and his family)…then why would Christians get a “pass” and fly out of here when things get rough? See a pattern here? Pattern: 1) plagues, furnace, flood 2) God’s people were protected in ALL instances by Yahweh himself.. and 3) no-one got taken away/raptured out/taken up… in ANY of these examples…they all went THROUGH them. God tells us in his word…”God shows us the former things as an EXAMPLE”. Emphasis on the word: EXAMPLE. “I am the Lord thy God…I do not change”. Nope…correct dearest certainly do not! And I’m glad for that.

  66. To cast more light on the rapture, tribulation, and the antichrist, I recommend reading the Kindle books of Chris White. He has a website with most of this information in youtube and mp3 formats.

    The following youtube presentation is the most important section of his new book and describes the concepts of the antichrist in the best exegesis I have come across in the past 40 years.

    • Hi Larry Cross,

      I have really enjoyed Chris White’s work, and was pleasantly surprised to find that he does NOT support a pretribulation rapture.

      Someone that clear in his thinking isn’t going to be caught in such an obvious lie.

      Thank you, Larry.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  67. John,I’ll refrain from jumping into the mud On the PreTrib Fiasco.. But there is something that we could use your help on,

    and its this

    Do you think what the USA did in Egypt Syria Iraq and the Ukraine the last couple of months. is a act of War ? Or just USA Hubris gone wild. I know you know a lot about Oil and how much Europe needs Russia. You seem to be the only guy out there that knows about these things. sorry to say it just seems like all the other guys Just Curb fit current events. Would love to hear your thoughts on these things,, I get the feeling you are or were a trader so you know what curb fitting means

  68. I have never believed in the pre rapture. It is a lie from the Harlot Church that has entrenched our churches. If you know Christ’s words you know the truth. Read the bible it does not lie. I will share a dream I had that I do believe is from the Lord Jesus. This dream happened about 1 year ago. Here go’s.

    I dreamed I was driving in my car late an night. I could see a few street lamps above although it was dark. I want to say it was about 3 in the morning. No one out. I really wanted to get to where I was going to get out of the dark. I can not tell you were I was going only that I wanted to get there. As I was driving the darkness fell. It was like a blanket of blackness that was feet away from my car, It was like fog but black, pitch black dark. I immediately was frightened and in my dream I said I must pray, as soon as I started to pray I felt someone put their arms around my, I felt safe and no more fear. The next thing I remember is that I am pulling up in a place that I felt to be wilderness, woods and I looked up and infront of me was a old wooded church that was very well lit. It stood out against the pitch black darkness. I parked my car and I just look at the front door. I knew somehow that there were people inside but I didn’t want to get out by myself, so I blew the horn. Out comes this lady she was in a nurses type uniform and her hair was perfect in a bun. She swung upon the door and was waiting for me to come in. I then get out of my car and as I was gathering my stuff I noticed that the passage door of my car had opened, I then looked up and it was Jesus getting out of my car. I could see his beard that was an auburn red and trimmed to perfection, he was in his garb as he what he wore when persecuted on the cross, I could see that he appeared much thinner and different that I had every imagined, I could see his face except his eyes, the shadow light of the church was shining on him all except for his eyes. He bent down and looked at me and then walked around my car and went into the church where the people were. Now I have had many months to think about that dream, this is what I feel that it meant. In my travels which are my trials on earth the darkness will decend, that darkness I took as the antichrists days on earth, when we feel the fear we are to pray to the Lord, he will give us comfort. He will lead us to a place of safety which will be in the wilderness where his church/people are. He will be with us during our whole journey and not to fear. Just as he was with me in my car and I didn’t known it, I never saw him until we had reached our destination and he manifested himself. I will also say this, in my dream the way I saw him it was a bit shocking to me to see him as I did. I just never though he would be that young and thin. I truly felt that he could walk beside his people and that they would never realize who he was, because they didn’t know his spirit. That is what I felt I the dream in the end. There is a lot here but I would say for people to get to know his spirit so you won’t be deceived.

  69. I have not heard one pre-trib teacher who says that the falling away is the rapture. I stopped reading your nonsense when I saw that.

  70. Your belief is that you don’t think they love God?
    That’s bang out of order!
    I know many who believe the pre trip who love the Lord.!
    I was one of them who believed the pre trib.
    I’ve had many blessings before and after this, So basically your saying i didn’t love the Lord when i believed this…
    You have given a false judgment. of those who believe this.
    The rapture is not the gospel might i add.

    • Um, Chris?

      Hang on there, buddy. I didn’t say all, I said many – not even most.

      Being tricked into believing a lie – as most pretribbers are – doesn’t mean that you do not love God.

      However, there are many who have rejected absolute proof.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  71. John,
    I would just like to say that I consider you my brother in Christ, even though we don’t agree on the timing of the rapture. My friend and yours, Steve Coerper made mention of this article on his show yesterday, and his replies to you concerning using the word ‘Lie” when it comes to the pre-trib rapture. I agree completely with Steve, and I echo his sentiments. It’s ok for born again believers to disagree about rapture timing, and not ok to say that their brother or sister is lying when their rapture timing view is different. I have argued my reasons for believing that the rapture happens before God’s wrath is poured out on the wicked, and I believe there is ample scriptural proof for it. We know that we are not appointed to God’s wrath, and neither was Lot or Noah, which were referred to by Jesus when it came to a comparison of the last days and time of great tribulation. There is so much more I could say, but I know I don’t have the amount of space in this comment to do it. God bless you John, and keep your focus on Jesus!

    • Hi Kevin,

      I so very much wish that I could agree with you, but I cannot. The Pretribulation Rapture Theory is a lie created by the father of lies, Satan. And, it is achieving its purpose in keeping you from preparing for the days ahead.

      Satan has you right where he wants you, and you don’t know it.

      Furthermore, the fact that you dare to say that Jesus is wrong is amazing to me!

      How dare ANYONE claim that Jesus is wrong!

      Jesus said that the Tribulation would come BEFORE the rapture, and you dare to disagree. I am shocked that anyone would treat the author of our eternal salvation in such a way.

      I’m sorry, Kevin, but you are lying to yourself and to everyone else when you say that the rapture comes before the Tribulation. The words of Jesus Himself stand in accusation of you.

      How can you do such a thing? Amazing.

      Kevin, you must repent of this sin, before it is too late. I am begging you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  72. I respectfully submit the following argument to those that believe that the rapture (thief in the night) and the return of the King in Glory are two separate events.

    First, The bible speaks of one return, not two. With all the details provided in the new testament for believers, if there were two returns, wouldn’t it mention it?

    Second, and more importantly, in Acts 1:11 when Christ ascends in a cloud, the two angels tell the disciples, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

    Either the angels proclaim this to the disciples as men, or as the head of the church for all believers.

    If as the head of the church, then the message is plain for all believers. He will come back as you see him leave, in glory and a cloud, which is the exact description given by Jesus himself in Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, as well as Rev 14:14 at the seventh trumpet.

    If as men, then knowing that the disciples will be dead, they spoke personally to them. And as we well know, the dead in Christ precede us to meet the Lord in the air. Same result. Same event.

    Whether the rapture is being whisked away and simply being changed into our incorruptible form and following Christ around on earth as He vanquishes the antichrist at Armageddon is immaterial. There is one return.

    For those that still feel that the thief in the night is a separate event, please re read the next verse, “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.”

  73. In response to your article I would like to point out some omission of several Scriptures that go against your stated position. Also The LORD is quite specific in HIS use of words, whereas we are rather lax. It has to be clearly understood that there are two different times of arrival of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, once in the air and the second when HE touches down on the Mount of Olives. So with that said here are the overlooked Scriptures.

    Rapture (Caught up)

    Luke 21:34-36

    What would we need to escape if we are going through the Tribulation (the pouring out of wrath)?

    1Th 4:15 -17

    Here we meet the LORD in the air, which is contrary to the Day of the LORD when HE will set foot on the Earth.

    1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain, salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    Okay, so now we have another contradiction, we are not appointed unto wrath and yet that is exactly what the Tribulation period is, GOD’s wrath being poured out starting with Chapter 5 of Revelations.

    2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth, will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the spirit of his mouth, and will destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    So, here, who will be taken out of the way so the man of sin, that wicked, can be revealed? It is not the HOLY GHOST, WHO will be here through the Tribulation period empowering the 144,000 witnesses preaching to those who have not heard the Gospel. So who else is on this Earth that can hold back the anti-Christ?

    Again. GOD does not contradict HIMSELF, we have a problem running HIS WORD through our grey matter. All Scripture has to be taken together and really studied to be understood in the context presented.

    In HIS service.
    Steven Jones

    • Hi Steven Jones,

      So, you think that this proves Jesus wrong when He said this:

      Immediately after the tribulation of those days … And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. – Matthew 24:29-31

      And here:

      But in those days, after that tribulation, … And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. – Mark 13:24-27

      You would DARE to call Jesus wrong?


