Prophecy Clock – Israel

Growing up, I didn’t really spend that much time talking about End Times prophecy with other believers. I just assumed that people ‘got it’. Then, when I was living in Israel, there were so few Christians around, that the same situation applied. However, one day, I stumbled over someone who was talking about the pre-tribulation rapture theory.

When I quizzed him on the implications, I finally got the picture. Pre-trib people believe that Israel is saved DURING the Tribulation.


This is what happens when you don’t read your Bible, carefully. And, it also forces us to focus on Israel FIRST, if we are to discuss a prophecy timeline.


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Prophecy Clock – Israel

The Bible agrees with itself completely, which is great because it allows you to verify your position and allows others to challenge that same position:

Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.Proverbs 27:17

Of course, when iron sharpens iron, sparks fly and things can get pretty heated. But, that’s how it works. If you can’t handle disagreement, then Christ isn’t for you.

Oh, and let me mention that most of my friends are pre-trib. Seriously, I generally like pre-trib people better than the post-trib kind – except when talking eschatology. But, let’s get back to the subject.

Why do pre-trib people believe that Israel MUST be saved during the Tribulation?

Revelation 7 and Matthew 24

There are two reasons – Revelation 7 and Matthew 24.

In Revelation 7, it says:

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.Revelation 7:3-4

So, Israel is there, for sure. And then, there’s Matthew 24, which says:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:Matthew 24:15-16

Clearly, there are Christians in Israel when the Antichrist proclaims himself, and there is a ‘holy place’ where this vile fellow will go to tell everyone that he’s god.

But… um… there’s a problem.

Pre-Trib Theory Proven False

Here’s the problem:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matthew 24:29-31

That blows the whole idea of a pre-tribulation rapture completely out of the water.

How can you possibly believe in a pre-tribulation rapture after reading that?

And, God is in control of who He saves and when He saves them.

So, why does He cause Israel to suffer through the Tribulation?

It doesn’t make sense, if the purpose of the Rapture is to pull Christians OUT of the way of the Antichrist. Here is the verse that the pre-trib people continually quote as a reason for a pre-tribulation Rapture:

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,1 Thessalonians 5:9

So, if WE are not appointed unto wrath…

…why are they?

That is yet another problem with the pre-trib position. But, there is an even bigger problem.

The Problem

The Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory requires you to alter the way that the Bible lays out prophecy for the Last Days. You are forced plug Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 and 39 into the time of the Tribulation. You are forced to see Jeremiah 30 – and every other reference to the Salvation of Israel – as a reference to the Tribulation.

You are unable to see the time period in which Israel is saved, until it is too late. Isaiah 17 and Isaiah 19 become meaningless to you. And, when Gog and Magog come down to attack Israel, you will be blind to the implications, and you will be caught by what happens here:

And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.Ezekiel 39:6

Please remember that the pre-trib theory predicted the Rapture when Israel became a nation. It also predicted that the Rapture would happen when Jerusalem was captured by Israel.

What are you going to do when the Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory is wrong, yet again… and the Earth takes a direct hit by a solar EMP?

Are you ready for this?
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48 thoughts on “Prophecy Clock – Israel”

  1. Hello John I want to say I do appreciate your blog you have very interesting things to say. with the pre-trib rapture theory I do subscribe to this theory with caution, however I think that you glossed over the details of the pre-tribulation rapture theory and there really are many more aspects to this theory. first off when Jesus Christ is seeing coming with great power and glory the Bible says that he’s going to come with his holy ones and we will be with him, apparently riding on white horses (rev 19:14). Notice how those coming with the Lord are going to be coming with white linen pure and clean which is not something that is given to angels, it is given to human beings that have been redeemed and it is a indication of purity through Christ’s blood. One things that I’ve learned is that it’s very important to understand the Scriptures in the context of the Jewish culture and system. the Jewish wedding system involved a snatching away of the bride where the groom would come and the bride did not know the exact time which the groom was coming because he had been gone preparing a place for the bride, and then he would suddenly appear and take his bride, and they would go to the place that had been prepared for her. Often times this place was simply an addition on the fathers home but could sometimes be also a completely separate home therefore we get the imagery that Christ mentioned when he said in his father’s house are many mansions. The Scriptures indicate that the tribulation is going to be a time to “test those who dwell on the earth” and so I believe that there will be people that are tested and refined and made pure in the sense that they become believers– Gentiles and Jews alike–and so there will be a group during the tribulation that is martyred and one also that endures to the end, but I do believe that just prior to God’s wrath there’s going to be at taking away of his people. I believe that’s indicated in the story of Noah as well. I also believe we could be on the threshold of Ezekiel 3839 right now and that after that very well could be the beginning of the tribulation. I know there are a lot of different opinions regarding pretrib postrib midtrib, etc. and it can be confusing, however there is a messianic Jewish teacher out there who’s name is Arnold Fruchtenbaum. he is very renowned, and I’ve listened to his presentation on the rapture and it’s pre-tribulation. I recommend you do the same if you have a chance his website can be found it and you can take a listen for yourself and see what you think. By the way I’m speaking into my phone and it’s translating my words so I have kind of a gibberish looking text here and I apologize for that.

    God bless bye

    • Hi Tim korabek,

      That was well written, and well said. (Quite literally, it appears.)