      And, when Paul says that the Resurrection comes at the same time as the Rapture… Paul is wrong too?

      Is Paul also wrong when he says that the Antichrist must come BEFORE the Rapture?

      Steven, for you to claim that these verses are lies… (and yes, that is what you are doing) …you are asking us to choose between you and the Bible. One of you is lying.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  74. Where do you place the marriage supper of the Lamb? Who populates the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ?

    • Hi Tony May,

      Why do we need to ‘place the marriage supper of the Lamb’?

      As for who populates the Earth during the thousand year reign of Christ… well, where does it say that there are no survivors of the Tribulation of the Antichrist and the Wrath of God?

      If you could show me, I’d appreciate it.

      Thank you, Tony.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  75. John,
    This is a most important issue for me and I agree totally with your article. So much that I wanted to copy it for a friend who does not use computer. Although you accommodate many types of transmission, you do not have a
    print button. In order to print this article I had to print 104 pages including all the comments. There are many of these articles I would like to share, most require a hard copy. I will not attempt this again as it is too expensive. Would you please consider a print function?

    Thank you for your Godly reading of the Word and your letters.

  76. For years I was a pre triber but as we get deeper into the end times and Daniels 70th week looms larger I have been restudying the scriptures causing my position on the rapture to move further out. I guess I am now a mid triber. I believe we will be subject to Satan’s wrath during the first 1260 days but not God’s wrath during the second 1260 days. I believe your statement based on Matthew 24:29-31 that “the Tribulation Must Come Before The Rapture” is lacking the “proof” you seem to claim. I read these scriptures as portraying the second coming. “And he shall send his angles . . . , and they shall gather together his elect (the Jews who have survived the tribulation) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Where is the post trib rapture in these two verses? Please enlighten me.

    • Hi John Givens,

      It is so good to see that you are studying these things for yourself.

      Now, did you notice that there was no mention of a Pretribulation Rapture in Matthew 24 or Mark 13?

      Jesus only talks about one AFTER the tribulation.

      Furthermore, remember the parables in Matthew 13. At the end of the age (aionos) the angels go forth and reap the kingdom of God. This is AFTER the Tribulation.

      Remember also that there is only one resurrection, and Paul speaks of it as happening BEFORE the Rapture.

      You can’t have it both ways.

      Thank you, John.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  77. Your invitation to comment on this article invites an in-depth analysis. I have posted a refutation of your points on my blog. Here’s the thing, even in places where you are correct it does not follow that your conclusions are the only ones that apply. Sometimes you have missed one word, and that one word makes all the difference!

    You have failed to harmonize the whole bible, but are picking-and-choosing your verses.

    • Hi Dan Knezacek,

      I’m so sorry to see you caught in such a lie. It truly grieves me to see this.

      When Jesus described the Last Days, He made no mention of a pretribulation rapture and spoke of the rapture after the tribulation.

      Are you calling Jesus a liar?

      Paul spoke in Corinthians and Thessalonians that ALL those who were dead in Christ would be resurrected before the Rapture.

      Are you calling Paul a liar?

      When Paul spoke of the coming of the Antichrist before the rapture, are you calling Paul a liar here as well?

      When Jesus spoke in Luke 21:36 to pray to be found worthy to escape the tribulation… are you actually saying that we must pray to be included in the Rapture? When Jesus said that ALL who are in Christ will be in the Rapture?

      Dan, you have chosen a lie, over the truth. The Bible is full of examples of what happens when people make such a choice.

      Please, repent before it is too late.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  78. I know you said it is your “suspicion”, However only God knows one’s heart.
    Just remember people do have changed minds over this topic and you have put a very good article together covering this might i add.!
    The only problem i have in this with what you said and from how i see is that it is not our job to judge one’s heart.
    Slight criticism i know, But to the pre tribs this would sound very offensive and i think if you were to try and shed more light on this topic to them like you will to some, it would be best to leave that mentioned above out because im sure many would read your article and have a changed mind and re look into what they believe to be true.
    Hope you understand what im saying?
    Yours in Christ.


  79. I also believe in eternal security and to be clear of the “Works” mentioned in the bible are of that of the Jews.
    We follow the royal law which is the love of Christ in us manifesting through the Holy Spirit in us to do good deeds which is the work of God for us to produce out.
    I believe our sins are forgiven!
    However he gave us the power to over come any sin which God layes on our heart is sin.
    Knowing we will always sin and its forgiven, there is no excuse to continue in sin which God layes on our hearts to be sin, that would be grieving the Holy Ghost.
    Im not saying you promote sin or anything but i hope you believe in conversion of a believer with a repented heart of sin in ones life?
    That is not works but conviction.
    Also Faith is dead if there is no evidence of it in ones life.
    Im not talking salvation here im talking in this physical life of a changed life of a believer, The only way to tell if one is of God is if they have the love of Christ in them by there good deeds out of love they have for one another and a confession of faith.
    Many confuse the letter of James to be work based but its not, Its instruction to every believer “Child of God” In how we “Should” be.
    He that doeth righteous is righteous.
    Yes we have the righteousness of Christ but “By there fruits ye shall know them.
    Like i say, nothing personal, Im not saying you live a bad life, I fall short.
    All im saying is we are all Gods children if we believe, Falling from grace is of those trusting in works “Law” to save them rather than the finished work as you know!
    But have you ever had that conviction of sin experience where you hate what you did do?
    Or was it more natural knowing we live in a satanic world that gives us the sin in our life so it was more of a choice not to do those things you did before?
    Eieither way, Most “easy believism” Teachers think they can just sit back and do nothing!
    That just believing on a name is enough.
    I hope you see what important saying, Just because people repent of sin, Doesn’t mean they are not saved.

  80. John,

    Lots of mileage on this post aye?

    I grew up in central new york where another lie is celebrated every year, the Hill Cumorah Pagent, and everything that goes with that.

    Bottom line…”you shall not add to the words from this book”….And if any man shall take away from the words of this prophesy..”. Rev 22:18-19

    Nice and simple. Read and heed the simple words.

    People. Keep open contrite hearts and spirits washed in the word and daily prayer and holding every person, teaching and fad up to the inspired Word of God. Without that you might not make the cut on judgement day. There is no do over in these last of days. There would no fight or deception letting the author of lies rule this post. There should be 130 Amens, not bickering over theology.

    Let’s review
    1. Pray ….. or He’ll say I never knew you
    2. Daily reading and research to know lies from the Truth
    3. Get out of debt
    4. Bullets, beans, bandaids, precious metals and water to survive the coming days. For there comes a day when no one will be able to work.

    In His service for eternity


  81. Isaiah 65:17-25 speaks of children being born after the earth is reconstructed for the thousand year reign. The children will die in their hundredth year if they are still cursed sinners (not accepting Christ as savior). Would you place the marriage supper before or after this on a timeline?

  82. “Seriously, folks. If I tell you something, and the Bible disagrees with me… well, I’m wrong. It’s that simple.
    The Bible is ALWAYS right. Always.”

    AMEN!!!! John Little (Never been called Little John before, have ya?!)
    Anyway – I LOVE YOU FOR THIS MAN!!! That you’re out there WRITTING/SPEAKING the “TRUTH”!!!!!!! And NOT beating around the bush about it!!!
    Getting the prophesies wrong is one thing! But out LIEING and TWISTING G-ds Word/s is quite another!!!

    Get Em Brother!!!
    Blessings and Shalom!

  83. And let’s not forget the distinction between the tribulation and the Day of God[’s Wrath]. They aren’t tge same thing. The Scriptures say distinctly that we are not appointed to God’s Wrath, but they don’t make the same promise regarding tribulation.

  84. I know that many say that the whole argument of the rapture is not important, and that the primary focus should be on salvation. I agree…. to a point.

    If end-times prophecies were not important enough to make sure we get it right, why is the most prophesied about event in the bible?

    If it wasn’t important for us to know what will happen and when, why did Jesus speak of it, and make sure that His words were included in three of the gospels?

    If it wasn’t important for us to get it right, why did God give John the visions in Revelations?

    If it isn’t important for us to know and prepare ourselves, then why does this subject get the most vitreous responses? I have witnessed and been the subject of such emotional outbursts from pre-trib proponents in otherwise civil, biblical discussions, that I cannot help but wonder what is behind it? People get mad and take an almost personal offense when the truth is revealed. Why is it that this one subject elicits such responses? There is a spirit surrounding this issue that prevents many from seeking the truth of it.

    Why IS it important? Because for 1260 days, the antichrist will be granted to the power to make war against the saints, and to overcome them. And while, our calling is not to prevail against his attacks or to reclaim our country or our world from him (that is done by Christ, Himself), it is to witness to the lost, to help and shelter those in persecution, and be ready to do God’s bidding. It is hard to do that when the church isn’t ready, is divided, or worse, dead from starvation, persecution, or simple blindness.

  85. Isaiah 26:19-21 – 19 But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20 Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21 See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer.
    Why is God hiding these people while His wrath comes upon the earth? He is protecting His Bride from His wrath.
    1 Thessalonians 1:9-11 says, “Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come.”

    1 Thessalonians 5:9 – For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
    Also, Jesus knows that the anti-Christ will be so convincing, that if we are here on the earth during the trib, we would all be deceived and we’d lose our salvation. We would also be forced to take the mark of the beast and we would lose our salvation. Why would God make all the Christians damned? Is this what God wants for His chosen people? That would not be fair.
    God’s wrath is going to fall upon the unsaved (the “inhabitants of the earth”).Christians are not citizens of earth, we are citizens of Heaven.
    Philippians 3:20-21 – 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

    • Hi Brett Creamer,

      You dance about this subject, but you do not offer any proof of a pretribulation rapture. Without proof, what you have is a lie.

      This deception that you hold so tenderly in your hands is a lie, and you have chosen to believe that it is the truth.

      Show me in the Bible where a pretribulation rapture is clearly stated. CLEARLY.

      If I told you about salvation by works, you would show me verses that clearly show salvation by grace and faith.

      So, show me the same level of evidence.

      You can’t.

      Brett, twisting the precious words of God, and preaching it is a sin. You must repent.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • I am twisting His Word and I must repent? I found a scripture that shows an event that has not happened yet (Is. 26), but you did not discuss that.

        Isaiah 26:19-21 – 19 But YOUR DEAD WILL LIVE; their BODIES WILL RISE. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20 GO, my people, ENTER YOUR ROOMS and shut the doors behind you; HIDE YOURSELVES for a little while UNTIL HIS WRATH HAS PASSED by. 21 See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins.

        It says God raises His people, they go to their rooms (same rooms that Jesus has created for us – John 14:1-3), to not see His wrath, THEN God comes out of His dwelling place to punish. To make it clearer, the scripture says we go in, He goes out, punishment comes.

        If this is supposedly taking place at the end of days when we come back with the Lord, why would we go hide while He brings wrath? According to scripture, we don’t come back to hide, we come back to fight alongside of Him.

        Rev 19:14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean

        Clearly stated?

        1 Thess. 4:13-18 …will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever

        Matt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

        • Hi Brett Creamer,

          Yes, you ARE twisting the words of God. And yes, you MUST repent. This is a grave sin.

          When you offer up Isaiah 26:19-21 as evidence, there is no way that you can see it as evidence, unless it is in support of a foundational verse. Yes, it talks about a resurrection. Yes it talks tribulation. But, when you read the entire chapter, it is easy to see how you are taking it out of context.

          So, where is this foundational verse for the pre-tribulation rapture?

          You offered 1 Thess. 4:13-18, but that just says that the rapture must happen AFTER the resurrection. It’s a great passage, and I use it often. But, it can only talk about a POST-tribulation rapture, because that is when the Lord returns. So, 1 Thess. 4:13-18 cannot be your ‘foundational verse’ for a pretribulation rapture.

          You offer Matt 24:40-41, but that’s not foundational because it doesn’t talk about a pretribulation rapture.

          Worse, you ignored what Jesus said here in the same chapter:

          29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days… [Jesus describes a series of events and then says…]

          31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

          That is the Rapture, and it is AFTER the tribulation.

          Where is your foundational verse for a pretribulation rapture? I don’t see it anywhere.

          Furthermore, the fact that you would dare to quote Matthew 24:40-41 and then ignore the words of Jesus in verse 29, upsets me greatly. I do not know how this can be anything but deliberate. And, if it is deliberate, it is incredibly sinful. To deliberately twist the words of God is an amazing abomination to me. If this is NOT deliberate, you are in great need of instruction.

          Whatever the case, you MUST reconsider your position and repent. This lie will destroy you.

          Will you repent, Brett?

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

    • After the tribulation, that would last for 42 month of the AC reign, there are still 75 days left. Read…

      Dan 12:7
      Dan 12:11
      Dan 12:12

      After the tribulation follows God’s wrath.. Starting with vial one from Rev 16, leading to the fall of Babylon verse:
      10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

      Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
      9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
      10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of יהוה, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (angels and Jesus – no people)
      13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Master from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. (People will still die after the tribulation and they Blessed if they die in Jesus)

      Then follows the reaping of the harvest…

      Then will be Jesus’s coming

  86. As if John had not given enough ABSOLUTE PROOF already that a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Belief is Misguided and Unfounded, here is more:

    Matthew 24:15-31
    15 “So when you (CHRISTIANS) see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader (CHRISTIANS) understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight (CHRISTIANS) will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

    NOW! If there had been some kind of Pe-Tribulation Rapture —– then why would Jesus bother telling the Apostles to “RUN” when they see the “Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place”?! Of course Jesus’s Apostles are now DEAD and so to whom was Jesus really speaking?!

    Answer: YOU! Christians!
    Jesus OBVIOUSLY knew that the CHRISTIANS would be HERE ON EARTH when the AC set’s himself up in the TEMPLE…. and said that when you see this happen you need to RUN, FLEE, HIDE AWAY in the MOUNTAINS…..

    22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one (CHRISTIANS INCLUDED) would survive, but for the sake of the elect (CHRISTIANS INCLUDED) those days will be shortened.

    NOW! If the ELECT have been raptured —- then why is Jesus concerned with SHORTENING those days (The TRIBULATION) for the ELECT?!!!!

    Answer: The TRIBULATION is cut short by his return because the ELECT are SUFFERING TERRIBLY!!! It is because the ELECT are being beheaded and destroyed that he returns to put an end to the Suffering.

    23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

    26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

    29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

    30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth (CHRISTIANS INCLUDED) will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

    People! If the Rapture was Pre-Tribulation — then you could erase Matthew 24 from your Bibles. Why would Jesus waste his time telling the Apostles what they should do in the Tribulation?! Why wouldn’t he have just stated:
    Oh, don’t worry about it, you won’t be here for that!!!!




  87. John Little,
    Though I myself may see the rapture as happening at the last trump, I do not see the condemnation of Pretribbers as a Christian response to their teaching. There are actually two groups of pretribbers out there, which one group is ill prepared. Most of them being stuck in dead churches, and are merely dictating the teachings of their leaders. As Leonard Ravenhill said, they are looking to be “raptured from responsibility” Then there are those who are wide awake, and making ready for his imminent return. This is what the Post and mid tribbers lack. The imminency that forces them to act NOW. In condemning all Pre-tribbers, you are merely lumping the good with the bad, and creating warfare in the church. In this warfare, Satan is always the winner as brothers and sisters in Christ are divided.

    With that, May the Lord rebuke you for promoting this warfare in the church. Believing in the pre-tribulation rapture is not a sin, and many saints have died believing in it. In condemning those who hold that position today, you are condemning them also, and the Holy Spirit in them. The Lord has used this belief, to make each successive generation repent and be ready for his imminent coming, until the time that those things which were sealed are to be revealed. Did God lie, when he told Daniel and John to “seal up the words of this prophecy”? That is what you are implying.

    I will be praying for you.

    • Hi David H.,

      Thank you for that admonition, David. I appreciate it, and am not being sarcastic when I say that.

      However, I do disagree with you on this, because in these end times, I have reluctantly come to believe that the Pretribulation Rapture Lie is actually heresy. And, this observation was crystalized when John MacArthur claimed that you could take the Mark of the Beast and still go to heaven.

      I wrote about it here:

      Having said that, I acknowledge your point that these people that hold to this lie are doing so out of ignorance. But, there is a limit to using ‘ignorance’, and I believe that the limit is reached when a pretribber is confronted with the scriptural truth, and the truth is rejected.

      However, I am not saying that pretribbers aren’t saved. If you have read my other writings on this issue, you will see my heart towards our deceived brothers and sisters.

      Unfortunately, we are running out of time for the gently-gently method, if we are to fulfill our duty towards God in sounding this last minute warning.

      Thank you, David. I will do my best to take your words to heart.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John,
        What I believe that perhaps you, and other prophecy sites/experts are missing is the concept of the Promise of unity. (John 17, Ephesians 4) Paul writes, “we all know in part, and prophecy in part, but when the perfect comes The partial will pass away.” (1 Cor. 13:9-10) Yes there is a false ecumenical movement, but there is also the true church coming together as the Body of Christ. This is and has always been an end time teaching. If you are going to cut off true believers from the pretrib rapture side, as you have done here, you are merely cutting your own self, and the Body of Christ.

        I believe, in finding a consensus among believers, and not compromise or condemnation.

        Please consider this, I believe we all will be raptured before the final week of Daniel 9:27 occurs. But the judgement and tribulation will have begun years before them, and this judgment is of the church (1 Peter4:17). In this respect, I think the Pre-trib rapture believers are holding to a partially correct truth, while the true Pre wrather’s are also holding to a partially correct truth. When they come together, is when perfect understanding comes about. A consensus, which brings unity.