      To repeat what I said in my article, I dearly love those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. In fact, my favorite pastor in all the world, is a strong believer in the pre-trib position. And, if I were to take stock of those who hold the ‘pre-trib’ vs. ‘post-trib’, I believe that I would find more who exhibit the loving spirit that Jesus called us to have.

      So, if I had a choice, I would quickly and easily go with the ‘pre-trib’ folks. And, until I was startled awake on April 5th, 2011, the difference of opinion on this did not matter so much to me.

      My great desire is that all tribbers, whether they are pre-/mid-/post-, be ready for what is coming. Bad days are rolling down on us, and I want all of us to get to the other side of them – so that we can continue our discussion on the issue.

      As to the issue of evidence… I just can’t get around Matthew 24, as well as Thessalonians when it says that the ‘Dead in Christ rise first’ – BEFORE those that are alive are raptured. I just cannot see how any of that can be ‘gotten around’.

      Thank you, Tim, for that excellent comment. May God keep you in the days ahead.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Hello John thank you for your kind words and also I just wanted to follow up. I noticed that you mention Matthew 24 and the Thessalonians passage about the dead in Christ rising first, just two quick thoughts on those passages: the first one with Thessalonians, in my mind the dead rising first is something that happens seconds before those who are alive and remain are caught up, and it says to meet the Lord together in the air. To me the words “together in the air” there signifies it all happens kind of at once. Also, Just the other day you mentioned Luke 21 and the Lord in that passage tells us to pray that we may be counted worthy to escape all that is coming on the earth. To me, I think that escape could very well be the rapture. Since Luke 21 is a parallel passage to Mark 24 I think it relates. I feel like that particular command to pray is something that hints at the rapture. I can’t see how else “escape” would apply considering what’s written in the book of Revelation. One other thing I’ve been thinking about as well though has to do with the plagues in the book of Exodus in Egypt. The first couple plagues did indeed affect the children of Israel, but then God showed the distinction, and they apparently stopped affecting the children of Israel up until the death of the first born. At that point if they would not have put the blood on their door posts their children would’ve died, but they obeyed the instructions. That makes me wonder if indeed we may partake in part of the tribulation but at some point God shows that distinction again and totally removes us this time. I’m hoping for a pre-trib rapture, but I’m also trying to be prepared in case that is not the scenario God uses. I’m speaking into my phone again so punctuation and wording may not be the best.

        God bless again


        • Hi Tim korabek,

          Again, well said.

          If everyone who was pre-trib, prepared for the possibility that the rapture was going to be later than they thought… well, I’d probably keep my yap shut. But, far too many aren’t preparing, and that worries me.

          The point that I keep raising is that there are passages in the Bible that clearly dispel the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture. For instance, Paul speaks to the Thessalonians, here:

          Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him… …Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2 Thessalonians 2:1,3-4

          I just don’t know how anyone can get around such a clearly worded passage.

          I also do not know how anyone can get around THIS passage, either:

          Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. – Matthew 24:29-31

          The gathering is AFTER the Tribulation.

          I just do not understand why something so clear can be so difficult for so many.

          Thank you, Tim.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

    • It seems many are hung up on the man made teachings of parallels between Jewish tradition and how Christ’s second coming will play out. It is true the Jesus will fulfull the rest of the Lord’s Feast days in His second coming, but extending that to the harvest process or wedding tradition is purely a man-made concoction. As well the dividing of the church from Israel in the tribulation, which the new testament teaches we are all part of spiritual Israel and now partakers in the benefits of the promises to Abraham equally with the biological descendants to be saved when Christ returns.

      If there was direct scripture that supported this 7 year prior gathering of the saints, then all the parallels to traditions could be used, but since all direct scripture actually says that Christ will return just as he left, in the clouds, and that we will be gathered to Him in one event at that return, then it is probably best to follow the scriptures and not the teachings of men.

      I also always point out Rev. 20:4-6 as a key passages that indicates the saints who live and reign with Christ for 1000 years includes those who are beheaded because they wouldn’t worship the beast or take his mark. This is called the first ressurection, so it has to happen after the anti-christ has taken control and is enforcing his mark on the world. Only other option is to believe in multiple ressurections of the saints, but there is do direct scripture to support this.



    Brother John Little,
    I love you!

    I believe you have some wonderful points in your recent articles! I find them intriguing and informative. The church is different from any aspect of social order, including the Jewish and the gentiles. I have mentioned to you before that many of Jewish Heritage and background often refer to themselves as Messianic Jews. There is no such thing! You are either a Jew, I prefer the term Hebrew, or you are gentile. The 3rd category of human beings is THE CHURCH.

    Jesus Christ himself made the statement: Matthew 11:11 “Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there is none greater than John The Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” Most stop there! take into consideration the following verse: Matthew 11:12-14 “And from the days of John The Baptist until NOW the kingdom of heaven suffereth VIOLENCE, and the violent take it by force. 13 For the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come.”

    Prior to John, there was not much hope for the gentile to receive salvation. This offered a contradiction in God’s intention, in my opinion. When you open your eyes to the condition of Israel and the world during this very time of Christ Jesus, you see the situation we’ve spoken of before.

    The very same mind control that we see today was present in Jesus’ time as well. We often remark in our postings of “WHY CAN’T THESE PEOPLE SEE?”, when in fact the same thing happened to God’s chosen! His bride! His beloved! The apple of his eye! You see Israel did not reject The Messiah without the influence of Satan’s lying “seed”. These “seed” are the very same “seed” pictured on the back of the dollar bill. The skin type of the “eye of Horus” is serpentine! What God is about to do is remove the blinders from the eyes of Israel that they can see Messiah Jesus Christ in his fullness and Glory!

    The 4th category of beings on earth at that time were and still are the “seed of the serpent” REPTILIANS!

    Just as in the times of Noah, the serpent seed continued to reap havoc within the genetic makeup of The Hebrew.

    I have spoken this many times and it is the word according to Ephesians 2:14-20 “15 Having ABOLISHED in his FLESH the ENMITY EVEN THE LAW of commandments contained in ORDINANCES; for to make in himself OF TWAIN ONE NEW MAN, SO MAKING PEACE,”

    The same “seed of the serpent” abides within the confines and under the veil of the pope!

    And so we view what the “seed of the serpent” has long presented as ENMITY between the Hebrew and the Gentile, when in fact it is still the ENMITY between the “seed of the serpent” and the “seed of the woman”, God’s Chosen!

    2Thesolonians 2:1-12 clearly lines out the coming events for THE CHURCH. When you realize the POWER and AUTHORITY given to us by receiving THE SPIRIT OF GOD, the RU’ACHH!, then you begin to understand why you, me, and all of our brothers and sisters of THE CROSS, are here. We are to WITNESS to the Hebrew! Without you and me and all of our family continuously speaking THE WORD, The Jewish Nation might not have received the sustained presence of JESUS CHRIST! My last words spoken on this earth will be “I LOVE YOU YESHUA CHRIST”, for in doing so I will be a living and dying testimony of his undying love for his CHOSEN PEOPLE. That they missed the mark once again, he realizes that they are swayed by the same old enemy as of ancient times, “the seed of the serpent”. The only thing holding back the lawless one from destroying god’s creation once and for all is “WHAT WITH-HOLDETH” the church. Eph 2:7 “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: I suggest those reading this to read the entire 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 and seek the guidance of THE RU’ACHH! in doing so.

    Regardless of the time of the RAPTURE, we are to maintain our position is CHRIST JESUS TIL THE END! He will get here exactly on time! Because THE CHURCH is metaphorically and CONTRACTUALLY, “THE BRIDE OF CHRIST” We can assume a few things will hold true on this depiction or model of the very “bride of YHWH” When you realize what this is all about, it will bring a peace upon you like never before! Your DNA, if you are Hebrew, is the very same as God’s, however it is tainted with the DNA of the serpent, but You are of his VIBRATION. If you are Gentile, your DNA still contains the “seed of the serpent” and there is no hope for your salvation unless, you receive the DNA UPGRADE by the Holy Spirit activating the DNA of Jesus Christ within you. For it is this SPIRIT which SUPERNATURALLY PURIFIES THE DNA, that we can be found worthy to stand before the Son of Man!

    Let THE WORD SPEAK! That’s why we are here! Without it, there is no hope for the lost, even of God’s chosen! He had this all figured out from the beginning.

    I pray you find this WORTHY!

    REMEMBER THIS! John 4:22 “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.”


    I do have one question that may help. Why would Jesus Christ choose a bride, and go to prepare a place, and leave her here to be RAPED, BEATEN, AND ABUSED in his absence? A faithful bride will receive just reward! A disobedient bride, “ISRAEL” will be chastened and condemned until her redeemer comes. I love the bride references in the scripture. I love it because I understand it. We are not the literal bride of course, but it is a means of establishing the CONTRACT to change the DNA under the Law. Jesus himself says we shall not be married. And if we are the body of Christ, how then can Jesus marry himself? For those who do not understand the Rapture, we’ll explain it on the way there! For those who have the Holy Spirit and understand it? There is no tribulation! Just SANCTIFICATION AND PURIFICATION FROM THIS WORLD! Talk about scaring the CRAP out of the REPTILIANS? INVOKE THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH AND CALL DOWN FIRE FROM HEAVEN! THAT WILL SPARK THINGS UP! CHAIN LIGHTNING!!! WOOHOO! I SMELL ROASTING LIZARDS! LOL!


    PSALM 91/ LUKE 21:36

    • Hi James Timms,

      I want to apologize for editing your comments into one comment. I did my best to retain your original thought. I feel bad about doing that, but I’m trying to keep the comment section from imploding.

      Thank you for your warm regard. And, as always, you are very thought-provoking.

      The question about DNA is an interesting one. I know that many have talked about a Satanic corruption of human DNA, and it’s difficult to talk about this because the Bible is vague on the subject. (Although, I do know that there is a ‘book of Enoch’.)

      And yes, there really is only one faith, one Lord and one baptism. Any differences, whether Jewish or Gentile, are (in the end) cosmetic. (Except for the prophecies that were promised.)

      Once history is complete, we will truly understand what the Lord was doing.

      Thank you, James!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  3. Greetings in the name of the Lord. I am 73 years old and was raised in a church that taught pre-trib. I never heard one person expecting the rapture in 1948 or 1967. They were taught as signs of the imminent return of the Lord for His church. I have a question for you. Has there ever been a sign given by God that has to happen before Christ’s return for His church? If there has/is, why did the apostles teach of the imminent return of Christ almost 2000 years ago? I believe this is a strong reason to believe in the rapture of the church at ANY moment.
    I do appreciate your writings. May God bless you. Layne

    • Hi Layne,

      My Dad, a pastor who is 74, was taught in seminary in the 1960s that when the Jews capture Jerusalem, the rapture will happen. I have heard from another source that a creation of the State of Israel would cause the Rapture to happen.