        There are forces at work who are trying to deny that there will be a final week for Israel (Not sure what your opinion on this matter), and there are forces in Both sides that have placed all of the tribulation/ great tribulation into that final week of Daniel erroneously. This final week does not involve the church, so much as it does Israel alone, being rescued by their Messiah, and is only touched on in revelation. Not enough room to get more detailed on this, as I have one more point.

        I too have admonished John MacArthur both publically and privately for his erroneous teaching. As Learned as he is, he is blind to truth. Our attitude should always be that of David in Psalm 139: 6,17,18

        I appreciate your forthright and humble reply. God Bless

        • Hi David H.,

          I agree with much of what you say, and can only respond with what the Lord said to Ezekiel:

          But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. – Ezekiel 33:6

          Christians are using the Pretribulation Rapture Lie as an excuse to not prepare for disaster. This is abominable, and I am required by God to do everything in my power to warn our brothers and sisters of their peril.

          And, I’m afraid that God does not ask us to be in unity with spiritual deception. For we are called to admonish wayward brothers and sisters…

          And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. – Ephesians 5:11

          The Pretribulation Rapture Lie is truly a work of great spiritual darkness.

          Thank you, David.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • And I will close, by saying pretribbers are holding a partial truth, as are those who teach a mid or post trib in the final week do. Not all pretribbers are Ill prepared, and neither are all mid and post tribbers fully prepared…That is the real lie of the devil. You will not die if you eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, instead you can be all knowing like God….Pride, the original sin.

  88. This is more simple an answer than one would assume.

    Where on an ancient Hebrew calendar is there 1260 days starting on Feast of Trumpets and 1290 days ending on Feast of Tabernacles where the 30 days of Adar is added in the 2nd half. Thus 2014 and 2060 are the only two 7 year periods I personally could find.

    This is based on 86 not 87 moons.

    Hopefully this will help you “Date setters”. Personally I believe in date setting in as much as Jesus came exactly to the day 173,880 days or 483 years from the time of the issuance to rebuild the temple as professed by Daniel. 62 and 7 weeks given until the messiah.

    • Hi M hart,

      I’m afraid that 2060 sits well outside the generational clock set by our Lord in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. The prophecy clock started ticking on June 7th, 1967. And, 2014… not enough time.

      Thank you, M. I agree with you that date-setting is an ‘iffy’ business.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  89. I was a bit shocked at the way you attacked me, a fellow Christian for bringing up scripture…. Even if I was wrong, you acted in an inappropriate way. You might want to read:

    2 Timothy 2:24-25 – 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

    You might think you are doing God’s work by insulting, attacking and dividing, but you are fighting the Word of God as shown above.

    The scriptures show that we will see people like in you the end days:

    2 Tim 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

    • Hi Brett Creamer,

      I’m sorry that you took my words as a personal attack. That was not my intention, so consider this to be an apology for any insult.

      However, that does not change the fact that you are sinning when you twist the words of God.

      I cannot tell whether this sin is intentional, or not. But, it is still sin, and you MUST repent.

      Thank you, Brett.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  90. thank you for your insights and publication of biblical doctrine. since i was a child reading my Bible I have not been able to understand where this pre trib rapture nonsense was coming from. Some very respected pastors I heard were telling me this, so like the Bereans I would go home and search the scriptures… I still saw that plainly even Jesus himself said ‘after these things’ the end would come. Paul affirmed this, and revelation though not clear did not indicate any different order. the scripture is full of tribulation for Christians in Jesus time and the early church tribulation continued. Today I suspect that the suffering church would not feel they will be spared as many have lost their lives, homes families etc. in horrible ways. we are in fact PROMISED that many will suffer in Jesus’ name. there will not be 2 comings, one in secret and one later…there will be only one and every eye will see him. If by rapture people mean we will be taken up with Jesus at that time I believe that, if they mean before harm comes to us that is not scriptural and not guaranteed. we are not ‘destined for his wrath’ but God has protected his people in the midst of chaos many times. Pastor Steven Anderson has a very interesting study of the book of Revelation verse by verse and chapter by chapter on YouTube. while I do not agree with every word he says, he makes very clear the false and unbiblical nature of the pre trib theory, with complete discussion (in context) of the scriptures used to support this theory. Birds do indeed ‘peck at the best fruit’ so we will take flack for telling the truth, whereas those who tell lies to’ tickle the ears’ of people seeking comfort will rake in the attention and dollars. Please keep standing for Biblical truth and preparation, put on the whole armor of God and be strong for Jesus’ and true believers’ sake. thank you again. I am happy to know I am not alone

    • Hi wendy,

      That was a well-written comment. Thank you for that.

      Pastor Anderson has some exceptional materials, and have used them often. (Although, I too differ with him at various points.)

      It’s good to see a sister with her eyes open. My prayer is that you will be prepared for what comes.

      Thank you, Wendy. God bless you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  91. Hi John,

    This article was great. I was a “Hal Lindsey pre-tribber” for years, but the on going suffering, torture and death of Christians was always a nagging thought. Why were they suffering so while I’m sitting comfortably believing in a rapture should the tribulation begin in my lifetime. (which it apparently has.).

    I also thought about the parable of the workers. One works all day and another for five minutes, and they both get paid the same. So how is it that God would save people during the tribulation and make them suffer while other Christians had been taken out of suffering. So what do we say to those Christians that come to believe during the tribulation……..SORRY, YOU WERE LATE. NOW YOU HAVE TO SUFFER. Doesn’t make sense to me.

  92. -John Thanks for your insight. I thought I’d chime in about a few things I’ve been reading in the comments. With the predestination thing i think its helpful to remember that God is outside of time completely. This makes free will and us also being chosen before creation possible. Its so easy to get stuck on verses when we naturally think of things within the constraint of time. For example their may be no apparent gap of time on earth between the harpazo and the second coming but heaven is not constrained to tho those laws. A person who died 1000 years ago and a person who is “caught up” may very well arrive at the throne of God at the same time. I’ve been a little loose with my words and i hope i didn’t misrepresent the word. I’m not the greatest with words. Just trying to stretch our minds a bit.

    • Hi James,

      I know exactly what you are talking about. We are three dimensional beings moving through a fourth dimension. God is outside of all of that.

      God is the creator of dimensions and not constrained by such trifles as time.

      Well said, James. Thank you!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  93. Hello John,
    First, I would like to thank you for your love and desire to share the gospel and encourage everyone to be sound in the faith. I am a Christ follower-Sovereign Grace; solo scriptura & have been described as a “Berean”.
    My hearts desire is for my life to be completely defined by Christ in all I say & do.

    I am fascinated with your knowledge of scripture and your God-given zeal. I am very grateful for the wisdom I have been able to obtain through the Holy Spirit and am continually desiring to learn more and more. I am sure what I know and understand is in pale comparison to what many who are older in the faith know but here are my questions for you to prayerfully consider & respond to….

    (I am not 100% certain in my understanding of when the “Harpazo” will take place; I have read lots of interesting thoughts of your interpretations of the context of scriptures and I’ve heard lots of sound arguments regarding the pre-tribulation “Harpazo”. Either way, I feel like we are doing what we can to be prepared, more kingdom focused than ever while discerning the times, more sensitive to His leading on making disciples.)
    I read through most of the beginning comments, not all. Not sure if you already discussed this or not- but have you considered: 2Thessalonians 2:5-8.
    ~Who is the Restrainer? The Holy Spirit. Where does the Holy Spirit live? In His believers. If the Restrainer is taken “out of the way” THEN the man of lawlessness( Daniel 2 &7); that would mean either we are taken away because He indwells within us OR He leaves us. Correct? And we know the latter could not happen because of Deut 31:6. ~

    Also, I am respectfully wondering if you have given thought to/ truly studied in the Greek the meaning of these words listed below this- how they are contextually placed throughout the Scriptures to lead you to your understanding of how the End times will play out / before you became so steadfast in you post trib view?
    (2Cor 12; Acts 8:26-39; 1Thess 1:10; 1Thess 4:13-18; 1Thess 5:35; 2Thess 2:1-7; 1Cor 15:50-52; 2Cor 12:2-3; Jude 1:22-23; Rev 3:10)
    ***WORDS: Wrath (“Orgay”); Apostasy (“apostasia”); caught up(“harpazo” or “arpazo”).
    Thank you & God Bless 🙂

    • Hi Amanda,

      Thank you for that comment, and I very much appreciate your desire to get this right.

      I actually addressed this point in the article that I just published:

      The problem is that people think that the ‘taking out of the way’ is the same as ‘taking out of the World’. This is NOT the same.

      Furthermore, as we have quenched the Spirit, it is clear to me that the Holy Spirit has left our churches, giving Satan free reign.

      I have looked at the Greek that you refer to. The Apostasia has no connection to Harpazo.