      As to the signs that MUST happen before the rapture, Paul is very specific:

      Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. – 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

      Paul says that the Antichrist MUST arrive first. How can ANYONE get around that?

      The DEAD must be resurrected first:

      For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. – 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

      The Resurrection from the dead MUST happen BEFORE the Rapture. How can ANYONE get around that?

      Jesus Himself spoke of Jerusalem as a sign, as I wrote in my article. When the apostles spoke of an imminent return, they were NOT doing away with these signs.

      The scriptures show that before the rapture can happen, there must first be:

      Jerusalem Controlled by the Jews
      The Tribulation
      The Antichrist
      The Resurrection of the Dead

      Those PROVE that the church CANNOT be in the rapture at ANY moment. Sorry. That’s what the Bible says.

      Thank you for that comment, Layne.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  4. Mr. Little, I was never a Tareyton smoker, but I had rather fight than switch? And to make sure that I don’t use up my allotment of words, I will start slow. First in Matthew 24, Jesus is talking to Jews in Jerusalem. Throughout most of the end time scernario the main concern was always when will the Kingdom be restored to Israel, and what part will we the disciples, who have given up everything, be expecting when you set up your Throne (Short Version)? The reason that is important is that the Church (the Body of Christ), which the Apostle Paul was commissioned to carry to the Gentiles wasn’t even born at that time. Saul on the road to Damascus, was the first non-believer that the Lord revealed himself. The scriptures show that after his resurrection, he only showed himself to believers? Saul was persecuting those Jews who had come to realize that Jesus was the Messiah. The Risen Savior revealed himself from Glory, and eventually carried Paul to perhaps the same mount in Sinai as Moses, and revealed “Mysteries” which had never been revealed before? One of which is the Blinding of Israel until the Fulness of the Gentiles be come in. He has set Israel aside for a time until every Gentile during this dispensation of Grace comes into the Body of Christ, then he will turn his full attention back to Israel during the Time of Jacob’s Troubles (the Tribulation Period)..Maybe we can start here. I fill a Series is coming…God Bless, Jimmy

    • Hi Jimmy,

      Thank you so much for staying within 300 words. I really appreciate that.

      I think that I understand your point, but I do NOT see how it fits with this:

      Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matthew 24:29-31

      THAT can only be the future AFTER the Tribulation. This can be NOTHING ELSE.

      How do you explain that?

      Thank you, Jimmy.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Mr Little, It seems several people are responding, that’s good!! I said this to you many months ago, and I repeat. What Jesus did in his earthly ministry is not the same as what he from glory has revealed to the Apostle Paul? These are the types of questions which one must answer? And for the sake of not having to reference every scripture unless needs be, I again ask, why did the Lord only have dealings with 2 Gentiles in his earthly ministry? It could be 2 1/2 if we count the woman at the well? Why did he give instructions in his earthly ministry not to go the way of the gentiles to his disciples? The scriptures teach that Jesus came to fulfill the promises to the Fathers. Covenants which were made to the Nation of Israel. And the Apostle Paul teaches that Gentiles were aliens outside the promises from the commonwealth of Israel? At the Jerusalem conference it was decided that Peter and the eleven would go and preach the Gospel of the Circumcision, and Paul would go and preach the Gospel of the Uncircumcision. These are not simple questions or answers. There are of course many more. These type of questions tie in with the 490 Curse the Lord placed on Israel, and many scholars believe that Daniel’s 70th week is upon us. It goes by several names throughout scripture. The Indignation, the Day of the Lord, the time of Jacob’s Trouble. The Jewish prophets wrote of this coming time. We in the NT call it the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation. Jesus in his earthly ministry addressed it to the Jewish audience, before the Body of Christ was revealed. The Body of Christ is not Israel. The Body of Christ was a mystery revealed later to Paul. I am probably going over my words, but from the other posts I believe that rule has been suspended for a while? The Curse was placed on Israel, the Body of Christ wasn’t in the first 483 years, why should she be in their curse? Paul proclaims a dispensation of grace where a New Creation has come into existence. During this time period when he has Blinded Israel as a Nation, and set them aside, he is creating the One New Man of Ephesians. Both Jew and Gentile have an opportunity to respond, which composes the Body of Christ. I will end this portion by using again 1 Corinthians 10:32. There are 3 Groups of people in the world today? Jews, Gentiles, and the Church of God (which is his Body)…God Bless, Jimmy

        • Hi Jimmy,

          What you are describing is dispensationalism. Unfortunately, I do NOT agree with this theory. The only way that you can prove that this exists is by one vague inference, laid upon another vague inference, laid upon yet another – ad nauseum.

          This is NOT how such a fundamental doctrine should be laid. It should be one that is CLEARLY defined, and Dispensationalism is NOT.

          God is the same yesterday, today and forever. God says that He does NOT change. He also says that we are heirs to the promise given to Abraham. There are no ‘dispensations’. It is NOT Biblical.

          Where is the clearly defined passage that describes dispensationalism?

          As I see it, you must be dispensationalist BECAUSE you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. If you take away the pre-tribulation rapture, the dispensationalist foundation crumbles.