      Thank you, Amanda. Please prepare for extremely difficult times.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  94. So sorry…. forgive me- Just now actually read down through this article that you wrote. I had only read through the recent one that said you got a lot of comments regarding the rapture so I went straight to the comments and does not read what you had written that caused such a blowup in them I see you have referenced some of the Greek words I questioned about. Overlook that please! Since I know you have researched the Greek- curious–have you also searched through out the scriptures to compare how some of those ‘same’ words in English were used in the Greek & difference in meaning of context?
    Another one I heard that I’d like your scriptural view on: in regards to pre-tribulation rapture –that the very day the Antichrist signs the peace treaty– we will be able to calculate the exact day of the Lords coming because it is clearly written in scripture how long each period will last (the day of the Lord- 1,007) thus has to be pretrib because “no man knows the day or hour.” ??
    Thank you & God bless you!

  95. Thanks John, you hit the bulls eye. I believed the pre trib lie for years until I placed a question mark in 2010 above Mathew 24:29. About a year later I embarked on a study to determine the truth regarding the pre trib (lie) and I discovered I had been lied to by my pastors. Most of the church believes this lie. I don’t see how anyone that reads these scriptures could believe in a pre trib rapture. Thanks for tackling the tough subjects and telling the truth!

  96. Shalom John. I have just read that there is to be a “Left Behind” movie, set to be released this coming October. As if the books were not effective enough, now add all those that the movie will no doubt deceive. “The Prince of the Power of the Air.” Sadly, many, many of those that have accepted this myth will realize too late that they have indeed been deceived.

    Current events from around the globe seem to be in alignment with the ancient prophecies. Interesting times indeed.

    I found this documentary to be very interesting, have you seen it? Ovi ha kora, (The Other Side of the Cross) by Yakov Damkani?

    • Shalom u’Vrecha, ray!

      I saw an advertisement for the new ‘Left Behind’ movie. When a Bible doctrine is promoted by Hollywood, you KNOW that there’s something wrong with it.

      Seriously? Nick Cage in a ‘christian’ movie?

      I smell a RAT!

      When I clicked your YouTube link, I wasn’t sure what I would find. That was an incredible movie. And, it really illustrates how far Israel has come in recognizing Yeshua as their Lord and Savior. And, it made me so very homesick. There were some ambiguous elements to the movie, but it seemed like a good one to me.

      Thank you for that link, Ray. That was great.


      John Little

  97. I once believed in a pre trib rapture until I studied the scriptures and Matthew 24 indeed helped me to see that a post trib rapture is what will take place. You wrote about how the pre tribulationists say that Gods wrath won’t be poured out on his people and it seems you have disputed this ( please correct me if I’m wrong). I do have a problem with you disputing this. The Word clearly says Iin 1 Thessalonians 1:10 ” And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus which delivered us from the wrath to come”. This scripture clearly states that God willsomehow deliver us from His wrath, which He will pour out upon the unbelievers. Also “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ” ( 1Thess 5:9) this text reveals that is not Gods intention for His people to suffer His wrath. Sure we will suffer tribulation as Jesus said we would but not His wrath. Just saying.

    • Hi alana clutterbuck,

      I’m so glad that you have figured this out.

      Actually, I do NOT believe that God’s wrath will be poured out on ANY of His people. No, I was just saying that the Pretribbers use God’s Wrath to prove a pre-trib rapture. The interesting thing is that God’s wrath comes AFTER the tribulation.

      Sorry about the confusion, Alana.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  98. I wrote on here earlier and asked a few questions…..but I see that my words that are on the post ARE NOT MINE. Something is wrong here, not sure what yet but I am going to figure something out.

  99. Praise God for the truth, thank you, thank you.

    Anyone with half a brain and asks the God of the Bible to open the Bible to them will know more about the Bible than 90% of the preachers.
    It started with a Jesuit lie, Jesuit’s hate the Hebrews and the Commandments of God.
    Then along came Nelson Darby, he came up with a long story started by some Scottish girl having a vision (probably demonic) and Darby, seeing monetary potential in this story accentuated the story and with the help of Scofield (dispensationalism) they made lots of money and so the church (being always money hungry) carried on the story.
    Example, John Hagee will tell you he has studied the Bible for over 50 years and he is an authority on the Bible, then he will tell you, “imminent rapture”, and sell another few million books, heard it from him for over 20 years, the fires of hell will reach him soon, believe me! One big sick joke or lie.
    And the stupid Christians believe them.
    Sin your heart out, your saved, raptured, then God will bash the Jews!
    Straight out Hebrew hatred, straight out of the Catholic church and of Lucifer their god!
    Believers, read the Bible truth, stop listening to preachers, they will take you straight to hell.
    Worship the Hebrew God and not the Greek gods of Christianity that Constantine changed the names in 325AD.
    God laws still stand, if you want to break them intentionally the consequences are a hell fire for all eternity (Hebrews 10).
    Search for a Messianic web site and learn the Biblical truth.
    If you search with a righteous truth then the God of the Bible will lead you to the truth.

    Bless the truth seekers.

  100. I’m both nodding my head in agreement and shaking it in amazement at the vitriol anger, accusation and uncouthness represented in these comments. Shame on many of you! May the Lord have mercy on you for acting so spiteful towards people who dont agree or are unclear (and or deceived) because of their denominational teachings.

    John Little – I value what you shared, but you decided to take shots and punches to affect many of your readers instead of allowing the HS to act. Instead of sharing the case, you appear to have made it personal, you attacked, you called names. I dont get it.

    You’re message is a serious one – don’t pollute it with your own sin. Change, be different, represent truth always and in all things Love.

    I look forward to reading again.

  101. Shalom again John.

    I have been blessed to spend some time in The Land also. And yes! there are far more believers in Yeshua, even amongst the Ultra Orthodox and Charedim than is generally known. Some have different understandings than we might, but there is a movement that is growing exponentially. Although for obvious reasons many have yet to publicly voice their belief in Yeshua. Plus there is a growing body of academics, archaeologists, and rabbis that are at least looking to re-examine whom Yeshua was/is.

    I thought you might find the documentary interesting, I did too. He voiced some things that I had not considered before either. It is thought provoking, but more than that it has provoked me to return to the Scripture and research more into the priestly courses, among other things.

    Yeah, I know that gut wrenching sickness you mean. Every visit makes it harder and harder to leave The Land. Since you enjoyed the last documentary, here is a little short one.

    Shalom u,vrachot gam lecha.

  102. “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. – Revelation 12:13-14”

    You have used this passage in a prophecy to support your statements. You need to understand the prophecy before you take a statement out of it and apply it to support your statements. This portion of scripture you quoted is contained in the 1260 day prophecy. Please study the prophecy before extracting portions of it to support your statements.

    You are correct that the current believe in the rapture is a lie.

    God be with you in your endeavors’.

    • Hi eldon smith,

      I’m sorry, but I’ll hafta disagree with you there. You’re saying that the war in heaven has already happened, that the dragon has already been cast down. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t seem to fit with what the Bible teaches.

      And Eldon, since you pointed me to a Seventh Day Adventist website, I have a question:

      Is Michael the Archangel God? – Equal with God the Father?

      I’ve heard it said that the SDA church believes that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, and I’ve never had anyone answer that question for me.

      Thank you, Eldon.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  103. Many propose who they imagine “the Restrainer” to be. In context in 2 Thess 2:7
    the one who restrains is the same as “the man of sin” and “son of perdition” mentioned earlier in the passage. It is also the Wicked (one) mentioned in verse 8. It is not sin or evil that is being “restrained” or suppressed, but it is truth that has been suppressed in religion; including false translation of the bible and key passages in it. The man of sin is inherently religious as it is evident from verses 3 and 4, which describes one who commits the abomination of desolation.

    2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

    2 Thess 2 is a parallel passage to Romans 1:18-2:11. They both address the same topics. These are some of the most severe warnings Paul offers in his epistles, concerning we who live in the last of the latter days, prior to the second coming.

      • I beg to differ with that interpretation, john. As I stated, its a parallel passage; both address the same topics. Truth has been suppressed in religion, translations of the bible, and even reference books. Let me be brief here and point out one particular verse.

        Romans 1:18 KJ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

        Now let me present the pertinent issues with the original Greek and Hebrew words in it to direct your attention to the truth that was suppressed.

        For the wrath of Elohim is revealed from the heavens against all ASEBEIAN and ADIKIAN of ANTHROPON who KATECHONTWN the truth in ADIKIA.

        Reference books lie as much as bad translations. Paul’s intent never made it through the translation/editing process in this verse that was to warn everyone against the Day of Wrath. Let me give the full strength of Paul’s intent.

        For the wrath of Elohim is revealed from the heavens against all SABBATH-rejection, and FALSE RELIGION of UNREGENERATE men, who, the truth, in FALSE RELIGION (they) SUPPRESS.

        It is the “man of sin” in FALSE RELIGION that has kept this TRUTH from you to this very day. And there is much, much more corroborating evidence of this manner of SUPPRESSION of TRUTH to be found in the translations.

        • Hi Eliyahuk,

          I’m sorry but a quick read of the Book of Galatians would convince anyone that you are incorrect.

          I’m sorry, but we are NOT called to observe the Torah. To do otherwise would be a denial of Christ.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  104. John,

    First off, great post overall. I agree with just about everything. One thing that I have noticed regarding the periods of time in Revelation is that many of them appear to be describing the same time but using different language. For example, the woman flees into the desert for a “time, times, and half a time.” If taken to be years this comes to 1,260 days, which is found elsewhere in the book. 42 months is also referenced. I cannot help but see these as describing concurrent events from different perspectives. That bein the case, my conclusion is that 1) the dragon has been pursuing the woman–the bride of Christ–since the 1st century, and 2) the church has been ministered to and taken care of SPIRITUALLY during that time in spite of physical persecution. That said, I must also conclude the the coming persecution will likewise not necessarily necessitat a place of physical refuge in some faroff country, though I definitely see the comparison with the Hebrews in Egypt. God’s deliverencd of His people in the midst of trial–Noah’s ark, Moses, Esther, etc..–is what logically helped me defend my growing suspicion that the pre-trib rapture has been a lie all along. I just haven’t had the sense that this means the “desert” the woman flees to is a physical place anymore than the church has physical wings. Seems to be a metaphor overall.
    Yours in Christ,

    • Hi Luke,

      Excellent observation. The Book of Revelation is NOT in chronological order and DOES double-back to look at events from a separate perspective. That is where so many get confused when looking at Revelation.

      Just remember that the guiding principle is the whole Bible itself. And, we have the words of Jesus laid out in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Comparing THOSE to Revelation provides us with excellent clarity.

      From looking at both of those, it’s clear that we cannot pass off the events of Revelation as spiritual or allegorical – at least, not all of them. There’s going to be a LOT of physical suffering going on, before all is said and done.

      Thank you, Luke. Some good observations.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  105. Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, YHVH comes with ten thousands of His KADOSHIM, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all that are ASEBEIS Sabbath-rejecting among them of all their ASEBEIAS Sabbath-breaking deeds which they have (wantonly) committed (in) HESEBESTHAN (rejecting His Sabbath), and of all their hard speeches which ASEBEIS Sabbath-rejecting sinners have spoken against him.

    2 Peter 2:5 And He did not spare not the old world, but saved Noah and the eight, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ASEBWN Sabbath rejecting.

    John, you can deny, reject, or otherwise theologize as you so desire. My task is to inform, but the decision is theirs, and Paul does not contradict himself.

  106. Dear John,
    As Paul says in 2 thessalonians 2,

    6 And now ye know what “withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.”

    He (anti-Christ) can’t come before his time … ?

    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, “until he be taken out of the way.”

    The restrainer (the Holy Spirit) will restrain evil until he (and we) are taken out of the way.

    8 And THEN shall that Wicked be revealed,

    He will probably come “on the clouds of heaven,” being a copy cat that he is, after Israel is attacked and forced to nuke Damascus … it will seem like armageddon … and as Ezekiel 35 says “while the who earth rejoices, I will make you desolate … speaking of “the borders of wickedness” … that are on Israel’s border.

    The whole earth will rejoice because it will “seem” like armageddon is over … and the covenant has been signed.

  107. John, I prefaced what I stated by telling you that reference books, translations, and institutions are guilty of suppressing the truth. The Greek root for God is THEO, not SEB. Paul was expressing Hebrew thought in a foreign language, and it is not uncommon to transliterate a Hebrew word into a translation when there is no Greek word for an Hebrew religious concept, “Sabbath” in this instance. When it comes to defining things, context is king. Here is further proof of these things:

    1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for ASEBESI SABBATH-rejecters and for sinners (#4), for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers (#5), for manslayers (#6), 10 for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind (#7), for men-stealers (#8), for liars, for perjured persons (#9), and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    Paul here lists violations of the Ten Commandments, and where one might expect to find direct reference being made to violation of Sabbath we find in Greek ASEBESI. This is incontrovertible evidence that your translations and reference books have LIED to you in this matter. Furthermore, consider verse 4.

    1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly THEOU edifying which is in faith: so do.

    There is absolutely no way that Paul was not aware of what he himself had expressed. In verse 4 when he wanted to say “godly” he chose a word with THEO as a root; in verse 9 when wanting to communicate the idea of violating Sabbath, he chose a word with a SEB root, which is bringing a Jewish concept into Greek.

    John, I know you never expected this, but after presenting these things to you, I see you are in denial. Your religious views were given you by tradition, and other men’s thoughts, but not by the spirit of truth revealing the written word. All are enjoined to study to show themselves approved, a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly diving the word of truth.

    This is my last post here. I ask nothing from you, of you. Now it’s on you.

  108. “I keep calling it a theory, but that’s just because I am trying to be polite. It’s more than a theory. It’s a lie – from Satan, the father of lies. He is using it to put you to sleep, so that you will NOT prepare for what he has planned for you.”

    John, your above statement is so true. You can apply that to the trinity theory as well as the pre-trib rapture theory. I recommend that you check out the origin of the trinity. That lie was hatched in 325 a.d., and is certainly not taught in the Bible.
    “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE LORD.” Deut. 6:4 His N.T. name is Jesus, or “God with us.”
    No need to post this. It’s for your benefit.

    Many people have no idea why they believe what they do about religion. That’s because they are victims of “tradition”. Do you know that tradition can a very cruel enemy of your soul? Consider this:
    Tradition says that God is in three people .
    Truth says “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord”.(Deuteronomy 6:4)

    Tradition says any form of baptism is fine, or that it’s not even required.
    Truth says that there is “One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM”. (Ephesians 4:5) and water baptism by immersion is essential. “He that believeth AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved.” (Mark 16:16). “…baptism doth also now save us.” (I Peter 3:21)

    Tradition says that sprinkling infants is all right.
    Truth says that baptism is to be by immersion, and it’s only for those old enough to repent of their sins. (Romans 6:4, John 3:5) The word “baptize” means “immerse”. If you were sprinkled , you were not baptized.

    Tradition says that I must obey my pastor or priest to be saved.
    Truth says that you must obey the words of the Apostles, or otherwise you are “not of God” and are in error. (I John

    Tradition says that baptism is to be” in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.”
    Truth says that Jesus IS the singular name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and that the Apostles baptized only in Jesus’ name. ( Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5)

    Tradition says that you must “accept Christ as your personal Savior” to be saved.
    Truth says that is not in the Bible and you must be “born of water and of the Spirit” to be saved. (John 3:5)

    Tradition says that good people are saved and bad people are lost.
    Truth says that born again people are saved and those not born again are lost, whether they be “good” or “bad”. (John 3:5)

    “Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?” (Matthew 15:3) “… true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father SEEKETH such to worship Him. (John 4:23)
    Ninety % of people will not check this out with the Bible. Be one of the 10%. You will have all eternity to be thankful you did so.

  109. Hi fellow believers, …..”looking for that blessed hope even the glorious appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ”… Two simple questions for all who are looking forward to the horrors of the time of Jacob’s trouble. Rev 13:15 clearly states that ALL who refuse the mark of the beast and worship him should be killed; then Chp 14:11 again clearly states ALL who receive the said mark and worshiop the beast will spend eternity in hell. That to me by mere logic leaves no-one except the sealed Jews. Are you implying that every true believer is therefore killed? If so, the promise through Paul that “we who are alive and remain shall be caught up with the raised saints” does not make sense. I urge you all to listen with an open mind to the four talks by David Hocking at the following link then deduce who is believing a lie? Incidentally, the words “FROM” & “DWELL” in Rev 3:10 respectively, literally mean “Out of the reach of” & “those whose roots are firmly in earthly things”. [distinguishing between believers and none believers.]
    Shgalom Dave D.

    • Hi Dave Dee,

      I truly wish that I could agree with you, as I have said to others. But, don’t you see that you are using ‘logic’?

      Jesus described the tribulation in Matthew 24. He said that it would be the worst that had ever been, and nothing following it would ever be as bad. Then He says that AFTER that tribulation, there will be the Rapture – where He will send the angels to gather the elect, those that are saved.

      Mark 13 repeats this.

      Jesus make NO mention of a pre-tribulation rapture, and He indicates clearly that the Rapture happens AFTER the tribulation.

      To disagree with that is to call Jesus a Liar.

      What do you think that our Lord will say to you, when you stand before Him – since you are calling His words in Matthew and Mark… A LIE.

      Are you ready to call Jesus a liar?

      I hope not, David. Please reconsider your position and prepare for the worst moment in time in the History of the World.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  110. This is the one argument that pre-tribbers have that I’m not sure how to respond: Matthew 24:40-41 “Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be working at a mill. One will be taken, and the other one will be left.”
    This verse creates the vision that two people are working and suddenly one is taken away. Nothing indicates that both people first looked up and saw Jesus in the clouds and then only one of them was taken.