          And, I have proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt that the pre-trib rapture is a lie.

          Thank you, Jimmy, for your comment.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  5. If we are all going through the tribulation, these verses don’t make sense.
    The Wrath of God:
    The tribulation period is called the “Wrath of God” in numerous verses. In the context of the tribulation here are a few:
    1Thessalonians 5: 9 says that “We are not appointed unto wrath”
    1Thesselonians 1:10 says, “we are delivered from the wrath to come”
    Nahum 1:2 says “He reserves His wrath for His enemies”

    These verses are self explanatory. God did not ever unleash His wrath on the righteous. We may suffer persecution, but never the wrath of God.

    Rapture types in scripture:

    ● Noah and family were sealed by God in the ark

    ● We had a similar story with Lot. In fact there is a very powerful type in this story. Genesis 19:22 says that Lot was to “Hurry to escape there.

    Characteristics of the tribulation:

    2 Thessalonians 2:7 says that “He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way and the lawless one is revealed.” Some believe that this “restrainer” is the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is omnipresent. This restrainer is the true church indwelt by the Holy Spirit. This indicates that the tribulation or wrath of God can’t begin until the righteous are removed. This is consistent with other verses demonstrating this principle.

    1Thesselonians 4:17 speaking of the rapture says ” We who are alive and remain shall be caught up (raptured) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words”. What comfort is it to know that we are going through the tribulation period, which will be the worst time of judgement upon the earth that it has ever known. The tribulation will see the wrath of God, the wrath of man, and the wrath of the devil all operating together. Billions of people will die in the most horrific wave of wrath and judgement!

    The pre-tribulation rapture position is consistent with and rests essentially on one major premise – the literal interpretation of scripture. The other views use the allegorical interpretive method, which is inconsistent and makes the interpreter God’s editor!

    • Hi Anon,

      I had to edit your comment down to fit the limit. Even then, it was way over.

      None of your arguments make sense.

      We are only not appointed unto wrath if we do not deserve wrath. Peter said that judgment begins at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17).

      Are you going to tell me that the vast majority of churches AREN’T filled with filth and sin?

      And, even Revelation 12 says that God prepares a place of safety during the Tribulation.

      You claim that the restrainer is the church? Really? That is QUITE a stretch. You certainly have no verses for that.

      In your quotation of 1 Thess 4:17, you have forgotten to include the previous verse, (16):

      For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

      The resurrection of the dead must happen FIRST. Are you saying that the resurrection of the dead happens before the Tribulation, also?

      You have also neglected this 2 Thessalonians, where Paul ALSO mentioned the Rapture:

      Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him… …Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. – 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3-4

      That verse CLEARLY indicates that the Antichrist comes first, BEFORE the rapture.

      Why do you ignore that verse?

      Why do you ignore Luke 21 and Matthew 24?

      Methinks that the accusation of being God’s editor should be applied… elsewhere.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Hello John,
        I won’t argue the point of when the Rapture takes place, because I think it would be futile to do so. I understand that what I wrote was way over the limit, but your editing of my response left out some very important points. My stance on the Pre-tribulation rapture is firm based on a literal interpretation of scripture. God did not ever unleash His wrath on the righteous. We may suffer persecution, but never the wrath of God.
        Revelation 19: 8-14 Sees the armies of heaven clothed in fine linen, follow our Lord from heaven at His second coming. Verse 8 says that the “fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints” These are therefore not angels as some teach. For the believers to follow the Lord from heaven at the second coming they need to be there first!
        I certainly respect your writings, but in this instance I totally disagree with you on this point. Either way it will all be good in the end.

  6. Dear John Little:
    I understand your argument concerning Israel and the seven year Tribulation and prophecy. However, in the Books of Daniel and Revelation, there are also situations that say the visions/prophecies should remain sealed until such a time as when there is better understanding or we are closer to the last days. Daniel was told to close some prophecies in just such a way. Also concerning Revelation, who in John’s time could imagine an army of 200 million – certainly not in his day but today China and India certainly have such armies. Also concerning Christians and the true Church (Bride of Christ, Body of Christ, true Believers), which church is described in Revelation chapters 17 and 18? The false apostate church I hope. In Revelation there is no mention of a church from Chapters 4 to 17. Perhaps we are not supposed to understand the last days, rapture, and the tribulation until we are almost there and the sealed or closed prophecies only make sense now. The prophecies would make sense now for those with discernment. Remember that the whole world would be deceived, even the elect. For me pastors like Perry F. Rockwood and J. Vernon Magee, and their radio ministries are better at preaching the truth than those from a physical building and pulpit. Today, the vast majority of so-called Christians are asleep because their pastors/priests do not preach about end time prophecies. As Dave Hodges has said, if your church is 501 c 3, tax exempt, those pastors/priests are nothing but government stooges. In other words, only state the government lies or else lose everything. That is the situation I find my family in. I have abandoned physical churches, but my wife and kids still go despite the fact that I have told them there is apostasy there. They still think that a truth mixed with a lie is still a truth. Thats ceremony, ritual, sacraments, confession to a priest, Marianology, etc. is still ok if they preach about Jesus. That is wrong. Despite preaching about Jesus, everything else dishonours God and Jesus. Like the old story of the chocolate chip cookies- would you eat those cookies if you know or found out that those cookies also contained bits of dog poop. NO! A lie is still a lie, even if it is wrapped up in a truth. Satan’s deception. I find most churches are deceived because most if not all do not preach about end time prophecy when we are in the middle of it and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ is very near. Thanks, Norbert.