    • Hi Ken,

      I find it strange that the pre-tribbers would pound on those two verses so much, yet ignore the fact that Jesus was saying that the rapture was AFTER the tribulation (Matt 24:29-31).

      But, to answer your question, ask your pre-trib friends about what it is that we are to watch for.

      Are we to watch for the rapture?


      There is no amount of watching that will get you into the rapture. Anyone who says so is being ridiculous.

      So, what do we watch for?

      The events that precede the rapture – i.e., the tribulation.

      Pre-tribbers need to realize that their arguments are completely ridiculous. We do NOT prepare for the rapture. That is impossible. There is nowhere in the Bible where you can see that we are to prepare for the rapture. You are either IN (i.e., saved) or OUT (i.e., not saved).

      Do pre-tribbers even understand what they are saying by making such a foolish claim?

      I really am mystified by this.

      Thank you, Ken. I hope that this answered your question.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • Hi Ken,

      If you compare Noah’s flood accounts from Luke 17 and Matthew 24, you see that the taken = the destroyed. Jesus’ point is that some (wicked) people will be taken (destroyed) when He returns, just like the wicked were destroyed in the flood. When Jesus says, “Where the carcasses are, there the vultures will gather,” it’s because one mark of His coming is that some people will die and vultures will eat their bodies. That’s what happens in Revelation 19:21.

  111. May God save you from His wrath…
    i can see that what you say are true
    that there are no rapture before Christ “second coming” to earth
    actually this “idea” are the same with what muslim believe
    that “after” Isa / Yoshua / Yeshua / Jesus come down to the earth ( from the “sky” with angels )
    and ruled the world with justice ( yes… he really have real kingdom in the earth )
    there will be 40 years of peace
    and few years after his real death ( his soul are returning to God )
    there will be “rapture”
    that angles will take every believer soul
    they dont feel any suffer anymore
    after that, God pouring his wrath in this “world”
    every un believer will fear, suffer and panic
    because of His wrath are soo great
    that people in their sleep will wake up
    that mother will not remember for his child because of “panic”
    that the sky are falling
    that the mountain are “flying” like a feather
    that the galaxy, planet will hit each other
    so what the un believer “see” and “feel” are suffering and destruction

    • Hi ronym,

      Your point about what Islam says about this is interesting. However, Islam is a false religion because it does not teach that salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ, only.

      When speaking of Jesus, the Bible says:

      Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. – Acts 4:12

      If you have not done so, already… you must:

      • Acknowledge your sins and your inability to pay for them
      • Turn from your sins, to God
      • Accept the sacrifice of Jesus, who died and was punished – for you
      • Believe that Jesus Christ IS God

      If you have followed all of those points, then I accept you as my brother in Christ. If not, then I must warn you that your destiny is in Hell, and it scares me to think that you would go there.

      There is no one on this Earth that I want to be in Hell. No one.

      I hope that I will see you in Heaven, Ronym.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  112. can we escape from Anti Christ Tribulation or Trial ?
    Yes… God says it “explicitly” in Al Quran Surah Al Kahfi
    that once upon a time
    when believer are chased, beated and killed by roman empire
    there are 7 or 8 or 9 companion of believer
    that run for his life ( and his faith )
    and at the last trip, they hide in a cave
    ( God call them “Ashabul Kahfi”… because of companion that hiding in the cave )
    because of God grace, they “sleep” for 300 year ( sun calendar system ) or 309 year ( lunar calendar system )
    so when they awaken the “world” are change 180 degrees without they aware of
    ( pagan ruler are gone… society become believing in God, etc )
    moral of the story
    yes we can hiding from Anti Christ trial
    exactly as “ashabul kahfi” are doing
    running and hiding in the cave
    “run for the hill” phrase are match with this description
    or at least we live in “remote country side”
    or living in the cabin in middle of the jungle
    oh by the way…
    this is exactly what many “prepper” or survivalist are doing
    make a small community in remote side
    making “tree house”
    or just rising a tent
    and of course defending our last resort
    are we hiding and running for the rest of our life ?
    not necessary… if my interpretation of the script are correct
    we just hide for 1.5 to 3.5 year… not more
    ( from the first coming of Anti Christ… after “Armageddon” or “The Great War )
    so when the world returning in peace
    we can “restore” God’s law ( 10 commandment )
    because that’s the essence of Abrahamic Religion ( Judhaism, Christianism, Islam )
    bulding our society
    cleaning our environtment because of chemical toxic, etc
    just like Noah and his companion did
    when his ship are landing in Mount Judi

  113. I had an open vision about 1990 or 1991, thereabouts of the Anti-Christ while living in Taipei (I now live closer to the south of Taiwan). I won’t go into detail, but the Anti-Christ comes out of a country where there is a lot of snow and hills and goes into Egypt. When the vision ended, I thought to myself later on, Why did God show me that? That won’t happen in my lifetime. Then many years later, I was attending a cellgroup and the pastor came to our cellgroup that night and said that God sent him to give two messages: one was for me and another one was for another person. The message the Lord had for me was that the visions I had WOULD HAPPEN IN MY LIFETIME AND NOT AFTER I AM DEAD. So, I do believe the Anti-Christ will show up before the rapture. And during my lifetime. I am now 60 years old. I’m from the USA originally and married a Taiwanese.

    • Hi Resta Cheng,

      I’m afraid that I too believe that you will see the Anti-Christ. And, you will see a lot of the terrible events that will happen before then.

      I’m just glad that you aren’t in the US and vulnerable to what happens next. Even better, you are on that beautiful island of Taiwan, amongst the same wonderful people that produced my wife.

      God bless you, Resta. Great comment!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  114. Jude 1:14 – “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.” Carefully notice that NO mention is made of a Rapture at this time. Quite the contrary, here the Lord Jesus is returning with TEN THOUSANDS of His saints to the earth. That is drastically different than having our bodies changed, in the twinkling of an eye, and being “caught up” into the clouds to meet with the Lord. It would make no sense to say that Jesus is going to Rapture the saints, while coming to set up His Kingdom at the same time. Proof that this is not the case is the fact that Jesus will gather the nations and separate the sheep from the goats, i.e., the saved from the unsaved, at His Second Coming. Why would Jesus separate the saints TWICE? That is, why would Jesus Rapture the saints into the air, and then regather the SAME people a short time later when He arrived on the earth? Do you see the dilemma of the Postribulation heresy?

    There are well over a score of biblical passages that indicate that the return of Jesus for the Church is imminent. An imminent return is quite impossible if the tribulation has to happen first. Why would Jesus direct his people to be always ready and watching for His coming if they were meant to go through the tribulation and thus would be aware of His coming as much as seven years before He actually came?

    After the letters to the seven churches of Revelation and what is seen in heaven, the focus of the book of Revelation on earth is on the Israelites again and not the Church. We see the Jews fleeing into the wilderness, the rebuilt temple, the two prophets, the 144,000 Jewish witnesses, and all nations coming to fight against Israel.

  115. Ok, I will just leave a link to this YouTube video. I don’t expect you to watch the video. Thanks for taking your time reading my comment.

  116. I would like to see the rapture taking place before the Great Tribulation. I really do. But if it does NOT take place before the GT, then a lot of people, A LOT OF PEOPLE will lose their faith. After all, so many christians, churches, pastors, Bible scholars etc. have argued that ‘the Bible says, claims and promises that we will be taken away BEFORE the Great Tribulation’. I hope I am wrong but somehow I can already hear people say “But the Bible said we wouldn’t be experiencing these things! The Bible clearly promised us that we would NOT suffer the Great Tribulation!”

  117. John, what a wonderful beautiful blessing this information is and I do believe with all of my heart that what you say is true. I never was taught nor knew of the rapture until about five years ago perhaps, but it did not seem to align at all with what Jesus said, as you have posted on this site that immediately after that great tribulation the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it’s light and so forth and that we would see the sign of the Son of Man and then all of the earth will mourn and that he then will send his holy angels to gather together his elect from the uttermost parts of the earth to the uttermost parts of heaven. No where did Jesus say anything about a rapture, before the great tribulation and he did say in you patience possess your soul and I think if people would really read this page, read Mark, Mathew, Luke and John also, then they would see but they do not want to see and that is understandable that none of us want to suffer but it is something that we have to do just as Jesus had to do for us and while I am not the greatest with words or explaining my self well, the only people ever raptured or taken was Elijah and Enoch most likely preserved for the end times as the two witness for they did not die, so the rest like Noah, Joseph, Moses just to name a few were protected by God on this Earth, not in Heaven so that speaks to me the same for real followers that do not believe the LIE of the Rapture for God will take care of us in God’s way beheaded or not is all I know. I have read over thousands of blogs on this Rapture thing and this web site of yours John, is so pure and perfectly worded and explained, truly your a man of God not one of the many false prophets, Namaste!