    • Hi Norbert,

      The problem that I have with the pre-tribulation rapture theory, is that:

      1. It’s not Biblical

      2. It was cooked up by a Jesuit priest.

      3. It makes Christians vulnerable.

      That last one makes me the most concerned. We all make mistakes in seeking to understand the Bible, but usually those mistakes do not make us vulnerable to death. I want our brothers and sisters to be safe and serving God while we try to understand the Bible.

      And, since it is clear that we do live in the Last Days RIGHT NOW… maybe we should ignore theories that were cooked up in the 1800s? By a Jesuit priest?

      Let’s look at the Bible anew and read what it says.

      But, thank you for being so dedicated to the truth, Norbert. God bless you, brother!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  7. I’m interested in following your thinking here, John, but you make statements without explanations. Maybe I’m just dense but could you please make what you’re saying here more clear? For example, you quote Matt. 24:29-31 and then say “That blows the whole idea of a pre-tribulation rapture completely out of the water.” But you fail to say how for those of us who aren’t following … eh?!

    • Hi Paula Hill,

      The point about Matthew 24:29-31 is that it CLEARLY indicates that the Rapture happens AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

      It also dovetails with 2 Thessalonians 2, where it says that the Antichrist is revealed BEFORE the Rapture.

      I hope that I cleared that up for you, Paula.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  8. Amen! One can not hear the words of Jesus in Mathew 24 and still buy into that pre-trib rapture garbage.
    I call it Garbage because it is a LIE and a LIE is garbage. What’s really sad about the Pre-Trib. lie is that it is going to cause the heartbreak, disallusion and resentment and Fall of many so-called Christians! Good of you to right about it friend!!!
    G-d keep you and yours!!!

  9. Mr. Little,
    I didn’t see any sources for your claim that the pre-trib rapture was “predicted,” or in any way related to any restoration of Israel or the “capture of Jerusalem” as you state. Who said/did/wrote that? Perhaps you could refer me to a more thorough and reasoned article of yours that makes a better case for your POV re the Rapture. In the meantime, what exactly do you believe? Also, please consider this; unless you have an infinite supply of insulin to treat your diabetes, and an infinite supply of Metropolol for your hypertension, diuretics for your congestive heart failure, various psychotropics for your mental illnesses, and narcs for your chronic pain, the reality is that neither you or anyone you love is likely to survive more than about six months after act one of God’s judgments. I am prepped to the max and with scenarios you’ve likely never had to think through. But, as for me and my family, we are not planning on surviving or “thriving” if the worst case plays out in our lifetimes. We are planning on obedience and faithfulness; “even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.”

  10. I just recently discovered your web site and find it fascinating. I am interested to know why you say you like pre trib christians better than post trib. I feel exactly the same and am curious about your reasons. Also what is your belief on eternal security?

    • Hi Daisy Mercedes Otero,

      Well, I am speaking from personal experience and from listening to those preachers who broadcast. And, I find that pre-trib people generally show more love and have a much more loving heart. I also find that pre-trib people have a love for Israel, and that REALLY warms my heart. And, I believe that it warms the heart of God.

      In my limited experience with post-trib people, I find them to be generally (NOT universally) more aggressive and angry. There’s a muscular attitude from many post-trib people that worries me. They also seem to ‘break fellowship’ over doctrinal differences that are NOT fundamental.

      In the final analysis, we are called to peace. We are sheep, not wolves.

      As to my belief in eternal security… well, those that God has determined to be saved WILL enter into heaven. None shall fall. However, that’s a perspective from God.

      We are not God, and the Bible generally explains things from our perspective. And, from our perspective, it’s not so simple. We may claim that we know Jesus, but the most important question is whether Jesus knows us.

      However, I also know Philippians 1:6, “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ”.

      So, my answer to ‘eternal security’ is yes… with a warning. Not all who think that they are ‘in Christ’, will be acknowledged by Christ.

      Thank you, Daisy.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  11. Dear John Little:
    Last night I prayed and asked for discernment over this weeks articles and with due respect, this is what came about. Let’s forget about pre/mid/post rapture trib talk and debate. Let’s be logical. In all your references to scripture it only mentions a sound of a trumpet, not first or 7th or last. Then suppose, since Satan can deceive us but not God/Jesus, Satan must cover all his bases because his time is short. Satan must, therefore chemtrail the planet, have satellites everywhere, own the MSM, have the Vatican own a LUCIFER IR telescope, since all these components are involved in deception. If there is a pretrib rapture, then Satan must explain it away with a holographic alien deception and present his own Antichrist (revealed or not). The world is deceived, but at the same time some people would question their faith and be drawn to Jesus and God. What an evangelical tool. This idea even fits in as mid-trib just before the Antichrist is identified. God has a plan, Satan can only use his minions to cover all the bases. God wins in the end. Those of us with faith will survive, dead or alive, no matter which way it goes. Also remember that Jesus had to use logic (physical evidence/scientific method) to show doubting Thomas that Jesus was crucified and had risen from the dead. For Thomas faith was not enough. God help and bless those doubters. Also from many scholars, they say the best way to unite the world is through a world war (Ukraine, but really Syria) and a global economic collapse whether aliens are involved or not. We are almost there, then false religious unity will follow. Also as stated before, the book of Revelation never mentions the Church (Christ’s true church) between Revelations chapter 4 to 17. Chapter 12 is about Israel and chapter 17 is about the false church. So as I stated before, some of our understanding of scripture would only be revealed when we are in the time the scripture refers to. This is just as each period in church history was a way to reveal more truth – Jewish traditon vs. Catholic/Orthodox, Martin Luther reformation vs. Church heresy. Even Scofield/Moody dispensationalism and Pre-trib rapture must be seen in that light. People must read the bible on their own to get Holy Spirit filled enlightenment/discernment and truth. Thank you, Norbert.

    • Hi Norbert,

      It seems like you are thinking ahead of me!

      I wasn’t able to get to your comment until AFTER I wrote the next article in the series, and here I find that you’re ahead of me.

      May God show us the way, so that we may serve Him well – and that we may escape what is coming, if possible.

      Thank you, Norbert!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  12. GRACE & PEACE!

    John Little, my brother, I prayed for you today. Your postings are always intriguing and interesting in dealing with issues that we don’t hear from the pulpit of the Synagogues Of Satan here in the states. My latest posts are not for posting in your web site so much as bringing clarity to other areas of God’s word that we can, in sharing these views, receive the understanding that only the Holy spirit brings to those of diligent study. these postings are for you. Regardless if you agree with them or I agree with all the other postings, I find it absolutely wonderful that you will step out and address the issues which help us learn.

    Your comments on this specific topic are few in numbers, but you look at the ones who did respond. These guys, I mean that generically, give feedback that is as true to the heart and “The Word” as it gets. It matters little what topic you place before them, these people are receiving and delivering, much as the Holy spirit would have us interact. “These are wonderful times we live in!” Most hear it and say, “HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?” then you become inundated with negative rhetoric and vicious and vile reactions. But, when you truly grasp the brevity of the moment, IS IT NOT THE TIME THE PROPHETS LIVED FOR? Wow! We are going to see ‘THE KING OF GLORY”!!! We are going to see the “KING OF KINGS” we are going to see “THE LAMB”!!! “THE LORD OF LORDS”! I see it as a time of change no man has ever seen before, nor will ever see again! When the moment comes, and it will, that we all get to speak to the GLORY in a fleeting moment of the flesh dying, we are home! Forever home again! WOW! I sure get excited about the next dimension! When the pain of death strikes and quickly subsides, you are ushered into a place of such beauty that no man has seen. I’ve seen parts of it! I’ve seen THE GLORY from a distance! I can tell you! Colors we’ve never known! Images we’ve never seen! The most wonderful feeling one can imagine! All I could do is LAUGH, AND LAUGH, AND LAUGH AND LAUGH! Thanks for sharing and creating the urging of the HOLY SPIRIT to look into DEEPER WATER! So few will actually go there.


    westtexaswatchman (wisdom is the principle thing we seek)
    PSALM 91/ LUKE 21:36

  13. I always enjoy the Omega shock articles. John L. is always right on point. The Pre-Trib “taking away”…(the word RAPTURE is not in the bible) is a self-absorbed, lying tale that has been told by an unrepentant church for almost 100 years. Shame on Darby for purporting this lie back in the late 1800s. The Pre-Trib taking away is unbiblical. Read your bible…it’s there all laid out. God says to use the former things he speaks of as an example. If the Hebrew children suffered through the plagues in Egypt (yet were protected) then what makes Christians so much better than them? Think about it. Noah wasn’t zapped off the earth before the flood…he was protected THROUGH it. The arrogance of the 20th and 21st century church is truly amazing. In the book of Revelation it says…”those that refused the mark of the beast and were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus”…How much plainer is it than that?

  14. And furthermore, now that it comes to mind. It states specifically in the new testament that God will first send his Angels to gather up the tares and weeds FIRST and throw them into the fire. Then, he will gather up the good of the harvest for everlasting life. Guess what? Those who are NOT followers of Jesus get “taken away” FIRST. That’s right. So whilst all the believers of Jesus are on earth DURING the great tribulation, the followers of satan will be taken off the earth FIRST. Then, true believers will be gathered into the clouds. So imagine all the Christians who will be confused when the children who love satan get taken away first. They will really be confused if they think they are getting out of here ahead of them.

    • Hi MeAndMyArrow,

      Actually, the parable of the Tares is far more ominous. It indicates that there are those among us, who CLAIM to be Christian… who THINK of themselves as Christian… but will find that they will go into eternal punishment.

      As to timing… with the tares being harvested first… I will think about that some more. An interesting thought.

      Thank you, MeAndMyArrow!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  15. There are many more verses that need to be looked at regarding the Pre-Trib like:
    1 Thessalonians 4:17 – Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up (Raptured) together with them (the resurrected dead) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    Matthew 24:31 – And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, (announcing the gathering of Israel) and they shall gather together his elect (Israel) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Jews will be gathered from all over the world and brought to Israel).
    Revelation 3:10 – Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (The Church will be Raptured out before the Great Tribulation).
    1 Thessalonians 5:9 – For God hath not appointed us to wrath, (has not appointed Believers to go through the Great Tribulation but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (Again, pertains to the Rapture of the Church {1 Thess. 4:13-18})
    John 14:3 – And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; (Proclaims the first mention of the Rapture of the Church that where I am, [there] ye may be also. (Refers to Heaven, where the Saints of God will go at the Resurrection).
    Luke 21:36 – Watch ye therefore, and pray always, (watch events which transpire, and equate them in whatever capacity with the Word, asking the Lord to give discernment)that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, (It speaks of the Rapture of the Church;
    If the Church is here during the Tribulation, why is it not mentioned starting with the 4th Chapter of Revelation. Sorry, John, I don’t buy your explanation. Too much Scripture to deny the Pre-Trib.