    • Hi Frani,

      Thank you for sharing that with me. I am grateful to God that He allowed me to have the words to share.

      I pray that you will be ready for what is coming. Dark days ahead.

      God bless you, Frani.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  118. I to was deceived by the many false teachers when I was new to the faith(still am but not as new thank God) and what really put the nail in the coffin for me on the rapture timing was all the verses about the resurrection on the last day. LAST DAY is the key words here, the resurrection happens on the last day, therefore the rapture can’t happen until shortly after the resurrection. Most of us will be resurrected because of all the death that will happen in the last days, likely killed because we would not worship satan. So the main advantage people who understand that the rapture is not until the last day is that they see that they will likely have to die for their faith and can prepare themselves for that.(by reading the Word of God and getting closer to Him in prayer and fasting and discipline)

    Here are the many verses speaking of the last day resurrection

    John 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

    See the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens before those who are alive are caught up in the air to be with the Lord.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Those who falsely teach the pretrib rapture or any rapture not on the LAST DAY are trying to deceive you so you are unprepared for the soon coming difficult times where we will need to be prepared with all the faith that we can to endure through it. Pray, read, fast, be ready!

    • Hi Austin S,

      Well said, brother.

      The good news is that many of our brothers and sisters who were sincerely deceived by the pretrib lie, are beginning to see that they were wrong.

      They do not intend to deceive us when they pass on the lies that they sincerely believe, but it is still deception. I will continue to love these deceived members of the Body of Christ and seek to turn them away from their error.

      As outraged as I am at this deception, I must keep reminding myself that I also have been deceived in the past. It is so very hard to handle this issue in love, when the consequences are so dire.

      Keep up the good work, Austin. Well done, brother.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • There is no rapture in the 2nd half of the tribulation. The antichrist will be revealed mid-trib. Daniel 7 25 destroys any pre-wrath rapture. And Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5 destroy any post-trib rapture. The last day of the tribulation will be known 7 biblical years before the tribulation. There is no rapture on the last day of Daniel’s 70th week.

        • I never said there was no rapture. The antichrist will be revealed midtrib. And after great worldwide martyrdom, suddenly the sun will be darkened and the moon will turn to blood and great judgments will start to fall on the wicked as birth pangs. But the atart of the day of the Lord at the 6th seal has nothing to do with our gathering at Rev 4 1. No man knows the day or the hour of Rev 4 1. There is no rapture from the day of the 5th seal till the day of the 7th trumpet when on that day, 7 bowls will destroy all the wicked

  119. Dear Brother John,
    My Sunday school instructor just made the statement “we will not have to
    experience the TRIBULATION because Jesus took care of that on the Cross.”
    I couldn’t believe my ears. No where in the bible do I read that because of
    Christ’s death on the cross, Christians are exempt from experiencing some
    type of tribulation. It is very, very difficult to attend a church that doesn’t
    believe in “Pre-Trib” rapture. In fact, if you know of one, please let me know.

    • Hi Pearl,

      This is why errors are bad, when we hold on to them – at the expense of all else. This pre-trib fanaticism has infected so many other parts of their understanding of the Bible, that foolish teachers will stand up and say what this man said.

      I have to keep telling myself that these people are ‘well-meaning’. But, it’s hard to feel that way, when they berate you for not agreeing with their heresy.

      As for the post-tribbers, they are out there. But, many of THOSE have even WORSE heresies.

      Many post-trib people claim that we are already in the Millennium. Many say that there is no Millennium. Others believe in ‘replacement theology’. Some even believe in doing violence to conquer the Earth – for Christ.

      If I had to choose between heresies, I would much rather go with the pretribbers. Many Post-Trib people are in danger of going to Hell, for ripping out Revelation 20.

      But, I deeply sympathize with your feelings, Pearl. It is so depressing to hear stuff like this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  120. The Western Pre-Tribbers have no ability to exegete Scripture, eisegesis is their game! The only way you can create a pretrb rapture is to create this idea externally from Scripture and then isolate, twist and torture bits and pieces of Scripture to prove the pretrib fallacy! This doctrine could only be developed by a group of people who hav never had to suffer for their belief! The pretribbers suffer no persecution for their belief while Christians in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia…….. around the world are persecuted and murdered on a daily basis?! God has not plucked the faithful from trials and tribulation anywhere in Scripture but He has rather, given them what they needed and need to make it THROUGH their trials and tribulations, but I guess the pretribbers think they are some super special believers and deserve this rapture? I thought Jesus Christ said in John 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to be born and tortured and crucified while completely innocent and Jesus Christ, lovingly and willingly, laid down His life so that many could have eternal life but I guess the pretribbers dont consider Him a “good” enough friend to lay down their lives for him? WOW????
    1Cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.( Just not great tribulation???) The Apostle Paul thought it was the greatest of glories to suffer and die for Jesus Christ but the pretribbers and that should make it brutally clear that this pretrib doctrine is rubbish! The transfiguration happens at the end, when the final trump sounds and every last soul will see it, hear it and know it and all will kneel to the Lord Jesus Christ!

  121. Grace And Peace, John Little. Totally agree with: “I try to always ask God for direction before I write, because I truly want every word that I write to be what He wants you to read. I really do. It scares me that I would lead you astray in ANYTHING. Unfortunately, because I am fallible, you cannot trust my words completely. I really am no better than you are.” { “leading astray” = “bad works” in 1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15!, Correct? }

    And Even More with: “The Bible is ALWAYS right. Always.” = AMEN!!!


    And, Also, as DB states: “The only way you can create a pretrb rapture is to create this idea externally from Scripture and then isolate, twist and torture bits and pieces of Scripture,” – how would this “accusation fit” in, And just “how am I “mistaken” with “my Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure view” having “Possibly(?) violated” ANY of the following?:


    With NO “solid” foundation, our building “could be on shaky” ground, eh? (smile)

    JL, Looking forward to Great Discussion of God’s Important Matters with you…
    …IF you wish…

    bro Chris (seeking The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And NOTHING But The Truth!)

    • Hi Grace ambassador (bro Chris),

      Please explain your acronyms when you use them. Pre-TOJT is NOT a commonly understood acronym. It means, “Pre-Time Of Jacob’s Trouble”.

      Now that we have THAT out of the way, let me get to the point:


      I would be willing to consider a pre-trib rapture or pre-TOJT rapture – if there was a verse describing it. There isn’t.

      Show me the verse, and we can talk.

      If you can’t show me a verse, then you have a serious problem.

      Second, “Jacob’s Trouble” is NOT the Great Tribulation. It’s about the salvation of the children of Jacob. We are not the ‘children of Jacob’. God changed Jacob’s name, when he entered into covenant with God.

      So, show me the verse, and then we’ll talk. Until then… you need to think about changing your position, Chris.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  122. Grace And Peace. JL, thanks for the reply. Of course you win, since there is NO
    “ONE” Verse “proving” a “Pre-Time of Jacob’s Trouble” GRACE Departure From
    The earth For The Body Of CHRIST To Heaven For our Judgment. Thus, i suppose
    there is NO “discussion.” I’m not sure if this has been “well stated” or not:

    “man Cannot ‘hang’ a Doctrine of God on ONE verse, but a man Can Certainly
    ‘hang himSELF’ With Only ONE verse!” 🙁 Amen?

    • Chris, for every precept of our faith, there is at least one verse that directly describes it. At least one. You don’t even have one, while I have several that say that you are wrong. Therefore, your ideas are heresy. There’s nothing else to say. – JL

    • Bro. Chris – Personally – I have found over the years that it is absolutely pointless to quote any of the numerous scriptures written throughout the 66 books of “the law of God” about the ‘pre-tribulation Rapture’ to those who have made the Personal Religious Choice to Deny it
      – AND – Many of the ‘pre-tribulation Rapture’ Deniers are also strong believers in the “antichrist” ‘Replacement Theology’ \ ‘Supersessionism’ \ ‘British Israelism’ \ ‘Christian Identity’ \ ad nasue-ism . . . . . .


      • Hi Bro. Nick,

        Since you didn’t even bother to add anything to the conversation, I stopped you at the one point that you were most egregiously wrong.

        I and those like me are NOT into ‘Replacement Theology’ \ ‘Supersessionism’ \ ‘British Israelism’ \ ‘Christian Identity’ \ ad nasue-ism, in any way. Quite the opposite. You didn’t even bother to look at the rest of the website before passing judgment.

        Furthermore, the reason why you won’t provide scriptural reference to back up your claim, is because you have no verse or passage that describes a pretribulation rapture. NONE.

        How is it possible to create an entire theology based upon an idea that does not exist in the Bible?

        NOT. ONE. PASSAGE.

        NOT. ONE. VERSE.

        Nick, I truly hope that you are a brother. But, you are also the purveyor of false and unbiblical teaching. You need to repent.

        Yours in Christ,

        John Little


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