    • Hi Elaine Coker,

      Unfortunately, those scriptures that are specific cannot be ignored. You can read what I wrote today, here:

      In that article, I have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory is wrong. There is no way that you can ignore what I have said there. None.

      Furthermore, I have also conclusively answered the objection about God’s wrath.

      Elaine, I’m sorry, but you are following a false teaching. And, the price for that will be a terrible death. Even worse, you will suffer condemnation when you stand before the Lord in the Day of Judgement.

      God commands us all to love the truth. It is not a suggestion.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • John, I am saved. I know who My Savior is and I am not going to Hell because I differ from you on when the Rapture happens. The only thing that will make me go to Hell is denying that Jesus shed His blood on the cross. I know there is a split between the Church on when the Rapture happens, so I guess we will all just have to wait for the answer on this. I still believe the Church is out of here before the Tribulation. I can’t believe that God would come back for a battered beat up Church. I want to think that He will come back for a “Glorified” Church. I am Praying for a World Wide Revival before He comes.

        • Hi Elaine Coker,

          I’m not saying that belief in the pre-trib rapture will send you to Hell. I was pretty clear that most of my friends are pre-trib, and I do not believe that they are going to Hell.

          However, when a clear doctrine from God is presented to you… and you reject it… you are in rebellion. And that is a very serious thing. It won’t send you to Hell, but there are serious consequences for that – especially, if you are engaged in spreading this doctrine. (That would be extremely serious.)

          Since you have not offered sufficient evidence to prove your point, you are acknowledging that you do not have scriptural proof to back up your claim. This is de facto rebellion.

          I pray that you reconsider your position. Ask God for guidance. Ask Him from the heart.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

    • Elaine, the verses you reference only fit a pre-tribulation rapture when you first assume there is a pre-tribulation rapture.

      1 Thessalonians 4:17 describes Jesus coming in the clouds just as the angels said he would in Acts 1:10-11. They didn’t say he would come secretly first to raise and gather His followers.

      Matthew 24:31 you say only applies to the Jews, but in the parallel passage in Mark 13, Jesus says he is talking to all.

      Revelation 3:10 is part of the instructions to that first century church and part of a letter to THE church of all times. Only a doctrine of man can make it mean something about the tribulation. If the 7 churches represent different church ages, and the Philadelphia church represents the raptured church and then how can there be the church of Laodicea afterwards?

      1 Thessalonians 5:9 talks about wrath, but we are talking about tribulation, which only men have equated to wrath. Jesus said we would have tribulation in this world. Jesus defined the great tribulation as the last 3 ½ years, but did not call it His wrath.

      John 14:3 indicates Jesus is coming for us so we can be with Him, but he is coming to set up His kingdom on earth. Other passages indicate the resurrection and rapture happen at the same time and Jesus is only coming once. Another interpretation based on presuming a pre-tribulation rapture.

      Luke 21:36 is a parallel passage to Matthew 24 and Mark 13, so is this just for Jews or for all the church? Escaping being the rapture is another interpretation based on the assumption of a pre-tribulation rapture.

      The Bible doesn’t tell us anything about a pre-tribulation rapture. It can only be found in the teachings of men.

  16. I like keeping up with your web-site.

    I have never been to a church, but, I have heard the several stances on the rapture.
    I read and study the bible the best I can, in reading 2nd Thessalonians the 1st chapter ( in my opinion) it gives the exact timing of the rapture and judgment .

    Obviously I didn’t give my interpretation of the timing of the events. I’m very interested in your interpretation of that chapter or anyone else’s.

    I’m glad you don’t require comments to be over 300 words.

    • Hi Jack Wills,

      Thank you for that comment. I hope that I continue to spark your interest.

      I hope that you can find a church to go to. God intended us to be a part of a body of believers. However, I also know that there are situations that can make this impossible.

      Thank you, Jack. May the Lord hold you close.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  17. Hi John,
    I agree with you on the time of the rapture but some people do not realize that the trib is just the first part of what is to come. After the trib is the rapture as it states in Rev.14 v 14 – 16 then the wrath is reaped in v 17 – 19. The trib is a time of trial and testing for the whole world. The Jews were tested and still are so why would we get a free pass? How strong is your faith if the antichrist said he will kill your child unless you worship him? As for Matt 24 Christ was telling his disciples who yes were Jews but that’s where it ends . Wake up people it was the disciples that started the churches so how can some people say what Christ told them was only for the Jews?
    God Bless You and Yours John

  18. Akua John,

    You are truly blessed and I thank you for caring about our future.
    I have been shown such Love when I dreamed in detail and color that I married Jesus Christ in a full ceremony. I will never forget that encounter.d
    Which brings me to your site for the first time tonight.

    I have been shown into the future about the flooding that will cover the land. Told that we would be evacuated to safety.

    Please if I can help in any way do not hesitate.

    Love & Light
    Diane Jones from Australia.


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